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1:00 PM
chrome dev mobile, the bar is below now, and its awkward using SE chat with the bar below
@Adám BST which is GMT+1
Nailed it
1:20 PM
@Nobody Can you send an image of that?
@Adám In terms of making custom operators, I decided to have two stages of execution after the entire thing is converted into lists of (Python) functions, where the first will apply the operators using overloaded operators and the second will apply the resulting functions
:D I can edit SO posts now without needing approval
@HyperNeutrino Uh, ok. I'm not sure I understand, but then again, I don't care much about how things are implemented, as long as the UX is good. However, you wanted feedback on your bracket/parens/braces notation. Did you conclude anything regarding operators?
I decided to use alpha and omega to represent the left and right operands as functions and two other characters to get n operands to the left or n operands to the right, and essentially it just treats alpha and omega as an n-ary function (depending on the function). So essentially instead of writing +/ you can also write +(<alpha>/)
It'll make more sense when I actually implement it :P
What are you implementing, @HyperNeutrino?
how custom operators (like in APL) will work in my golflang
1:49 PM
oh, nice
Have you named it yet?
@HyperNeutrino user-defined functions or operators?
using a Dyalog-like mechansm?
kind of
the golflang is heavily inspired by Jelly and APL :P
1:55 PM
> NASA: After experiencing a hair-raising systems failure during a space walk, the team started looking into Node.js
(I mean the ⍺(⍺⍺F⍵⍵)⍵ thing)
yeah that's inspired by APL
Using ⍺⍺ for left operator doesn't make sense though because it's 2 bytes and that's too long :P
true :P
So ⍺⍵ for left/right functions and something else for values
I'm also overriding some functions to work on functions
@Downgoat that's... interesting, I guess?
1:58 PM
@J.Salle I call The Onion!
@Ven perhaps
what is an onion
something perl users love to state
@HyperNeutrino A (practically) untraceable routing system
1:59 PM
oh something like TOR?
(wait... tor is just The Onion Router isn't it?)
TOR stands for The Onion Router
ah ok
it's a 'browser' that implements the onion routing routines
it's firefox isn't it?
But what @Ven meant was that fake news site
2:00 PM
oh ok
...I'm not sure I'd call that a "fake news" site.
Also the joke wrt perl was about yearly perl talks named "The state of the onion"
Well not fake news
Satyrical news is more accurate
how about an "alternate facts" site
hi DJ
@HyperNeutrino if you named your golflang v would it be too close to V?
2:04 PM
I mean given that this is the internet and people tend to not capitalize things properly (like I just did, and like you just did :P), it would get confusing
Even if you call it nu ?
@HyperNeutrino what's the golflang?
He hasn't named it yet
@cairdcoinheringaahing list/number-oriented unnamed language
@HyperNeutrino You mean like Cthulhu?
2:07 PM
idk never looked at cthulhu
@HyperNeutrino ... Unfortunately, it looks like someone (Xcoder) beat you to that idea as a language :P
well I know list/number isn't an original idea :P
Btw @cairdcoinheringaahing I think there's a typo in your latest sandbox post at (...)and the robbers, given the final grid, have to find the rules used by the robber. Shouldn't it be to find the rules used by the cop ?
I'd comment in the post but I don't have enough rep >.>
@J.Salle Ah, thanks for spotting that. Fixing
@J.Salle brb, upvoting you :P (although I think I've already upvoted your Python answer)
No probs o/
I never posted a python answer though hahahah, only java and jelly
2:12 PM
@J.Salle Huh. I must have you confused with another new user.
> only java and jelly
Probably hahahah
the least golfy language and the golfiest language :P
Yeah the Java answer was a trial, then I went to jelly because apparently I hate myself that much
2:14 PM
@HyperNeutrino Do like ngn/apl; use and instead of ⍺⍺ and ⍵⍵.
@cairdcoinheringaahing a language literally made by Satan's Son.
+1 to that.
@J.Salle Yeah, that's me :P
@Adám huh that looks cool :D
Yeah I noticed. The dog gave it away
@J.Salle here, take this slap from a language enthusiast.
2:17 PM
For any J users out there, is the following really true?
> J
This is a serious language that gets used in the finance industry, believe it or not.
@cairdcoinheringaahing True. But I think it gets more used by mathematicians and scientists.
@cairdcoinheringaahing I've heard that too
J is similar to APL in that it looks like a golflang but is not actually :P
ಠ_ಠ What is wrong with the finance industry?
The finance industry uses K for speed and APL for applications.
2:18 PM
@JohnDvorak I don't think I get it? rofl
wait so there's R, S, J, K, C, and D; what other letters are there? ಠ_ಠ
@HyperNeutrino A, B and F
there's also F#, C#, C++
ilke y D:
@cairdcoinheringaahing ~CAPITALISM~
also V but that's a golflang
Sep 19 at 17:28, by Adám
CMC: Given a letter, return ONLY, and only ONE programming language name that begins with that.
Haha, "D is the better C++."
^ see the messages that follow there.
2:22 PM
Chat uses markdown, right?
@cairdcoinheringaahing Hey, it says M# but not Dennis' M.
@J.Salle Broken markdown, yes.
@Adám Yeah, I think it only counts production languages
@Adám He's got you there:P
Nope, it lists I and O.
> I is a J-inspired language, which wants to widen the focus on arrays to more data structures.
> O is a stack based language with one letter commands. For example, "io" reads a line of input (i) and then prints it (o).
2:24 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing Listed on TIO as recreational (per my request)
Yeah I just did that because of that page caird linked
@cairdcoinheringaahing The O Language is an esoteric programming language used for code-golf.
'twas a jest >.>
tis but a jest?
P′′ seems like a fairly interesting language: P′′ is primitive formal language from 1964. It was the first language without GOTO proven Turing-complete. Brainfuck is P′′ plus IO.
2:26 PM
is there a language named E? Someone should write a program in E which outputs a program in I which outputs a program in O which outputs a program in I which outputs a program in O which outputs the lyrics to Old MacDonald Had a Farm
@Ven 'twas*
> The E programming language is a quite unique language. It focuses on distributed programming and especially on making that secure through capabilities.
also, GOTO is evile. Use COMEFROM instead
@Neil you missed the CMC tag
2:26 PM
(Intercal lol)
@HyperNeutrino You do know why that is, right?
@cairdcoinheringaahing has anyone answered the OEIS challenge in malbolge yet?
Jelly automatically Python-evals input if possible without erroring
@J.Salle There are almost 200 languages used. I can't remember them all. But I don't think so
2:28 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah I know, I just thought anything in malbolge would be easy to remember hahahahah
@J.Salle use code snippet to search ಠ_ಠ
@HyperNeutrino no idea how to do that, I'm a SE n00b
CMC: Output ¡¢£¤¥¦©¬®µ½¿€ÆÇÐÑ×ØŒÞßæçðıȷñ÷øœþ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmno‌​pqrstuvwxyz{|}~¶°¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁺⁻⁼⁽⁾ƁƇƊƑƓƘⱮƝƤƬƲȤɓƈɗƒɠɦƙɱɲƥʠɼʂƭʋȥẠḄḌẸḤỊḲḶṂṆỌṚṢṬỤṾẈỴẒȦḂĊ‌​ḊĖḞĠḢİĿṀṄȮṖṘṠṪẆẊẎŻạḅḍẹḥịḳḷṃṇọṛṣṭụṿẉỵẓȧḃċḋėḟġḣŀṁṅȯṗṙṡṫẇẋẏż«»‘’“” (Jelly code page). You may use any inputs if you want.
@cairdcoinheringaahing Jelly, 2 bytes: ØJ
@HyperNeutrino I can do it in 0
2:29 PM
well yeah if you take the codepage as input
that doesn't count ಠ_ಠ
but fine Jelly, 0 bytes: tio.run/##y0rNyan8DwLJ@Smp8QWJ6akA
@HyperNeutrino Yay for Jelly hacks :P
Someone should code a lang called ಠ_ಠ
@J.Salle Already been done
2:32 PM
A: Simple cat program

Mama Fun Rollಠ_ಠ, 7 bytes ಠ_ಠ Try it now! ಠ_ಠ This isn't even a code-golfing language.

People are amazing
They can read minds of people ~in the future~ ⚆_⚆
@J.Salle Why do you keep prepending/appending ~ to some words?
emphasis probably
@cairdcoinheringaahing it's a common practice doing that here, it's like the word is waving its arms or something?
'here' as in where I live
@J.Salle If you say so :P
2:38 PM
it's ~fancy text~
~very fancy~
_*~**very very fancy**~*_
what is wrong with markdown
hello world ?
Of course, you could just use these?


Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...
:P sure
but I'm done I just needed to see if nesting markdown is bad which it isn't
@cairdcoinheringaahing that's waaaay too fancy
2:41 PM
@J.Salle Gives you good copy paste practice, a necessity when learning Jelly :P
@cairdcoinheringaahing That's indeed good training
having two monitors also helps a lot
Wait, can the Community user edit locked posts?
I froze my Stack Exchange page
@Neil Good luck. I cannot output clean strings without double quotes.
@Adám took me a few seconds to understand that
2:49 PM
@J.Salle Statements about programming languages tend to take much longer for people to understand when about I than about other languages.
@HyperNeutrino What? I doesn't have network capabilities, afaik.
That's completely comprehensible.
@Adám well my MSE format sandbox answer page :P
anyway gtg now o/
@HyperNeutrino cya o/
@Adám I don't think he meant the language
chat is confuse
2:55 PM
@J.Salle Especially when people make spelling errors :P
huh, I got starred for that?
@cairdcoinheringaahing it was on purpose though
@Neil 3 times, apparently
3 hours later…
5:29 PM
Can everyone else see github profile pictures?
They're showing up fine for me
@cairdcoinheringaahing i.stack.imgur.com/CIYGw.png bad onebox
Huh, they don't work for me. Weird
CMC: Given a list of vectors, determine whether the final shape "drawn" is a regular shape. Example: [(3, 4), (4, -3), (-3, 4), (-4, -3)] => True (forms a square), [(1, 0), (1, 0), (0, 1), (1, 1), (-3, -2)] => False
Define regular shape
@DJMcMayhem regular polyglon
5:53 PM
Hmm, this actually looks quite difficult. Any thoughts on transferring it to main?
I don't think it's difficult, it's just complex to implement
Challenging, I guess?
@cairdcoinheringaahing check if it's a duplicate lol
@Adám I just realised that you put Fourier on the app ad :D
@BetaDecay the transform?
6:15 PM
which answer from codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/143772/… should I accept?
@Lembik Since you tagged it as code-golf, you should probably accept the overall shortest answer?
@J.Salle ok but I feel that the javascript one needs to be tested and I don't know how to do that
can you test it?
@Mr.Xcoder You're back!
Yeah I am
Are links on profiles of suspended users disabled?
@cairdcoinheringaahing You up for some Jelly training? I miss it soo much
6:19 PM
@Mr.Xcoder As in the links on your profile? Yes, so that you can't be targeted as a "punishment" for getting suspended
o ok
@Mr.Xcoder I feel really bad now. I have a bunch of homework so have to do, so bit right now unfortunately D:
@cairdcoinheringaahing Good luck doing them all! I've had a ton too today, and finally I'm done with them
@Lembik which answer is it?
@Mr.Xcoder Huh, weird. You can chat, but your profile still says you have 1 rep
6:22 PM
it doesn't?
@cairdcoinheringaahing It takes a little while for the rep to be reinstalled
@EriktheOutgolfer it does for me too
not anymore now
for me it says "3475" which is also weird
if you mean that
Nope 12551
@HyperNeutrino Now I have to catch up with you
12551 is your normal
6:23 PM
That is displayed for me
for me it...what is displayed for you? for me it displays that cache 3475
Yeah, it's back for me now
but not on chat? Weird
it could need up to an hour to catch up?
That is the network rep, which is not reinstalled yet
Woah a penguin with sunglasses
@Mr.Xcoder I renamed the Deorst/Cthulhu room for the new name of 2Deorstv (Levant)
6:25 PM
actually, can anyone test codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/143810/9206 for me please!
I saw but couldn't respond
I have no idea how to do it
@BetaDecay It is just the userscript background.
@Mr.Xcoder Yep. Imagine what your profile would look like with sunglasses :P
6:26 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing Umm, you will see how it looks soon
@Lembik this is hard to test because rottentomatoes' policies on their API usage
@J.Salle It's highly unclear to me what they mean for us. I mean I haven't signed a contract with them
and I am not even in the same country as them
and I am not selling anything or making any money
@Lembik I've said it before. There is no point in accepting an answer. Most code golfs don't, and it just isn't done a lot anymore. Plus, you avoid all this hassle about it
not much can be done about it though
@cairdcoinheringaahing ok :) Although Shaggy might be disappointed
I would still like to know if the Stratos answer works!
6:29 PM
@Lembik Shaggy's an adult, I'm sure he'll get over it :P
@Lembik No one can really test it, because it is Java-based
@cairdcoinheringaahing how do you know!?
@Mr.Xcoder is that a Java joke? Sorry for being dim
why can't Java based code be run?
It can be ran
6:30 PM
@Lembik He is quite open about being older than basically everyone here :P
Not on TiO = hard to test
@cairdcoinheringaahing ah :)
@J.Salle yes!
It's just that no one bothers to install a JavaIDE to test it :D
ah yes :)
Anyway, I have homework to do, toodles o/
6:30 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing cya \o
in any case... I have added a bounty now for the more interesting (in my view) find-a-movie challenge
@cairdcoinheringaahing bye
it's even almost useful :)
If anyone knows of a news source or website that decides to feature the Tetris in CGOL challenge, could they post it in a comment on that challenge?
that was pretty cool
hacker news did iirc
hence an uptick of off-topic questions :p
6:35 PM
My ghast is totally flabbered! :)
@Lembik I just read that same comment hahahah
@Lembik heh that's a comment there
CMC: Given an integer N, return all the integers K such that 1 ≤ K < N and gcd(K, N) = 1.
@EriktheOutgolfer yes!
56 -> [1, 3, 5, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 23, 25, 27, 29, 31, 33, 37, 39, 41, 43, 45, 47, 51, 53, 55]
Basically all the coprimes with N in the range [1, N)
6:38 PM
jelly, 6 bytes (untested): ṖgỊ¥Ðf
@Mr.Xcoder SOGL, 7 bytes: H∫gH‽FO probably correct
@dzaima Incorrect, it includes N itself
that's weird, given gcd(N, N) = N
Bug probably
@EriktheOutgolfer Also g³ỊµÐf (6 bytes)
I'm sure we can do it in 5, not sure how though
but does Ðf make a range?
6:42 PM
Doesn't it?
no it errors
still doesn't save any for my approach though
@Mr.Xcoder SOGL, 6 bytes: ∫gH‽FP - the reason itself was printed because I didn't use an implicit printing disabling output (and which I attemted to fix by decreasing the number of iterations before..)
@Mr.Xcoder Jelly, 5 bytes: g€=1T
6:44 PM
Now Leaky comes in and outgolfs us..
@LeakyNun I can do it in 4.
yes me too
and the approaches are similar
No we cannot
It doesn't work
but we can do it in 5
VTC request?
@Mr.Xcoder Jelly, 4 bytes: gRỊT
6:45 PM
This sounds like a reverse auction
@LeakyNun Yeah, I had smth like that in mind
"Here's 6 bytes" "I can do it in 5!"
@Adám Huh, I didn't know that
@Mr.Xcoder APL, 6: ⍸1=⊢∨⍳
@LeakyNun Are you up for some Jelly training?
And Erik too?
6:47 PM
not rn
I just went to my room
He's up for some grit.
I got a million things to do
Ok, sure
Good luck I guess
6:47 PM
I think it's actually gṖỊT
gRỊT and gṖỊT both work
but the former includes n
keep gRỊT for the lulz
what's ? Searching Jelly's wiki is failing me
@EriktheOutgolfer Well GCD(N,N)>1, so it gets excluded
6:49 PM
@Neil z[:-1]
anyways the latter is more effective
how does that replace R?
6:50 PM
1 min ago, by Mr. Xcoder
@EriktheOutgolfer Well GCD(N,N)>1, so it gets excluded
@Neil It forms R[:-1]
Like [1,N) instead of [1, N]. It operates on an implicit range
@EriktheOutgolfer @LeakyNun 3 bytes now: gÐṂ
@Mr.Xcoder nope
@Mr.Xcoder you win
1 -> [1]
6:52 PM
doesn't it return a list of 1s or am I tired?
@EriktheOutgolfer the latter
btw not really focused atm
nor am I
just a random idea
@EriktheOutgolfer I did
6:56 PM
it's quite different approach imo
should post it
I am
Q: Coding Help For Questions

Hannah GrantUse an if/else statement to see if age is less than 60, then display alerts depending on the result Push a third question to the questions array Push an array of possible answers for the question you just created to the answers array Add if and else if statements to the score-checking to incremen...

@EriktheOutgolfer Posted. Thanks!
Woah Yass! It's a first for me :DD
btw dennis being 100% optimal is a total myth, I have outgolfed him in the past too, and user61231 did too

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