The Nineteenth Byte

1:00 PM

@HyperNeutrino This isn't code but it's formatted as such. That's misleading and it's ugly, too, from my POV.

That being said, your comment is probably not the most tactful way to go about bringing this change:

If someone thinks this question could be nicer formatted and the error therein corrected please go ahead. Reps would be nice but it are only 2 anyway and I can live without them, even if it is a bit...well you probably know how it is, being overruled by someone with a kindergarden penguin in his/her profile. — Gerold Broser 16 hours ago

user165474

Yes, I agree. It's not the right way to go about having your edit rejected. Raise it on meta politely and respectfully if you want to get it done and not have your account suspended.

Gerold Broser

@Geobits Yes, I know that it isn't. With the lack of expressing my intentions behind the edit...oh, I did that, in the edit comment...ok, with the lack of being able to veto such a decision sometimes the only things left are irony and maybe sarcasm, sometimes.

Geobits

@HyperNeutrino Uh, I don't think anyone's going to be suspended here.

user165474

probably not

user165474

1:03 PM

But still

Gerold Broser

I deleted the comment in question in this very moment.

user165474

Okay.

Gerold Broser

But what about the edit now?

user165474

I get 0.8775824652777777 with python

user165474

Which rounds to .87758247

Geobits

1:07 PM

Personally, I don't agree with the formatting edit. It doesn't make it less clear or uglier the way it is, from my POV.

AdmBorkBork

I'm not sure that the superscripts in this particular instance make it easier to read and understand. If the site had something like MathJax, sure, but with just Markdown-style, the superscripts and subscripts are generally tiny.

Gerold Broser

@HyperNeutrino Yes, that's what I mentioned in my edit comment. But, if you round, you must not use an ellipsis...from both mathematical and linguistic point of views.

user165474

True.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork They aren't less tiny with MathJax. See https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/299691/do-multicore-reduces-power-consumption/299699#299699 for example.
And because of the lack of MathJax here I decided to use <sup>.

betseg

@HyperNeutrino in the plus or minus polyglot challenge I posted an answer with the same method as your answer, but I didn't see your answer before posting o.O

user165474

1:15 PM

Oh rip o.O

user165474

is it shorter though?

betseg

I mean, another language, same 1/2 method

user165474

Oh okay.

user165474

Well it's a bit different.

user165474

Mine uses 1/2

user165474

1:17 PM

Yours uses the auto class with 0.5

user165474

So still kind of different :P

betseg

Still, -4*0.5 is the same method IMO

user165474

True.

user165474

<shrug>

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser On IE11, Win8.1, scaling as 125% on a 1080p monitor, I get 7 pixels in height for the <sup> style. With MathJax on the same setup, I get 11 pixels in height. That's a substantial difference.

Gerold Broser

1:23 PM

@AdmBorkBork
1) "IE11, Win8.1, scaling as 125% on a 1080p monitor" is not the only configuration on this planet.
2) What's your best solution for superscripts then? `b^n`? Really?

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser 1) I never said it was. 2) Yes, on a site geared towards programming, that's widely understood as exponentiation.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork It's not that I, or others for that matter, don't understand it. But in this context it isn't – programming – code. It's a – mathematical – equation there.

user165474

Solution: Write it out and insert an image.

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser Code blocks are widely used on this site for much more than just literal code. Describing a mathematical sequence, exactly specifying output, iterating through a process, and the list goes on. As a result, it makes perfect sense, in the context of the site, to have the equation specified using a code block and code conventions

Gerold Broser

1:39 PM

@AdmBorkBork Re "widely used" there's a matching saying in my language but I'm not going to translate it here since it contains the s*** word. :)

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser I'm just attempting to explain why your suggested edit could be viewed as "harmful" by people (myself included), and thus rejected.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork I know. Thank you for taking the time to do that. "Harmful" – though in (air-)quotes – is a bit harsh. Isn't it?
There's https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice with:
"**[...] assume good intentions**
...
**In summary, have fun, and be good to each other.**"

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser Multi-line chat messages don't support Markdown.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork Yes, I know. But, like ^ superscripts, everyone should know what this means. And since this is a citation it has to be as close as possible to the source.

AdmBorkBork

Gotcha. I was just guessing as to the reason for the edit, as that's a common reason for a multi-line edit in chat.

I also was using "harmful" also in the context of the site. One of the default reject reasons is regarding "harm" in the broad sense up to and including "not making it better."

Gerold Broser

1:56 PM

@AdmBorkBork I'm not a native English speaker but "harm" is quite a bit stronger for me than "does not adhere to site consensus", "does not add ...", "is not useful because ..." or the like.

AdmBorkBork

All correct, and I don't disagree, but (I'm guessing) the wording needed to be shrunk to fit in the space, and so "harm" was used rather than explicitly spelling out several variations.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork Fit in what space? The dialog(s) when flagging, rejecting, etc.?

@AdmBorkBork BTW, there are 1.4 million hits at Google if I enter the translation of the saying mentioned above. It seems it is well-known in your language, as well. :)

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2:17 PM

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I have an idea for a question and am wondering if it would be classed as off-topic here. It is a programming puzzle/challenge but doesn't require anyone to submit a program and it's not the program that wins the competition. Is this off-topic? I have written out my question below as if I had actu...

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Gerold Broser

I gave it another try: codegolf.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/38964

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser Yes, that was my intention.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork What are you referring to? The dialog space?

AdmBorkBork

Right.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork That's funny somehow. You talk about a 1080p monitor, I have two 24"s in front of me, widescreens are widespread nowadays...OK, there are smart phones and tablets now...but are there so many people that work from such a device – in the sense of writing – compared to rather reading on it?

betseg

2:25 PM

www.google.com/search?q=is+google+down

7

Lol

user165474

lol that's totally useful.

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser I don't pretend to be a graphic designer or layout artist. My CSS skills are utter crap (and I freely admit as such). I was making a semi-educated guess as to why they chose the wording they did.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork I see. But no, it wasn't a "semi-educated guess" at all. I think it was a good one.

mbomb007

I just got a Chrome extension to make tabs have a width of 4. Now I can rest easy.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork My comment was not intended to blame you (sry, if it was written that ambiguously).

AdmBorkBork

2:31 PM

No blame perceived.

mbomb007

@mınxomaτ So Bill Gates had the same shower curtain, then?

@AdmBorkBork Challenge... Accepted. 😎

AdmBorkBork

I ... wow, that was Geobits-level bad-pun.

mınxomaτ

@mbomb007 I just wonder how much time you'd have to spend in your shower and your flight sim in order to notice the difference.

mbomb007

@mınxomaτ If you do both at the same time...

mınxomaτ

Right. It's a plane convertible.

Downgoat

2:38 PM

@DJMcMayhem ␛w? :3

mbomb007

@Downgoat graphemica.com/blocks/control-pictures

AdmBorkBork

Downgoat

@mbomb007 thanks

mbomb007

I bookmarked that, since I like using ␀

Downgoat

Question: in presentation would it be good idea to describe why hate is a problem, or is that kinda self explanatory

mbomb007

2:41 PM

ehhh. You don't need to "preach to the choir". Generally, your goal is to convince your audience of something, so you don't need to convince them if they already believe it.

If you do, make it short.

Because most people probably agree.

Downgoat

So don't have slide dedicated to it?

mbomb007

I'd say not.

Gerold Broser

How can I invite a user to a room I created a few days ago? I only see:

- invite this user...
...to the other room I'm in now...
- start a new room with this user...

in his drop-down.

Downgoat

ok thanks

mbomb007

@AdmBorkBork I really like the desktop background...

I want it.

AdmBorkBork

2:44 PM

Tis pretty.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork Are these real drum pads on that rig?

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser Don't you need to be in a room to invite someone to it?

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork I'm in.

Downgoat

@AdmBorkBork you can move one of their messages to that room

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser I don't think so. I think they're a special mount that attaches to the VESA on the back of the monitor to provide swivel. I'm not sure; it's not my picture.

Gerold Broser

2:45 PM

@AdmBorkBork but it doesn't appear in the list to the right below the imgs

Riker

@Downgoat you can't without being an owner of the first room though

Downgoat

nailed it

Riker

@GeroldBroser is it frozen?

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser Not sure, then. 99% of the time, this is the only room I'm in.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork Because that's a drum set rig for electro drums, AFAIK.

@Riker I entered a test msg there...it appears in the list to the right now, but it still doesn't appear in the user's dropdown...maybe this takes its time...

Riker

2:49 PM

hm, it should appear

I dunno

Downgoat

Question: what is good name for a product which allow people to share story in safe environment

Gerold Broser

which kind of stories?

Downgoat

life stories and all

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Gerold Broser

"product" is a web site or an RCP?

Riker

2:52 PM

Downgoat

@GeroldBroser RCP? currently website

AdmBorkBork

@GeroldBroser That's what I had initially thought, too, but I can't think of a drum setup that would have three "snares" setup like that.

Gerold Broser

@Downgoat Rich Client Platform. That what SW used to be prior to the Web.

betseg

@Riker wow

Riker

^

I'd like to ask the maker of that gif a few questions

Gerold Broser

2:55 PM

@AdmBorkBork Not 3 snares but snare + floor toms.

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat nope. Try it. Pressing w then . has no effect

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem oh! <control char>o<motion>

Gerold Broser

@Downgoat NO HASSLE – Number One Highly Accepted Story Safe Liked by Everyone

I'm going to give you my account number later on. :)

Though, the "NO" at the beginning isn't the best choice from a psychological point of view. And "hassle" isn't a word considered as positive, too.

@Downgoat Or HASSLE-free

That includes the free of charge (I guess it is planned as such, is it?), freedom of speech, etc. which is positive.

AdmBorkBork

@Downgoat Name doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the product. Look at Tencent QQ, or Yahoo! (with a bang), or ...

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat which control character? I'm confused. Did you try it?

Oh wait, I see what you mean

So like <C-o>w?

AdmBorkBork

3:07 PM

> cow

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem yeah

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork That's right. But it helps for identifying, for corporate identity. Those you mention are already well-known big players, it's less important there.

@AdmBorkBork And "Yahoo!" perfectly matches the sound if you found something on, well, Yahoo!.

AdmBorkBork

heh

Poke

what are everyone's thoughts on verizon buying both AOL and Yahoo

2 bad companies

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent_QQ#History :
"Tencent QQ was first released in China in February 1999 under the name of OICQ ("Open ICQ", a reference to the early IM service ICQ).
After the threat of a trademark infringement lawsuit by the AOL-owned ICQ, the product's name was changed to QQ (with "Q" and "QQ" used to stand for the word "cute")."
So, the original name had to do with the product. The new one...cant'tell, I don't know it.

AdmBorkBork

3:16 PM

Huh, TIL.

@Poke Eh, I see it as a way for them to try and remain competitive with Comcast.

Poke

@AdmBorkBork interesting... explain?

AdmBorkBork

I have a bit of a squick with regards to content distributors also being content creators/owners, but that's really my personal ideology. Comcast several years ago bought NBC/Universal.

mbomb007

Just created this: Users by Number of Sandboxed Posts

Riker

lol phi

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat from insert mode, right? Have you tried it? I don't think that'll work

Riker

3:19 PM

probably all half-done KOTHs that are pretty cool just not finished yet

DJMcMayhem

But I haven't tried it yet so idk

mbomb007

Deleted posts are not included

Poke

@AdmBorkBork but why buy companies that are notoriously not good? I could see making a case for "the technology is good but the security is just bad" but have you used AOL? their protocols are swiss cheese

Down Christopher

How is "input" taken in BF derivatives?

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mbomb007

3:27 PM

@DownChristopher As a character byte.

So if you take an integer 33, you take ! as input.

Down Christopher

Wait what. Example?

Riker

it takes char codes as input

for single characters

mbomb007

@DownChristopher tio.run/nexus/brainfuck#@6@jrff/vyIA

Down Christopher

Trippy

mbomb007

I actually prefer this BF interpreter, which is better than TIO's.

AdmBorkBork

3:29 PM

@Poke No, I have not used AOL. But literally dozens of millions of other people do. That's what they're buying. That's not even counting the brands and whatnot that AOL owns, like HuffPo or Engadget.

Gerold Broser

@AdmBorkBork ?

mbomb007

It supports multiple methods of input, memory dumps, a dynamic tape, etc.

Down Christopher

Well I am going for a bounty on 1/x challenge

Pavel

In that case you should take input as decimal digits.

mbomb007

So you're going to do decimal/float calculations in BF? ew

Down Christopher

3:30 PM

attempt is the word

converting a algorithm I found

mbomb007

Is float input required?

Ah, it is.

Yeah, in that case, you have to take it as a string, I guess.

Down Christopher

Wait... Hmm

Riker

@AdmBorkBork AOL owns the huff post?

TIL

Down Christopher

This won't work

Riker

that explains why it seems so out of date

Down Christopher

3:32 PM

I need a way to convert [] to Sesos code

AdmBorkBork

@Riker Among others.

Downgoat

@GeroldBroser 10/10 for backronym

mbomb007

Unless you ask the OP and he lets you take the float as its binary representation

@DownChristopher Sesos has jumps...

AdmBorkBork

@Riker After they split from TimeWarner, they went from being a primarily-ISP company to being a primarily-Media-Conglomerate company.

Riker

ah

mbomb007

3:33 PM

@DownChristopher Just pretend you're writing in Assembly, not BF.

Gerold Broser

@Downgoat Thx a lot. Always a pleasure.

Down Christopher

@mbomb007 So pretend I am writing in a language I don't know?

mbomb007

It has like 10 instructions.

github.com/DennisMitchell/sesos

Read what they do.

Pavel

CMC: Given a string of balanced brackets (){}{}<>, output the position of the bracket closing the first one. E.G. ({()}<[]>){{}} -> 9/10 (0/1-indexed)

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel Ooh, that's a good one. You should post it for brain-flak's birthday!

Pavel

3:36 PM

When is that?

DJMcMayhem

April 30

mbomb007

@DownChristopher It's pretty easy to figure it out, since you can try it on TIO until you get it.

tio.run/nexus/sesos

Pavel

!RemindMe April 30

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel vim, 10 bytes: %DVr<C-a>C1<esc>@"

Down Christopher

@mbomb007 that is what I am doing

changing char by char

AdmBorkBork

3:40 PM

@Pavel That's a pretty neat challenge. You should polish it up and post it.

Pavel

Now the challenge is remembering to do it on April 30

mbomb007

@DownChristopher Here's the Sesos program for +[.+]: program

Down Christopher

cool

@mbomb007

temp0[-]
temp1[-]
temp2[-]
temp3[-]
x[temp0+x-]
temp0[
y[temp1+temp2+y-]
temp2[y+temp2-]
temp1[
temp2+
temp0-[temp2[-]temp3+temp0-]
temp3[temp0+temp3-]
temp2[
temp1-
[x-temp1[-]]+
temp2-]
temp1-]
x+
temp0]

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel I'll remind you a day or two before so you have sandboxing time

Down Christopher

that is what I am going to do

DJMcMayhem

3:42 PM

I'd also be willing to take it over

Down Christopher

I do not think it supports floating point (yet)

mbomb007

I hate how the BF Algorithms page has all the "temp" vars you have to fill in.

Down Christopher

I KNOW

mbomb007

Just FYI, if it doesn't support floating point, you won't be able to use that algorithm.

Pavel

I'll set a reminder for myself on my phone.

mbomb007

3:42 PM

You have to take input as a float, not an integer, so I don't think it'll work.

Down Christopher

All you have to do is multiply by 10^7 or so and convert it back. And fix the problems

mbomb007

That BF algorithm probably does floored division.

Down Christopher

The multiplying allows you to get decimals

mbomb007

K. Don't use set mask then. That restricts cells to 256.

Down Christopher

ok

mbomb007

3:46 PM

lol

Pavel

You crashed my browser tab.

Down Christopher

@mbomb007 So mean

mbomb007

My computer handled it.

Pavel

What did you think +[.+] would do, anyway?

mbomb007

I know exactly what it'd do.

I just wanted to see the output, how far it'd get.

It made it through the entirety of Japanese and Chinese, truncating the output in the middle of Korean.

Down Christopher

3:51 PM

Wait what

mbomb007

Unicode characters.

Down Christopher

Ah

jmp sub 1 jne
fwd 1 jmp sub 1 jne
fwd 9 , jmp rwd 9 add 1 fwd 9 sub 1 jne
rwd 9 jmp
fwd 10 , jmp rwd 1 add 1 rwd 10 add 1 fwd 11 sub 1 jne rwd 11 jmp fwd 11 add 1 rwd 11 sub 1 jne
fwd 1 sub 1 jne

that should to x=x*y

Pavel

ꦱꦲ꦳ꦴꦵꦶꦷꦸꦹꦺꦻꦼꦽꦾꦿ꧀꧁꧂꧃꧄꧅

Fancy

Down Christopher

It is broken :(

Pavel

I was really hoping that it would hit some combining character and create the ultimate zalgo text, though.

mbomb007

3:55 PM

@DownChristopher Use jnz instead of jne.

Down Christopher

@mbomb007 ah ok

mbomb007

@Pavel That's past the truncated part I think.

If you run the equivalent in the online fishlanguage.com interpreter, it actually gets there.

The output is never truncated.

That is, it doesn't buffer the output. It streams it.

Down Christopher

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/57344/1-x-sesos

flawr

@Riker a fruit?

Riker

banana flower

flawr

4:01 PM

never seen one o-O

Riker

mbomb007

@Pavel Run this program on fishlanguage.com/playground, and run it with animation. Set the tick speed to 300.

1v
+>:o1

It'll take a long time to run.

Actually, this is faster:

101.
+:o1

Pavel

I can't figure out how to run the code

mbomb007

Click "submit", then "start"

Then drag the execution speed all the way to the right.

Pavel

I don't see the start button

mbomb007

4:06 PM

fishlanguage.com/playground

Yeah I'm there

That's fun to watch

I'm at 1050s

Mine looks nothing like that

mbomb007

4:08 PM

I said click "submit" first...

Kritixi Lithos

Submit it

mbomb007

Duh

Pavel

I did

Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 503 (Service Unavailable)

Exception from Tracker recompute function:
579a82204eb2f9c5bc4e02fdfa60ddddf14ffee7.js:3 ReferenceError: Fish is not defined
    at d.TemplateInstance.Template.fishProgram.created (579a82204eb2f9c5bc4e02fdfa60ddddf14ffee7.js:193)
    at 579a82204eb2f9c5bc4e02fdfa60ddddf14ffee7.js:47
    at Function.e._withTemplateInstanceFunc (579a82204eb2f9c5bc4e02fdfa60ddddf14ffee7.js:47)
    at n (579a82204eb2f9c5bc4e02fdfa60ddddf14ffee7.js:47)
    at d.View.<anonymous> (579a82204eb2f9c5bc4e02fdfa60ddddf14ffee7.js:47)

Welp

I guess it's borked

mbomb007

Works for me

Are you using Chrome?

Pavel

Yeah

mbomb007

4:12 PM

Pavel

I guess I'll try later then. Thx tho

betseg

@Riker @flawr did you know that bananas aren't "trees"?

@Riker the hospital im in right now has a banana "tree" in it but it don't know if it has a flower or not :D

Pavel

They're herbs.

Or so I've heard

Riker

@betseg why are you in the hospital o_O

but cool!

@betseg TIL

betseg

@Riker asthma :/ im here since yesterday, doesn't seem like I'll get out tomorrow too

Pavel

4:28 PM

Aww, that sucks.

Kritixi Lithos

Physicists observe 'negative mass'

3

Pavel

*sends cookies*

Gerold Broser

@Downgoat Why don't you really embed your SE User Flair in your profile like I do, for instance?

Helka Homba

> Physicists have created a fluid with "negative mass", which accelerates backwards when pushed.

What?

Kritixi Lithos

Ikr, it's so weird...ly cool!

betseg

4:30 PM

@Pavel *Erdoğan eats them in the customs*

Gerold Broser

@HelkaHomba In which universe?

betseg

@GeroldBroser our

DJMcMayhem

V just hit 40 stars on github! \o/

Helka Homba

@KritixiLithos Jump in a pool of the stuff and it pushes you back out

user165474

\o/

Gerold Broser

4:30 PM

@betseg Source?

Helka Homba

2 mins ago, by Kritixi Lithos

Physicists observe 'negative mass'

betseg

2 mins ago, by Kritixi Lithos

Physicists observe 'negative mass'

Ninja'd

Pavel

@betseg Who's Erdoğan?

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel If you are planning on posting that balanced string question for brain-flak's birthday, would you mind coming to the third stack so we can plan out some timing?

Pavel

k

DJMcMayhem

4:31 PM

ty

Kritixi Lithos

@HelkaHomba That would be really cold (pun not intended)

> cooled rubidium atoms to just above the temperature of absolute zero

betseg

@Pavel Turkey's president?

Pavel

Ah

Gerold Broser

Ah, Bose-Einstein condensate...quantum mechanics...

I consider this to be just a mathematical trick then. :) Or is David Copperfield in town?

Helka Homba

Maybe the universe has floating point errors when temperatures are too close to 0

7

So undefined stuff happens

user165474

4:35 PM

>_>

user165474

We need to use stricfp to make sure weird things don't happen

Pavel

You'd think god could afford Mathematica for doing precise calculations.

Jan Dvorak

Nope. Weird things are by design.

user165474

Budget cuts.

Jan Dvorak

Performance optimization.

user165474

4:38 PM

Memory limitations.

betseg

@HelkaHomba our universe actually has underflow errors:

> A substance with a negative temperature is not colder than absolute zero, but rather it is hotter than infinite temperature. -Negative temperature, Wikipedia

user165474

The universe has issues.

user165474

It can't even handle negative numbers.

Helka Homba

@betseg how does that not break conservation of energy? o.O

user165474

>_>

Jan Dvorak

4:39 PM

Nope. Universe is doing just fine. It's you that have issues with the universe.

Gerold Broser

@betseg Negative temperature is just a matter of the scale. ;)

Helka Homba

but absolute zero is absolute (supposedly..)

Jan Dvorak

The universe doesn't even know you're calling it a negative temperature.

It would make more sense to use 1/temperature, in fact.

flawr

@betseg bananas are fruits

:)

betseg

Bleh

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