The Nineteenth Byte

Dennis

19:00

@Downgoat You're allowed to drink way before you're allowed to drive.

DJMcMayhem

What is the driving age in Germany?

Dennis

18

Used to be, anyway. I think it's 17 with supervision in some parts now.

DJMcMayhem

I find it incredibly stupid that the age of adulthood and the drinking age are different in the US

Dennis

Agreed. If you can trust someone with a gun, you can trust them with a beer.

DJMcMayhem

Yup. Especially since tobacco is legal at 18, but then alcohol and marijuana aren't.

Downgoat

19:03

Though the more liberal states are the one with more gun legislation and higher drinking ages

Business Cat

^^ Ninja'd I was just typing that out

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem O_o wait wat

DJMcMayhem

(not that I would smoke if I could, I just don't understand the discrepancy)

Dennis

16 yo can smoke in Germany as well.

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat Yes, I am legally allowed to give myself lung cancer, but I can't have a beer.

Poke

19:05

you're also allowed to enlist in the military and go to war

but not have a beer

Dennis

I'm giving myself lung cancer right now.

DJMcMayhem

Cigarettes? Cigars?

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem Where I live I'm pretty sure its 21

Erik the Outgolfer

@Dennis technically

Wheat Wizard

I think smoking age might be a state thing.

Dennis

19:06

Cigarettes. My stomach doesn't tolerate cigars.

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard Oh, I guess I forgot it's a state thing

Business Cat

Here the ages for both are 19

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, in Colorado, it's tobacco at 18 and alcohol/pot at 21

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem Actually its 18 in my state but 21 in my county.

looked it up

Business Cat

Marijuana is not (yet) legal here (technically)

DJMcMayhem

19:07

New york, right?

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem *facepalm*

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem Yes

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem there is like 0 regard for minimum pot age in California though :P

Erik the Outgolfer

why should you even prevent somebody who has the right to do much worse things from just drinking? I just don't get it...

DJMcMayhem

But I have no desire to smoke pot ever. The smell is nasty

Downgoat

19:08

@DJMcMayhem oh, in that case don't come to SF :P

Erik the Outgolfer

what does sf have to do with pot???

DJMcMayhem

Oh don't worry, I get plenty of opportunities to smell it here

Mile high city, remember? ;)

Downgoat

:||||||||||

> The ministry of silly walks

google maps is not pointing me to denver

Downgoat

19:36

@Riker did you go through with this and I missed it or what happen

@Mendeleev ^ that is what a real Down Wat is

Question: is it better idea to use React or Pug server side

DJMcMayhem

That is horrifying

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat Wut

totallyhuman

what in the world...

LegionMammal978

You see, npm debug freezes when I step over a certain require in your lib/cli/vsl.js

But when I use the step function to go all the way to the bottom, it continues as usual

totallyhuman

also i did a golf and xnor was liek "oh yeah?" and did an out-golf >_>

LegionMammal978

19:50

So that's over 300 memorized keystrokes I need to input before debugging the actual program

(600 including the return key)

But yeah, for some reason, it just doesn't like me next'ing over node_modules/core-js/library/modules/_iter-detect.js

Riker

@Downgoat it was for a brief time

Downgoat

@LegionMammal978 actaully wat :P

@LegionMammal978 wait you should use debugger; statement

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat Will it start the debugger just running that statement?

Also, my sequence of keystrokes (repeated manually, separated by newlines, hundreds of times):

nsnsn1sn8snsn5snsn2sn10sn13snsn1sn8snsn5snsn2sn10sn1snsn1sn8snsn5snsn2sn10sn1sns
n1sn8snsn5snsn2sn10s1nsn1sn8snsn5snsn2sn10snsnsn1sn8snsn5snsn2sn10sn1snsn1sn8sns
n5snsn2sn10sn174

Mendeleev

It's showing up as the name of the Phison controller inside it

Size 20MB

LegionMammal978

@Mendeleev RIP @Mendeleev's SSD, 20xx-2017

Mendeleev

20:01

Everything I can find on the internet says that this was a failed firmware flash, but I've never updated the firmware on this

Basically what I think happened was that the power cable vibrated out of the socket while in use, triggering some mode

Downgoat

@LegionMammal978 it sets a breakpoint

Mendeleev

Then some normal writes started rewriting the firmware

Downgoat

so you cna just use c

Mendeleev

Now it's ded

Downgoat

and it'll stop there

Mendeleev

20:02

@LegionMammal978 2013

DJMcMayhem

→ 1 message moved to Trash

Mendeleev

:(

RIP my desktop computer and RIP my files :(

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat Is it possible to run the tests on the debugger?

Downgoat

@Mendeleev what is size of SSD physically?

Mendeleev

Good thing I had my home directory on a HDD

Jim

20:03

@Mendeleev Was it 120~128GB?

Mendeleev

@Downgoat 120GB

@Jim Yep

Downgoat

@Mendeleev like in inches

Mendeleev

2.5

Downgoat

@LegionMammal978 no but i do have a debugger friendly test hook

Jim

@Mendeleev I bought mine the same year, 128GB, still up and running really good

LegionMammal978

20:03

@Downgoat ???

Could we discuss this on Slack?

Mendeleev

@Jim Mine was one of the cheapest, it's "Patriot Blaze"

Very slow

Still better than an HDD though

Jim

@Mendeleev At that time SSD were still more than a euro per GB ^^

Mendeleev

Might be 2014 then

I know I was in 6th grade...

Jim

@Mendeleev Mine is a Samsung, pretty robust according to the critics

Mendeleev

@Jim Yeah I wanted a Samsung model but my dad hates Samsung for whatever reason so he refused to buy one

Jim

20:06

@Mendeleev Well, sorry for you :/

Mendeleev

D:

Downgoat

@LegionMammal978 on c9 it's test.js

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat Fine, I'll stop the blasphemous sh**p worship, just let me back on the Slack

Downgoat

@LegionMammal978 can u give emsil >_< goo.gl/forms/HyfKUOQxZH7KQhzi1

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Find the maximum number of coprimes in a set Inspired by a recent question on Math.stackexchange.com, which I can't find anymore. The challenge Exactly what it says on the tin. You are given a set of integers and you have to create a program (according to the default definitions on meta) that ...

LegionMammal978

20:12

@Downgoat You should already have it

Downgoat

>_< may have lost it

i didnt know deactivsting would remove from group >_____<

LegionMammal978

Apparently you can reactivate it?

If you're a Team Administrator?

Downgoat

Huh ok done fixified

LegionMammal978

20:24

@Downgoat You there?

LegionMammal978

20:38

"Reference Error: It Is Not Defined" sounds like a movie title

betseg

Segmentation Fault: Core Dumped

7

why star tho

stars*

Downgoat

@betseg there's a ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) in there somewhere

betseg

Northern Anatolian Fault: Istanbul Dumped

Mendeleev

@Downgoat You're a sheep

betseg

:o

Downgoat

20:49

@Mendeleev WAT NO HOW DARE YOU EXCUSE ME 0/10 ofensive

LegionMammal978

Why is @betseg's message still not on the starboard?

betseg

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mendeleev

@LegionMammal978 It totally is

Downgoat

we should not allow this form of cursing at other tnb users >:|

LegionMammal978

Mendeleev

20:51

LegionMammal978

And my screenshot also isn't there

Wait, just refreshed the page, now it's working

Weird

Mendeleev

@xnor Isn't A XNOR B just (A AND B) OR (A NAND B)

polyglotrealIknow

Hi

I want to get SMBF working offline

Mendeleev

SMBF?

Self Modifying Brainf**k?

polyglotrealIknow

yes

is 0a

equal to 6

betseg

21:00

10?

polyglotrealIknow

is 0a 10?

betseg

yes

New Main Posts

1

Q: Gif - Jif, Jif - Gif

Stolen from @Downgoat with permission The point of this challenge is to (not) settle the debate on the pronunciation of "gif". " The pronunciation of gif is debated and while it's supposed to be (and should be) pronounced jif, it's still commonly disputed. In this challenge you will be giv...

Downgoat

???

Jim

Does someone know in Pyth how to easily replace only the first occurrence in a string?

Mendeleev

21:09

@Downgoat Look at the image upside down

Downgoat

:O

betseg

6

Mendeleev

what

Riker

what game?

betseg

dunno found on reddit

reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/6iv9lw/1999_8_0/dj9m0vy ... oh

LegionMammal978

21:14

@Downgoat The mocha debugger is doing the same thing the node debugger did, it stops working when I jump over the first package import

DJMcMayhem

Wow, the steam link is only 15 bucks

quartata

If that's TF2 that's probably a bug, TF2 used to cost $19.99

Downgoat

Question: is there 2d type intersect algorithm that mutate original items

or do i have to create new array and clear old arrays and push each item

Riker

Downgoat

21:29

Should the alignment for T always be sizeof T?

@Riker :O

Question: do motherboard generally come with the cable to atach the frontpanel ports?

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Beat the turing test king-of-the-hill Both you and your bot have to connect to a speed dating chatroom (details below) where you will either be paired up with another bot, or with another human. You get 30 seconds to converse with your partner before you are disconnected, and are presented with ...

Downgoat

Question:: if 8GB ram cost $30 why does 32GB cost $240. $30 * 4 = $120 which is barely the price of 16GB rams

Riker

magic

betseg

21:45

DDR?

first one: DDR1 second one: DDR4

New Sandboxed Posts

1

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

A dog on a chain I'm looking out of my attic window into my neighbor's yard. They have a dog chained to a post in the center of the yard. The dog runs around the yard but is always on the end of its chain, so it ends up leaving a track in the dirt. Normally this track would be perfectly circul...

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Primitive Repetition code-golf primes A repunit in any base B is a number consisting solely of 1s in that base. Your task is to figure out if a repunit consisting of N in base B is a prime number. Rules N >= 2 B >= 1 N and B may be taken in any order and in any reasonable method. Output a co...

DJMcMayhem

@betseg I don't think they even sell ddr1 any more

betseg

ik jk

Destructible Lemon

22:11

yeah so I need to make that custom codepage

how do you do that again?

Downgoat

@betseg no both are ddr4

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat How the hell are you getting 8GB DDR4 for 30$?

ATaco

@DestructibleLemon read bytes instead of characters, map your Bytes to your custom code page if you want before processing, document your code page

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem idk was first result on google.p

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco so if I make a program that reads characters, then converts in place on the document into ` and ~...

that would work?

O i know. I'll make a program that invokes the other program but takes input with ` and ~ as the things

ATaco

22:22

@DestructibleLemon yeah, that would work. Make sure to document your code page, and you might want a "utf8" flag for easier implementation in tio

Adám

WHy does Retina derive from PCRE if its regexes come from .NET?

Downgoat

@Adám I guess because .NET derive from PCRE maybe?

Adám

@Downgoat Really? .NET seem less powerful than PCRE. At least, so it seems to me.

Downgoat

No way, .NET is potentially TC but PCRE can only do CFG

Nathan Merrill

github.com/nick-paul/aya-lang

Adám

22:32

@Downgoat Oh, well I just found:

Comparison of regular expression engines

This is a comparison of regular expression engines. == Libraries == == Languages == == Language features == NOTE: An application using a library for regular expression support does not necessarily offer the full set of features of the library, e.g. GNU grep which uses PCRE does not offer lookahead support, though PCRE does. === Part 1 === === Part 2 === == API features == == See also == Regular expression § Implementations and running times == References == == External links == Regular Expression Flavor Comparison — Detailed comparison of the most popular regular expressio...

Seems that .NET does not have recursion like PCRE, but does have balancing groups and variable length look-behinds, which PCRE doesn't have. (I don't really know what any of those things mean.) I guess both have pros and cons.

Luckily Dyalog APL has both PCRE and .NET regex built in. :-)

Downgoat

22:46

:O how

Isn't .NET proprietary

Adám

@Downgoat Dyalog APL is a .NET language, see the very bottom of this page.

Kritixi Lithos

@Adám Dyalog also has .NET regex built-in?! wow that is so powerful

Mendeleev

So as you might have heard, my SSD failed today

Now I'm running Windows 10 off a 80GB hard drive

Adám

@KritixiLithos Yes, it is basically the union of C# and traditional APL. Really easy to make Windows apps in Dyalog APL.

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Aligned Subsequences Given a string s and an integer n, generate all contiguous subsequences of length n from the start and align them. For example, given the string s = "abcdefg" and n = 4, abcd bcde cdef defg Rules Trailing whitespace is allowed. n < len(s) This is code-golf. A re...

Mendeleev

22:52

@Adám Is APL your favorite programming language?

Downgoat

@Mendeleev which brand/model SSD did you have?

Mendeleev

@Downgoat Patriot Blaze

HyperNeutrino

CMC: Cause a segfault

Adám

@Mendeleev Yes. Favorite and only. (I'll jump through hoops to avoid JavaScript, but occasionally I have to use it.)

Phoenix

int f(){printf("%s",0);}

HyperNeutrino

22:54

@Phoenix I don't know C well, but is that trying to access the memory at pointer 0 which is the issue?

Phoenix

@Downgoat .NET Core is FOSS

@HyperNeutrino The issue is %s tells printf to expect as an arg a string

To print numbers you would use %d

Mendeleev

@Phoenix Remember the Arc theme?

Phoenix

Ye

Mendeleev

HyperNeutrino

Wait, so that's a segfault? Are there no type errors? (I know a bit about string formatting :P)

Mendeleev

22:55

Yes, that's exactly what you think it is

HyperNeutrino

A screenshot?

Mendeleev

No

well, yes

HyperNeutrino

exactly

Phoenix

@HyperNeutrino Well, it tries to cast the int to a character pointer, and then tries to read from address 0

HyperNeutrino

so it is trying to access memory at pointer 0

Phoenix

22:56

I say "cast", at that level there aren't really such things as types

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino void f(){printf("sheep are not completely horrible creature");} any works on the ~~GoatPropogandaOS~~ all sane operating system

HyperNeutrino

pointer == address close enough

Phoenix

@HyperNeutrino It would work 99% of the time no matter which number you put in

HyperNeutrino

@Downgoat that would cause a compiler error

Ah. Okay. :P

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino fixdeified

HyperNeutrino

22:56

still would

Downgoat

wait wat why

HyperNeutrino

you need a semicolon ya silly goat :P (wait do you?)

Phoenix

In C yes

Downgoat

idk what you're talking about

HyperNeutrino

@Downgoat chat.stackexchange.com/messages/38309398/history

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Adám

22:58

How do you strike text through?

HyperNeutrino

---hi---

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino ¯\_( ͡ ͡ ͡ ͡ ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ ͡ ͡ ͡ ͡ ͡ಠ)_/¯

oh god what have I done

Phoenix

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

4

HyperNeutrino

11 upvotes on the most upvoted answer, 22 upvotes, 44 answers, ooh nice

until i upvoted things

Downgoat

DPRK is spreading pro-goat propoganda, I'm not sure how to feel about this :|

Phoenix

23:00

@Mendeleev Is it the same one as softpedia.com/blog/… or is there a new one?

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco Does anyone really use the special codepage flags on tio though?

HyperNeutrino

gtg now, ಠ/

Mendeleev

@Phoenix Yeah

Phoenix

Ok installing now

Downgoat

@DestructibleLemon just say you have a code-page and everyone will believe

Destructible Lemon

23:01

if I just added to the repo the thing that does that it should work good enough to count ≤≥ as one byte each

brb making

Adám

@KritixiLithos Intro to Dyalog APL .NET.

CMC: Given a .NET object, call its ToString method.

Kritixi Lithos

Does it only work on Windows?

Destructible Lemon

ok it was borked

Kritixi Lithos

"it" being .NET in Dyalog

Destructible Lemon

but I realised what the bork was

"something".translate(str.maketrans("something","seomthing"))

hangs

like wtf

Adám

23:16

@KritixiLithos For now, I think so, but I think we are looking into adding support for .NET Core and/or Mono.

Destructible Lemon

wait no, actually print is hanging

wtf

oh wait. nevermind

Dennis

@Downgoat That's not how code pages work.

Destructible Lemon

@Dennis can you put sad-flak on tio in a minute when I commit and push most recent changes?

Phoenix

@Adám Core > Mono

Dennis

@DestructibleLemon I doubt I'll be able to today (I'm not at home), but if you leave a link in talk, I'll add it asap.

Phoenix

23:26

@Adám n=>n.toString()

Destructible Lemon

@Dennis I think I pinged you earlier before I realised there was a ton of bugs. also I will need to you to pull turtlèd as I fixed a major bug in it

Mendeleev

Ugh why is Windows so restrictive

Adám

@Phoenix OK. Anyway, that is very far from my job in Dyalog. John takes care of things like that. He's made Dyalog APL GUI apps run on his smartwatch and TV.

Mendeleev

I can't even change the window manager, have to use dwm.exe

Adám

@Phoenix What language is that?

Phoenix

23:28

C#

Downgoat

@Dennis opls I never had a code page translate for unicorn for longest time and everyone just went with it :P

Adám

@Phoenix Makes sense somehow.

Downgoat

>_< I shouldn't be saying that

Phoenix

@Adám The CMC doesn't make sense in non-.NET langs and in .NET langs it's trivial.

Adám

@KritixiLithos Can you guess how to call ToString on a .NET object in Dyalog APL?

Dennis

23:29

@DestructibleLemon Yes, you did. I tend to miss or forget about pings in TNB though unless it's something I can attend to immediately. For all things TIO, it' better to ping me in talk.tryitonline.net

Phoenix

I suppose n=>n+"" is golfier

Adám

@Phoenix Ah, see?

Destructible Lemon

@Dennis thanx

Dennis

@Downgoat brb nuking all Unicorn answers

Phoenix

But it's n+"" in all langs with the .NET addition operator.

Destructible Lemon

23:30

is that what you mean by talk? because I was kind of confused by that

github.com/Destructible-Watermelon/Woefully

whoops wrong room

Adám

@Phoenix is that op_Addition?

Phoenix

Probably

Destructible Lemon

I have made my "codepage translator"

Mendeleev

Testing

Destructible Lemon

by codepage translator, I mean it converts `~ to ≤≥ and vice versa

vice versa because you never know when you might need ` and ~

Mendeleev

23:36

ShareX is awesome

@DestructibleLemon I read that as "covfefe translator" for a moment

Adám

@Phoenix Just tried it in Dyalog APL, which does have op_Addtion, but it rejects the addition of a string to an object (a DateTime). However, that may be because + is not used for string concatenation in APL.

Helka Homba

Do the steam summer sale prices usually stay steady? e.g. maybe deals are better at the start/eemd of it?

would @mego know? :)

Destructible Lemon

O i just remembered: I have to add the old mit license now

Mendeleev

Why is CS:GO taking so long to download

It's only 6.6 GB

Destructible Lemon

done

Mendeleev

23:44

Should be done in a few minutes

Destructible Lemon

now I shall go answer any challenges posted in the time I committed the changes just before

someone make a new challenge!

trichoplax

Make it happen sooner by giving Sandbox feedback...

Destructible Lemon

kk

ATaco

"Only 6.6 GB"

Mendeleev

But with my Internet connection, the download should finish within 5 minutes

I just downloaded all of Wikipedia in about 20 minutes ffs

Destructible Lemon

23:52

no you didn't

Mendeleev

Yeah I did

Destructible Lemon

liar

Mendeleev

Over Wifi even

New Main Posts

0

Q: Sink that Bismark! (Errr, pig)

Objective Undo a pig-latin string. Instructions Write a function that takes one argument, a single word in the form of a string. If that word is in pig-latin, the function must output (i.e. return or print it) the pig-latin undone word. If it isn't pig-latin, output the word as-is. Pig-latin ...

code-golf

Helka Homba

@Mendeleev *English Wikipedia

Destructible Lemon

23:56

koth idea: connect 4 with fog of war

Mendeleev

Semantics

Helka Homba

Maybe steam is just slow because of summer sale

New Meta Posts

0

Q: Should creating a new lambda class be allowed?

Preface This question is specifically targeting Java answers. I have little to no knowledge of any other program languages, though I expect that the questions I raise below will apply to other statically-typed languages as well. This question was "inspired" by this PPCG answer. Java Lambdas (s...

discussion

0

Q: Who has the final say on a challenge?

For the mod election questionnaire, I asked about a hypothetical situation: A new-ish user posts a well-posed challenge that quickly gets many answers. An hour later, they edit in a restriction that invalidates most of the existing answers. An experienced user whose answer was invalidat...

discussion moderation challenges

PhiNotPi

@DestructibleLemon how would the fog of war be like?

Destructible Lemon

I'm not sure entirely.

Anonymous

23:58

@HelkaHomba The deals are the same throughout the entire sale. Sometimes stuff goes on sale partway through, but that's not very common. Flash sales and daily sales aren't a thing anymore because of refund scamming.

Destructible Lemon

@Mego I actually think they say asking for a refund because of sales isn't scamming

PhiNotPi

One option would be that you know where your piece lands when you play it, but nothing else. The only way to tell where an opponent has played is to play on top of them, at which point you can determine how many pieces the opponent has played in that column since the last time you played in that column.

Transcript for