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Maybe a probability calculator given a neural network and inputs would be a good challenge...
Input for AI is what's hard in a good AI challenge... Even simple s**t like minimax algorithms need complex inputs.
I'm trying to learn about ai by creating a game where you fight against a bot that gets better and better at destroying you... After two weeks the bot still does nothing...
Dear English, why are displays, headphones, and water nozzles all called "monitors"? Signed ._.
@HelkaHomba wait, what...
@HelkaHomba Because they ALL MONITOR YOUR THOUGHTS IN AMERICA. NO FREEDOM ANYMORE.
@HelkaHomba Also I've never heard of that.
00:03
English > Re: monitors, because I ate too much that day and fell asleep, so I didn't have enough time to make them all have their own word, so i just made them all monitor. Same with those lizards...
Lizards?
Monitor lizards
twilight zone music plays
Ah. Of course. Silly English.
00:07
English was like "monitor is a nice well defined word... Better fix that!"
I have the perfect meme for this but I'll never find it
It's like a 4 sentence paragraph that uses 2 words 6 times each but each time it uses them it's a homonym or it's a homophone.
Not it, but close lol
Actually, even better than the one I wanted.
"Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo" is a grammatically valid sentence due to the different meanings of buffalo...
You're missing a capital letter and a few punctuations.
@HelkaHomba Eh, as a musician, usually monitors are speakers more often than headphones
@DJMcMayhem You ARE a musician then?
DJ wasn't a random name :P?
00:20
@MagicOctopusUrn meh that stuff can be inferred
I thought you said like 4 days ago it was a random choice.
00:35
@MagicOctopusUrn It was random. I am also a musician
00:59
and a couple of buffaloes
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
or you can actually extend it by adding Buffalo buffalo buffalo
This reminds me of Mathematica's feature where you can add @#& after a function that takes a single argument as many times as you want without changing its meaning :P
01:21
"feature"
well not feature I guess :P
01:36
@HyperNeutrino The amount of times that I've made a mathematica submition that was a single builtin with @#& at the end...
01:51
I just realized: Python 2: zip(*A) Python 3: list(map(list,zip(*A)))
or actually
I lied
it's only like 6 bytes lol because zip returns tuples in Python 2 too
02:07
@flawr for reasons, I was looking through my old questions to find this one, and I still gotta say: insanely impressive answer :o
 
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Hola
Guten Abend
 
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06:48
@DLosc Guten Morgen! (Heh timezones)
 
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11:22
@LeakyNun hey, I'm applying to university. As part of applications I can submit documentation about projects. I was hoping to present SIL/S.I.L.O.S as a project I have been passionate about for a while. Since you have been basically the primary contributor, I wanted to reach out and make sure that you were ok with me using this project (acknowleding you of course). Also, is it representative of my abilities and interests as a computer programmer? Would it be good for my application?
11:36
@Riker thanks:)
 
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@RohanJhunjhunwala Why doesn't my application allow that kind of thing -_-
13:12
@HyperNeutrino Probably a typo?
Definitely missing an f
*grumbles incoherently*
hopefully all of you are having a good morning/day/evening/night/$TIME_DESCRIPTOR
13:32
huh is that a thing
no it's just a placeholder :P
i wish it were a thing xD
Yeah it would be very useful Here xD
@HyperNeutrino Also why is increase and decrease?
who said it must be exactly like jelly
Yeah that’s odd. Probably because they didn’t want to copy Jelly.
13:38
But I find it unintuitive, consider how it looks.
@Mr.Xcoder someone could write a user script that could replace $TIME_DESCRIPTOR based on the time of day returned by the system clock of the given user.
The has bold upper part and light lower part, and vice versa for . So I think should intuitively be -1. (at least for TIO font and chat.SE code font)
but that's a highly specific :P
@EriktheOutgolfer Well it’s confusing and quite odd, since points downwards but it increments :P
I guess you can imagine it as gravitational :p
13:41
@ThomasWard brb making a userscript </joke>
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Q: Hello World in Multiple Languages

SteadyboxTask Create a program or a function that is valid in multiple programming languages, and when compiled/interpreted as a different language outputs "Hello, World!" in a different natural language. For example, a valid solution might output Hello World! (English) when compiled and run as C, Hallo...

has anybody noticed that the sandbox doesn't appear to the right even though it's ?
I did.
featured expires after a while
but the tag stays on
13:44
except that the tag is still there
it'd have to be reupped by a mod
There's only "HOT META POSTS" now
@EriktheOutgolfer the 'featured' tag remains
but the 'featured' status goes away after a while
I thought it's removed by the community user automatically
It should be (I think), but i've noticed it not doing that every so often
so it's either a design change
or something evil happened.
so if you want it to show up as 'featured' again a mod will have to untag and retag
@ThomasWard if not already, you should post on mother meta about that bug you might have figured out
i'm lazy
you post it.
i'm also sufficiently angry at the world because of lack of sleep, so probably best I don't post to meta just now :p
hmm...doesn't seem to be cache, since the last addition of was on october 14th
well it MIGHT be on your side
because it shows for me
13:51
now it shows again
but before it didn't
this is how it showed for me before (html edited to reproduce effect)
it's definitely a bug
same here.
CMQ: Did we have a simple base conversion challenge?
I have posted one in the sandbox
but there's not really much interest
Oh there is none on Main?!
I guess there is
but with strings
(I was looking for the shortest base conversion method in Python)
14:01
well, with strings, from is easy, to isn't
@EriktheOutgolfer Ik, was looking for the latter.
Python-CMC (code-golf): Convert a given integer to a given base.
like, 2-36 string?
College is evil (at least applying to it...)
@EriktheOutgolfer No... ?
I mean, python can convert from bases 2 to 36 with strings
14:03
You don't need to handle letters and such.
oh just a list?
Yes.
I have ~40 bytes
so, assuming positive base
yes.
and non-0.
you have 47 bytes I guess?
14:04
Not ready yet, but probably yes.
14892, 73 -> [2, 58, 0]
can I return the digits in reverse order?
there goes 34-byte version
45 bytes. Uses a recursive lambda.
14:10
Note that mine is Py-2 specific. A bit longer in Py3.
@EriktheOutgolfer 44 bytes.
yes
I don't get how you got 45 though
@EriktheOutgolfer I used a>1 instead >.<
f=lambda n,b,r=[]:n and f(n/b,b,[n%b]+r)or r
@flawr :)
@Mr.Xcoder 45 bytes
sure
14:13
yes. // right?
now do that in brainflak :)
It's definitely doable, but really not easy :)
well, it should be, since it claims it's turing complete
14:17
Modulus is ({}(<>))<>{(({})){({}[()])<>}{}}{}<>([{}()]{}) and integer division is ({}(<>))<>([()]{()<(({})){({}[()])<>}{}>}{}<><{}{}>)
assigning, however...
...doesn't exist :-p
But 2 stacks do exist - hint, hint :P
yeah you'd most probably put the digits in there
bah you are right...
@user202729 haha yes I'm dumb I don't know how that happened. And yeah I should switch increment/decrement to match Jelly... (to avoid confusing people)
14:28
Is there any looping construct available in Enlist? (¿¡ß#)
Not yet.
Yuppe can't wait to use your language Hyper, arrays and numbers are my favourite :-)
@user202729 I totally would if my current understanding of this sequence aligned with the values given by the OEIS. — NieDzejkob 57 mins ago
Anyone can help NieDzejkob ?
lolno graphs again? rip
@HyperNeutrino No, not the current one, the previous one.
14:41
Like you mean the one Nie solved in TreFunge?
Yeah that's the graph-related one. The next one is about primes which is so much easier lol
Oh wait I am dumb Enlist is already on TIO \o/ - Congrats Hyper!
TIO is really nice
in talk.tryitonline.net, Oct 20 at 14:47, by Dennis
10/10 Hello World test prints Hello World now
@Mr.Xcoder Haven't you read that ^ ?
14:42
I mean, I don't always have a Python interpreter on hand, so TIO is nice to have
I haven't... Quite late from me >.<
there isn't a TryItOnline app for phones is there :P
no there isn't any.
I wonder if TIO is mobile friendly
spins up on his Galaxy S8
@ThomasWard VERY mobile friendly, in fact. One of the only sites that's actually decently usable on mobile :D
14:44
yes it is.
Also, Enlist/TIO is extremely old. It's like 2 weeks old, back when combining operators didn't work. I fixed that a long time ago lol. I should ask Dennis to pull sometime.
How did I not see Enlist on tio for such a long time...?
good question
anyway gtg o/
@HyperNeutrino \o BTW, you know you're going to need to have some 2-byte built-ins, don't you ? :P
I'mma laugh at this for an hour, I managed to ninja @HyperNeutrino's asking for an updated pull for TIO of Enlist by half a second xD
14:47
@Mr.Xcoder There are already Arithmetic-Triangle (which calculate n-th triangle number) : Æ<literal triangle here, I can't type because of Jelly keyboard>
@user202729 Æ∆?
Yes it is.
@ThomasWard WTH was that bro?
insanity?
i only got 3 hours sleep
then go sleep...
14:50
stupid partying neighbors who ultimately didn't stop until i called the cops on them
@Mr.Xcoder can't. Working until 5PM; it's 10:50AM here now.
oh I forgot some are adults here :-)
:P
why do you think I called the police when they were still going around 1AM
if i didn't have to wake up early this morning for work I'd have let them party and just waited until i just plain passed out from tiredness
but since I did have to wake up early, and they shouldn't be partying and going in and out constantly over several hours at night time (11PM - 1AM, 10:30PM is the township-accepted "quiet" period at night when you shouldn't be making noise that goes outside your apartment in a disruptive way) anyways...
... police.
misfortunate combination
indeed.
Is misfortunate an English word?
14:53
yes it is.
A synonym of unfortunate.
This may be easier to understand (than this)
Can anyone explain to me how I output strings in Intercal?
(If anyone here knows Intercal)
Say that I wanted to output, Halo Dunia! in Intercal, is there a generalised way of doing it?
DO,1<-#14 DO,1SUB#1<-#238 DO,1SUB#2<-#108 DO,1SUB#3<-#112 PLEASE DO,1SUB#4<-#256 DO,1SUB#5<-#64 DO,1SUB#6<-#194 PLEASE DO,1SUB#7<-#48 DO,1SUB#8<-#26 DO,1SUB#9<-#244 PLEASE DO,1SUB#10<-#168 DO,1SUB#11<-#24 DO,1SUB#12<-#16 PLEASE DO,1SUB#13<-#162 DO,1SUB#14<-#52 DO READ OUT,1 DO GIVE UP
15:05
It's a nice language to use for polyglots (because it ignores everything). Could you explain to me how you came up with that?
Outputs "Hello, World!"
@RohanJhunjhunwala I didn't, tio did.
There is a "Hello World" Button.
The problem is that the way the Hello World challenge is specified, I can't have programs with the comma
@RohanJhunjhunwala If I am right it works with the code points of the charaters.
15:07
That was my first theory, but try altering any of those numbers, you get gibberish
Sub may stands for subtraction, so the value printed may be accumulated sum. However I don't know intercal.
IDK what PLEASE does, that seems ironically similar to Virgil.
It does nothing.
But it is necessary to prevent compile error.
15:13
You get compile error if you are not polite enough or excessively polite.
"Undocumented Feature" lol
@NieDzejkob I guess I understood what is A000256.
Or not.
15:37
@Mr.Xcoder I know; I already have some as well :P I'm saving the AE, OE, ae, oe, and O/ ligatures for two-byte built-ins (much like in Jelly :P)
Ok, so I think I am going to give up Cthulhu and start all the way from scratch. I want to have a vectorization engine common to all functions, and I really want to improve my current functions. That being said, Cthulhu is not a thing anymore.
:(
R.I.P. Cthulhu 2017
I'll rename it nonetheless if I decide to redo it. Name suggestions welcome.
Cthulhu the language, or Cthulhu the Evil One :p
Let's hope both.
Also I am planning to have more 2-byte built-ins rather than single-byte ones, and I think I will reserve Æ挜ØøÇ玞Ēē for that purpose.
@HyperNeutrino I would suggest more if I would understand what all those are.
Also why'd you use Sympy integers?
@Mr.Xcoder because precision
on integers?
15:44
well not necessary for integers but meh
I have to import it so why not
@HyperNeutrino You forgot to address factorial, didn't you?
that way calling things like .as_numer_denom() on my values won't cause issues if I get an int
@Mr.Xcoder facepalm yes
Oh well actorial factorial is broken for a while then I guess (since I won't ask Dennis to pull for another day or two as I make a bunch more functions and operators)
I really like precision for whatever reason so Ceres, Proton, and Enlist all use sympy numbers. It makes it really slow but precision :c I tried getting gmpy to work but it doesn't work on my computer for whatever reason; if I can use it on TIO I might use that instead since it's faster, but Proton is hard to develop on TIO.
(at least until developer pull is implemented on TIO)
@HyperNeutrino aren't Py3 numbers already arbitrary precision?
15:52
not floats
0.1 + 0.2 != 0.3
because binary
yeah, you're right
@HyperNeutrino I don't see a primefac built-in...
oh right yeah I need prime builtins lol
Also exponents of primefac should be added aside from the usual ones.
@ThomasWard Yes, it is related to binary approximations.
@HyperNeutrino Is there any room for Enlist? If there isn't any, can you create one? I would like one to exist, since I am definitely going to use Enlist once you polish things up and have a ton of built-in suggestions and new operators in mind.
15:56
@Mr.Xcoder indeed. That all said and done, this is why I toss in a round() around things if I want it to trim off such approximation oddness :P
but that loses precision :c
usually i'm working with ints so it's usually not an issue.
only time I worry about floating point is with a calculator lol

 Neutrino Programming Language

General discussion, feature requests, bug reports, golfing tip...
Thanks!
(I cannot remember why I posted the messages again ...)
16:17
... i discovered something disturbing from esolangs.org...
... certain languages should not exist.
oh FiM++? lololol that one is hilarious
> Its syntax and structure are inspired by Java and ALGOL
what the hell? :P
:P
there's actually a semi-working Scala interpreter for this... this scares me actually.
it's a sign the world should end and be reborn...
WAKE Cthulhu
@ThomasWard wait you mean someone made an interpreter interpreter for FiM++ in Scala or Scala in FiM++?
and has recent commits to. which scares me.
@HyperNeutrino if it were the inverse, an FiM++ interpreter that interprets Scala, that'd be scary
and would be a sign of the Apocalypse having actually begun.
@ThomasWard I agree. That would be a true sign of the waking of Cthulhu
16:28
Cthulhu will Wake, Jörmungandr will let go of his own tail and rise up while Odin is consumed by Fenrir thus signaling the start of Ragnarök, and the Devil himself will be freed from his eternal prison and set the world aflame in the coming Apocalypse..
basically, Hell on Earth.
but we have many eons before that happens.
... I hope.
nah in 2050 we're supposed to run out of resources and then all that will happen
that's assuming that in 2033, the third world war doesn't happen and destroy most of humanity first
true
according to my history teacher the stock market is going to crash by the end of this month or the latest like early next year
16:34
@HyperNeutrino now... if TIO had a FiM++ interpreter, we would know the End Days have come.
absolute proof of the End.
just saying.
@RohanJhunjhunwala To me you are ok to use the project (with or without acknowledging me). I offer no opinion on whether it would be a good decision.
Oh hi Leaky!
16:52
@Mr.Xcoder hi
17:33
@LeakyNun all right. Thank you for helping me with this project.
no problem
@RohanJhunjhunwala I'd suggest that you indicate that you had other contributors and acknowledge them if you can, if you use the project (because in the world, it's good to attribute where help or knowledge came from).
:P
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Q: How many days in a month?

qw3nGiven a textual representation of a month return the number of days in the month. December, dec, DEC, should all return 31 February can return 28 or 29 No built in Date functions Surprisingly I looked around and didn't see this already posted.

17:57
Golfing question:
if we use any libraries or functions in python as builtins from the standard python libraries, do we need to include that in the bytecount?
you need to include the import statement
so that's a 'yes'
well, you don't need to count the whole text of the library
but yes
if it's not in the standard python distribution, it's also conventional to specify in the header that that library is used
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