The Nineteenth Byte

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5:13 AM

@HyperNeutrino ... so you'll have Positron, Proton and Neutrino now?

Or will you have Neutron, Electron, Muon,and Gluon before Neurtino

i cri everytim

...I just realized how unoriginal my golf lang's name is

Neon

Dammit neutrino

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@icrieverytim it should be totallyneon

i cri everytim

:P

ATaco

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@ATaco ...

I guess a lot if "Fix bug" and the like aren't much better though

ATaco

5:20 AM

I like my commit messages and comments to be a window into the effort I put in, rather than an explanation of what I did.

Pavel

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@Pavel 10/10

ATaco

Well, It did kind of fix it on my machine at the time :\

It just didn't fix it correctly.

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> kind of

ATaco

Pavel

5:21 AM

@ASCII-only It took me 4 tries to draw the circle (ovaloid?) with my mouse because it kept going outside the bounds of the image

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RIP

Pavel

Which as you can see it kindof still is

Challenger5

@MDXF Just because it's a popcon doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a way to determine what makes one answer better. It's just that the way to determine it is subjective. So "design a programming language based on an unsolved conjecture; better answers are answers where the conjecture is baked more firmly into the language" is a good pop-con, and "design a programming language; most creative language wins" is not.

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when like 90% of your commits are bugfixes

@NewSandboxedPosts movfuscator

nand computer

One instruction set computer

A one instruction set computer (OISC), sometimes called an ultimate reduced instruction set computer (URISC), is an abstract machine that uses only one instruction – obviating the need for a machine language opcode. With a judicious choice for the single instruction and given infinite resources, an OISC is capable of being a universal computer in the same manner as traditional computers that have multiple instructions. OISCs have been recommended as aids in teaching computer architecture and have been used as computational models in structural computing research. == Machine architecture == In a...

ATaco

After wrestling with the code for far too long, ARBLE is now on TIO.

ASCII-only

5:24 AM

> wressling

> implicitely

ATaco

Blame my autocorrect script.

It's worse than regular autocorrect.

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...

why does it not use an actual dictionary

Pavel

At first I thought wressling was just the Australian way of saying it. It kinda sounds like it.

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@Pavel It is kinda, but it's not a way to spell it >_>

ATaco

Autohotkey isn't very good at understanding lists/arrays/dictionaries.

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5:26 AM

@ATaco Well that's no excuse, just because it's not good at it doesn't mean it's very hard...

ATaco

AutoHotKey is even worse at dynamic hotstrings.

Pavel

What's this "Dynamic hotstring"

ATaco

A hotstring is like a hotkey that takes a sequence of keystrokes rather than a single one.

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autohotkey.com/board/topic/98728-dynamic-hotstrings

Pavel

Ah

ATaco

5:28 AM

I said it's not very good.

Let me blame it gosh darn it!

ASCII-only

you can't blame the language if you chose to use it of your own free will

Challenger5

@ASCII-only free will is not always why you choose a language. cough cough java cough cough

Pavel

Is there anything better than AHK at this?

ATaco

There's probably a userscript for it.

I am proud.

Pavel

Well if you're using AHK that means it's not just for the browser right

ATaco

5:31 AM

Correct.

Pavel

So userscript doesn't apply

ATaco

It's not even fair that I blame it when I did in particular type "Wressling" rather than "Wrestling".

Challenger5

Well it didn't correct you

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@Challenger5 It is...

Challenger5

Are there good alternatives?

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5:34 AM

@Challenger5 Why would you be forced to use Java for everything

C# with Mono or .NET Core...

It's Java but 10000% better and still cross platform

If you mean on Android then Kotlin or Dart + Flutter

Challenger5

@ASCII-only Maintaining a codebase already written in Java

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@Challenger5 why would you choose to do that out of your own free will

Unless you're a masochist of course

Challenger5

@ASCII-only What if they pay you?

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@Challenger5 there's something called looking for another job

Pavel

@ASCII-only C# works on Andoird.

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5:36 AM

@Pavel Unity is bad

Challenger5

Or, maybe, you want to contribute to CJam because you like it

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seriously why even intentionally get a job that uses Java if you don't like it

Pavel

@ASCII-only Not talking about unity

Mono can compile .NET bytecode to JVM bytecode for use on Android

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oh nice

Challenger5

Is CJam even open source?

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5:38 AM

@Challenger5 Why would it not be

sourceforge.net/projects/cjam

Pavel

@ASCII-only on the other hand you have to deal with the heresy that is compiling C# to JVM.

Challenger5

I see now; the source is in there, I was just too lazy to try and find it before

Which is really an effective source wall anyways.

^ Laziness, that is.

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i cri everytim

6:03 AM

> Seriously add nearley

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7:30 AM

@icrieverytim should have done that

Neil

8:43 AM

@ASCII-only Currently I need to use Ｊ⁻×³ι¹±⁰ψ⟲ＯＯ⁴×²ι to rotate the canvas 180° around a point half-way up the right-hand side, because there's no such thing as Ｃ→⁴.

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okay so what should rotate halfway up do?

I never implemented it because it wouldn't work for anything with even height

@Neil

Ven

9:20 AM

Literally the ⟲ command :o.

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@Ven what else would it be :P

Ven

An ASCII-only variant :-).

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@Ven but :( that wouldn't be as golfy

@Ven rotate in verbose mode, ``r in grave mode

Neil

9:46 AM

@ASCII-only rotate right 180° with copy works for any height. it makes a copy of the canvas, rotates that 180°, then concatenates on the right of the original

you could implement it for 90° with even height I guess

for odd height you would need to use rotate overlap, so that the middle character is the one being overlapped

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@Neil But rotate is around a character by default

wait maybe not

Neil

rotate overlap is around a character by default

but in general 90° rotations make sense around either a character or a corner, while 180° rotations also make sense in intermediate positions

TuxCopter

10:05 AM

oh wow dropbox's new design is horrible

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Q: Java....generating multiples of 3 using whyloop

How can I generate the multiples of 3 to 100 using the why loop?

> why loop

new esolang idea?

@TuxCopter Wow, that's really a step back.

someone

oh wow. the box got dropped as unnecessary.

Leaky Nun

10:18 AM

top of the morning to you

@ASCII-only why????

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@Laikoni rip it's now a checkerboard floor with a loose tile

Laikoni

@ASCII-only Or a broken flag of Bavaria.

i cri everytim

@PaŭloEbermann I think JavaScript. — ASCIIThenANSI Sep 24 '15 at 19:08

Agh help that's so off

someone

"static" must be a es9 feature to enable static typing for a method.

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@someone why not full typing

@someone also that is the least of the issues with that

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10:41 AM

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Q: Prime Factoral Roots

Inspired by digital roots, the prime factoral root of a number is the number that emerges when you take the prime factors of a number, add them together, and repeat the process on the resulting number, continuing until you end up with a prime number (which has itself as its only prime factor, and...

code-golf number primes

Neil

static is a keyword when defining an ES class method

if you write class Foo { static Bar() {} } then you invoke Bar using Foo.Bar();

if you write class Foo { Bar() {} } then you invoke Bar using (new Foo).Bar();

you can even define both in the same class!

Ven

10:59 AM

writing (new Foo).Bar() instead of new Foo().Bar(); ;o)...

.oO( We F# now )

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@Ven the () is optional is why

Ven

well no: new Foo.Bar() isn't the same as new Foo().Bar().

i cri everytim

11:37 AM

wait wat

what is new Foo

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@Ven of course not...

@Ven that means you're trying to construct a Foo.Bar...

@icrieverytim JS object construction syntax

Ven

@icrieverytim new Foo and new Foo() are the same thing.

but new Foo.Bar() and new Foo().Bar() are different.

i cri everytim

@ASCII-only ._. i know what construction syntax is

@Ven oh that's weird

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@Ven Of course... (new Foo).Bar() is the same as new Foo().Bar(), new Foo.Bar() is the same as new (Foo.Bar)

TuxCopter

halp, my audio stopped working (Gentoo)

I was playing supertuxkart and my audio randomly stopped working

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11:40 AM

> supertuxcart

TuxCopter

?

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:| why

TuxCopter

why what

Anonymous

@TuxCopter We are not your personal tech support

TuxCopter

yes but I tought people here would have an idea what could have happened

Anonymous

11:43 AM

Not without more detail, and if you're going to provide more detail, you might as well go to U&L

TuxCopter

the kernel module got unloaded for some reason >_>

orlp

@LeakyNun that's where you went wrong

the pesto creates the flavour of the dish

also, pepper, salt and other spices are your friends

@flawr btw neil had already found me (afaik the best possible) formula: math.stackexchange.com/questions/4632/…

@flawr and some formulas from mathworld.wolfram.com/Dice.html

Neil

That starred message of Helka Homba made me think of codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/57753/17602

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only Not sure. If I happen to have some free time, I might remake Proton, or if I'm feeling really ambitious, maybe I'll respec if and make Neutrino, but unless there are parts of the Proton syntax that people really want changed, I actually personally think that Proton's syntax isn't too bad (like especially the function chaining stuff). I might need to change up the OOP a bit, which would technically be a respec but not really enough change for me to rename it.

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12:55 PM

@icrieverytim what do you mean by \r being the sane way to get newlines

i cri everytim

Sane as in the regular, non cursor positioning affected, newlines :P

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oh haha

Neil

relative newlines have their uses too!

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i thought relative newlines would be used more >_>

i cri everytim

Speaking of cool s chains

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A: Draw an S-Chain

Retina, 37 bytes .* $* 1 \¶| | |¶ \ ^ ^¶ / $ /¶ v Try it online! I must be missing something, this is a super basic approach...

How did I out-golf two answers with the most basic approach o0

caird coinheringaahing

1:18 PM

@icrieverytim ,,, broke the snippet for the OEIS page, so I changed the answer slightly. Can you check it and make sure it's ok?

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@MartinEnder Retina documentation formatting is broken here

@Neil random question: is there any feature Charcoal doesn't have yet that would be useful

Neil

if I think of one I'll let you know

ASCII-only

Apart from more reflection of course :P

Sherlock9

Hey @Mego, what happened to the Actually builtins that split lists by length and by number of chunks?

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 ╪ and ╡?

Anonymous

1:27 PM

Are they broken or something?

Sherlock9

Can't find them in the docs

Er, in commands.txt

Anonymous

D8 and B5, respectively

Sherlock9

Never mind, my dumb bookmarks have messed with me

My commands.txt bookmark was in the v1 branch for some reason

Anonymous

That will cause problems :P

Sherlock9

Also, I forget what this builtin is called, but is there a builtin equivalent to @+ where you append to the end of a list?

Anonymous

1:36 PM

Not really

Martin Ender

@ASCII-only thanks, fixed

ASCII-only

yay Charcoal string.split(number) finally splits a string into chunks of length n

Anonymous

I typically don't make builtins for 2-byte stuff unless it's broadly applicable (for example, ╙ is 2**a, which is equivalent to 2ⁿ).

Anonymous

While using ╙ instead of 2ⁿ is only -1 byte in isolation, doing ♂╙ instead of ⌠2ⁿ⌡M is -3, and is used fairly often

Sherlock9

I made a 30-byte Actually answer for that S-chain challenge

Anonymous

1:46 PM

Clever

Sherlock9

Thanks :D

I'm thinking of trying that approach with Jelly as well

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

26 Singers, 26 Letters code-golf hashing According to RollingStone, below are the 26 greatest singers of all time: Aretha Franklin Al Green Ray Charles Robert Plant Elvis Presley Mick Jagger Sam Cooke Tina Turner John Lennon Freddie Mer...

Sherlock9

2:01 PM

I'm not sure why, but this code does not appear to be splitting the string

HyperNeutrino

@Sherlock9 Jelly outputs lists of strings all joined together. Append a Y to see the result divided onto separate lines

Sherlock9

Oh I see. Thanks :D

HyperNeutrino

No problem :)

Sherlock9

I have another bug: “\|||\”ẋ“ ^ /”;“/ v”ṭs1j“ ”s5Y

Erik the Outgolfer

> “\|||\”ẋ“ ^ /”

does that make sense

also

Sherlock9

2:11 PM

I think what's happening is that “/ v”ṭ isn't appending properly

Erik the Outgolfer

> j“ ”

10/10

Sherlock9

Or appending as I expect

K didn't seem to work on that bit

HyperNeutrino

well fun fact it does xD

Erik the Outgolfer

hmm...

HyperNeutrino

Also, your v is in the wrong position. It doesn't have enough leading spaces to be in the right place

Erik the Outgolfer

2:12 PM

@Sherlock9 think I've found the bug

HyperNeutrino

Your s1 is causing the bug.

Sherlock9

I think I've found the bug: “\|||\”ẋ“ ^ /”;“/ v”;@Ks5Y

HyperNeutrino

tio.run/##y0rNyan8//9Rw5yYmpqamEcNcx/… (nvm this is too long)

Erik the Outgolfer

@Sherlock9 “\|||\”ẋ“ ^ /”;;“/ v”Ks5Y

you can just do the swap yourself

Sherlock9

Thank you very much :)

Poke

3:30 PM

My friend: I noticed that [this] request header still gets logged
Guy he is talking to: Is this something added by the proxy layer above me?
My friend: it is in staging, yes
Guy he is talking to: Is there a way to avoid logging it?
My friend: o.O you're asking me? aren't you the one logging it? are you asking for e.g., a regex to avoid it?

sigh

Ell

3:43 PM

Hi folks

seeing as there is no topic in discussion

I would like to ask for matlab help

I'm trying to index a submatrix by using a topleft and bottom right coordinate

the only way I can think is by doing: parent(tl(1:1):br(1:1), tl(2:2):br(2:2))

which is not ideal

I would like to do something like parent(tl, br) but this doesn't work

any ideas?

caird coinheringaahing

Any help for tagging a question I'm about to post? This is the (very) basic idea

HyperNeutrino

code-golf math

Thomas Ward

@Ell cough StackOverflow? cough

Ell

@ThomasWard I suppoooose :3

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Yeah, I got those, but couldn't think of anything else

HyperNeutrino

3:57 PM

I can't think of any either rip

H.PWiz

arithmetic?

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino You just assumed that it's code golf?

HyperNeutrino

whoops :P

(insert self-righteous post saying "did you just assume my scoring system?")

caird coinheringaahing

We haven't had a good code bowling for a while

HyperNeutrino

yeah because that tag is now forbidden

Thomas Ward

4:01 PM

code bowling?

lol

HyperNeutrino

Code Bowling was officially banished from PPCG...

a while ago...

Thomas Ward

yeah I'd have assumed so lol

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Is it? I thought it was like pop cons: Some okay, most not

HyperNeutrino

nope it was burninated

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino No it wasn't

HyperNeutrino

4:06 PM

no?

huh

nvm then I thought it was formally killed

I know underhanded was definitely killed

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino underhanded and code trolling are the only ones killed IIRC

HyperNeutrino

oh code trolling

that was the other one lol

yeah CB wasn't exactly deleted but it's hard to make good ones :P so yeah you're right :P

caird coinheringaahing

And posted!

AdmBorkBork

4:22 PM

> How many developers does it take to change a light bulb? None; that's a hardware problem.

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Q: Exponentiation to multiplication to addition

Multiplication between 2 integers can be reduced into a series of addition like so 3 * 5 = 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 5 + 5 + 5 Exponentiation (raising a to the power b) can also be reduced into a series of multiplications: 5 ^ 3 = 5 * 5 * 5 Therefore, exponentiation can be reduced into a series o...

code-golf math arithmetic

i cri everytim

@cairdcoinheringaahing ha that's what the name was designed for :P in any case, "commata" is fine thanks :D

Helka Homba

Pixel 2 coming youtu.be/0YGoxbeSzLc

mınxomaτ

@HelkaHomba Pet pig...

Webster

hello

I'm not a programmer but I've been thinking of a program which might make a good challenge

Helka Homba

4:34 PM

@mınxomaτ huh?

mınxomaτ

> It's not an intruder, it's just my pet pig

She said, streaming her pet pig on the Nest camera thing

caird coinheringaahing

@Webster Ooh, do tell

Webster

have you heard of the game Jotto?

It's like mastermind but it uses words

5 letter words

with no repeating letters

no proper nouns, so scrabble words

you cannot use the same word twice

caird coinheringaahing

That sounds interesting. I would recommend posting it here if you're going to make it into a challenge

Webster

a strategy at the beginning is to guess unique words

if you can come up with 5 words that don't repeat any letters you would have a perfect6 starting set

caird coinheringaahing

4:42 PM

@Webster So is the challenge to guess the word?

Webster

Challenge: a program to ransack the english dictionary and produce sets of 5 jotto words that d not repeat any letters

basically divide the 5 vowels into 5 words

the 5 words would leave one letter left in the alphabet, fine for the game

caird coinheringaahing

@Webster In that case, you'd have to provide the dictionary, as they vary from dictionary to dictionary

Webster

scrabble dictionary

divide the alphabet into 5 words

should I write it up as a challenge?

the game is to guess the word

the challenge is to game the game

caird coinheringaahing

@Webster Sounds fun. I'd would definitely post it in the sandbox (the link up ^ there), just to get some feedback and clarifications

Webster

cool, I will

where can I go for some javascript troubleshooting?

caird coinheringaahing

4:46 PM

@Webster Stack Overflow?

Webster

i posted a question there

wheres codegolf sandbox?

AdmBorkBork

What's to prevent just finding five words and then simply hardcoding the five words into the answers?

caird coinheringaahing

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Q: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

What is the Sandbox? This "Sandbox" is a place where Programming Puzzles & Code Golf (PPCG) users can get feedback on prospective challenges they wish to post to the main page. This is useful because writing a clear and fully specified challenge on the first try can be difficult. There is a much...