The Nineteenth Byte

Adám

17:00

TITLE 'SPECIAL EMERGENCY CANCEL COMMAND FOR APL/360-OS ' C046

Beta Decay

Adám's new ad gave me idea for the mobile app. What do you think? codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13987/30525

Adám

@BetaDecay Yeah, the design is… Ugh!

J. Salle

IBM employees had a sense of humour back in the 70s, eh? Hahahahah

Beta Decay

@Adám Mm, I'm afraid that's the best I can do

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám you were warned :p

(although a bit...late if I may say so)

J. Salle

17:03

That APL Autumn Codegolf banner looks great

Adám

BEWARE OF SEEMINGLY CORRECT OPERATION

REAL MOTHER TASK ..

Erik the Outgolfer

tfw you read "just 1 byte"

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer What challenge?

Erik the Outgolfer

a comment

although that's not important

I can understand why they say so, it's just the feeling you initially get a little bit

caird coinheringaahing

Also, if a language had the commands: add the inputs, prime test the inputs and given a starting configuration, simulate GoL, does that make it a) Turing-complete and b) able to be used here?

Erik the Outgolfer

17:06

what are the "inputs"?

J. Salle

@EriktheOutgolfer just wait. In a couple of weeks they'll be like OMFG I SAVED A FRIGGIN BYTE YEAH

Erik the Outgolfer

also a) implies b)

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer CLA's for instance

Erik the Outgolfer

@J.Salle depends on situation

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer Well, in case a) was "no", then I wanted to include b) as a follow-up question

Erik the Outgolfer

17:07

and if the byte save is clever or trivial

@cairdcoinheringaahing just sayin'

the way you phrased it seems like you're asking if both are true

J. Salle

@EriktheOutgolfer fair enough

Erik the Outgolfer

;p

also @cairdcoinheringaahing I think gol is turing-complete so yes a) will most probably be true

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer Thanks. Brb, making that language :P

Erik the Outgolfer

good luck simulating gol

btw you'd need arbitrary bounds

J. Salle

Yeah I'd love to see a language with a documentation like: Function X: Simulates GoL

caird coinheringaahing

17:09

@EriktheOutgolfer I've done it on a non-infinite board size, which is the best that can be currently done

Erik the Outgolfer

@cairdcoinheringaahing making it theoretically infinite is what makes it tc

caird coinheringaahing

@J.Salle HQ9++ says that the command ++ makes it tc. Doesn't say how though :P

J. Salle

@cairdcoinheringaahing ~magic~

caird coinheringaahing

@J.Salle s/magic/Jelly Oh, wait. They're the same thing :P

J. Salle

Rofl

caird coinheringaahing

17:12

> ++: Increment the accumulator twice, and instantiate an object of a new sub class of the generic super class. Due to the best principles of object hiding, this object cannot be accessed in any way.

Really, HQ9++? That's more useless than + in the original

Erik the Outgolfer

tl;dr: nothing

it's really just HQ9 but + doesn't cause syntax error

caird coinheringaahing

Does a page on esolangs.org about esolangs count as a quine?

:P

J. Salle

Depends on whether you consider quines only for programming languages or for anything, I guess?

Erik the Outgolfer

what if "Text" was considered a programming language

it's only capable of producing quines

and it's output only, finite output

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer That's a subset of Charcoal

J. Salle

17:16

Willing to bet that someone would manage to use it to solve a challenge.

Erik the Outgolfer

@cairdcoinheringaahing but some chars do different things in charcoal

it's neither a subset nor a superset imo

Poke

@EriktheOutgolfer it's not turing complete so i don't think it could compete on ppcg

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer Yeah, but all ascii characters are outputted in charcoal, so literal quines are very easy, just like in "Text"

@Poke Languages don't have to be tc, just be able to add numbers and perform a prime test

Erik the Outgolfer

on top of that I don't think that rule is effective anymore

(although some still do consider it to be)

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer Some people have done that.

IMO, such answers are only worthy of downvotes.

Funky Computer Man

17:19

@Poke You don't need to be a language to compete

Poke

@cairdcoinheringaahing k well "Text" can't take input so this still doesn't work

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Not unless the solution is genuinely clever. But 99% of the time, downvote into oblivion

Poke

@FunkyComputerMan Most challenges ask for programs or functions. How do you answer without a language

J. Salle

It could take input if we build an interpreter I guess?

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing If you can show me an answer written in "text" that is actually genuinely clever, I'll eat my hat.

caird coinheringaahing

17:22

@Poke Check his latest challenge :P

Poke

@cairdcoinheringaahing That would be why I said "most"

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Sorry, let me change that to "99.9999999...% of the time, downvote into oblivion" :P

Erik the Outgolfer

well your "language" is the set of axioms

@cairdcoinheringaahing why not just 100%

Adám

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer Just in case someone disproves me. Preparing for the corner cases :P

Erik the Outgolfer

17:23

that's nice

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám that's very nice

partial ninja

Erik the Outgolfer

well it looks like the userscript

Funky Computer Man

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Q: Do submissions have to be answered with a programming language?

We've got various answers strewn across meta that tell different stories: On the standard loopholes, we disallow answers that aren't programming languages. This appears to be the most definitive answer of the lot. It has a vote count of 16/-8. However, on a question that asks "Should answers ...

discussion

Erik the Outgolfer

@FunkyComputerMan thanks I was looking for it

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer That's because the PPCG app will look like the userscript.

Beta Decay

17:24

@Adám Mm that's nice. I'll add it now

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám umm...citation please? how can you be sure? :p

J. Salle

@cairdcoinheringaahing mathematically 99.9999999... = 100

Thomas Ward

@J.Salle I challenge you to prove this. :P

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer special features as found in the graduation design userscript I read that as meaning the design too. Even if not, the app has a relationship to the userscript, and will look good with it turned on.

J. Salle

@ThomasWard if you transform it into a fraction you get 999-99/9 = 900/9 = 100

DJMcMayhem

17:27

@ThomasWard It's easy if you acknowledge that the notation ... means the previous digit or sequence of digits repeated an infinite number of times

caird coinheringaahing

@J.Salle 99.9 recurring != 100

J. Salle

Well (999-99)/9*

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing That is completely false.

Erik the Outgolfer

$99.\overline9=100$ wat

J. Salle

@DJMcMayhem that's how I learned it hahah

Erik the Outgolfer

17:29

so is $0.\overline3=0.4$ true in the same sense as $99.\overline9=100$???

Beta Decay

@ThomasWard x=99.9999..., 10x = 999.9999...., 10x = 900 + x, 9x = 900 => x = 100

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Why does C need a separate void to interpret Deadfish?

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer No because 0.3¯¯¯ == 1/3 and 1/3 < 0.4

I have no idea how to draw that bar

Thomas Ward

i think i started hell...

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem only in latex afaik

caird coinheringaahing

17:30

@ThomasWard Hell is going into the Maths chatroom and saying the same thing :P

Adám

@J.Salle Mike Mingard made it after I wrote him: Maybe something like: "OPTIMA SYSTEM'S / CODEGOLF / ○ AN APL TOURNAMENT ○ / ○ WITH REAL LIFE PRICES ○" You could even just use your grass background with your existing logo, and just add two lines of text in the subtitle font.

Erik the Outgolfer

also honestly how do you prove $99.\overline9=100$?

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing perhaps you should :P

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer 0.9999... equals 9(1/10)^1 + 9(1/10)^2 + 9(1/10)^3 ... 9(1/10)^N as N approaches infinity. The limit of that sum is 1.

varsitytutors.com/hotmath/hotmath_help/topics/…

wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/…

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard I would, but you ninja'd me :P

Also, I hate OO based languages. C# needs a class to interpret a language with 4 commands

Erik the Outgolfer

17:33

@DJMcMayhem you could also argue that $0.\overline01=0$ so $99.\overline9=100-0.\overline01=100-0=100$...?

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing :P

DJMcMayhem

Also, a more intuitive rather than algebraic proof is that if 0.999... < 1, then there exists an n such that 0.999... + n == 1. What is that n? Because it's going to be 0.000...1, but that 1 will only happen after an infinite number of 0's. You can't have something after an infinite sequence.

@EriktheOutgolfer Ha, ninja'd sort of

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard Although... now you have to deal with them rather than me, so thanks :P

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing unless my internet dies

which is 100% likely

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard RIP Lasereyes' internet.

Thomas Ward

17:34

no, RIP Penn State Library internet connection due to maintenance

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem hmm...it's just kinda unbelievable how $99.\overline9=100$ actually holds true isn't it

Poke

@cairdcoinheringaahing i think they're supernovas

not lasers

DJMcMayhem

It's because your intuition of numbers breaks down once you start dealing with infinity.

J. Salle

@EriktheOutgolfer Calculus is ~magic~ I guess?

DJMcMayhem

TBH, it's really the same thing as 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8... == 1

caird coinheringaahing

17:36

@Poke Sacrilegious! They are widely known to be universe-destroying lasers!

DJMcMayhem

Because as long as you actually do that and actually add them together, you'll never technically reach 1, but if you do it to infinity, the limit is 1, so for all intents and purposes, the infinite sum is 1.

And in binary, that's like saying 0.1111111 == 1, which is pretty equivalent to 0.99999 == 1 in decimal

@cairdcoinheringaahing so tempted to unstar...

:P

Thomas Ward

@DJMcMayhem You really should join us...

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer Have you studied any calculus?

caird coinheringaahing

Given that you have to add some number, x to 0.9999..., in order to make 1, 0.999... cannot equal 1

@DJMcMayhem Freedom of speech :P

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing So what is the value of x?

5 mins ago, by DJMcMayhem

Also, a more intuitive rather than algebraic proof is that if 0.999... < 1, then there exists an n such that 0.999... + n == 1. What is that n? Because it's going to be 0.000...1, but that 1 will only happen after an infinite number of 0's. You can't have something after an infinite sequence.

Erik the Outgolfer

17:39

@DJMcMayhem well, kinda although not that much yet I have school requirements and stuff and no time :(

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem 0.000...1

J. Salle

I actually can't stand Calculus

But I like number theory so there's that

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing That value is by definition infinitely small.

The 1 does not exist

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem But it is still a value. Ergo, there is a value between 0.999... and 1

Thomas Ward

@DJMcMayhem this should be argued over in the math room IMO xD

DJMcMayhem

17:40

@cairdcoinheringaahing No, it's not. Because if it comes after an infinite number of 0's, that implies that the infinite number of 0's ends. Otherwise nothing can come after it.

Adám

@DJMcMayhem 1E-∞

Anonymous

lim x->+inf 100-1/10**x = 100. It's wrong to say that 99.999... = 100, because it doesn't. You need to talk about it in the realm of limits for it to make any sense.

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem ^^ What Adam said. Also, this is starting to get into discussions regarding infinity, which tend to break my brain :P

Anonymous

99.999... is infinitely close to 100. The difference is infinitesimal. But infinitesimal is not zero. Welcome to calculus :)

J. Salle

@Mego and that's why I can't stand calculus hahahahahahah

caird coinheringaahing

17:43

Hey, I just realised that a dog and a cat are "fighting" over mathematics :P

Adám

UGH IN APLSASUP

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing And then the penguin with a minor in mathematics steps in to clear it up

Adám

SEE IF MOTHER IS WAITING.…BRANCH IF NOT.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego Yep. That's penguins, the sensible ones :DDD

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing We're cool-headed

J. Salle

17:44

Someone should code a bot that would randomly quote a comment from the APL/360 implementation. (Looking at you, @Adám)

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego at least penguins haven't formed any "alliance" with either dogs or cats afaik...yet

Adám

@J.Salle HAVE WE FOUND OURSELVES

Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer The penguin-cat alliance is strong.

Adám

IN ORDER TO AVOID ABENDING, WE WILL TAKE RELATIVELY DRASTIC ACTION

JAM IT BACK, SOMEONE MAY HAVE GOTTEN STRANDED

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego you mean the penguin-cat-deer alliance or something else??? if the latter, then I really have to start questioning my existence o_o

J. Salle

17:45

That last one is gold

DJMcMayhem

@Adám For some reason, I read that as airbending

Adám

FOLLOWING STATEMENT PRODUCES A HARMLESS ASSEMBLY ERROR

J. Salle

TO AVOID AIRBENDING, THE FIRE NATION WILL KILL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE BALD MONKS

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Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer No, the penguin-cat alliance. I have a cat in my lap.

Adám

MNOTE 7,'ENVIRONMENT CONFUSION.'

Erik the Outgolfer

17:46

...lap? are you sure you're really a penguin?

J. Salle

@Adám How can an assembly error be harmless?

DJMcMayhem

Speaking of Avatar, I am so close to finally finishing season 3. (No spoilers plz)

It's so good

J. Salle

Does it just give the same result?

Adám

SEE IF OS THINKS SELBUSY IS 1…MAKE BUSY, APPENDAGE COULD NOT DO…NOW BUSY, DON'T TRY TO INITIATE…INTERPRETER GETS IT'S OWN TIME

DJMcMayhem

@Adám What are you reading these from?

Adám

17:49

@DJMcMayhem APL\360 source code.

J. Salle

@DJMcMayhem Avatar is great. The last season is the best one IMO

DJMcMayhem

I agree. The first half of season 1 was kinda meh, but then once they got to the north pole, everything got way better.

Although it is a little weird seeing both Aang and Zuko with hair xP

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem How have you managed to miss out on A:tlA for so long?

J. Salle

Hahahah yeah I find the first season kinda slow. Season 2 picks up the pace very nicely though.

Adám

GO PLANT YYCODE IN SVOLDPSW

Anonymous

17:52

@DJMcMayhem The writers found their groove towards the end of Season 1. Most of it was just introducing characters and showing off flaws for future character development.

DJMcMayhem

@Mego idk. I never watched it growing up, so recently I've been watching it with my girlfriend because it's her favorite show of all time.

Adám

VIOLATE MACRO -- REQUEST ANOMALOUS PROTECT EXCEPTION

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Character development is definitely the shows strongest point

Anonymous

@Adám At this point, your random source code quotes are becoming a disruption to other conversations

Adám

@Mego OK, I'll stop.

J. Salle

17:53

@DJMcMayhem Agreed.

@Mego Disagreed.

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Korra (the show and the character) also has great character development

Adám

I should make a collection of "The best of APL\360 source code"

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem I did the same. I only watched half of season 1 when it aired, which my then-girlfriend-now-wife promptly fixed when she found out.

Adám

@J.Salle Mego owns this room.

Anonymous

@Adám That sounds weird but is technically correct based off of the title...

DJMcMayhem

17:56

@Mego XD That's really funny.

TBH, I could put minecraft in the same category lol

Anonymous

I introduced my wife to Minecraft when we started dating. It still hasn't released its grip on her.

J. Salle

The Sims has that same grip on my gf

Also those goddamned idle games

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego Traitor. It seems I now have two RO's against me, not a good position :P

Anonymous

My wife has a terrible habit of downloading a ton of shovelware mobile "games" on her phone. She wonders why the battery dies so quickly.

Adám

@Mego I got my wife hooked on Civilization IV Colonization.

Anonymous

18:00

@cairdcoinheringaahing My alliegiance has always been with calculus

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Anonymous

@Adám My wife got me hooked on Civilization V

DJMcMayhem

@Mego How long have you been married?

Erik the Outgolfer

@cairdcoinheringaahing not that cat

J. Salle

@Mego my gf as well

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Just over a year

DJMcMayhem

18:01

Nice

Adám

@Mego Congrats.

J. Salle

Playing that game on the hardest difficulty will probably give me an aneurism some day

It's infuriating

Anonymous

@Adám THanks

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego that's a nice milestone

DJMcMayhem

Overwatch is another game my gf got me hooked on, but it's a little hard for me to play cause I'm a) not good, and b) waaaay too competitive. So I mostly stick to bots

Erik the Outgolfer

18:03

means you haven't broken up for a whole year or more, needs significant "bonding" to do that imo

DJMcMayhem

Presumably longer than that (since I assume they dated for a while too)

Anonymous

@J.Salle Somehow I managed to get the Flawless Strategy achievement last year, but I don't remember how

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Yep, 3 years of dating prior

Erik the Outgolfer

wow 3 years?

Adám

If a husband subjects himself to lots of acceleration, will his wife then have been married to him longer than he to her?

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DJMcMayhem

18:04

o_O

J. Salle

@Mego I'd be dead before I got that

DJMcMayhem

Sounds like the plot of a weird sci-fi romance drama

Erik the Outgolfer

3 years = you didn't pick your wife randomly at the very least

Anonymous

@Adám No. It's relative velocity that matters, not acceleration. So if you blast a family member out of a cannon, it works.

J. Salle

@Adám does that acceleration speed the husband up to ~86% of the speed of light?

Erik the Outgolfer

18:05

@Adám acceleration can be misleading, and one-way love isn't true love

Scrooble

Ooh, physics jokes? My turn!

Erik the Outgolfer

more like metaphorical

DJMcMayhem

inb4 someone links xkcd.com/514 (NSFW-ish?)

Scrooble

If you cool yourself to -273 degrees Celsius, will you be OK?

J. Salle

@Scrooble I thought of an answer and then... mind: blown.

Erik the Outgolfer

18:07

@DJMcMayhem well, a little bit, although it shows the bad consequences of one-way love

@Mego true love: $\upsilon_{husband}=\upsilon_{wife}$

and $\upsilon>0$

Anonymous

@Scrooble No, you're .15 degrees Celsius off.

flawr

@Scrooble In fact, you're at 0.15K.

Scrooble

Whoops.

J. Salle

@Mego also dead.

flawr

Ninjapenguins, I knew it.

DJMcMayhem

18:09

The penguin would know all about supercooled temperatures

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem That's because penguins are... puts on sunglasses Super cool...

Erik the Outgolfer

@J.Salle well, for the time being nobody has ever managed to freeze somebody to the far future :p

flawr

@Mego so cool that they become super conductive?

Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer Not true. I saw a documentary series about a pizza delivery guy who got cryogenically frozen.

J. Salle

@EriktheOutgolfer fair enough

Erik the Outgolfer

18:11

@Mego [citation-needed]

J. Salle

@Mego to 0K?

Erik the Outgolfer

please

Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer imdb.com/title/tt0149460

J. Salle

Oh wait

@Mego goddamnit I knew that

caird coinheringaahing

I feel lonely now. Everyone here has a significant other :P

Erik the Outgolfer

18:12

@Mego is that proven true?

:p

J. Salle

@EriktheOutgolfer I bet it's even peer-reviewed

Erik the Outgolfer

gtg now bye

DJMcMayhem

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Anonymous

@J.Salle Yep, the other guys in the bathroom loved it

J. Salle

Bye o/

Scrooble

18:12

@cairdcoinheringaahing Everybody save me :(

caird coinheringaahing

@Scrooble Loners unite!

:P

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem 5/10 not vector graphics

DJMcMayhem

@Mego feature-request Change your avatar to that

J. Salle

CMC: Make an ASCII penguin in sunglasses.

caird coinheringaahing

:D Pavel shows up and the first thing he sees is a sunglasses-wearing version of Mego :P

Pavel

18:14

Ikr

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Where is the SVG version of your avatar? I just went off of gravatar.com/avatar/…

Pavel

10/10

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Let me find it again...

Pavel

@J.Salle VTC unclear

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem I wish I could star more than once.

DJMcMayhem

18:14

Also, does GIMP support SVG?

Adám

@J.Salle c8^OY

J. Salle

@Pavel is it bad that I have no idea what is a VTC?

caird coinheringaahing

@J.Salle Vote To Close

J. Salle

@Adám definitely a winner.

flawr

@AlexKChen I don't think it is really makes sense to wrap things in classes as it is now.

J. Salle

18:15

@cairdcoinheringaahing should've figured that.

Adám

27

Q: What are the PPCG specific abbreviations and terms?

Newcomers to PPCG are often compelled to ask what many of our abbreviations and terms mean. Let us list them here so this information always will be easily available.

discussion chat new-users faq-proposed

J. Salle

@Adám Great, thanks

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Don't know. Inkscape does.

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám I think that having your website be included on a list of abbreviations for an entire site, clearly shows that you are doing something right. (TIO to avoid confusion)

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Uh, right, but you should tell Dennis that, not me.

caird coinheringaahing

18:18

@Dennis ^^

@Adám Happy? :P

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Sure.

J. Salle

So, how long should I wait to post my challenge from the sandbox to the main board?

Adám

@J.Salle I usually wait a week.

J. Salle

@Adám Yeah, I thought a week would suffice. Just asking 'cause I've never done that hahah

Adám

Maybe we could post a special tips question asking for a website to try out all programming languages. Then Dennis could answer "TIO" and we could all upvote that post to show our appreciation.

caird coinheringaahing

18:22

@Adám Unfortunately, that would probably count as voting fraud, but you could just give him a bounty when TIO reaches a landmark (400 languages for instance)

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Why would that be voting fraud?

Others could answer with other sites too, and get upvotes for that.

flawr

@J.Salle until you got seme feedback

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám Maybe not voting fraud, but if it were just to upvote Dennis because of TIO, then it wouldn't really be allowed. I don't think it actually violates any rules, just is frowned on

J. Salle

@flawr I've got some already, I just asked 'cause I didn't see anything on the sandbox post suggesting a time span

@cairdcoinheringaahing the question is: is there any other site to try all those sweet golfing languages in one place?

Anonymous

@Adám It would be a dupe of the meta question

Adám

18:26

@Mego Oh, is there one?

Anonymous

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Q: Where to find an online testing environment for specific programming languages?

Here is my scenario. I pose a programming puzzle. It might be golf, or might be something else, but I don't specify the language. Some posts a answer that looks really good, but I don't have a working environment to test it. ??? Profit! Let us compile a list of free execution environments rea...

discussion testing

caird coinheringaahing

@J.Salle Yeah, EsostericIDE is one, repl.it is another. But TIO is undoubtedly the best

flawr

@J.Salle well if you think the flaws are ironed out you can post it, no one is holding you back. Some challenges can be sitting in the sandbox forever while others have some obvious flaws that can be fixed within minutes.

J. Salle

@cairdcoinheringaahing I see.

flawr

and you can always ask for feedback here

caird coinheringaahing

18:27

@flawr yeah, like the 90 upvoted KoTh that's been there since 2014. I wonder when that'll be posted...

J. Salle

@flawr Yeah, I'll just wait a couple more days so people have a chance to actually read it

caird coinheringaahing

@J.Salle I'm just annoyed that it's not an easy Jelly program that I can FGITW it with :(

J. Salle

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hah! It's probably a walk in the park with any language with good string subs builtins, I guess.

caird coinheringaahing

@J.Salle Be prepared for a SOGL answer in the first 10 minutes of posting then

J. Salle

Well, it's not meant to be an extremely difficult challenge. I just thought of it when I passed a building on my way to work the other day, it had a sign written like that.

Well not a sign per se, but a bunch of A4 sheets taped to the windows making a sentence. Some words were too large to fit the windows so I guess they improvised

caird coinheringaahing

18:33

That is the problem with challenges though. They can be extremely easy to think of, but close to impossible to solve glares at Tetris GoL

dzaima

@cairdcoinheringaahing Nope. SOGLs n adds trailing characters by cycling previous ones. And then there'd be the problem that trailing spaces of the nified strings are ignored when adding the words together

Anonymous

Man, it took forever for my avatar to change

J. Salle

@cairdcoinheringaahing Puh-lease! Tetris GoL was solved so easily not

@Mego CIA penguin!

Anonymous

@J.Salle Well, we knew how to solve it. Actually building the pieces and putting them together was the hard part. Really hard challenges are the ones where you sit there and stare at them, not knowing how to begin.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego Hell yeah! You changed it! We officially have the coolest RO of all rooms :P

Actually, I took a double take when you said "we", because you no longer look like Mego at the first glance :P

Anonymous

18:40

I don't know how long I'll keep it like this, because I prefer the transparent background. I suppose it would be easy to add transparency but meh.

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Weird... It should have had transparency since the original one did, and I didn't bother to change it

Just a sec

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego If (when) you do change it back, please add the current one to your profile :P

Leaky Nun

I can write detailedly the motivation behind, or I can completely skip it and write down with results... which should I choose

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem I think the upload to my profile picture messed up the transparency

Leaky Nun

I've already written half a page worth of background

caird coinheringaahing

18:41

@LeakyNun For what?

Leaky Nun

@cairdcoinheringaahing for my next challenge

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Ah, yes. You uploaded it to imgur rather than using gravatar like your last one.

Anonymous

The transparency probably would've worked if I had uploaded it to Gravatar instead of SE

DJMcMayhem

The one I have sitting on my desktop is transparent

caird coinheringaahing

@LeakyNun Write a brief motivation paragraph

DJMcMayhem

18:41

Ninja'd ;P

Leaky Nun

@cairdcoinheringaahing it can't be brief

Anonymous

There, it should work now, after it refreshes

caird coinheringaahing

@LeakyNun Then don't have a motivation part. That isn't really part of the challenge, and shouldn't take up a lot of space

DJMcMayhem

Weird, they have the same URL, but the one in your profile has ?s=328&g=1 appended

Anonymous

I think it's because I uploaded it by URL instead of by image data

Adám

18:47

OK, now I just need one more codegolf challenge for the APL tournament. Anyone have a good idea for something really array oriented?

Anonymous

@Adám What do you have so far?

DJMcMayhem

@Adám I just posted an array oriented challenge yesterday. No APL answers yet

Anonymous

Feel free to use any of my challenges (with attribution, of course)

DJMcMayhem

Technically today actually (silly UTC)

I'm sorry, I take it back

UTC isn't stupid.

Adám

@Mego Generate a bar chart with ten bars. Model disease spread. Chess knight moves. See if there are only two of each unique. GoL. Group elements by value. Find which interval things fall into. Isomorph subarray.

Lembik

18:51

hi all

J. Salle

UTC = GMT?

Neil

@Adám GETS IT'S? Apostrophitis has reached APL\360?

Adám

@J.Salle Mostly.

caird coinheringaahing

@J.Salle 1 hour after IIRC

Adám

@Neil Not the only typo I've seen.

caird coinheringaahing

18:52

20:00 GMT = 19:00 UTC (I think)

Anonymous

@Adám Ooh, modeling disease spread is one of my favorite problems. I should write a challenge about that :P

Anonymous

@J.Salle Depends on DST/BST/whatever iirc

J. Salle

@Neil It's been an issue since the 70s apparently

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám Wait, GoL? How long is a vanilla Life in APL?

Also, how do you make images smaller in posts?

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing Use HTML instead of Markdown

J. Salle

18:54

I never learned UTC. The standard time here is GMT-2/3/4/5 depending on where on the country you are, so I think they never bothered teaching other time zones in school.

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing The classic one is 34.

Anonymous

@Adám Try running Tetris on it :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego I don't know HTML, what tag is used for images? waits for all the ninja's

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing img

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing <img src="whatever.png" width="x" height="y">

flawr

18:55

@Mego Please use ... /> instead of ... >

J. Salle

or ...></img> but I don't know why would anyone do that

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing So far I've been able to golf that by over 40%

Anonymous

@flawr That's only necessary for XHTML, and so it adds no benefit in HTML

Adám

@J.Salle I think that's invalid HTML.

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Why hasn't your profile updated yet?

Anonymous

18:57

@DJMcMayhem Caching

J. Salle

@Adám is it? I don't think I've ever used it that way, I just assumed it would work

Anonymous

@Adám It's valid, but unnecessary for HTML.

Adám

@J.Salle Of course it will. The browsers swallow pretty much anything. They'll be happy with <img src=whatever.png width=x height=y too!

J. Salle

@Adám html is weird hahahahah

Neil

@J.Salle For most intents and purposes, yes. Note that UK is currently on BST before it goes back to UTC ~a month from now

Anonymous

18:58

Actually I misspoke earlier - ... /> isn't valid XHTML. It does absolutely nothing in HTML except make it ever so slightly clearer. But omitting the slash is golfier.

Adám

@J.Salle No, the browsers are.

J. Salle

@Adám that too

Anonymous

At least we don't have to deal with IE7 compat anymore :P

J. Salle

@Neil yeah, we'll enter DST in ~a month from now here

Neil

@Mego: it's needed for embedded SVG and MathML

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