The Nineteenth Byte

HyperNeutrino

00:00

I have 4, Christopher has 2, totallyhuman has 2, and Magic Octopus Urn has 1

Magic Octopus Urn

Can anyone link me that meta post about proper quines?

totallyhuman

Yes

Magic Octopus Urn

I've been in here like 6 times total, the fact I have even 1 star is disturbing.

betseg

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Q: What counts as a proper quine?

The basic definition of a quine is a program that, when run, produces its own source code as output. There are a number of techniques and a number of way to implement those techniques across a number of different languages. However, not all quine programs are equal. Clearly, any quine in HQ9+ or...

Magic Octopus Urn

The fact that it's about IBM sucking donkey butt is a sign that god may exist.

Is this the official quine definition post: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4877/… ?

I want to get it right.

totallyhuman

00:02

@MagicOctopusUrn that's just two of the same words

@MagicOctopusUrn yes although somebody linked it before you

Magic Octopus Urn

Oh wow... I'm a moron, thought @betseg posted a ew question to meta.

Hah, I'm ADHD like the wolves.

trichoplax

@totallyhuman I tried it for a bit last year. I don't know much though.

betseg

@MagicOctopusUrn then why would i reply to you :P

HyperNeutrino

Guys can we delete this

betseg

done

HyperNeutrino

00:04

That was fast o_O

betseg

lel

totallyhuman

@trichoplax so that reference implementation I used for the identifier question?

It doesn't work

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Plant an ASCII-Tree Given an input 0 <= n <= 16, print the correct growth stage of the tree: n=0 ------------------------------------ /\ n=1 ------------------------------------ /\ n=2 /...

Step Hen

5000 mathematica builtins, maybe I can find something decent in there

totallyhuman

It says str.replace is undefined

@StepHen goats is a built-in

trichoplax

00:07

@totallyhuman The one from the Nim documentation??

totallyhuman

That's more than decent

@trichoplax yeah

trichoplax

That's embarrassing...

Step Hen

@totallyhuman well did you use it correctly? :P

trichoplax

What goes wrong?

totallyhuman

Hang on

trichoplax

00:08

I've got a new computer since I last used Nim, so it's not installed at the moment, but I'll have a look in case anything jumps out at me

totallyhuman

Try it online!

Nim's on tio, so that's nice

Step Hen

@totallyhuman you probably have to import something on TIO

trichoplax

Even Nim is on TIO? Great :)

totallyhuman

@StepHen b-but the reference implementation doesn't show any imports... I'd expect it to

Step Hen

@totallyhuman maybe TIO doesn't have default imports?

HyperNeutrino

00:11

Did someone delete a bunch of stars?

totallyhuman

Yes

Although mine is still up there :)

trichoplax

@totallyhuman Looks like you may need re

totallyhuman

Ok...

Magic Octopus Urn

I need some notes on this question: https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13430/59376
I've changed it up quite a bit, and need to know if I overlooked anything.

totallyhuman

Now it complains about str.toLower

trichoplax

00:13

Might need strutils too

Mmmm, strutils

totallyhuman

Oh now it works

Stderr is still full but output is there

trichoplax

Great :)

Christopher

00:36

@betseg that depresses me

But I have yet to get one

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Q: Travel Back in Quine

The challenge here is simple, and not at all about byte-count. Your job is to output the first 50 characters of the previous quine's source code, concatenated with the first 50-bytes of yours starting with the 50-bytes I've placed below: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzACDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY So, l...

quine answer-chaining

Magic Octopus Urn

@betseg I've only had 3 ._. I have more top-voted answers than accepted.

Either that or those two coutns are tied at 3, I forget which it is now.

TL;DR I'm a scriptkiddie.

Christopher

@Cowsquack Kinda boring game

I got my first rampage on Dota 2 :DD (You solo kill the entire other team)

Update on my file: 70 gigs of zeros

Magic Octopus Urn

I got a pentakill in smite the other day ,2nd one ever.

Assault.

Thanatos.

Christopher

Pentakill?

So you killed five people before death right?

@MagicOctopusUrn

Magic Octopus Urn

00:46

Yeah, basically you kill the entire team within 10 seconds of each other.

I love thanatos in smite, if you've ever played it.

Christopher

oh that is a rampage

Nice job

Magic Octopus Urn

He's an assassin, an unlikely cantidate for a pentakill due to his squishy nature.

But he's also my berserker character... As in, if you stop me you've gotta be a god lol.

Just love 1v5ing with him.

Christopher

XD. I played phantom assassin

Magic Octopus Urn

youtu.be/z5TBgbtWlFw?t=32 < basically this.

Except he's a god with the swipe and I use the thrown more.

I play on XBOX ONE too, I love the controller.

Christopher

Good choice of console

Magic Octopus Urn

00:51

Smite is all I ever play on console anyway.

Christopher

I am a PC person but XBOX one is > PS4 IMO

Magic Octopus Urn

Ahhh... I have a 12 year old account.

Had to buy it.

Christopher

Wait

what?

Magic Octopus Urn

My microsoft XBL account is 12 years old.

It's 5-characters long lol.

Christopher

nice

Mine is 8 I think

WellbornGore4

Simple

Magic Octopus Urn

00:53

"Oblak", funny thing is I had a shiek from the middle east offer me $775 for it because it was his name.

Declined, but still... That wasn't a bad offer.

Christopher

Nice. XD

getting video clip of my rampage

Magic Octopus Urn

I have mine too somewhere but I'm out at a bar.

Christopher

wow

you are old

Magic Octopus Urn

I have like 34 quadrakills, 6 where jerks stole my last kill from me.

Christopher

I know how you feel

Magic Octopus Urn

00:56

Ahhh... Ow, I'm 25 man; I'm not old yet.

Christopher

lol

Crackin a cold one with the boys? (meme reference)

Magic Octopus Urn

I am getting to that tipping point where if I don't start eating better I'll look 50 in 3 years...

Christopher

that is not good

plays.tv/video/597d2eac9033986617/first-ever-rampage-d

Magic Octopus Urn

Hahaha when you turn 30 apparently you die.

Christopher

My rampage

Magic Octopus Urn

00:57

plays.tv ?

Is that the new twitch?

Christopher

Recording client

No it just records and auto tracks when you kill/die/assist

For easy use

@MagicOctopusUrn the video clip is up

Magic Octopus Urn

Processing.

Christopher

It claims to be up

It finished processing

Magic Octopus Urn

Ahhh daaang that was pretty legit (seemingly), I've never played DOTA, is it good? I mean you were lvl 18 vs 4x lvl 10

Christopher

yeah

It is still good

Magic Octopus Urn

00:59

So I assume you'd just been out-thinking them for the whole game and that was their final idiotic push?

Christopher

the first kill is unclipped

Magic Octopus Urn

Based on how you're lvl 19 and just like 3-hitting them lol

Christopher

Well that is normal when they are lvl 20

Magic Octopus Urn

They were lvl 9-11

Christopher

PA gets crits of 350% of her damage

Magic Octopus Urn

01:00

Aahaha, nice. That sounds like my kind of char.

Christopher

It ends up being about 1.5-2k damage a hit (15% chance)

Magic Octopus Urn

IF you're ever on XBOX and need a smiter I'm pretty good... 75/86 gods mastered.

Christopher

Dang

Magic Octopus Urn

It's my addiction ._.

Christopher

dota is mine

Magic Octopus Urn

01:01

That and random survival early-access games on steam.

Christopher

If i ever get around to trying smite I will find you

You should try dota

Magic Octopus Urn

On PC? I'm sluggish with PC controls because I'm a console kid.

I could try.

I'd powerlevel the crap outta you if you ever joined me on smite though lol

Downgoat

PSA: Everytime you make a desktop with Electron a baby goat dies (moral: Don't use electron)

Magic Octopus Urn

What's electron

Okay, wrong question, "who developed electron".

Also, if the goat is a downgoat, I mean... Maybe make programs in electron; upgoats are the future.

totallyhuman

Here I have a browser implemented in election

Bet you'll love it :3

betseg

01:15

Anybody here knows Emojicode? I can't create/call functions :/

Christopher

@MagicOctopusUrn lol id take it

@MagicOctopusUrn yes

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn GitHub

@totallyhuman it's called Vivaldi by the Opera co-founder

@Downgoat a desktop?

Downgoat

@totallyhuman electron is a browser?

totallyhuman

@ASCII-only no it's not o0

@Downgoat no I have a browser implemented in election

ASCII-only

@totallyhuman which is basically electron + controls

I have a browser implemented in a webpage

Beat that :P

Downgoat

01:24

@totallyhuman no I will put it in sheep pen because that is where anything in electron belongs >:|

ASCII-only

@Downgoat yes it is (except for Vivaldi and Hyper)

Downgoat

@ASCII-only I took your browser in a webpage and loaded the browser in a webpage on the browser in a webpage :P

ASCII-only

@Downgoat you could actually do that

Downgoat

@ASCII-only iTerm2 >>> HyperTerm

(yes that is obviously bit shit)

ASCII-only

But the server isn't up and it's broken because I updated dependencies

Downgoat

01:27

oh is this the thing that you were working on like a while ago that was like OS in cloud almost

Christopher

@Downgoat i can't even RM RF right youtube.com/watch?v=PrVuu9tVDyk&ab_channel=ChristopherPeart

Downgoat is better as destroying linux then me :_(

@MagicOctopusUrn lol the international smite prize pool is 1 mill while dota has a 220+ million prize pool (for a team of five to split)

Conquest is basically dota

HyperNeutrino

Nick Craver wants to foreach a null ಠ_ಠ

Conor O'Brien

01:45

8

HyperNeutrino

lol

Wheat Wizard

@ConorO'Brien The intended solution was probably $x=1$. Its wrong, but its probably what they wanted.

betseg

02:01

@betseg nvm solved it

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A: Fibonacci function or sequence

Emojicode, 100 bytes 🐖🔢➡️🚂🍇🍊◀️🐕2🍇🍎🐕🍉🍓🍇🍎➕🔢➖🐕1🔢➖🐕2🍉🍉 Try it online!

First useful Emojicode submission I think :p

HyperNeutrino

AAAAAAHHHHH!

Wheat Wizard

@betseg If you know emojicode you should add it here

or teach me so I can do it. :p

HyperNeutrino

I feel like the emojis will break a lot of languages :P

Wheat Wizard

@HyperNeutrino Stasoid made it so we can add unicode we now have 3 answers in emoji based languages.

HyperNeutrino

Oh yay

betseg

02:03

@HyperNeutrino yeah it breaks py 2

HyperNeutrino

yeah

unless you declare an encoding

Wheat Wizard

The way stasoid declared the encoding is insane

feersum

Just insert some null bytes and eofs and Python will ignore the rest of the file >:D

@WheatWizard Link?

HyperNeutrino

...

betseg

Wheat Wizard

02:05

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A: Add a language to a polyglot

94. Emotinomicon, 2763 bytes #16 "?63(o?23!*# #@"/*\DZZCv;'[af2.q]PkPPX)\('#CO"14"; */ #/*0|7//```"` [>.>.])[-'][(>77*;,68*,@,1',;# l1011)(22)S\4n;iiipsddpsdoh coding:utf8␉␉␉␉(1P''53'S^'????!?!??!??!!!!???!?!??!!?!?!!!!!?!!!!?????!????????????????????!) (qx #>␉ # 36!@␉` e++++++::@ #~ #y #`<` #<

betseg

Looks like this with proper whitespacing ^^ @HyperNeutrino

HyperNeutrino

ah ok

betseg

Translated to pseudo code: i.sstatic.net/ieILJ.png

^ @HyperNeutrino so you can see, ^ @WheatWizard so you can learn.

HyperNeutrino

xD

Wheat Wizard

Yeah it looks like emojicode has very strict syntax structure. Doesn't look like it can be added.

betseg

02:13

A really strict and a strongly typed language

Bai, sleeping

HyperNeutrino

o/

totallyhuman

Bye

betseg

Btw, if you've noticed, that language uses reverse Polish notation

HyperNeutrino

@betseg So if I haven't noticed, then what notation does it use?

And isn't that just normal Polish notation?

betseg

02:30

@HyperNeutrino oops

@HyperNeutrino * 2 oops

See I'm sleepy

HyperNeutrino

hehe maybe you should sleep xD

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Q: I Love Sardines

I love sardines, I can't get enough of them, and so does my computer, the Omnilang 5000, which is language agnostic. To give my computer the joy of experiencing sardines, I've decided to feed him a number of programs that are capable of displaying on the screen tins of sardines in various orient...

code-golf ascii-art kolmogorov-complexity

Husnain Raza

03:27

Hello

Phoenix

03:58

o/

totallyhuman

hi

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04:15

-1

Q: My code url needs a src attribute what does that mean?

Hello I am new to Making things so what does it mean by add a alt attribute but i don't know how to make a alt attribute. I tries to put href=# but i do not know what href means what is an alt attribute?

word-puzzle

Husnain Raza

hey @HelkaHomba

like your minecraft vids very good :)

ATaco

I agree.

Helka Homba

Thanks guys

totallyhuman

04:33

An Explosion of Cybermen - Doctor Who: Series 10

►

PhiNotPi

A short chunk of music I wrote recently: soundcloud.com/phinotpi/kleza

Phoenix

Would it be bad to answer my own question in mathematica, if the answer is a single builtin?

ASCII-only

@Phoenix No, but you should wait a while before self-answering

Phoenix

04:49

I had that thought, but it's such a trivial thing...

You're probably right.

@DJMcMayhem Posted to main

ASCII-only

which arithmetic operator should i overload into list.join

Phoenix

@ASCII-only listA << listB

ASCII-only

@Phoenix no, list.join = like ['foo', 'bar'].join(' ') (also charcoal has no bitshift yet idk what chars to use for that)

Phoenix

oic

You could borrow Mathematica's operator for that, <>

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Q: Get the indices of an array after sorting

Your challenge today is to write a program or function which takes a list l and gives the positions in l at which each successive element of l sorted appears. In other words, output the index of the smallest value, followed by the index of the second smallest value, etc. You can assume that the...

code-golf array-manipulation

ASCII-only

05:00

@Phoenix charcoal doesn't have that either i mean one of */+-<dividesign><exponent>

woah what Nayuki just joined PPCG

Husnain Raza

im still tripping over this oeis answer chaining

challenge

Phoenix

@ASCII-only who?

ASCII-only

@Phoenix nayuki.io

Phoenix

@ASCII-only I think * would be best

ASCII-only

Probably most known for this? nayuki.io/page/project-euler-solutions

Phoenix

05:09

Ah

ASCII-only

also maybe this nayuki.io/page/optimizing-brainfuck-compiler

Husnain Raza

is there an algorithm for calculating this sequence?

ASCII-only

@HusnainRaza which one

Husnain Raza

07:05

A000066

Lembik

09:50

hi all

hi @Phoenix

betseg

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A: I Love Sardines

Emojicode, 440 bytes 🐖🐡🍇🍦a😛0🚮🐕2🍦b➗🐕10🍊a🍇😀🔤 __________❌n(__________@%🔤🍉🍓🍇😀🔤 __________❌n%@__________)🔤🍉🔂i⏩1b🍇🍊a🍇😀🔤|<*)_____><||🔤🍉🍓🍇😀🔤||><_____(*>|🔤🍉🍉🍊▶️4b🍇🔂i⏩0➖4b🍇🍊a🍇😀🔤| ||🔤🍉🍓🍇😀🔤|| |🔤🍉🍉🍉🍊a🍇😀🔤''=========='🔤🍉🍓🍇😀🔤'===...

im leaving C for Emojicode xd

btw im winning at char count, but losing at byte count

ASCII-only

10:21

@betseg well yeah? it's emoji

betseg

10:32

(added explanation btw)

stasoid

10:45

Hello,
does anybody know any languages that can output only 0 and 1, beside Brainbool?
This is for our Behemoth-polygloth (https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/102370/add-a-language-to-a-polyglot?page=4&tab=oldest), it almost reached 100.

ASCII-only

@stasoid Boolfuck can too (and various other similar BF-derivatives) (well actually which ones output as ASCII)

stasoid

No, I am asking about languages that can output only 0 or 1

So we can add them as #100,#101,#110 or #111

ASCII-only

yeah I meant output 0 and 1 as ASCII not binary

stasoid

@Dennis, @MartinEnder do you know any languages that can output only characters '0' and '1', beside Brainbool?

Mr. Xcoder

11:03

Posted!

@stasoid Unary can only use 0s and 1s, but I don't know what it outputs

stasoid

@Mr.Xcoder Thanks, but I think it is as powerful as brainfuck (can output any ascii).

Mr. Xcoder

Ah, Sorry then

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Q: Build a Semi-Zigzag

You will be given a positive integer N as input. Your task is to build a Semi-Zigzag, of N sides, each of length N. Since it is relatively hard to clearly describe the task, here are some examples: N = 1: O N = 2: O O O N = 3: O O O O O O O N = 4: O O O O O O...

code-golf ascii-art

feersum

Why would you care about being unable to output other characters?

stasoid

11:18

Because we only have 4 spots for them and we don't want to miss opportunity to add them.

They can only occupy slots #100,#101,#110 or #111

wizzwizz4

@stasoid There was one based on serial data transmission that only outputs bits...

It also has timing though, so theoretically you could morse-style encode an entire byte in just a bit of output. (I think.)

I don't remember the name.

stasoid

11:34

ok

betseg

12:15

this happened after i posted a few emojicode answers

Learn How To Be Transparent

12:46

@betseg wow lol

> 🐖🔢➡️🚂🍇🍮a🐕🍮i 0🔁❎😛1a🍇🍊😛1🚮a 2🍇🍮a➕1✖3a🍉🍓🍇🍮a➗a 2🍉🍮i➕1i🍉🍎i🍉

betseg

@LearnHowToBeTransparent Nice language, isn't it?

Learn How To Be Transparent

yeah

that language is nice but i cant make any useful app in emojicode.

betseg

It has UI tho

You can make windowed games. Look at their site

Learn How To Be Transparent

yes, i have read about that language 1 week ago

Mr. Xcoder

Does anyone know where in the github repo are the relevant docs for Charcoal?

Cows quack

12:59

@Mr.Xcoder github.com/somebody1234/Charcoal

Mr. Xcoder

@Cowsquack Thanks :)

Wait, I said where in the repo :?

Cows quack

go to Wiki

Mr. Xcoder

Oh thanks

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder you saw my answer and wanna learn it right?

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer No, I don't wanna learn it.

@EriktheOutgolfer I can bet it is terrible with numbers, right?

Erik the Outgolfer

13:09

yep

if you see my post closely you'll see that most of it is dealing with numbers

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer How did you generate that AST explanation?

Erik the Outgolfer

command-line argument -a (astify) or -oa (only astify). the latter doesn't execute the code after printing the ast, which is why I used it

Mr. Xcoder

Thanks

Seems easy at first

totallyhuman

14:17

<Sequence [A000053: Local stops on New York City Broadway line (IRT #1) subway.]>
<Sequence [A000054: Local stops on New York City A line subway.]>

new rule: if you can think of it, there's an oeis sequence for it

Erik the Outgolfer

@clap you have requested access to jelly hypertraining?

totallyhuman

<Sequence [A000561: Number of discordant permutations.]>
<Sequence [A000562: Number of discordant permutations.]>
<Sequence [A000563: Number of discordant permutations.]>
<Sequence [A000564: Number of discordant permutations.]>
<Sequence [A000565: Number of discordant permutations.]>

uh

Erik the Outgolfer

after seeing previous conversations I've decided to add you in

totallyhuman

why are there 5 sequences by the same name

wizzwizz4

@totallyhuman They are obviously permutations of different things.

I wouldn't be surprised if each is of the previous one.

Or perhaps all but one are erroneous.

Erik the Outgolfer

14:31

they're all different

clap

yeah i have @er

*@EriktheOutgolfer

Erik the Outgolfer

I put you in already

clap

ok cool, thanks!

Nathan Merrill

therottingcartridge.com/games/programming

wizzwizz4

15:00

@NathanMerrill How dare they let a perfectly good cartridge rot! >:-(

totallyhuman

<Sequence [A001236: Differences of reciprocals of unity.]>
<Sequence [A001237: Differences of reciprocals of unity.]>
<Sequence [A001238: Differences of reciprocals of unity.]>
<Sequence [A001239: Numbers that are the sum of 3 nonnegative cubes in more than 1 way.]>
<Sequence [A001240: Expansion of 1/((1-2x)(1-3x)(1-6x)).]>
<Sequence [A001241: Differences of reciprocals of unity.]>
<Sequence [A001242: Differences of reciprocals of unity.]>

seems this is a common pattern

Nobody

15:41

Anyone buy codegolf.se on GoDaddy for $26.99 please

I mean, uhh

That would be a nice shortener which the url makes sense

Cows quack

but theregister.co.uk/2017/07/24/…

Nobody

Any alternative services?

Wolfram should make a little company on canada called 'Mathemati' and let it develop Mathematica so the url can be Mathemati.ca

btw RIP GoDaddy

Downgoat

15:57

@Nobody namecheap is the one all the cool kids use 10/10 do reccomend

PhiNotPi

I used internet.bs for my website

Doorknob

Gandi is really good, and it's what I use for mine (and for kbd.fi).

Okx

@Nobody godaddy is a scam

wizzwizz4

@Okx Many are.

In fact, GoDaddy don't have codegolf.se exclusively.

Dennis

16:24

@Downgoat Namecheap has given me a lot of trouble lately. On at least three occasions, I made changes to my DNS records in the frontend that were never broadcast. Had to chat with support to fix it.

On the plus side, support managed to fix it quickly on all occasions.

John Dvorak

16:43

My router has recently been requiring restarts every once in a while after having worked flawlessly for years. Any estimate when it dies?

trichoplax

17:05

Does anyone happen to know off hand whether comments on a pull request on GitHub automatically inform the requester?

John Dvorak

Guess: yes.

Cows quack

Yes, or at least it always happened to me

DJMcMayhem

I believe so

trichoplax

Excellent. Thanks all :)

In other news: I got my first ever GitHub pull request :)

Phoenix

17:31

@ConorO'Brien I noticed that you have this deleted answer. May I ask why you deleted it? Another user has the same solution here.

Conor O'Brien

it doesn't work for the second to last test case

IIRC

2 4 0 5 6 1 3

I guess it does

Phoenix

feelsbadman

Conor O'Brien

^

Mr. Xcoder

17:47

Hi there

John Dvorak

There isn't here, but welcome anyways

Step Hen

Would base-62, 0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ, be unintuitive, or should I make it base-64 just because that's what's standard?

Conor O'Brien

is this for a golf lang?

Step Hen

@ConorO'Brien an esolang

but definitely not golfy, just trying to not have lengthy numbers

since numbers are pretty important and common and I don't have too many operators

Conor O'Brien

I mean if you're aiming for short go for base 94/base 255

Step Hen

17:54

@ConorO'Brien Well the problem is that I'm doing a kind of op num op num op num op num thing for commands, without the spaces

Conor O'Brien

o_O

Step Hen

I'm just wondering if using only letters/numbers for command numerals would be intuitive in base 62

@ConorO'Brien (that's one command, each number means something different and each op is different)

trichoplax

You want to be able to write +1+2+3 so you don't want + to be a numeral

Step Hen

@trichoplax basically

Conor O'Brien

any other base than base ten (and perhaps 2,8,or 16) is going to be unintuitive.

trichoplax

17:56

In some ways I'd find base 62 more intuitive than base 58 or base 64

Mr. Xcoder

CMC: Given an integer 26 ≥ i ≥ 1 (or 25 ≥ i ≥ 0, up to you), covert it to its corresponding letter in the english alphabet.

Step Hen

@trichoplax ok, thanks for the input

Mr. Xcoder

26 -> z, 1 -> a, 5 -> e (1-indexed)

John Dvorak

->n{(n+65).chr}

Conor O'Brien

J, 7 bytes: u:@+&97

Mr. Xcoder

17:58

Jelly does it in 3 bytes.

trichoplax

@StepHen I think people will get used to whatever you choose anyway, so I'd base the decision on what works best. If the letters are also commands, do you need a terminating character for base 62 strings?

Mr. Xcoder

Jelly, 3 bytes: ịØA

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