The Nineteenth Byte

hyper-neutrino

05:05

So, I think adding/removing someone as RO updates their "last seen" time. Interesting. That's gotta by status-bydesign by SE but I wonder why

Redwolf Programs

05:26

I have absolutely no idea why this isn't working

I'm doing exactly what OSP does but it's just not logging me in

hyper-neutrino

are you getting errors or smth

Redwolf Programs

No, it just sends me to the CGCC page, but the one for non-logged in users

and it doesn't set any of the account cookies

hyper-neutrino

huh... strange

Wasif

Hello! Does answers to old question automatically get pushed to low quality queue?

Redwolf Programs

No, only if they don't have an explanation

hyper-neutrino

05:42

i'm not sure of the exact specs of LQ detection but short answers are definitely a condition

which is ironic, given that the tour page requires a short question with two short answers, but whatever...

Redwolf Programs

I have no idea why this doesn't work and I have no idea why I don't have any idea. I'll look at it again tomorrow but it might just be some weird thing I can't control, in which case someone else will have to make the bot.

hyper-neutrino

I set up a forwarding bot between discord and SE chat a week or two ago so I should be able to figure out how to do this

python module

Wasif

What dosent work

hyper-neutrino

if anything, i can probably set up something on my server and give you a token so you can post requests to my server to send messages

Redwolf Programs

I'll try again tomorrow, but I might just have to switch to python and use the library OSP uses

hyper-neutrino

05:46

i would recommend that

it's a pretty convenient module and it does work, unlike the many others i found from digging around until i just asked caird lol

Redwolf Programs

In theory I've just ported over the exact same code that module uses, it just isn't doing the same thing

It works when I do it from the browser!

I'm running the exact same code

Maybe it doesn't like the user agent?

Nope, that's not it

Lyxal

06:01

Then it must be some other setting

Redwolf Programs

Maybe I need some sort of delay?

Lyxal

Perhaps

Redwolf Programs

Nope, tried 2.5s and nothing

Lyxal

Wait what are you trying to do again?

Redwolf Programs

Make a chat bot

Lyxal

06:04

Doesn't that require an account?

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, I'm just using mine for now

Lyxal

Hmmm

Maybe it's seeing you in two different places and getting confused?

Redwolf Programs

No, because it works when I did it in an incognito browser window

Lyxal

Clear cookies and cache then?

Redwolf Programs

There isn't any to clear

hyper-neutrino

06:06

there should be nothing wrong with an account being signed in in browser and by a bot. i've done it successfully

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms then maybe the problem is that you need to go and sleep

It's 1am

Redwolf Programs

I guess so

I'll try it again tomorrow

Lyxal

Think about it when you wake up

@RedwolfPrograms it already is tomorrow for you

Redwolf Programs

Wait a second

The exact same code works on chrome

But it shows it's returning HTTP 418

That's the "I'm a teapot" status code

hyper-neutrino

???

Redwolf Programs

06:14

> <title>Suspicious request - Code Golf Stack Exchange</title>

That might explain it

That URL must be somehow incorrect then?

hyper-neutrino

just saying, but if you're getting suspicious request warnings

you should probably not be trying this on your account in case you get auto-banned or smth. don't know if that would happen but it might be annoying for you to get that fixed :p

granted, using alts to bypass system restrictions is also disallowed, but making chat bots is perfectly allowed afaik

Redwolf Programs

It's probably because I was using chrome and already had other cookies from other attempts

Anyway I'm up way too late o/

Neil

07:24

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah, well you need to move to Milton Keynes or Stevenage where most of the main roads are 40 mph. actually we used to have a 70 mph road 22 years ago, but it got reduced to 40 shortly before I moved into the area

hyper-neutrino

70 to 40? wow, that's a pretty massive shift, lol

Neil

@hyper-neutrino traffic lights of course. should all be replaced with roundabouts. worst ever was some traffic lights on a roundabout.

hyper-neutrino

Oh, you favor roundabouts over traffic lights? Interesting - I rather dislike roundabouts though it's less that I'm afraid of them and more just that I prefer traffic lights now that I'm a bit more experienced

Neil

@hyper-neutrino I'm not sure how far the 70 mph portion stretched, but it's possible it used to pass close to a school, which sounds like a bad move

hyper-neutrino

oh, I see. Yeah, 70mph near a school doesn't sound smart lol. (that's faster than the limit for a lot of highways here o.O)

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07:50

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Q: Do I need a win streak?

You have played \$N\$ matches in some game where each match can only result in one of the two outcomes: win or loss. Currently, you have \$W\$ wins. You want to have a win percentage of \$P\$ or more, playing as few matches as possible. Output the minimum win streak that you need. Assume the curr...

Lyxal

@NewMainPosts wow I actually FGITW'd it

hyper-neutrino

nice

hyper-neutrino

08:04

ok finally posted my answer, lol. might've been able to fgitw that if i weren't busy just as it was posted

probably would've spent too long writing the explanation and gotten beaten by lyxal still tho lol

Wasif

err i should have done the simple equation to get value of x :-(

A username

09:04

I'm back! And it appears Lyxal has become obsessed with Among Us.

Wasif

@Ausername welcome back

Lyxal

@Ausername yes I have

A username

@Lyxal Oh no... At least maybe you'll stop rickrolling.

Lyxal

09:20

I haven't rickrolled for a while though

A username

Please don't start

Razetime

10:08

you have already made the mistake of reminding them

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms I typically waited ~10 minutes, that usually works

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10:26

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Q: Can we assume computer be fast enough?

Consider such a question Take a program P and an integer n, check whether P halts. You may assume that if P halts then P halts in n steps. and solution 1 (P,n)=>!run(P,timeout=n us).timeout solution 2 P=>!run(P,timeout=9 us).timeout where S1 assumes n steps will finish in n us and S2 assume i...

discussion code-golf

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10:41

2

Q: Implement Minceraft

Introduction The game Minecraft has a 1 in 10000 chance of showing "Minceraft" instead of "Minecraft" on the title screen. Your challenge Your challenge is to code a function or program that takes no input and, 1 out of 10000 times, returns "Minceraft" and the rest of the time returns "Minecraft"...

code-golf random

A username

11:28

1 more upvote to 2021 rep.

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Get outgolfed lol :P

A username

12:12

Now I just need to earn 1 rep a year to keep up.

A username

12:25

@Wasif As I said before, an empty program in Userscript outputs fizzbuzz.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Solve the halting problem for /// substitution code-golf halting-problem /// is an esoteric programming language with simple two operations. One is to output its source to remove from it. The other is to substitute itself. This time I am assuming the case when the program is /pattern/replacement/...

l4m2

12:46

Do golf-cpu support limited memory?

caird coinheringaahing

@NewSandboxedPosts It's been a while since we've had a "Solve the halting problem for this TC language" challenge :P

l4m2

If golf-cpu support was good I should have posted codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/223431 requiring run on it

pxeger

13:10

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'd downvoted it eariler but then retracted it because I think the point might be that there's only one substitution (although it wasn't very clear), in which case it might be possible

caird coinheringaahing

Doesn't it always halt then? If it only performs one step, then what would make it not halt?

pxeger

/x/xx/xx -> xxx -> xxxx ...?

I don't fully understand how /// works

Any feed back?

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm getting there, currently failing on denominators of the form 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, ...

i.e. 1/3 of your test cases

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger /// only performs one substitution at a time, then either halts if no change, or goes again with the new text interpreted as a /// program. "One step" suggests that it then doesn't go again, and "one substitution" doesn't make sense, as that's how it currently works

pxeger

ah ok

caird coinheringaahing

13:20

@Neil That's a ~~surprisingly~~ surprising list. I would've thought that an approach would be more likely to fail on 1,2,4,5,6,8 denominators

Neil

oh yeah, it fails on 5 too

but it also fails on 3 or 9 for some reason

(different failure mode)

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing hmm yes, surprisingly list

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger For the second, I'd suggest adding a worked example, it's kinda difficult to get your head around without an example

@pxeger :P

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh yeah, I just noticed I haven't added test cases yet either

caird coinheringaahing

@Neil So it only works for 7?

Neil

13:23

@cairdcoinheringaahing seems to work fine for 7 and any odd number greater than 9

caird coinheringaahing

@Neil I look forward to reading the explanation to try and figure out why those numbers specifically :)

Neil

oh, it goes wrong when it needs more digits after the ' than before it

caird coinheringaahing

Ah, that makes more sense :P

RE60K

13:53

I'm trying to reduce this program, any tips?
```
print . sum $ accumArray
max
1
(2, lim)
[ (p * q, max (p * (x + k * q)) (q * (y + k' * p)))
| p <- [2 .. floor . sqrt $ fromIntegral lim]
, q <- [p + 1 .. lim `div` p]
, let (gcd, x, y) = extGCD p q
, gcd == 1
, let k = 1 + div (-x) q
, let k' = 1 + div (-y) p
]
```

rak1507

what's the problem

and 'reduce' in what sense, code golf?

RE60K

reduce the code size

rak1507

what does it do

RE60K

calculates the sum of maximum idempotent element from each of the rings Z/nZ for 2<=n<lim

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing next "fail": can I output .1'1 for -1/900?

rak1507

13:59

@RE60K would be shorter to bruteforce

RE60K

@rak1507 something like print $ sum [last [y|y<-[1..x-1],mod(y*y)x==y],x<-[2..lim]]

caird coinheringaahing

@Neil Yeah, I think that's acceptable, as the normalised form is the same length

rak1507

@RE60K yea can last be max?

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing found the main problem with 2, I was subtracting 1 in the wrong place, only made a difference when I was subtracting 1 from itself

RE60K

@rak1507 it iterates in increasing order, so it would be max by this property

rak1507

14:03

yes

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing I assume 0'2 isn't acceptable

caird coinheringaahing

@Neil No, the output should be '2

Redwolf Programs

14:20

I don't get it. I'm sending the exact same data, with the exact same headers. Why does it work in Python, but not in Node?!?!?!?!

pxeger

run a proxy in between to see what's different between them

Redwolf Programs

I've done that. There is literally zero difference in the headers as far as I can tell.

(not a proxy, just sent it to a different server I controlled and looked at the headers)

caird coinheringaahing

^[+*DSA\d]*$ matches strings that only contain +*DSA0123456789 characters, right?

pxeger

what about the body then

Redwolf Programs

Also identical

pxeger

14:26

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes, and the empty string, and unicode equivalent characters to 0-9 depending on the regex engine

Razetime

CMQ: What was the first golfing language?

caird coinheringaahing

Probably Golfscript

pxeger

@Razetime GolfScript?

Razetime

yeah i was wondering if there was something older

rak1507

APL

caird coinheringaahing

14:28

angry Adám noises

3

Razetime

APL is not a golfing language

rak1507

I know, I'm just kidding (shut up lyxal)

Razetime

Can't be anything on this

notion.so/Golflang-list-aca6dbed49e64b519e211223802c2a56

But I want to document older ones if there are any that I don't know

caird coinheringaahing

People would say that Perl was one of the first languages to be used for golfing, but it isn't exactly a golfing lang

Redwolf Programs

Same HTTP version. Same body. Same headers. I don't get it.

I feel like my script is just cursed

There's absolutely no reason I can possibly think of that would make it reliably work from python, but reliably not work from Node

caird coinheringaahing

14:45

Python is better than JS?

pxeger

controversial statement

Redwolf Programs

Stack Exchange sure seems to think so

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Q: May the wind be always at your back

You are Odysseus, and are finally free from Calypso (who has kept you captive for many years) after you drugged her while she was sleeping1. You wish to return to your homeland of Ithaca, but the ship you've stolen is a bit damaged and cannot steer. However, you have also stolen a map which conta...

code-golf

Redwolf Programs

Python

JS

I'm even faking Python's User-Agent

pxeger

Host might have to be the first header for some servers?

Redwolf Programs

14:50

I'd show y'all that the POST body is exactly the same if that weren't the world's second most efficient way to leak all my credentials :p

@pxeger I'll try that

Actually the library I'm using doesn't even let you change that. I guess I'll have to use the much lower level http library :/

That will probably fix it, honestly

user

Lol this challenge by Razetime is the exact CMC I asked yesterday

And Adám's already outgolfed me

Redwolf Programs

15:13

Frick

It returns a 302

So the library was redirecting before I saw that

So the set-cookie didn't get seen by my cookie handling code

Never have I been so happy to feel this stupid

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Interpret Gelatin Gelatin is a worse version of Jelly. It is a tacit programming language with 7 commands that always takes a single positive integer argument. You are to take in a Gelatin program and it's argument and output the result. Gelatin Gelatin programs will always match the following re...

caird coinheringaahing

15:31

@NewSandboxedPosts Try it online!

A program that randomly generates valid Gelatin code :P

It's gloriously unreadable :P

Redwolf Programs

:o

It works

I was about to get really annoyed because it was still broken then I realized I misspelled Cookie in the HTTP headers XD

Ugh there's a bug in the shell Chrome OS's Linux terminal uses and it's super annoying

It makes it so that no new text ever gets printed

So you can do things but the screen's basically frozen

pxeger

what shell is that? and what bug?

Redwolf Programs

I'm not sure if it's the shell or the terminal itself (although I'm pretty sure it's the latter)

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing so lyxal was right. :c

i just don't know how to use nfind right ;-;

Wasif

15:56

@Ausername i know

I was just posting a pseudocode on general

I am developing Flask port of UserScript
I have stopped it for a few days, and will start again latter
You may come to this [room](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/123103/userscript)

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing phew, ended up having to special-case 2 after all that, since the calculation for digits before the quote just doesn't understand it if there aren't any

Wasif

@NewMainPosts After seeing the title of the question alone, I laughed and fall down from the chair

I misunderstood the title

And made an awkward translation

user

@Wasif Was it flatulence-related?

Wasif

@user yeah

user

:P

caird coinheringaahing

16:14

@Neil Very nice!

> Question eligible for bounty in 7 hours

Remind me in 7 hours :)

Wasif

is there any way to award bounty to an user who has only asked questions?

caird coinheringaahing

No

user

@Wasif Why would you award it?

Did they have a particularly good challenge?

Wasif

no i won't award it

I was just asking

hyper-neutrino

rewarding good questions is unfortunately more of a CGCC/Puzzling thing and isn't too necessary of a feature on other sites, especially given the point in bounties being to improve answers in terms of being canonical and accurate anyway

user

16:19

@Wasif Oh ok

hyper-neutrino

for Best Of, challenge writers just pick an answer and the awarder just puts the challenge in the custom message

if you actually have 0 answers just like, idk, pick some obscure language and answer hello world or smth lol

user

readies loudspeaker to announce favorite language and suggest people use it

Razetime

16:39

scala is cool and all that but I use no OOP lang other than ruby

caird coinheringaahing

"Imagine using a language with OOP" - Jelly golfers

Razetime

but isn't every golfang not oop

John Dvorak

pyth?

caird coinheringaahing

I think Pyth does actually have a builtin for classes, which is wild

Razetime

idk if you can create objects in any golflang

wow what

pyth has image manip and now this?!

the docs do zero justice to the language

caird coinheringaahing

16:42

Emphasis on I think

I've never actually used Pyth, I'm just going off what I can remember seeing

Razetime

mm don't see anything here or here

still got the image builtins tho

caird coinheringaahing

It has the ability to embed arbitrary Python code in it with $...$ , and because it's transpiled, it literally embeds it, so at the very least there's that

Razetime

I wouldn't go so far as to call it object oriented

caird coinheringaahing

That ain't OO. Putting code in a class doesn't make it OO any more than putting a rock in the microwave makes it food. — imallett Oct 11 '15 at 5:18

Razetime

lol

golfscript might be

Where can i find golfscript veterans

caird coinheringaahing

16:52

Peter Taylor, Howard, Dennis, etc. have all left :/

John Dvorak

I'm not, but I'm willing to hear you out

Razetime

I think Erik The Outgolfer might have some idea

I shall have to stalk them on discord

Wasif

You will nominate GolfScript as LotM?

It will never win

IMAO

Razetime

Golfscript has too many answers to be LoTM

caird coinheringaahing

TBH it's probably dead enough to be an LotM

Razetime

16:55

Aaron Miller uses it ;)

golfscript has a surprising number of recent answers for a dead language

Wasif

for just a few answers i think

like now I have completely forgotten Factor

Razetime

2014MELO03 was posting in golfscript for about a month i guess

then disappeared

caird coinheringaahing

Any feelback?

Razetime

so now there's one active golfscript golfer

caird coinheringaahing

I've tried to use golfscript, but the overloading and the {...} blocks make me dislike it

CJam's kinda better in that at least it feels golfy

Razetime

16:59

Stax :)

Wasif

How to make this arrogant deadfish~ program work to print 1-100 with tab seperator? {{o{{d}}{i}dc{d}i}}

@Razetime how many esolangs you know?

Razetime

uh what

@Wasif I really don't count them

but i use anything that looks fun

@Wasif I have used most of the langs mentioned here

Wasif

hehe the list is sooo useful

caird coinheringaahing

@Razetime What's with the ??? For Deorst?

Razetime

it means I don't know how it works

caird coinheringaahing

17:10

Actually, it does have a major bug I've been meaning to fix

Razetime

it's stack based right?

i remember reading that in an answer

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, it's stack based

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17:36

0

Q: Write a fast-growing assembly function

Synopsis Your goal is to implement the (asymptotically) fastest growing function within bounded code on a fictional CPU utilizing a quite limited, yet (probably) turing-complete instruction set. Environment The CPU utilizes unbounded RAM as well as two registers, the accumulator A and the program...

restricted-source atomic-code-golf busy-beaver

hyper-neutrino

17:47

You know, it would be nice if I could just edit the tour page question to some random question and two answers without having to pick one that actually exists on the site

(and if the restrictions were actually well-documented)

caird coinheringaahing

18:35

It's interesting to see the time difference between this and this (both generate the range from -1m to +1m, the second then randomly chooses one)

hyper-neutrino

Is printing that much slowing it down? or does Jelly just have really smart optimizations with lazily computing lists or w/e

caird coinheringaahing

I think it has to be printing, as there's no apparent optimization in the Jelly source code

hyper-neutrino

ȷ6ŒRṛ0 also runs pretty fast so I think output is just slow. granted, python I/O is rather inefficient AFAICT

at least if you don't optimize it

user

@hyper-neutrino You could post your own challenge that would comply with the criteria and then post a really good answer to it that's also very short :P

Actually, that might not be a terrible idea if it turns out we can't find a suitable question or edit one to make it work

hyper-neutrino

18:53

I mean, that's definitely possible. The thing is that the Fibonacci challenge is perfectly fine in its current state

but the tour page isn't showing its current state

and idk when caching will stop being stupid

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Implement Minecraft's Rails code-golf Background Information Inspired by this answer on Arqade SE Minecraft has rails which allow you to move minecarts around on them for transporting players, entities, and items. There are many types of rails, but today we're only interested in regular rails, wh...

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Gelatin integer metagolf Gelatin is a worse version of Jelly. It is a tacit programming language with 7 commands that always takes a single positive integer argument. You are to take in a Gelatin program and it's argument and output the result. Gelatin Gelatin programs will always match the follo...

user

You'll have to keep reloading to find out when it does stop being stupid :P

@NewSandboxedPosts Really, NSP? I try replying to someone and that's when you choose to post two big oneboxed messages.

It's a corner case alright, but this one ain't Scala's. I can just see the JVM right now at some bar, having been accused of not using protection and engaging in activities that aren't object-oriented: "But she (Scala) was just asking for it! She may have said no, but I know she meant yes. She's just a tease and it's her fault for sitting on my lap in the first place..." — Kevin Wright Mar 1 '11 at 13:47

I don't think anyone would accuse the JVM of not being object-oriented.

caird coinheringaahing

19:47

@NewSandboxedPosts 15 bytes in Jelly :P

TBH I doubt any non-tacit languages are going to be particularly short in this, and even J/APL/k might be pretty long, handling fixed arity commands

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing did you use ~ in gelatin just to avoid needing to deal with typing `` ` ``?

i'm not even going to try to fix that

caird coinheringaahing

Yes

hyper-neutrino

:P

caird coinheringaahing

Fricking markdown is awful :P

Pretty sure APL/J use a similar symbol as well, which is why I chose ~ over anything else

hyper-neutrino

yeah, APL's selfie is pretty similar to that

⍨

caird coinheringaahing

20:04

Is it unreasonable to say "you may not hard-code a lookup table to get the output"?

John Dvorak

yes

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20:26

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Q: Wolstenholme numbers

The generalised harmonic number of order \$m\$ of \$n\$ is $$H_{n,m} = \sum^n_{k=1} \frac 1 {k^m}$$ In this challenge, we'll be considering the generalised harmonic numbers of order \$2\$: $$H_{n,2} = \sum^n_{k=1} \frac 1 {k^2}$$ This sequence begins \$1, \frac 5 4, \frac {49} {36}, \frac {205} {...

code-golf sequence number-theory rational-numbers

hyper-neutrino

@NewMainPosts thanks, i needed something to post to cap :P

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Me too :P

hyper-neutrino

wait, i have 30k now. didn't notice til just now

nice :D

caird coinheringaahing

Congrats :D

hyper-neutrino

how do you have so much more monthly rep than everyone else xD

you have +4248 and second is wasif with +2882

caird coinheringaahing

20:33

I post a lot

People upvote it a lot

hyper-neutrino

then again i kinda went inactive for a while until lately

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Check the yearly ranking :P I've got 11.8k, Arnauld's on 10.9k then Razetime on 7.3k :P

hyper-neutrino

:o lol

i still have a while more to go before i can join the other mods on the front page :'c

caird coinheringaahing

As it stands, you'll have to knock me off it to get there :P

hyper-neutrino

well you'll certainly beat fatalize before i can get that high :P

your rep gain is at least even with mine on avg and usually more :P

caird coinheringaahing

20:39

Check out our respective rep graphs :P

hyper-neutrino

lol yeah as you can see my activity is not particularly consistent :P

(activity being posting activity, not like checking on mod flags or lurking in chat)

caird coinheringaahing

Same here tbh :P

Massive long flat bit in the middle :P

hyper-neutrino

based on the current trend if we extrapolate your rep should continue following an exponential curve and you will begin gaining 300 rep/day and transcend the rep cap limitation :P

caird coinheringaahing

I support this :P

I can get behind this form of "flattening the curve" :P

caird coinheringaahing

21:42

@hyper-neutrino I've repcapped 11 days this month, and got a +400 bounty, that's 2600 rep already, without considering the fact that I've hit at least +100 every day except for 3 this month

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hyper-neutrino

oh, i see. nice :P

this month i've had 5 days with +0 rep

only capped 7 days (including +210 one day without any bounty or anything????)

user

Any feedback?

caird coinheringaahing

21:58

@user I like that my day-based answer-chaining variant has caught on :P I don't personally think the answers will be particularly interesting, but that's not really a problem per se. The scoring criteria doesn't work with [answer-chaining]

I suppose you could do "score = average length of your code", to handle multiple answers, or limit people to just one answer each

user

What scoring criterion would you suggest?

@cairdcoinheringaahing Average length might be better - I don't want to limit people to one answer

caird coinheringaahing

If you want to encourage short code and a long chain, I think average length is probably the best, most simple strategy

user

Also, are the examples all right? Is the formatting okay and are they showing different edge cases?

Average length might punish people who answer later, though

But I don't see an easy way to weight the score for earlier answers either, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

caird coinheringaahing

22:19

@user [code-challenge] is a better tag than [code-golf] for an average based score

user

Thanks, edited that in

hyper-neutrino

AFAIK code-golf should only be used where the scoring criterion is purely "shortest code wins"

caird coinheringaahing

I think that's generally the accepted consensus

Lyxal

@NewMainPosts I keep reading that as wholesome numbers

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal That's better than my reading: Wolfstein numbers :/

Any feedback?

Lyxal

22:34

Trivial edits are the best edits

caird coinheringaahing

22:45

WindowsPhone.SE is a graduated site (only the first stage, still has beta-level privileges). It has had 4 questions posted this year. The 4 most recent questions on it's meta go back to Jan 1st 2020 :(

Lyxal

I found an apple inside the windows!

Also I've completely forgotten about the windows phones. That's taking me back a while

Because my first phone was a Nokia Lumia 520 (or some number like that)

user

23:06

Wait I thought Windows Phone was discontinued

@cairdcoinheringaahing Can a site by ungraduated/deleted?

Why does this question even exist?

caird coinheringaahing

@user Maybe, probably not

I'd speculate Windows Phone to face closure eventually, despite graduation. — gerrit Nov 1 '19 at 15:07

It's been inactive for a long time, it would seem

I just realised, the tag wiki mangling has made it so that all my tag wiki excerpts start with "For questions about", because everything else is awkwardly worded :/

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing here is your ~7 hour reminder

user

I feel it's okay to turn "This tag is for ..." into "For ...", and other common things, just not the super-general regex they have right now

caird coinheringaahing

> Question eligible for bounty in 47 minutes

I might have to award it in the morning, it's past midnight here

hyper-neutrino

23:46

I believe a site can be closed regardless of if it's beta or graduated

not sure if that entirely deletes it or just like archives / locks it

also what prompted you to look at windowsphone.SE lol? i literally just noticed it and its total deadness yesterday...

windows phone has been discontinued since 2017 and support has been discontinued since 2019, AFAIK

so the SE is obv really dead

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Journeyman Greek's meta post :P

hyper-neutrino

no user on it has gotten any reputation in the last quarter...

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh, I see :P i saw it from something about that one time 29 beta sites were graduated due to being too old even if not beeing the thresholds

not sure how I got to that page

caird coinheringaahing

The most rep someone's got since Jan 1st was 40 rep

hyper-neutrino

but it might've been from following links from TL around

their mods have sub-10k rep lmao

it's probably the most dead SE, right? or is there something somehow even more inactive than something for a product that no longer exists anymore

caird coinheringaahing

It makes you kinda sad. I know how I'd feel if this site died out and got shut down :(

@hyper-neutrino It seems to be the site that's cited whenever people discuss inactive sites

hyper-neutrino

23:50

oof :/ that feels bad

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah :/ looking at the site just made me feel sad cuz i've worried about this site dying off before especially after The Incident [TM]

of course i still miss the old community but fortunately it seems that we have a reasonably healthy new community now and an okay amoune of activity

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Sorting by questions per day, Community Building, Iota and Esperanto are all worse

We have ~3.9 questions a day

hyper-neutrino

ah i see. (qpd isn't the best measurement apparently, at least someone from retro said it wasn't a good metric for their site)

yeah our QPD is... quite low

granted, a challenge stays active and accumulates solutions for quite a while

unliek Q&A sites where after they get an answer there's often no need for it to be touched again

caird coinheringaahing

We do rank very highly on total answers

hyper-neutrino

ouch, the front page activity for community building SE tho. an entire year's worth of activity can be displayed on one page...

windowsphone.SE's activity is entirely just Community user still ceaselessly bumping old posts up hoping someone's there to notice them :c

Bubbler

When I saw the name Iota I thought "is there a SE site for a single APL function?!"

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caird coinheringaahing

23:56

12k questions with 167k answers. Comparable sites on answers are Ask Different (114k Qs), Software Engineering (59k Qs), SO in Spanish (150k Qs) and Math Overflow (124k Qs)

@Bubbler That's how they've gotten 176 network sites :P

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