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DJMcMayhem

19:02

@WheatWizard They're mechanically the same thing

Poke

in a non-quine challenge are solutions allowed to read their own source code

Dennis

Sure.

totallyhuman

unless specified

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem Yes, that's why I think the fixed numeric output would be a better idea.

Christopher

they are the same thing

NieDzejkob

19:03

text output is more challenging

Christopher

NieDzejkob

because it's more than one number

Christopher

i have no response to that (not a good thing)

Do you flak?

Dennis

Does it make sense to mix very short and very long strings? I have a feeling that this will require basically two programs.

Christopher

true

I needed a text sample that was large to make sure they had the time requirement down

NieDzejkob

19:05

@Christopher I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm stating the facts

Christopher

@NieDzejkob In brain-flak text output and outputting a list of numbers is just adding the -a flag

Wheat Wizard

Except with -a the numbers can't be negative

Christopher

yeah

totallyhuman

19:21

@NieDzejkob i.imgur.com/0chCpuN.png

kinda went past again

HyperNeutrino

just realized that in stack cats if you somehow manage to turn each command into a matrix then pAq where p and q undo each other is essentially just P^-1AP

which can become interesting things

Anonymous

34 minutes left in the election, be sure to vote!

Christopher

50 by my clock

lol

label a -- goto a

!!!

Christopher

???

Anonymous

19:26

label a -- goto a

34 minutes showing for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

umm, wrong one

Christopher

@Mego huh it literally just said 50

Riker

@Christopher yeah your clock is messed up

SEJPM

@Christopher refresh?

Christopher

And it is fixed now

Riker

19:26

@Christopher that's called "refresh"

Adám

28 minutes for me.

SEJPM

should be 33

Christopher

I was pinged by 2 mods and an RO about how i am wrong. feelsbadman

anyways gtg

SEJPM

@Christopher mods and ROs are always there for you ;p

Riker

@Christopher *2 animals and a talking potato

but seeya

Adám

19:29

@Mego Will you instantly gain mod powers in half an hour (if you win)?

SEJPM

@Adám roughly, it takes them like 1-5min

Anonymous

@Adám Elected mods don't instantly gain their diamonds. It takes some time for SE to flip the switch.

Riker

@Adám when the annoucement post is made, iirc?

SEJPM

(well, it took like 1-5min on Crypto last week)

Riker

ah ok

Anonymous

19:30

Crypto also doesn't get regularly ignored by SE :P (design when)

SEJPM

@Mego yeah, we kinda got lucky on that front :)

flawr

@SEJPM this means 6-8 min here

Riker

march 1st?

SEJPM

So I looked through the Crypto.SE meta history, we got our first election in June '15, our official graduation in september and the design in december

Adám

Much blue, very mod:

Riker

19:34

hey I just realized we're 3 days from our second-year-graduated-but-without-design celebration!

Fatalize

> graduation in september and the design in december

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Adám

@Riker Wow, that must be like a record or something? Do we get an award? A design maybe?

Riker

lol

no but seriously we should have a party

Wheat Wizard

@Adám I think anime se has been waiting even longer

label a -- goto a

but the suggested one for Github is pretty, must say, I'll be 100% on it

Riker

19:36

do SE timestamps use utc?

@WheatWizard oh yeah I think so

J. Sallé

I've been using the userscript design forever now, I forgot the site doesn't have an actual design

Riker

lol

Anonymous

@Riker Yes

Riker

SEJPM

It's actually kinda mean that PPCG is big enough to warrant 6 mods and still waits for a design and Crypto still sits on 3 mods with a design for the last 2 years :(

totallyhuman

19:38

does python have a data type that's like a dict but you can access elements as attributes?

Anonymous

@totallyhuman NamedTuple

Anonymous

Though that's not exactly it either

totallyhuman

only reason is i don't wanna make a class just for storing data

label a -- goto a

@Mego in the design userscript, the links are blue, is it on purpose? just asking

totallyhuman

@Mego why not?

that looks like what i want

Anonymous

19:40

@totallyhuman You can't add more items

totallyhuman

oh that's fine for my use case

Anonymous

namedtuple creates a class constructor with exactly those attributes you specify, and none more

Anonymous

Oh ok, good

totallyhuman

thanks!

Anonymous

AttrDict is the alternative for JSON-like dicts

Riker

19:40

Countdown to 2 Year Graduation Anniversary (with no design!)

Anonymous

@labela--gotoa My contributions to the design userscript have been a few bugfixes and yelling at Downgoat. If you have questions about it, ask @Downgoat

Riker

roughly 69 hours left

@labela--gotoa where?

Fatalize

We will get our design in 6-8 years after graduating

Riker

yes I think so though

betseg

$ gcc prog.c -O0 -o prog
$ wc -c prog
19144
$ gcc prog.c -O3 -o prog
$ wc -c prog
19144

huh

Riker

19:41

we experimented with non-blue links but it looked ugly

@betseg eli5?

Anonymous

@betseg Try -Osize

label a -- goto a

@Mego, oh sorry, I didn't see it's a fork

Riker

@Riker pin-request?

Anonymous

@Riker Two binaries from the same source but with different optimization levels had the same byte count

Riker

betseg

19:42

@Mego wait i forgot to press shift while was typing here

not copying

Anonymous

@Riker status-declined

betseg

@Mego i did this

Riker

@Mego dernit

totallyhuman

@totallyhuman *class, sheesh haskell is infecting me

Riker

well then I'll just have to trust in TNB's ability to star things

SEJPM

19:43

@totallyhuman embrace it

totallyhuman

not until i can write neon's interpreter in haskell :P

betseg

@Mego wtf, it shows as capital Os when i try to edit the message but it shows as small os in the message feed ಠ_ಠ

Poke

@WheatWizard Is this valid per your writeup? codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/155281/…

i feel dirty reading my own sourcecode :\

but that seems to be the only way i can find to reference the other classes in the order they are declared

Wheat Wizard

Yeah seems valid.

Poke

dope

Mr. Xcoder

19:53

We've entered the last 10 minutes of the election. Good luck to all the candidates!

ATaco

Best of luck everyone!

Pavel

3 minutes left

hype

Mr. Xcoder

It's literally like new year's eve :)

Pavel

inb4 election dies again

@Mr.Xcoder Nah man, this is much more exciting than New Year's Eve.

betseg

@Mr.Xcoder it was new year 4 days ago in the chinese calendar :P

totallyhuman

19:57

yo dawg I herd u like mods, so I put mods in ur ppcg so u can moderate while golfing

Mr. Xcoder

@Pavel Indeed.

in 2018 Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Moderator Election Chat, Feb 12 at 20:01, by Mr. Xcoder

ಠ_ಠ

totallyhuman

Uno minuto

betseg

nice, they added the edge-edge case

Mr. Xcoder

> New mods coming soon.

PhiNotPi

totallyhuman

19:59

> to a ppcg next to you

Anonymous

@betseg Jeff got smacked with the big S enough times

ATaco

Overly specific election timer.

Mr. Xcoder

If you compare the times given by SE and the one given by the timer, they're extremely close :)

SEJPM

@ATaco it's a standard SE timestamp thingy I think

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