The Nineteenth Byte

PhiNotPi

8:00 PM

Not too late to Vote Phi

betseg

Riker

Mr. Xcoder

I just hope the user which won't win doesn't get upset. You're all great! The choices were very tough.

mudkip201

lol

betseg

@ATaco not enough

Riker

8:00 PM

@PhiNotPi a tad too late now

Mr. Xcoder

It ended!

totallyhuman

welp

we don't even have results

label a -- goto a

This election ended 22 secs ago.

mudkip201

so... when do we get to know?

SEJPM

it takes a few moments

HyperNeutrino

8:00 PM

dang it, I was like 1 minute too late to see the final countdown xD

flawr

This was not VTC but CTV

Mr. Xcoder

Very shortly

Anonymous

Loading ballots from file codegolf-stackexchange-com-2018-election-results.blt.
Ballot file contains 3 candidates and 580 ballots.
No candidates have withdrawn.
Ballot file contains 580 non-empty ballots.

Counting votes for Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Stack Exchange Moderator Election 2018 using Meek STV.
3 candidates running for 2 seats.

 R|PhiNotPi       |DJMcMayhem     |Mego           |Exhausted      |Surplus        |Threshold
==================================================================================================

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totallyhuman

... And openctv isn't even in Linux

PhiNotPi

RIP

Anonymous

8:01 PM

580 ballots - that's more than 2016 (512)

totallyhuman

Congratulations to DJMcMayhem and Mego, our new moderators!

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HyperNeutrino

Congratulations all candidates! It was hard choosing between you three :P

DJMcMayhem

Wow. A 2 vote margin

flawr

@PhiNotPi Congratulations to the 3rd place :/

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@PhiNotPi To say truth, I have my 1st vote for you

Anonymous

8:01 PM

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, I'm amazed at how close it was between you two

Pavel

@Mego So are you a mod now or does Grace Note need to put words on our meta first

betseg

@DJMcMayhem actually 22

PhiNotPi

@DJMcMayhem Not actually, it was wider with the transfer votes.

Anonymous

@Pavel The second one

orlp

no one voted for me :(

4

HyperNeutrino

8:02 PM

@Pavel well chat name tag isn't blue yet so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ATaco

It was far too difficult to pick candidates this year.

flawr

@Mego where did you get those?

Mr. Xcoder

Wow... So, so tight! Congratulations all!

J. Sallé

@Mego @DJMcMayhem Congrats boys, may your hammers be swift and accurate.

HyperNeutrino

amazing to think that any one of us who voted DJ first could have caused a tie just on our own

flawr

8:03 PM

@orlp on the bright side: no one downvoted you either

Mr. Xcoder

And now my countdown is stuck there ;-;

SEJPM

@DJMcMayhem @Mego You should get an email from SE soon. Also be sure to look refresh PPCG.SE to see the diamond pop up in the top bar.

Anonymous

@flawr Downloaded from the election page and ran it in OpenSTV

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@Mego Congratulations!

SEJPM

You'll have to accept the Moderator Agreement before being granted access to your powers.

totallyhuman

8:03 PM

@Mego that was quick o0

Riker

@totallyhuman I did the same, it's not hard to click a link, download a txt file, and then hit "run election" :p

flawr

@Mego uh, complicated

totallyhuman

@Riker it's not hard, I didn't say that :P

Mr. Xcoder

:o only 580 people voted

Wow PPCG is small.

Anonymous

3 mins ago, by Mego

580 ballots - that's more than 2016 (512)

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8:05 PM

@Mr.Xcoder "4,375 voters were eligible, 1,760 visited the site during the election, 1,243 visited the election page, and 580 voted" - SE site

.-.

Mr. Xcoder

Still.

SEJPM

@Mr.Xcoder crypto had 337 last week :p

flawr

@Mr.Xcoder too bad it is not a power of two

Fatalize

@Mego Pretty bad growth rate though

Anonymous

@SEJPM And they have a design :(

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8:05 PM

how does it count that

Mr. Xcoder

@Mego Shhh...

ATaco

PPCG getting a design is the first sign of the apocalypse.

Anonymous

@labela--gotoa eligible = 150+ rep on PPCG.

HyperNeutrino

I wish political elections worked this way too. Here you get a group of experienced individuals who truly care about the community nominating themselves explaining why they're all very good choices for our community, and it's hard to choose because they're all really good choices. In political elections you get a bunch of people with absurd ideals nominating themselves explaining why the others are worse than them (except in some cases where you get actual good political candidates).

orlp

@Mego even better

I have a cryptography shirt

SEJPM

8:06 PM

0

Q: 2018 Community Moderator Election Results

Programming Puzzles & Code Golf's second moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied, and the 2 new moderators are: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes...

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@orlp soon I'll have two :p

at least @Mego is now on the /election page

HyperNeutrino

it was fixed lol

Mr. Xcoder

Lol It was reverted

Actually...

HyperNeutrino

oh wait it was redownvoted

SEJPM

@DJMcMayhem is now also on /election

@Mego @DJMcMayhem you should now be able to access your mod powers (after accepting the agreement)

Mr. Xcoder

:O The diamonds have appeared!

PhiNotPi

8:08 PM

8 mins ago, by PhiNotPi

Not too late to Vote Phi

Fatalize

"They'll be joining the existing crew shortly" so no one is relinquishing their diamond??

moonheart08

>_< libSegFault.so isn't doing it's job

Martin Ender

@Mego @DJMcMayhem Welcome aboard! :) We're getting the goats ready for the inauguration ritual.

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HyperNeutrino

interesting to think how I've been around on this site for longer than Mego. I mean I lurked around for so long at the start that he started actually being active before I did but I did start (kind of) using the site before him :o

totallyhuman

imagine Grace note just pops up and surprises is with our design

Anonymous

8:08 PM

I'm blue now

moonheart08

➜ exodus git:(master) ✗ env LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libSegFault.so ./exodus
[1] 17131 segmentation fault (core dumped) env LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libSegFault.so ./exodus

orlp

@Mego dabedidabida

3

HyperNeutrino

@Mego :D looks so nice

AdmBorkBork

@MartinEnder @Downgoat is sacrificial, now? :o

moonheart08

it should be giving me a sta- wait new mods

brb putting @Mego on the enemy team on the server

totallyhuman

8:09 PM

@Mego wait, b-but weren't you always blue? Your avatar says so

Mr. Xcoder

The diamonds were quicker than my badge updates :)

Οurous

@Mego don't be blue, be happy!

HyperNeutrino

they should make mod+RO italicized blue :P

SEJPM

you may need to refresh to see mego being blue

Poke

@SEJPM i was just uploading a ss

ha

totallyhuman

8:10 PM

you may need to be on desktop to see Mego being blue

Mr. Xcoder

Too bad DJ isn't here at this very moment

HyperNeutrino

he just said something a few minutes ago though

about the vote margin?

Mr. Xcoder

I know

totallyhuman

oh he'll be here

real soon

HyperNeutrino

oh you mean at this particular instant in time :P

DJMcMayhem

8:11 PM

I'm sorta here

Οurous

@totallyhuman presses "desktop site" Don't tell me how to live my life.

HyperNeutrino

V

Mr. Xcoder

Ah k

DJMcMayhem

I'm on my phone so it's really hard to keep up with all the pings

totallyhuman

lol

DJMcMayhem

8:11 PM

And I'm only at 12%

HyperNeutrino

IT WORKS

oh rip :(

Christopher

@DJMcMayhem nice man!

Erik the Outgolfer

@MartinEnder just make sure Downgoat isn't one of the goats :)

anyway, congrats for the new mods!

HyperNeutrino

@HyperNeutrino wouldn't have tied anyway because of vote redistribution, you fool

Mr. Xcoder

And congrats to PhiNotPi too! It was absurdly close...

Anonymous

8:13 PM

@DJMcMayhem I'm on desktop and it's not any easier lol

Christopher

@DJMcMayhem I trust you will keep flacking

Of course

*flaking

@Mr.Xcoder Thanks

Yeah it's not Brain-Flack!

HyperNeutrino

8:14 PM

as in flakes slowly come off of him (? i'll stop)

SEJPM

BTW, here's a graphical online summary of the election result

Erik the Outgolfer

eh, sure, it's linked from the election page :P

SEJPM

@EriktheOutgolfer not everyone may have spotted that link there :p

orlp

ok now that the hype has downed a bit, I have an interesting problem

New Meta Posts

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Q: 2018 Community Moderator Election Results

Programming Puzzles & Code Golf's second moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied, and the 2 new moderators are: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes...

discussion featured election

Οurous

8:16 PM

Gee thanks NMP

orlp

import random
def random_tree():
    r = 1
    for _ in range(random.randint(0, 2)):
        r += random_tree()
    return r

flawr

@orlp Is this the algorithm for evaluating the votes?

orlp

what is the probability that random_tree returns an integer >= n?

HyperNeutrino

lol that looks like it will rapidly die

orlp

keep in mind that randint(0, 2) is uniformly choosing 0, 1, or 2

quartata

8:17 PM

@PhiNotPi it is painful to watch how close it was

HyperNeutrino

also what is the probability that it terminates

Wheat Wizard

Is stackexchange down for anyone else?

quartata

@orlp was just listening to that

PhiNotPi

Thank you to everyone who came out to vote.

@quartata ...true

quartata

@PhiNotPi like I was surprised how close the margin between DJ and you was with the first votes

Adám

8:18 PM

@PhiNotPi Thank you for nominating yourself. Without you, nobody would have won.

quartata

I guess DJ was the favorite number... OK I'm not going to do that joke

sorry

Erik the Outgolfer

@WheatWizard isup.me/https://stackexchange.com hm, maybe I'm linking to isup.me way too often

Οurous

@PhiNotPi it's okay, I still love your challenges.

label a -- goto a

^

quartata

hey at least there's a chance you'll be called up after the election

Wheat Wizard

8:19 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer Figured. I'm able to load parts of the webpage.

quartata

that's more of an SO thing but it could happen here

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah a mod can actually appoint or demod somebody else anytime they want to, single-handedly (?)

quartata

er no

Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer Definitely not

Anonymous

Only SE employees have that power

PhiNotPi

8:21 PM

@quartata I wish, but I kinda doubt it.

Erik the Outgolfer

ah, thanks for clarifying, meta.SE pretty much says nothing about who can appoint or de-mod another mod

HyperNeutrino

@quartata I think it happened to Alex, if I remember correctly. He was appointed after Dennis won making two new mods when the election called for 1 candidate.

quartata

that was different because it was pro tem

I mean this:

Erik the Outgolfer

Alex was elected

Anonymous

Ok time to get back to work

Martin Ender

8:23 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer alex was also a pro tem before that

quartata

stackoverflow.com/election

SEJPM

@Mego @DJMcMayhem you may want to know that your modship chat status does not carry over to the SO chat server nor the Meta.SE chat server

Erik the Outgolfer

@MartinEnder but Hyper mentioned something about an election, which is kinda confusing...

Anonymous

@SEJPM I figured as much

Erik the Outgolfer

I think they already know...

ninja

Anonymous

8:24 PM

I'm familiar with the wonkiness of chat

Martin Ender

@EriktheOutgolfer there was an inofficial election held on meta

betseg

alphabetical

SEJPM

@Mego excellent :)

Anonymous

Now I'm gonna go hide at work from all the pings

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SEJPM

@Mego you sure you want to say that out loud?

Erik the Outgolfer

8:25 PM

@Mego contacts SE team

SEJPM

knowing it will probably generate even more pings? ;)

HyperNeutrino

(times out TNB) there, no more pings

betseg

that's why he said hide

SEJPM

@HyperNeutrino mods don't care about freeze status :p

Anonymous

I don't get notifications on my phone, thankfully

HyperNeutrino

8:25 PM

yeah I know :P but still, slightly fewer pings

Anonymous

smoke grenade

3

HyperNeutrino

:o where did he go?

orlp

@HyperNeutrino 100%

betseg

dont throw smokes plz they lag my pc

HyperNeutrino

oh rly. ok

orlp

8:26 PM

@HyperNeutrino let P be the probability that it terminates

then P is equal to 1 minus 1/3 times <one child survives> minus 1/3 times <at least one of two children survives>

agree?

P = 1 - 1/3*(1 - P) - 1/3*(1 - P^2)

which has unique solution P = 1

El'endia Starman

@orlp Uh... I'd like some context for this.

HyperNeutrino

Hm okay, thanks. That makes sense.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego just so you know, rn you're setting a bad example as a mod, smoke is definitely noise...and no, you're not a "retired" RO yet, despite having a shiny diamond there ;)

orlp

12 mins ago, by orlp

import random
def random_tree():
    r = 1
    for _ in range(random.randint(0, 2)):
        r += random_tree()
    return r

11 mins ago, by orlp

what is the probability that random_tree returns an integer >= n?

El'endia Starman

OH, "child" in the context of trees, not humans. That's better.

Mr. Xcoder

8:29 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer ಠ_ಠ

PhiNotPi

Hello I would like to nominate myself to fill one of the newly-vacated RO positions. lol

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Also this is probably not the most effective time to post a math problem in TNB.

Adám

@PhiNotPi Please explain.

Οurous

Where was the meta post on what qualifies something as a language for PPCG

HyperNeutrino

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Q: What are programming languages?

Often, answers to questions asking for "programs" or talking about "programming languages" utilize things like sed, awk, … in order to get around having to write an actual shell script. Therefore, a question comes to my mind: What qualifies as a programming language? Sure, ultimately the OP ca...

discussion policy faq-proposed

betseg

ninja'd

Erik the Outgolfer

8:31 PM

@PhiNotPi vacated? no, unlike mods, ROs don't tend to lose their RO status after they "retire", as can be seen, but all the work is left to the new ROs :P why do you think I haven't nominated as a RO myself? ;)

Adám

@PhiNotPi Is bribery acceptable on SE?

PhiNotPi

@Adám They're called bounties.

orlp

@Adám they're called stars

Οurous

Yay. Today my goal is to make Dirty actually a language on PPCG. It can't test primality at the moment.

Adám

@PhiNotPi I was more thinking in the lines of "I'll make you a RO in The APL Orchard if you agree to learn APL"…

Mr. Xcoder

8:34 PM

CMC: If you sum DJ's and Mego's user IDs, you get 77657. This number is somewhat special, because, when taking just the first occurrence of each digit, you get 765. So, given an integer N or a list of digits, check whether, when you remove duplicate occurrences of each digit (keeping the first one only), the result is a strictly descending sequence of consecutive digits. 77657 -> True, 838 -> False, 332233122 -> true, 6776 -> False

Erik the Outgolfer

@Οurous FYI it doesn't need to actually, but it used to

HyperNeutrino

@Adám doesn't seem to be disallowed: stackexchange.com/legal/content-policy (:P)

Οurous

@EriktheOutgolfer that's okay, I still need a daily goal.

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+1

HyperNeutrino

@Mr.Xcoder how could it possibly be non-increasing but not strictly descending? there can't be duplicate digits :P so you don't need emphasis on the strictly part (or even to put it there)

PhiNotPi

8:35 PM

Also, there's no demand, and I have no leverage, but I would actually take an RO position if people are accepting applications.

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Bah can't edit...

HyperNeutrino

@Mr.Xcoder Jelly, 5 bytes: QI=-Ạ

@Mr.Xcoder oh well, it works either way :P

Adám

@Mr.Xcoder APL (Dyalog Unicode), 11 bytes ∧/1≤2-/⍎¨∘∪

label a -- goto a

Welp, that was fast

HyperNeutrino

hold on golfing

Mr. Xcoder

8:37 PM

ಠ_ಠ SE sites load very, very slow for me

SEJPM

@Mr.Xcoder they need to golf their JS more?

Mr. Xcoder

Sure they do

HyperNeutrino

@Mr.Xcoder Jelly, 4 bytes: QI‘Ẹ (1 is false and 0 is true)

Martin Ender

@Mr.Xcoder 16 in Retina: tio.run/##K0otycxLNPyvquGe8N8lQY/LKsHSwtzM1MTYyNDg/…

(deduplicates and then uses the result of that as a regex against the string 9876543210 to count the matches in it)

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Yay that's exactly my solution

HyperNeutrino

8:38 PM

yay :D

Mr. Xcoder

~ also works instead of ‘

Adám

@PhiNotPi So, will you learn APL? :-)

Oliver

@Mr.Xcoder Japt, 5 bytes ¬â r<

Mr. Xcoder

Because 8 and 3 are not consecutive

Adám

@Mr.Xcoder Oh, I also misread that. Hang on.

dzaima

8:40 PM

@Mr.Xcoder apparently I can't read. The 2nd occurrence of that today :p

label a -- goto a

everybody seem to forgot about the election :P

Fatalize

@PhiNotPi your lack of animal in your avatar clearly cost you the election

Mr. Xcoder

@Oliver A list of digits is fine

But nice!

SEJPM

@labela--gotoa well, there isn't much left to be said, is there?

"congrats winners, now let's get back to work"

label a -- goto a

@SEJPM ikr

Adám

8:41 PM

@Mr.Xcoder APL (Dyalog Unicode), 11 bytes ∧/1=2-/⍎¨∘∪

AdmBorkBork

@Mr.Xcoder PowerShell, 68 bytes Try it online!

Mr. Xcoder

They now joined the mods page too

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but it took a while and like the whole starred posts panel is filled with election jokes

Adám

@Mr.Xcoder TIL we have such a page.

Mr. Xcoder

...

SEJPM

8:42 PM

@labela--gotoa well, if you want to live the election hype, I think Cooking.SE has one on-going

label a -- goto a

@SEJPM and i rather meant that the whole election stuff is no longer "interesting" since Mr.Xcoder started his CMC

:P

dzaima

@Adám golfed to 8 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

Lol Luis and I are really at the bottom of the users/week page :D. At least it's 100% worth it

Adám

@dzaima I didn't realise digit lists were ok, but sure: Nice!

moonheart08

main (Address: 55bb08a64a73, Stack: 7ffe81fcd2e0)
I think this is clean enough for a start. Definitely could be better. But hey, the trace DOES work

label a -- goto a

8:45 PM

@Mr.Xcoder how did you do it? :P

Mr. Xcoder

@labela--gotoa Bounties for Best of :)

label a -- goto a

congrats? :P

Adám

@Mr.Xcoder Hm, those should be relative losses. ngn lost almost a tenth of his rep this qeek. ⍥

label a -- goto a

@Mr.Xcoder hah, I was close :P

Mr. Xcoder

I've won a category too, so I guess the bounty will just end up as a no-op when it comes to my rep

Anyway, it doesn't really matter ;D Rewarding extraordinary posts is 1000% more important.

label a -- goto a

8:47 PM

I would donate a bounty if my rep wasn't so low...

I'm not good at earning rep on se sites

my best question is 22+ on conlang, because it was a very basic question and it was the 4th/5th on the site ಠ_ಠ

Mr. Xcoder

Oh Turing-completeness?

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and it's now the most upvoted question on the whole site ಠ_ಠ

yes

you are on it too? :P

Adám

Our top voter has never downvoted.

Mr. Xcoder

Nah not really but I did visit it a couple of times. Not a huge fan of conlangs

when Adám discovers the "voters" page :P

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> 12,660 up; 0 down

label a -- goto a

that's something I would do

I almost never downvote

Mr. Xcoder

8:50 PM

> 273 up; 2 down

dzaima

@Adám he can't - he doesn't have the 125 rep :p

Mr. Xcoder

Yeah plausible :)

^^

mudkip201

@dzaima lel

label a -- goto a

2 down? ಠ_ಠ That's a lot for me

Expected less

Adám

@dzaima That's why I noticed.

HyperNeutrino

8:50 PM

@dzaima I literally just looked up the privileges page and came here to announce my profound discovery in chat ಠ_ಠ

Mr. Xcoder

ಠ_ಠ

label a -- goto a

laggy net

Adám

Interestingly, his only rep is an association bonus, but he isn't a member of any other SE community.

HyperNeutrino

maybe his accounts aren't publicly linked

label a -- goto a

maybe they're hidden

dzaima

8:51 PM

@Adám stackexchange.com/users/446514/gnat

Mr. Xcoder

I seem to have strong opinions: 1699 up, 417 down

Magic Octopus Urn

Why do the chatrooms seem to only be displayed in the sidebar of the front-page of PPCG ~50% of the time?

Adám

@HyperNeutrino I didn't know that was possible.

Mr. Xcoder

He's an active member of Software Engineering iirc

J. Sallé

Looks like he's only ever posted on meta O_o

Magic Octopus Urn

8:53 PM

@Adám Sorry about earlier, I saw the newline question (from Dennis), missed the "leading/trailing" answer.

HyperNeutrino

@Adám https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/hidecommunities/<your user id> :P

Adám

@MagicOctopusUrn No need to excuse. It was just funny.

label a -- goto a

starts upvote rush

xD

SEJPM

@labela--gotoa you can only do like 40 upvotes a day

label a -- goto a

@SEJPM ikr, it's a joke

Mr. Xcoder

8:54 PM

I have my CR account hidden :D

Magic Octopus Urn

@SEJPM I first found this out trying to upvote the first 100 posts in "one OEIS after another".

label a -- goto a

even if I upvote a lot, I never exceeded the daily limit

I upvote less than I think

.-.

Magic Octopus Urn

@labela--gotoa go the opposite way with it then, start downvoting stuff.

HyperNeutrino

how do you see a user's up/down votes o_O

Mr. Xcoder

@MagicOctopusUrn Oh good lord I'd earn some rep from your votes :)

Magic Octopus Urn

8:55 PM

@HyperNeutrino Can only see your own.

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino User/Activity/bottom of the page

HyperNeutrino

ok thanks

Magic Octopus Urn

@Mr.Xcoder If you were in the first 30 you did receive some lol.

Mr. Xcoder

I don't think I was in the first 30

It was just too hectic for me to keep up back then

label a -- goto a

@MagicOctopusUrn Looks at his rep .-.

Magic Octopus Urn

8:56 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Lol I think I have a total of 10 deleted answers.

HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn I was in the first 30 3 times :P

Magic Octopus Urn

@Mr.Xcoder 0 valid answers, 10 deleted.

HyperNeutrino

> 1545 up, 92 down

Mr. Xcoder

Actually I have the 5th answer

HyperNeutrino

that's in the 9 months following my account deletion lmao

Magic Octopus Urn

8:57 PM

Is it against the rules to "rep-boost" someone because they're new and their answers are stupidly good? I've never done it but I've been tempted lol.

Mr. Xcoder

I have 16 answers to One OEIS after another...

Magic Octopus Urn

Rep boost as in upvote all 7 posts they have lol.

HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn you can give the answer (not them, the answer :P) a bounty

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino BUT THOSE IS MAH FAKE POINTZ.

HyperNeutrino

o huh I have 25 there

@MagicOctopusUrn yes but if you're caught doing it your way you lose 11324 rep (temporarily) :3

Magic Octopus Urn

8:58 PM

@HyperNeutrino Ah, so it is against the rules?

Mr. Xcoder

I memorised Dennis' id but I cannot memorise mine completely :(

HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn pretty sure it's voting abuse :P

@Mr.Xcoder lol same xD his is the only one I have memorized for some reason

Magic Octopus Urn

@Mr.Xcoder I know my PPCG one, but not my SE one

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