The Nineteenth Byte

Okx

20:10

proton interpreter is 800 lines long?

that is pretty long

need to be refactored

@Okx My current interpreter (not even finished) for Deorst (not including all the command implementations, just the parser and interpreter), is over 6000 bytes :P

Okx

r e f a c t o r y o u r c o d e

caird coinheringaahing

And it has 1 import statement :P

@Okx Sorry, I don't know what you mean but that D:

Okx

Code refactoring

Code refactoring is the process of restructuring existing computer code—changing the factoring—without changing its external behavior. Refactoring improves nonfunctional attributes of the software. Advantages include improved code readability and reduced complexity; these can improve source-code maintainability and create a more expressive internal architecture or object model to improve extensibility. Typically, refactoring applies a series of standardised basic micro-refactorings, each of which is (usually) a tiny change in a computer program's source code that either preserves the behaviour...

basically make your code better

useful website: refactoring.guru/refactoring

caird coinheringaahing

@Okx How could you? It's very readable! (kinda)

I would send a TIO link, but the link itself is over 2000 bytes long

Okx

20:15

a very long file is bad news

caird coinheringaahing

@Okx What do you think of this?

Okx

well, your if next = something should be split into different files, and you should have a map which represents the mapping of a character to the file

your function names aren't especially readable, like t_add and m_mul

what do they do?

caird coinheringaahing

@Okx Those are just filler functions for testing on TIO, you can ignore them

dzaima

oh huh SOGLs source file with all the commands is longer in bytes than all of jelly.py

Poke

many of the ppcg user-created languages are all in one file

i'm sure it makes maintenance fun

and readability

Helka Homba

20:25

What's a good place to start watching Star Trek?

dzaima

@Poke I tried to split SOGL up in files. Though the balance is horrible and there's one 80kb file, and the rest are ~5kb or ~10kb

Okx

ikr, jelly, 05ab1e, proton, etc

caird coinheringaahing

@HelkaHomba The first episode of the original series

Okx

i know neim and rprogn2 have different files for every command at least

Poke

@cairdcoinheringaahing lulz i was just going to say "The beginning"

Helka Homba

20:28

@cairdcoinheringaahing But it's so...60s

caird coinheringaahing

@HelkaHomba If you're going to start watching it for the first time, start from the beginning. It helps to understand all of the other episodes

DJMcMayhem

20:41

CMC: Given a string of front/back slashes, put spaces and newlines in so that they all connect.

That's not clear at all, so here's an example: \\\//\/\\ should give:

\
 \
  \
  /
 /
 \
 /
 \
  \

You can assume that there will never be too many forward slashes to be possible to draw like this

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem That's not a CMC, that a main challenge

DJMcMayhem

I'd love to come up with a better description though

V, 14 bytes: Try it online!

Or even a title

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Doesn't work

Also, each line has a leading space

DJMcMayhem

Well Try it online! fixes the first

Not just about the second though

I'll look into it

@cairdcoinheringaahing Fixed both, back down to 14

Can you think of a better title/description of this task?

caird coinheringaahing

20:57

@DJMcMayhem Take a chat upvote for fixing it, while not gaining any bytes

@DJMcMayhem Connect the slashes?

DJMcMayhem

Turns out the correct way is actually simpler ha! :)

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thankyou! Where can I cash this in?

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem If you actually make that into a challenge, its a guaranteed +1 (assuming its good) from me :P

DJMcMayhem

Fun alternate solution: (also 14) Try it online!

trichoplax

@DJMcMayhem Join the ~~dots~~ ~~dashes~~ slashes

DJMcMayhem

Unfortunately, I don't think SE allows strikethroughs in titles (believe me, I've tried :P)

I'm definitely planning on posting it, but I need to stew over the best way to interestingly describe it

Draw a path?

trichoplax

21:02

Jigsaw Path?

Path fixing?

Slash alignment?

DJMcMayhem

Should I describe every single step in detail, or let people work it out from the examples?

trichoplax

Maybe a brief intuitive description followed by bullet points to prevent arguments?

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem I'd explain each in some detail, but not too much

trichoplax

There might be a shortish way of fully specifying it

If they don't match, they are in the same column

If they do, the lower is one in the direction "pointed to"

DJMcMayhem

Sounds good. Last question, should I have submissions intelligently move the whole thing to the right if there are too many forward slashes?

trichoplax

21:07

I think "connected" is already fairly rigorous though

DJMcMayhem

So for example, \/// would give: Try it online!

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Why not? Makes it even harder :P

trichoplax

@DJMcMayhem That seems like a significant extra, but should still be a fairly small task (in terms of being likely to get lots of answers), I'd guess

I'm not a golfer, but I'd prefer reading the answers to the larger task

caird coinheringaahing

@trichoplax I don't understand how you have a third of my posts, but twice my rep ಠ_ಠ

trichoplax

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's because I've posted bounties

Otherwise I'd have 1400 more...

caird coinheringaahing

21:14

@trichoplax That still doesn't explain it :P

trichoplax

@cairdcoinheringaahing The simple answer is answers to this question

caird coinheringaahing

I think it was Tweetable Maths

ninja'd

trichoplax

Without that single question I'd have much less rep than you

My first ever post also made a big difference.

DJMcMayhem

@trichoplax Hmm, I'm torn because I agree that I like the more advanced task, but that will more than double my V answer... :/

trichoplax

Depends what you want to see - it's your challenge

caird coinheringaahing

21:16

@trichoplax Yep. Not counting rep cap, you got ~4340 rep from that one question

trichoplax

@DJMcMayhem Would longer answers have more spread of scores and fewer ties?

Mayube

@cairdcoinheringaahing I see you're done with BrainFlump

caird coinheringaahing

@Mayube Yep. I've also golfed it as much as I can, but you could always ask Xcoder if you want even more. Do you want to get it on TIO?

trichoplax

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes, and most of that is for the answer I'm least proud of, just because it was posted before the others

@cairdcoinheringaahing The more explanatory answer is I got a lot more rep for my graphical output and pop con answers than I did for any others.

Mayube

@cairdcoinheringaahing ye, that's the plan

caird coinheringaahing

21:19

@trichoplax I think you're one of the few very active users left who has popularity-contest as their top tag

trichoplax

Mainly because I hardly ever golf...

@cairdcoinheringaahing Looks like you have a lot of very well received questions though. Have you just suffered from the rep cap a lot?

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Dennis almost has more gold tag badges than I have silver badges

@trichoplax Like what? Aside from the OEIS one and ;#

@trichoplax I've never rep capped from a single answer, and the only questions I could have capped from are ^

trichoplax

You have 12 questions with over 10 votes...

caird coinheringaahing

@trichoplax 10 votes = 50 rep. Half way to rep cap.

trichoplax

I didn't check whether any were posted on the same day...

caird coinheringaahing

21:24

@trichoplax just ignore me. Ask others, I have a tenancy to (unrightfully tbh) complain about my rep earnings. :P

trichoplax

:P

caird coinheringaahing

Also, I have lost about 300 rep to my sock accounts getting deleted (not a complaint, just a comment)

trichoplax

One other difference is I rarely post (questions or answers) so I tend to put a fair amount of effort into them. Some of my posts have been in the sandbox for years

muddyfish

You shouldn't be interacting at all with multiple accounts you own

caird coinheringaahing

@muddyfish Yes, but the whole point of sock accounts is to boost your own rep

trichoplax

21:27

Do you just mean you put effort into answers to gain rep for them, which is now lost?

muddyfish

@cairdcoinheringaahing it's really not

trichoplax

Oh. No that's the reason sock accounts get deleted. Valid sock accounts never exchange rep with your account

muddyfish

They're to test things like bugs and to interact with the community annonymously

caird coinheringaahing

@muddyfish Personally, I think of an account to corrupt rep are socks, otherwise they're just alternate accounts

@Mayube Can I ask Dennis to add it now, or do you want to hold off for a bit?

Mayube

go for it

caird coinheringaahing

21:35

ಠ_ಠ just realised I need a Hello, World! for it

Downgoat

21:50

@cairdcoinheringaahing ... you what

caird coinheringaahing

22:06

@Downgoat 355 to be precise

Downgoat

how many sock accounts did you have O_o

caird coinheringaahing

@Downgoat 2

Those were the good old days. Back when I was getting rep every hour :P Too bad it all went

caird coinheringaahing

22:26

Q: If my calculator saves empty programs as 32 bytes, can I subtract 32 from my bytecount?

Pavel

22:47

@cairdcoinheringaahing Only if it can open and run the program successfully with those bytes removed

ATaco

o/

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing Jon Skeet used to have more Silver badges than I had rep

@cairdcoinheringaahing Halfway? Huh?

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino so did I :P

Nobody

23:15

Introducing Math:The esolang (concept)

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Didn't you know that I have a special rep cap of 100 rep? All dogs do

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing ಠ_ಠ

also why has the disapprove face template in @ATaco Scripts changed

Nobody

There'll be 5 vartypes in Math: int,flt,fnc,set,seq

HyperNeutrino

no complex?

Nobody

Hmm

will consider

HyperNeutrino

23:27

I mean it's something that many practical languages don't support and I think it would be nice, especially in a language made for math.

ATaco

@HyperNeutrino Try /o_____o

Nobody

Example:you need nCr? Just fnc f(a,b)=aCb and done

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ why

ATaco

@Nobody See: math.js

HyperNeutrino

oh huh must have been strange temporary issue thingy

Nobody

23:30

b,bu,but I'm adding calculus too (If I can)

HyperNeutrino

huh so largely symbolic?

ATaco

If you're curious, I'm hosting a math.js interpreter on a-ta.co

Who needs to add calculus?

Downgoat

23:53

@ATaco how to solve algebra equation with mathjs

@DJMcMayhem Brians-Flak

ATaco

@Downgoat mathjs.org/docs/reference/functions.html#algebra-functions

I don't remember much about calculus, but there's the docs.

LegionMammal978

Just curious, would ({}) be an effective stack peek in Brain-Flak?

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