The Nineteenth Byte

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This is different from this question because this question is strictly for non-golfing languages. In a language where a compiler exists, create a compiler for a Turing-complete language (or create said language and a compiler for it.) However, this language can't be a golfing language (e.g. Jelly...

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12:58 AM

@NewMainPosts :| disallowing golflangs

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1:18 AM

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Q: Escape from the tarpit (Cops)

This is a cops-and-robbers challenge based around defining languages and proving they are Turing complete. This is the cops' thread. The robbers' thread is here. Cops As a cop, you will prepare two things: A formal specification of a programming language, or other computational system. (Com...

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Q: Escape from the tarpit (Robbers)

This is a cops-and-robbers challenge based around defining languages and proving they are Turing complete. This is the robbers' thread. The cops' thread is here. Robbers The cops will post definitions of Turing-complete languages. Your task is to crack them by proving that they are indeed Turi...

Pavel

5:28 AM

in PPCG v2, 8 hours ago, by Mego

Alright we really need a name now. First suggestion that doesn't suck wins.

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Q: Generate Men of Culture

This challenge is inspired by the meme Men of Culture. The meme involves blanking out parts of the original caption, "Ah, I see you're a Man of Culture as well", to make it appear as if the character is saying something else. Your challenge is to write a program that, given an input, show how t...

code-golf string

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6:33 AM

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Q: Render a monospaced bitmap font from image

Input is in this format: image fontwidth fontheight rowwidth xoffset yoffset xgap ygap non-existent charstart thetextitself thetextitself: The text that should be rendered from the image. image: The image filename. Implementation may vary; it could be either the filename from your computer, a...

code-golf image-processing unicode hexadecimal

flawr

8:06 AM

@orlp yeah, 5 != 120

user202729

9:09 AM

J: How can I implement this?

I hate auto capitalization of I and I have no idea why it exists at all

std::vector<int>a(10);
for(int j=0;j<7;++j)a[j+3]+=a[j];

@Adám Why don't smart double quotes have a shortcut? (language bar/Jelly)

Cows quack

@user202729 a+_10{._3}.a?

what is the expected output for a=.i.10 ?

user202729

@Cowsquack tio.run/…

Does SE chat have auto capitalization of i?

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9:25 AM

@user202729 no... why would have auto anything

@user202729 because "I" is always supposed to be capitalized...

user202729

I don't know, but I can't type lowercase I in SE chat, but I can on TIO.

@ASCII-only Even in code. No.

ASCII-only

@user202729 of course not...

@user202729 because TIO specifically disables autocorrect...

@user202729 ???

user202729

@ASCII-only Interesting. Guess that's Edge's behavior.

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@Mego If there are problems with close-reopen votes, I think it is signal of unclear site policies, not a too low privilege level. If one gets 100 average reputation per day, it takes a month to get the required 3000 reputation for casting close and reopen votes (at SO) and that includes very active participation. If learning site policies takes that long, they are just too complicated and unclear. — fergusq 3 hours ago

1 Higher rep users ~~sometimes~~ get in disagreement as well. 2 I feel that most of the rules are nowhere documented, and is very hard to document.

So...

Experiment: We try to write very clear rules regarding when to vote to close/reopen. If that does not succeed then raise the privilege levels.

Neil

@flawr surely you mean 5!=120

user202729

Jelly: Is there a way to return a truthy/falsy value according to whether a char is equal to a space, with a single link, in less than 3 bytes?

Soaku

9:41 AM

You mean, check if value == space?

Adám

10:41 AM

@user202729 I think they were not on the list when I built from it last time.

user202729

11:31 AM

2 hours ago, by user202729

J: How can I implement this?

2 hours ago, by user202729

std::vector<int>a(10);
for(int j=0;j<7;++j)a[j+3]+=a[j];

Adám

@user202729 I don't know about J, but I can write it in APL if I can understand that to me unknown language.

user202729

@Adám ... you don't know C++?

Adám

@user202729 So it makes a into a length-10 all-zero vector, and then populates it.

@user202729 No, I don't.

user202729

a = [0] * 10
for j in range(7): a[j+3] += a[j]

Adám

@user202729 But if a starts off being all-zero, how can adding elements to each other ever give anything but zeros?

user202729

11:37 AM

Ok then...

a = [0] * 10
for j in range(10): a[j] = int(input())
for j in range(7): a[j+3] += a[j]

Adám

@user202729 Ah, ok, a starts out populated. {a[⍵+3]+←a[⍵]}⍳7 then.

dzaima

@Adám don't you need ¨ before ⍳?

Adám

@dzaima Yes, you do, typo. Otherwise all the assignments will be done simultaneously instead of sequentially.

@user202729 Sorry, as dzaima said: {a[⍵+3]+←a[⍵]}¨⍳7

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Q: Generate lowest degree polynomial from sequence

Introduction A sequence of numbers is passed in as the input. The program has to generate the lowest degree polynomial possible. This was my first programming project in college and it would be interesting to see how much smaller the solution could have been. Challenge The input is a list of i...

code-golf math integer polynomials equation

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@Adám O_o simultaneously

user202729

12:05 PM

@ASCII-only Technically not "simultaneously" (unless on a parallel computer perhaps), it's more like a, b = b, a in Python.

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2 hours ago, by user202729

J: How can I implement this?

Please?

ASCII-only

@user202729 hasn't adam already answered

user202729

@ASCII-only That's for APL. I don't think there is a "sequential" adverb in J.

ASCII-only

oops nvm >_>

user202729

I keep using = for =:

Erik the Outgolfer

12:28 PM

@user202729 ¨ is just map

Cows quack

I believe it is equivalent to each in J

(3 :'a=:(+/a{~b,y)(b=.3+y)}a')each i.7[a=.i.10 should do something similar

user202729

12:50 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer J has "0 but...

What is the ←?

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@user202729 assignment

Erik the Outgolfer

like, ¨ maps with a single argument and vectorizes with two arguments (minor cells), but if they have different lengths it errors

user202729

... The each actually maps through each leaf?

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@Cowsquack :| this looks super verbose

Cows quack

Idk a shorter way to change a single element in an array in J :/

Erik the Outgolfer

12:54 PM

@user202729 when it comes to ranks, yes

Adám

1:10 PM

@Cowsquack I think you can use }. If I understand right, it is like APL's @.

user202729

Re code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/… : I don't understand. Why are parentheses important?

(BTW how to get permalink to a section?)

Erik the Outgolfer

...you just did?

user202729

@EriktheOutgolfer Inspect element and copy item id? ...

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah MediaWiki doesn't actually make it easy

Adám

@user202729 To separate the left argument from the operand (? or whatever the "argument" of an adverb is called in J lingo).

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2:15 PM

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Q: Circle intersection area

Description : Give the intersecting area of two congruent circles rounded down to nearest integer. Inputs : You will be given the following inputs : array 1 = x and y positions of circle a array 2 = x and y positions of circle b radius = radii of the two congruent circles Note : For langua...

code-golf string math geometry

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Ordering the integer arrays code-golf integer array-manipulation So, we have managed to print all integers. Yay! The next step is to extend this to the set of integer arrays. An integer array is an ordered array that only consists of integers. As in the linked challenge, integers can be negative...

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3:44 PM

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Q: What is the most number of times we pass through a node

If I have a graph with just 1 unique path between nodes. There also exists a path between any 2 nodes. You are also given n Sources and destinations. What's the most efficient way for finding the node that is travelled through the most?

graph-theory programming-puzzle

musicman523

@user202729 I really think you should stop telling people "we are not a question and answer site". First of all it does not answer any of their questions, i.e. "Why is my challenge being downvoted? Why is it not valid? What can I change to make it valid?". Second much of the language of the site uses the word "question", so your statement seems quite contradictory.

user202729

@musicman523 I added more clarification.

musicman523

Just saw. Thanks!

Laikoni

@mınxomaτ "How to fix popularity contests?" -> "Include criteria other than the total number of votes in computing an item’s popularity score"

user202729

4:07 PM

@NewMainPosts Finally there is someone who cares to improve their question!

Jelly: How can I compare two lists (lexicographically)?

... I feel bad that after such a long time programming in Jelly I don't know how to do such a simple thing ^.

H.PWiz

Pair, then check sortedness?

Adám

@user202729 Ụ?

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Q: Seats in a Finnish cinema

You're given the map of a cinema theatre as a boolean matrix: 0 represents a free seat, 1 - occupied. Each Finn who walks in chooses the seat farthest away (Euclidean distance) from the nearest occupied one, or if several such exist - the first among them in row-major order. Output a matrix showi...

code-golf matrix

user202729

4:44 PM

Not bad. (although unintuitive)

Adám

@user202729 Well, it is APL's ⍋ which is called Grade Up.

Soaku

6:43 PM

Ugh... PyCharm 2018's Markdown codeblock syntax highlighting is soo broken.... Backspace can't remove white-space, backticks disappear after a second... And opening new files will just load them for infinity. Happened to me when I used ```yaml at beginning of codeblock. Is anyone else having the same problems?

Pavel

Anouncment: In case anyone cares, PPCGv2 has a name now and is called Axtell, named after Mount Axtell in Antarctica.

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Soaku

And it doesn't auto-escape HTML tags in code blocks. Yeah, amazing...

Pavel

6:58 PM

@Soaku There are several markdown plugins you can try that might be better

Adám

@Pavel Why?

Pavel

@Adám Because penguins I guess

Soaku

@Pavel Except the official, I see only one. No time to check it rn anyway

Pavel

Mm, I remember IDEA had a few. Maybe they don't all support PyCharm

Lembik

7:24 PM

hi all

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Q: Pristine and Unique Code Bowling

Your challenge is simple: write as long of a pristine program as possible in the language of your choice using only unique bytes. (A pristine program, as explained in the linked question, is one that runs without errors, but which has an error if you remove any contiguous string of characters.) ...

restricted-source code-bowling pristine-programming

Angs

7:42 PM

hi Lembik

Lembik

I am being stupid but how do I actually get odd_parts to give me an answer in codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/162275/9206 ?

If you just print it you get <generator object odd_parts at 0x00007fbdfffa6408>

Dennis

8:03 PM

print(*C(num_white, num_black))?

Lembik

hi @orlp

Dennis

@Lembik Try it online!

Lembik

@Dennis thanks..

Pavel

Can you overload the splat operator in Python?

Dennis

Probably uses __iter__.

Riker

8:12 PM

yo since when has wikipedia had mouseover text for linked articles

Dennis

@Pavel Try it online!

Pavel

@Riker Wikiwand has had that for forever

Riker

not wikipedia tho

9/10 very cool

Pavel

Right, but you should be using wikiwand because it's awesomer

They have a chrome extension to redirect wikipedia to wikiwand, which is nice

@Dennis Thanks

orlp

@Lembik hi

Anonymous

8:25 PM

@Pavel Always because penguins. Also Axtell is a cool name. Also also Axtell was the first name suggested that didn't suck :P

Pavel

I like it a lot too

Lembik

@orlp I thought your code gave 30 for 9 white balls (the odd_parts code) but I think I am wrong and just don't understand yield :)

@orlp do you understand the complexity of your code when using lru_cache?

as in the computational complexity

Downgoat

:4402212 Because if you did where many goats live (Bangladesh), that just doesn't have the same ring to it

orlp

@Lembik eh it's a bit tricky

Pavel

@Downgoat Goats kinda live everywhere though

You pick a random place and there's a pretty high chance there will be goats there

Anonymous

8:31 PM

If goats lived in Antarctica, Mount Axtell could have Precipice Penguins and Cold Goats

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Lembik

@orlp yes :)

Pavel

CMC: Find a part of the world where you could see both Penguins and Goats

Downgoat

@Pavel except antarctica :|

orlp

@Pavel this chat room

Anonymous

@Pavel Chile

Pavel

8:36 PM

@Mego Now trying to find photos of goats and penguins together

orlp

do goats eat penguins?

Pavel

No

orlp

do penguins eat goats?

Pavel

Goats are herbivores, and Penguins can't eat anything that large

mınxomaτ

@Pavel Even better, here's an actual goat named Penguin: edgarsmission.org.au/30980/penguin

Anonymous

8:38 PM

@Pavel surfbirds.com/community-blogs/amigo/files/2015/08/… no onebox

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Pavel

Neato

Anonymous

@orlp Penguins are pescivores - they only eat fish

Downgoat

@Pavel chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/44014973#44014973 .

Pavel

Not a photo though

Downgoat

@mınxomaτ wow a penguingoat

Pavel

8:45 PM

(From stackoverflow.com/questions/18239405/…)

Adám

9:35 PM

@Pavel Most zoos.

Downgoat

9:54 PM

if I have a fucntion that gives me x/a.y x/b.y x/c.y what's the best way to transform that into f/a.g f/b.g f/c.g

echo vsl/*.m | xargs -n1 -I{} bash -c 'echo artifacts/$(basename {} .m).bc' feels too long

Christopher

10:22 PM

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Q: Escape from the tarpit (Cops)

This is a cops-and-robbers challenge based around defining languages and proving they are Turing complete. This is the cops' thread. The robbers' thread is here. Cops As a cop, you will prepare two things: A formal specification of a programming language, or other computational system. (Com...

VTC

literally a pop-con with no way of determining what answers are better :|

there isn't a end goal of like what an ideal answer should be

Dennis

10:58 PM

How have I never heard of symengine before? A symbolic type and decent speed are all I ever wanted...

$ cat bench.py
from sys import argv
if argv[1] == 'gmpy2': from gmpy2 import mpq as T
if argv[1] == 'symengine': from symengine import S as T
if argv[1] == 'sympy': from sympy import S as T
one = T(1)
sum(one / n for n in range(1, 10001))
$ time python3 bench.py gmpy2

real    0m0.069s
user    0m0.063s
sys     0m0.006s
$ time python3 bench.py symengine

real    0m0.164s
user    0m0.154s
sys     0m0.010s
$ time python3 bench.py sympy

real    0m2.549s
user    0m2.513s
sys     0m0.037s

Christopher

@Dennis because murphy

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11:14 PM

@Dennis video "investigated JavaScript"

since when was JS fast

@Dennis i wonder if they have symbolic functions

Dennis

So far, it had everything I've searched for (not much), although sometimes in usual places.

ASCII-only

also: TIL sympy has N

why was i spending all my time implementing arbitrary precision arithmetic in python (and failing to do so) lol

Pavel

just import mathics

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@Pavel isn't it slow

Dennis

Mathics takes longer to start up than symengine does to do all the computations.

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11:22 PM

@Dennis what does symengine output btw

Dennis

If I wanted to use something slow, I wouldn't be searching for SymPy alternatives.

Pavel

@ASCII-only Mathics is abysmally slow

That wasn't a serious suggestion :P

Dennis

@ASCII-only For that? A fraction.

ASCII-only

@Dennis but isn't SymEngine basically a drop-in replacement for SymPy's symbolic manipulation

Dennis

@ASCII-only Drop-in? Not sure. Try it online!

feersum

11:38 PM

@Dennis So what you care about is mainly the import time?

Dennis

No, computing the sum takes 15x longer with SymPy.

feersum

Are you sure? Try the timing script with the last line deleted.

Dennis

SymPy imports in less than 0.4 seconds.

feersum

Ah ok, on my machine it has the issue of taking 10 seconds to be imported.

Dennis

Is it pre-compiled? Are you using python -O?

feersum

11:42 PM

It might be storred zipped or something...

yeah, it's in a bz2 archive

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> sympy's symbolic manipulation

@Dennis github.com/symengine/symengine.py/blob/…

quartata

That's a compatibility layer

ASCII-only

yeah >_> only realized after i looked in the source

Dennis

It's not drop-in if you have to change how you're doing things. You can't just import symengine as sympy and be done with it.

I have yet to find polynomials. :/

ASCII-only

yeah i thought they might have written hacks to add the rest of sympy to symengine, or replace sympy's types when symengine was imported. turns out it was nothing that magical though

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