The Nineteenth Byte

Conor O'Brien

22:02

@MDXF no? are you sure you're using the right language?

Try it online!

MD XF

Oh that's odd

either way it still has an error

throw new Error("popping from an empty stack");

Conor O'Brien

if it's at the beginning, it's popping from an empty stack

MD XF

Yeah. It has to be at the beginning. The first five bytes of my polyglot have been the biggest hindrance ever

but they're needed for C, C++, Bash, Forked, and one other 2d lang

@WheatWizard do you want to have another try at the Cubically quine?

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22:16

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Introduction This challenge is based on some work with ATA numbering, the standard way to index aircraft maintenance publications. It's a relatively simple setup, but I haven't been able to find anything quite analogous that's been posted already. ATA numbers are of the format XX-XX-XX, where X ...

Pavel

22:35

destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

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Q: Parallelogram a Number

Now that we know how to properly square and triangle a number, we are going to learn how to parallelogram one. To parallelogram a number, we first arrange it as a parallelogram by stacking it on top of itself a number of times equal to the number of digits it has, and adding spaces to make it a ...

MD XF

22:57

Darn you, repcap!

I got seven upvotes within an hour after the cap on the same answer

Luis Mendo

@Mr.Xcoder Your turn now

MD XF

@LuisMendo you should try to beat 25 :P

Luis Mendo

Haha, no way

MD XF

I'm just trying to find more languages

I've gone through every esolang on TIO trying to find ones that don't print anything nor exit on syntax errors

Luis Mendo

@MDXF Whitespace should be easy to add. Unfortunately the MATL parser rejects tabs as unrecognized char

MD XF

23:00

@LuisMendo I don't have any so that's good

Luis Mendo

Ah, sorry, it won't be easy. You already have LF's

which will be seen as code by Whitespace

MD XF

yeah

I'll look at MATL in a sec

btw, did you write MATL?

Luis Mendo

@MDXF No, my comment about MATL was about my code. Yours is too much of a mess to turn into MATL :-)

^^ Yup

MD XF

Oh haha. And cool

Conor O'Brien

any people who know ruby well in here?

MD XF

23:03

@ConorO'Brien Don't you know ruby?

or is that Perl that you're good at

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien kinda

Conor O'Brien

I do, but I need to lean on someone

ASCII-only

@MDXF C/JS

Conor O'Brien

why is eval([]and"4"or"1") a syntax error, but neither ([]and"4"or"1") nor eval ([]and"4"or"1")?

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien well for one the third one is eval foo where foo is the paren expression iirc

Conor O'Brien

23:04

right

but isn't the first one that as well?

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien tio.run/##KypNqvz/P7UsMUdDIzo2MS9FyUQpv0jJUElT8/9/AA

@ConorO'Brien no

Conor O'Brien

why not?

MD XF

@ASCII-only MaybeLater is your lang, right?

Conor O'Brien

it's ATaco's iirc

ASCII-only

@MDXF no my only lang is charcoal >_> maybelater is ataco's (i would never write something that terrible :P)

MD XF

23:06

@ASCII-only Ah. Somehow I get you two confused lol

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien because ruby is weird

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only that's mean

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon not really

Conor O'Brien

@ASCII-only thanks a lump :P

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon and obviously sarcastic

ASCII-only

23:07

ataco is perfectly capable of making it good he's just too lazy :P

MD XF

I'd like to say I don't write bad langs but... I wrote Cubically

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien tio.run/##KypNqvz/P7UsMUcjOlZNTclEqaZGyVBJ8/9/AA

and and or have really low precedence

Conor O'Brien

ok

so ```````````````````and`````````````````` works on multiple statements basically

ASCII-only

yeah

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien o pls use backticks that looks really bad without them

Destructible Lemon

23:11

@ConorO'Brien ????

Conor O'Brien

I used backticks

MD XF

-_-

@DestructibleLemon what is with Woefully's error messages >.<

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF well...

MD XF

nevermind this lang is way too complicated for polyglotting

@ConorO'Brien how do I output integer in Somme?

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF yes it is... you cannot use any characters other than spaces, pipes and newlines

MD XF

23:13

@DestructibleLemon exactly

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF sommehow

Destructible Lemon

it's almost impossible to polyglot... except maybe with glypho or something

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien ...

Conor O'Brien

what do you think I'm just going to give you the answer? :P jk I'll help

MD XF

pls I'm trying to beat your polyglot here

lol. well if you're not going to write docs...

Conor O'Brien

23:14

ok

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF actually the issue is it isn't complicated enough, isn't it?

Conor O'Brien

I would actually not recommend using somme

ASCII-only

style guide says don't use and or or

Conor O'Brien

it takes the sum's of the columns and uses those as commands

MD XF

@ASCII-only hahaha

@ConorO'Brien yeah ok nvm

Conor O'Brien

23:15

@ASCII-only it's for a polyglot

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien yeah don't use and or or. don't use Ruby at all. don't use anything :D

:P

Conor O'Brien

: P

ASCII-only

yeah then just use a space

Conor O'Brien

yup

MD XF

So... are there any more langs that are forgiving about syntax errors, or just ignore stuff they don't recognize?

Conor O'Brien

23:17

I've started rewriting the polyglot since it basically just crumbled apart.

MD XF

I can't be the only person who writes interpreters like this

Conor O'Brien

I do

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien hey sounds like my life

Conor O'Brien

check my earlier languages

MD XF

ooh ok

Conor O'Brien

23:17

@MDXF lol

ASCII-only

@MDXF Actually, Charcoal

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF Turtlèd sort of does this

MD XF

@ASCII-only already did it

@DestructibleLemon I'll look at it

Destructible Lemon

syntax errors are sooooort of forgiving

as long as you never run the code

MD XF

>.<

ASCII-only

23:18

@DestructibleLemon . . .

Destructible Lemon

the code with the error

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien Jext?

Destructible Lemon

if you skipped past it with an if it's fine

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF unfinished

wait

no that's just J

Destructible Lemon

you can have arbitrary amounts of ) if you aren't having a ( that's yet to be closed

MD XF

23:19

@ConorO'Brien Betrothed?

Destructible Lemon

(a]]]]]) doesn't error, I think

MD XF

reticular?

Kevin?

Pavel

@ASCII-only why tho

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF I entered that into the "maybe turing complete language" thingy

@MDXF glorified befunge

@MDXF dishonoured java-python

ASCII-only

@Mithrandir O_o you shouldn't be in TNB :P

MD XF

23:19

I'm just gonna look through Jeremy's languages

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien jython

Destructible Lemon

has anyone made a continuous 2d language?

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon define continuous

Conor O'Brien

@DestructibleLemon define continuous?

ninja lol

MD XF

lol

Destructible Lemon

23:20

the commands aren't on a grid

they're just wherever

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon Forked? ><>? Surface? MarioLANG? Befunge?

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon what are they on

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only no, I mean, say a game where you can move 1 space each turn, versus moving through actual space and not a grid

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon yeah but how would you write the code

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF I know most of those have grids...

ASCII-only

23:21

if they're not on the grid

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only physics engines and stuff

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon guess I'm confused about what you're asking

Conor O'Brien

maybe marbelous

Destructible Lemon

nope, I'm pretty sure that has a grid

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien how does NTFJ work?

Destructible Lemon

23:22

the positions of things are floating point numbers

MD XF

oh wait you actually documented! :D

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon ... how would you write text code in a physics engine

@DestructibleLemon ... that's way too inaccurate

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF most of my languages have readmes, some are just less helpful than others

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only that's kinda the point

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien yeah lol

Destructible Lemon

23:23

the fps's seem fine with floating point numbers

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien so how do I push stuff in NTFJ

Destructible Lemon

I guess technically there is a grid, but it's an extremely fine grid

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon yeah but not a programming language

Destructible Lemon

hey, as long as it's deterministic...

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF you did read the readme right

ASCII-only

23:24

@DestructibleLemon well yeah but you can't run anything longer than a few thousand iterations

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien Yeah all I see is how to push 1 and 0

Destructible Lemon

you can always just put the new commands in specific places based on where it would end up, you don't need to calculate exactly

Conor O'Brien

yeah

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon seriously how would you write it in text

Conor O'Brien

that's all you can push

MD XF

23:24

Oh

Then how do you output ints

/ ?

Conor O'Brien

> * - OUT - pops N, and outputs the character whose char code is N.

>

@ - BYTE - pops eight values V1...V8 and pushes the number V1*(2^8) + ... + V8*(2^1) OR, if V1 > 1, pushes the bits in that number.

the one time I have docs

MD XF

Cool, it's working

You have written like 50 languages, dang

Conor O'Brien

yes

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only um, (right, 0, 0) (four, 1,0) (dupe, 2,0) (add, 3,0), (print, 4, 0) (halt, 5, 0)

Downgoat

@ASCII-only do you have time to work on VSL today

ASCII-only

23:29

@DestructibleLemon ... that's the same as a normal grid

Pavel

Does anyone here know what an "Excluded Invention" is? I'm signing a legal document and it's asking me to provide a list of them.

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only yeah, but you could also use some floating points, and then also make rotations and stuff

maybe even rebounding off commands

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien NTFJ added

Conor O'Brien

nice

MD XF

That is a weird but cool lang

> Revision 36: added 1234 characters in body

Conor O'Brien

23:33

yup

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien yup

Destructible Lemon

@Pavel try law.se

Pavel

I did not know that exists

Thanks

Destructible Lemon

I had another idea for a koth sort of

Conor O'Brien

@ASCII-only yeah lol

Destructible Lemon

23:41

so, torus playing field, gravity and stuff, you can move to the right, jump, and shoot to the left

so like a simplified version of towerfall somewhat...

ASCII-only

@Pavel lawinsider.com/clause/excluded-inventions

Pavel

@ASCII-only wat I found that link earlier but the webpage errored and didn't show anything ._.

MD XF

I just realized how easy it is to do loops in bf: +++++++[>+++++++<-]>. is equivalent to var m1 = 7; while (m1--) m2 += 7;

ASCII-only

@MDXF did it take you that long to realize >_>

MD XF

yeah, I'd always thought there was some magic behind it

@ASCII-only yes lol

Destructible Lemon

23:48

@MDXF ifs are a bit harder

MD XF

yeah

2EZ 4RTZ

#1 way to get rep. Answer my challenges :P I upvote 95% of answers XD

Pavel

arr[i] +=7; do arr[++i] += 7; while (arr[--i]--); i++; printf("%d", arr[i])

2EZ 4RTZ

is that a normal thing?

MD XF

@2EZ4RTZ yes and no

Pavel

23:49

I might have gotten my semicolons wrong in the do-while

MD XF

If they're good, upvote them. if they're not, don't :P

2EZ 4RTZ

Well duh. Also even with that I have 55% upvotes on CHALLENGES

I am the opposite of our voting culture

MD XF

wow I have like 3%

2EZ 4RTZ

O_O

You are the reason ais left...

<sarcasm>

that felt too soon

was that too soon?

Destructible Lemon

I'm still trying to think of a koth...

DanTheMan

23:51

@2EZ4RTZ I don't get the reference

2EZ 4RTZ

@DanTheMan wat. Ais523 left here because of how bad voting culture was

Pavel

Ais523

DanTheMan

How recently?

2EZ 4RTZ

user62131

Very

A month?

DanTheMan

Huh

2EZ 4RTZ

23:54

Yeah it was recent

Destructible Lemon

do you guys have anything you want from a koth?

Pavel

The ability to use a language that isn't Python.

Destructible Lemon

ok

what about the actual game?

2EZ 4RTZ

The ability to use python

Destructible Lemon

@Pavel well, js is bad, and I don't know js anyway

2EZ 4RTZ

23:55

In the game

Pavel

I was not talking about JS

2EZ 4RTZ

mic drop

Destructible Lemon

but then it will be slow ;_;

2EZ 4RTZ

so make it fast

chess koth

Destructible Lemon

I kind of want to make something about bees or something

2EZ 4RTZ

23:55

dupe isn't it

Pavel

Oh? Python isn't a very fast language.

Destructible Lemon

so that I can put the quote

> Bees?

2EZ 4RTZ

DO we have a chess koth?

DIBS if we don't

Destructible Lemon

we have a reverse chess koth

lets be honest, a chess koth will not be very popular

Pavel

Do you know Java or C/++/#? Those are faster than Python.

2EZ 4RTZ

23:56

hmm

@Pavel java? fast? hahahhaa

Destructible Lemon

no, I mean using multiple languages makes it slow

2EZ 4RTZ

@DestructibleLemon oh make it in python then

Pavel

@2EZ4RTZ It's not fast. It's faster than Python.

Destructible Lemon

BUT THEN ONLY 2 PEOPLE WILL PLAY

2EZ 4RTZ

I will play

So 2.5?

Pavel

23:57

I think you were already counted

2EZ 4RTZ

then 1.5

Destructible Lemon

^^

how are you half

2EZ 4RTZ

My python skillz.

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