The Nineteenth Byte

Emigna

14:00

@AdmBorkBork Thanks!

quartata

Pytek needs it for compiling threads to WebWorkers

since apparently whoever made WebWorkers decided it would be hilarious if they stripped out every important part of threads then introduce them later as separate proposals

AdmBorkBork

Threading? We don't need no stinking threading!

quartata

Boggles the mind.

WebWorkers are truly useless without a way of sharing state.

AdmBorkBork

Barbaric. What is this, DOS 2?

quartata

Looks like emscripten is waiting on it too.

They have all the code for compiling pthreads but they've been waiting 2 years for this to reach stage 4. I feel so bad for them

fəˈnɛtɪk

14:05

@MatthewRoh I have no clue what you just said. Please try to fix your grammar...

Downgoat

@quartata if you're attempting to use stage 4 es2017 proposal you'll be waiting 2 more years just about. Is there no other way

quartata

It might be more like 1 year since Node and Safari have it already. But yeah.

Downgoat

Aww yiss Safari supports something :')

quartata

Well Safari Technical Preview I think.

New Main Posts

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Q: True and false and true

Challenge is to write a function which outputs truth or false value alternately each time you call it. No input. It can start with either true or false.

code-golf

quartata

14:11

Chrome Safari and Firefox all have it but they need a flag which makes it useless. only Node and STP have it on by default if I'm reading this right

Riker

14:30

@flawr hmmmmm

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Thomas Ward

@Mendeleev Really doesn't matter, but unless you're nuking a drive you want to lose data on, you shouldn't format the disk yet

Matthew Roh

Could anyone make a profile iframe userscript

Riker

?

Thomas Ward

@Riker they want someone to do their work for them without giving us a full list of what they're expecting.

Matthew Roh

for changing things in profile like '[iframe google.com]'; to an iframe to google

Riker

14:45

well yeah

@ThomasWard I'm used to that much from family IT

this is why I'm not sure whether I want to go into tech as a job

@MatthewRoh ......????

Matthew Roh

@Riker umm, so making profile utilities (like GoL in the profile) is too hard, and limited

Thomas Ward

@MatthewRoh uhm...

we have a few problems here, @MatthewRoh

Riker

what would the iframe contain?

Thomas Ward

(1) iframes will break most things

@Riker whatever link they put in

Riker

the whole page of google.com? that's freaking massive

Thomas Ward

14:47

but we have an XSS risk

Riker

true

Thomas Ward

and CSRF, and a risk of the X-Content-Origin headers and such exploding

Matthew Roh

@Riker probably a jsfiddle embed

Riker

@MatthewRoh you want a virus? this is how you get a virus

Thomas Ward

not to mention a conflict with X-Frame-Options

Matthew Roh

14:47

@Riker ...oh.

Thomas Ward

there's a lot of reasons you should NOT use iFrames

Riker

@ThomasWard and it's not clear whether it would support theoretically every wobsite or just big ones, like google, wikipedia, etc.

@MatthewRoh I mean, your browser normally warns you if you try to load a page that it detects contains a malicious script

but I don't know if the same precautions apply to iframes

Thomas Ward

and then you run into the fact that many sites only let X-Frame-Options from the SAMEORIGIN (domain) so they can't open the iframe

it just fails

Matthew Roh

and the iframe way doesn't?

Thomas Ward

@Riker depends on the browser, OS, and configured items.

Riker

14:48

hm, ok

Matthew Roh

btw the only site I need in the iframe is jsfiddle, so yeah

Riker

@MatthewRoh TL;DR: bad idea. probably not possible in the way you're expecting anyway, and wouldn't even work on most browser/OS pairs

Matthew Roh

@Riker oh. then we need another way

but.. how?

Riker

you don't?

also, JS fiddle code can be run in the browser itself

it's just JS and HTML

>_>

... @MatthewRoh doc.jsfiddle.net/use/embedding.html

it's on the jsfiddle page

"how to embed"

Thomas Ward

the 'iframe' embed there is permitted, but I would not be using a userscript to render that here

never here in chat - too many security risks, errors with headers, browser security, clickjacking risk, cross-site scripting risk, etc.

all the same reasons that iframes aren't permitted in posts on the sites themselves except through specific types of embeds.

(I have a 3-day rant on Ask Ubuntu Meta somewhere about why iframes are bad...)

Poke

14:56

@AdmBorkBork I added a picture example to my challenge. Does this make it more clear?

Riker

also, I'm not sure what he means by embed. would the script just make [iframe jsfiddle.com/xxxx] look like jsfiddle? or would it replace that with HTML at time of the edit profile submission, just making it easier to put in the iframe

Thomas Ward

@Riker he'd want it to replace the HTML, but I'm not sure even that is permitted.

there's probably a special plugin somewhere that permits jsfiddle

or special code, but not a pure iFrame function

AdmBorkBork

@Poke Yeah, that picture helps a lot

Riker

@ThomasWard ah

dim

@MatthewRoh Here, I made you a basic building block for a GoL banner: gist.github.com/anonymous/f779de840e511d8468c99ba7c0150e17. This one will issue three "pixels" (actually lightweight spaceships separated by 60 generation steps) every 20.5 pixels (=1320 gen steps). Yeah, that half pixel is strange, but feel free to waste some time tuning it more finely.

Thomas Ward

15:09

@Riker that's a Meta.SE ore Meta.codegolf queston though

Riker

ah

@DJMcMayhem vim-plugin-request MS Word .docx file editing capabilities

DJMcMayhem

Ehhh

Idk, how complicated are they?

AdmBorkBork

The newer .docx format is an open standard based on XML

I don't know why you'd want to edit a layout-and-graphic-rich document like a Word document in a text editor, though.

ISO/IEC 29500

Riker

because I need to submit essays in docx file format

but I'm perfectly fine with all times new roman 12pt font, so the styling doesn't really matter to me

@DJMcMayhem pretty complicated

AdmBorkBork

LibreOffice can read/write docx

Riker

15:19

I mean I can open them in vim, but it's a giant mess of xml

a sort of xml parser that just gives me the raw text would be nice

lol found this:

github.com/seanyeh/vibreoffice

sigh forgot github oneboxes don't exist

AdmBorkBork

Huh, that's kinda interesting.

Riker

yeah, though it's a libreoffice plugin to emulate vim rather than the reverse <shrug>

betseg

last actual commit was 2 years ago :/

Riker

if I knew vba then I'd take a shot at adding more commands

yeah but it's still there

the readme even says the owner stopped working on it

AdmBorkBork

VBA isn't too bad, you just pseudo-camelCase everything

Riker

15:25

yah but I don't know it yet :P and using a mac doesn't give me many chances to learn it

AdmBorkBork

that's true

Do you have Pages? That has support for .docx

Riker

I do have pages but I don't like it much

and my original goal was to practice my vim by editing essays in vim

AdmBorkBork

Ah.

You could just learn the format like if you were writing in LaTeX, and just edit the .docx as plaintext

Riker

?

I don't use latex, eli5?

Matthew Roh

btw, Such applications like office online exists

Riker

15:34

ik

I was looking for a vim-style editor for .docx files

DJMcMayhem

@Riker Super markdown for mathy stuff

Riker

@AdmBorkBork ah, I see what you mean now

@DJM oh I know what latex is, I just didn't get what he meant by learnign the format

AdmBorkBork

Like coding HTML without a WYSIWYG editor

Matthew Roh

Hmm, the WYSIWYG way is [insert 'very' 50 times] hard cause console doesnt have varying font sizes

Riker

yeah, makes sense now

Matthew Roh

15:37

It's possible, but ya know

Its haaaard.

Riker

what console are you referring to?

AdmBorkBork

Wha?

Matthew Roh

@Riker Standards, including linux consoles and cmd

Riker

.... for editing html?

AdmBorkBork

WYSIWYG is "What You See Is What You Get" -- it's a graphical editor style

Matthew Roh

15:38

(and gnome)

@AdmBorkBork ik

Riker

ah, I see what you mean now. also, are you sure?

most decent terminals can change font size

AdmBorkBork

So, I'm not sure why "The WYSIWYG way is hard because the console doesn't have varying font sizes"

The console is not a WYSIWYG editor

Riker

I think because the text is too small for him to read easily, he can't edit good

Matthew Roh

@Riker varying font sizes in one same console

Riker

ah, I see what you mean

Mendeleev

15:40

Isn't a docx just a bunch of zipped xml files

Riker

<shrug> tha'ts what editors are for

@Men yes

Matthew Roh

@Mendeleev true

Riker

but the document.xml file is a mess

Mendeleev

:36105332

> men

Matthew Roh

@Riker True, maybe they made programs golf XML and it went horribly.

DJMcMayhem

15:41

@Riker It looks like you just pinged Male adults in general. :P

5

Riker

I'm not using the browser version of chat so I can't reply to things

also no autocomplete of usernames

so I'm just using 3 letter pings when I can

DJMcMayhem

Huh? I'm on mobile and it totally autocompletes names

Riker

but @Men, the first bit of document.xml (of an essay I wrote) is

<w:document xmlns:wpc="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/word/2010/wordprocessingCanvas" xmlns:mo="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/mac/office/2008/main" xmlns:mc="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006"

Matthew Roh

@Riker Mobile? Or, are you using a very different custom made chat client?

Riker

^

quill's websocket chat

Matthew Roh

15:43

@Riker That makes sense

Riker

and gotham is beautiful for this, makes messages a very nice sea green/teal

DJMcMayhem

Cool

Riker

yeah, it's quite nice

Matthew Roh

If I make one I'm not making like that

Riker

this is in my terminal fwiw

DJMcMayhem

15:44

Do pings work well? (Receiving them, that is)

Matthew Roh

Yeah, whatever

Riker

ping me and I'll screenshot

Matthew Roh

@Riker

Thomas Ward

@Riker CHAOS IS COMING, ALL SHALL FEAR THE CHAOS

Riker

not scrolling up to find my most recent ping

DJMcMayhem

15:44

@Riker test

fəˈnɛtɪk

@Riker No

Matthew Roh

There ya go... 3 OF THEM?

Riker

4 actually, sending pic

Matthew Roh

4??

DJMcMayhem

@Riker Much ping, such wow

Thomas Ward

15:45

@Riker Five I believe.

six now

Riker

Matthew Roh

@ThomasWard editing pings are illegal

Riker

sigh the one problem is that this doesn't clear pings when I send a message

Matthew Roh

...oh

Thomas Ward

@MatthewRoh blue nicks mean edits :).

Riker

15:46

so imma have like 17 pings from my last hour or so of chatting when I next open chat :P

oooh do I win also

DJMcMayhem

@Riker Have you tried jQuery?

Riker

this runs node actually, so not that far off ;P

Matthew Roh

@DJMcMayhem Isn't jQuery mostly for compatibility

DJMcMayhem

Idk

Matthew Roh

According to the chattiquette:

> Avoid repeatedly editing messages that contain pings.

Thomas Ward

15:48

@MatthewRoh repeatedly

a single edit doesn't break anything, once.

IMO.

Riker

also @DJM fwiw, this is what replies look like:

Thomas Ward

But i don't usually edit pings :)

goes back to perusing the questions list

Riker

yeah, this was an acceptable ping edit. I don't even get that much of a notification at pings, just another line of text

it's not a really loud bong sound anymore

hm, is the ping sound more of a "beep" or "bong"

it's kinda like a mix of a thunk and a bong IMO

Matthew Roh

@Riker bing

Riker

hm

Thomas Ward

15:50

@Riker There's a special name for that, but I won't say it here.

Riker

>_>

also, it's a pain that this thing doesn't show msg ids

Thomas Ward

:P

fəˈnɛtɪk

@MatthewRoh No, it doesn't open a search engine.

Riker

but has commands for starring and replying to msgs

Matthew Roh

Well, atleast it's not 'bleet'

Riker

15:50

but they take msg ids which I don't know :P

Matthew Roh

@fəˈnɛtɪk I was afraid of that reply..

Riker

ok, just opened ppcg main, 23 pings

DJMcMayhem

@Riker Huh. Too bad it didn't show which message I replied to

Riker

lol

yeah, it doesn't show that either :/

i've been meaning to edit code + make a PR, haven't had time

Matthew Roh

Is there a way to embed sites without iframes

Riker

15:52

define embed

Thomas Ward

@MatthewRoh Define 'embed' in specific terms.

Riker

html5 has <video> elements

Thomas Ward

and explain where you are trying to embed them.

fəˈnɛtɪk

He is trying to embed code in his profile

Matthew Roh

@fəˈnɛtɪk yup

Riker

15:53

yeah we know but define "embed"

Thomas Ward

@MatthewRoh you mean your profile on the site?

you can't.

Riker

does it have to be runnable with a big red button?

Thomas Ward

it's not permitted in the SE code base.

Riker

and yeah, SE blocks most code in profiles iirc

Thomas Ward

best you can do is images I think.

Riker

15:53

some widgets still work iirc

the quartata lookalike had a GoL thing in his

Matthew Roh

Yes

Riker

kevin workman or something iirc

Matthew Roh

And that was literally all images

(And links)

DJMcMayhem

@Riker Can you use super diamond powers from the terminal?

Riker

nvm not him, but somebody with a glider

edits and deletes yes iirc

but pinning, moving, and mass-deletes no

i.e. no command to do that

I'm not immune to rate limiting either :P

Matthew Roh

15:56

@Riker then use lynx :P

Riker

doesn't support JS

Matthew Roh

oh ok

Chromium?

Riker

why would i use that?

Matthew Roh

Is there a reason to use a console for chat?

@Riker Why would you not?

Riker

yeah, parental units checking my history 24/7

Matthew Roh

15:57

Oh.

Riker

so I use incognito a lot, but for chat I use this more

because I have to log in again every time with incog

Matthew Roh

Ok then

Riker

<shrug>

well, I'm out for now, see y'all! stuff to do irl

DJMcMayhem

Would your parents object to chat?

Riker

yah

mostly just any cursewords/rude things

I just hide everything as a passive-agressive protest

because I'm on the comp so much, they get confused when all they can find is the occansional SE main access

DJMcMayhem

16:00

Do they know you're a mod?

Riker

@Mat also, I thought you meant lynx for chat. I do use lynx sometimes for ppcg main, not often though (if that's what you're asking)

nope, they don't know about my diamond. doesn't really matter, as veg.se is pretty quiet anyway. I try to check as often as I can, but it doesn't really matter if I don't make it for a day

I mean there's 2 other mods, one with 3 diamonds total

but seriously, I have to leave now, see y'all

Matthew Roh

Bye

btw I gtg too

Riker

o/

Matthew Roh

L8r bois

\o

Riker

I can also chat without entering the room sometimes, because the thingy is buggy :p

New Meta Posts

16:35

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Q: Editing a Post to get Publicity

When I create a post, and it does not get any, or little, response, I make a small edit, like adding a space where no one will notice it, to make it re-appear on the front page. Is this okay?

discussion

Mendeleev

16:55

@Riker Use elinks, it's a lot better.

DAE get this?

Basic Sunset

I can access it just fine

Mistah Figgins

@ATaco in TacO, is there a way to convert from a string to an ASCII list (or something similar)?

quartata

17:19

@Mendeleev What ancient version of Chrome are you using

To answer your question that doesn't work over http:, need https:

Thomas Ward

@Mendeleev there's a nifty button called "Nuke Cache"

explode your cache and start over

since i think you have infinite redirection evils in place.

DJMcMayhem

@Riker BTW, I explained it here if you're curious.

Mendeleev

@quartata chrome 56

Riker

@DJMcMayhem :o reading

Kritixi Lithos

@DJMcMayhem Don't you mean ROT13?

DJMcMayhem

17:34

Hahaha, yep

Riker

woah

you actually found a use for ex mode :P

and isn't ex only V's great grandfather?

ex -> vi -> vim -> V

Kritixi Lithos

V(im\?)\? Stack Exchange

Riker

?

Kritixi Lithos

A regex to match V, Vi and Vim

DJMcMayhem

@Riker ex -> vi -> vim -> neovim -> V

@KritixiLithos Thanks, good catch

Riker

17:40

ah, forgot neovim

btw, does anybody here have an aquarium? just curious

DJMcMayhem

@KritixiLithos Invalid. You want either V$im\?$\? or \vV(im?)?

Kritixi Lithos

Gah, vim regex is weird

Riker

lol

ELI5 vim regex vs normal regex?

DJMcMayhem

I don't think it's possible to explain that to a five year old

quartata

Vim regex is a nuisance

I wish there was a plugin for PCRE

DJMcMayhem

17:43

I don't think it's weird at all, but it's also the only one I know

@Riker Best vim regex tutorial I've ever seen

Riker

reading

quartata

\( and no reluctant quantifiers

DJMcMayhem

Does reluctant == non-greedy?

quartata

Yes.

DJMcMayhem

\{-}

quartata

17:45

what

DJMcMayhem

.\{-} will match any character as few times as possible

Or .{-} if you've got magic on

quartata

Is that new

or have I been literally using gimped Vim regex knowledge for years

DJMcMayhem

It's been around for as long as I've known about vim

Which is like a year or two

Riker

@quartata you have been literally using gimped Vim regex knowledge for at least a year

apparently

DJMcMayhem

I don't think it's new. It's been around for at least 8 years

quartata

17:49

OK, it doesn't seem to work the way I want it to. Phew.

Oh wait nevermind I had /g on

Riker

lol

quartata

Well shit.

I'm literally having flashbacks of all the times in my life when I had to drop to a shell and use Perl to do basic regex tasks

I'm counting the minutes I've wasted

How could I have possibly not known this

I have 3 different vim books

Jan Dvorak

@quartata you might want to seek medical attention if your mental state interferes with your daily senses. Unless you mean normal dreams?

quartata

I think my only explanation is the Mandela effect -- I must be from a parallel universe where Vim didn't have reluctant quantifiers

@JanDvorak No I'm pretty sure I've become mentally unhinged

AdmBorkBork

Oh, like Berenstein Bears

quartata

17:53

@AdmBorkBork Exactly

It was definitely stein

Kritixi Lithos

@quartata I sometimes think that I have travelled across parallel universes because past events sometimes repeat themselves

AdmBorkBork

@quartata I ran into this one the other day, and can't believe that movie doesn't exist.

I swear I watched both Sinbad and Shaq in genie movies.

quartata

Berenstain Bears - Angry Video Game Nerd: Episode 142

►

relevant

@AdmBorkBork Huh.

Riker

@flawr r/TellMeAFact

pretty cool

AdmBorkBork

This was in like the heyday of duplicate movies. You had Antz and Bug's Life, Armageddon and Deep Impact, Babe and Gordy, Volcano and Dante's Peak, Powder and Phenomenon, Tombstone and Wyatt Earp ... I'm sure I'm missing some.

Riker

18:27

@DJMcMayhem's prolly already seen it, but @AdmBorkBork:

AdmBorkBork

I'm a Hanzo main

:-/

Actually trying to migrate to Zenyatta

Poke

Roadhog for life

Riker

@AdmBorkBork lol

@AdmBorkBork do eet

the little I have played of overwatch tells me that zenyatta is best hero

DJMcMayhem

@Riker Hahahahaha, that is incredible

I love it

Riker

you haven't seen it? lol

it's funny tho ya

DJMcMayhem

18:34

AdmBorkBork

Can confirm. Is accurate.

DJMcMayhem

Hanzo's really not that bad though. Just fun to mock

A friend of mine told me he's a Torbjörn main just so that he can watch Netflix while playing. Facepalm

AdmBorkBork

I routinely watch Muselk on YouTube

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Find a Four Leaf Clover! Since today is St. Patrick's day, you will try to find a four leaf clover. And because you don't want to sit in the grass and sort by hand, you will write some code to do it for you. Your challenge: write a program that output the coordinate location of the following ch...

AdmBorkBork

He has a song he made up (to the tune of "I'm a Lumberjack")

> I'm a Torbjorn / and I'm OK / I sit on me a-- / and do nothing all day

One of his plays of the game is him just emote sitting on a ledge, standing up to press Q (to activate ultimate), and then sitting back down

DJMcMayhem

18:51

Hahaha, yeah that's what most Torb POTG are like

fəˈnɛtɪk

I potentially killed one tab in my browser.

Apparently running code that generates a 120k by 120k matrix is not good

Riker

@DJMcMayhem hahaha

ETHproductions

@fəˈnɛtɪk Hmm yeah, 14.4 billion array items is a lot for JS to handle

fəˈnɛtɪk

I'm surprised I can still use my other tabs even though it is frozen

I can't even kill the tab

ETHproductions

Really? What browser are you on?

fəˈnɛtɪk

18:56

chrome

I actually don't think it even reached the part where it should be generating the array

ETHproductions

Oh, nice. Firefox recently added a feature where you can "use" other tabs while one is frozen, but you can't interact with the actual page (yet)

But at least the whole browser isn't frozen

fəˈnɛtɪk

probably froze up when comparing 120k 6 length arrays to one another

ETHproductions

what's it doing, sorting them?

AdmBorkBork

Hmm. For the "Challenge that Bytes" challenge, it seems kinda cheaty to use PowerShell's inherent case-insensitivity. $args|sort and SORT ($ARGS) are both groovy.

fəˈnɛtɪk

join the arrays then compare the strings

ETHproductions

18:59

"compare" like compare each one to each other one, or compare each of them to a specific string?

fəˈnɛtɪk

It is this code running with input=6

compare to each other one

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