The Nineteenth Byte

12:00 AM

I only meant to protest Helka Homba's rules, as one of the permitted non-programming-language-name words is actually a programming language name.

Destructible Lemon

I is the same thing wot J is

Helka Homba

I didn't realize

Adám

@DestructibleLemon What? I ≠ J

Conor O'Brien

I isn't terribly close to J

Destructible Lemon

It's the same type of thing

Adám

12:01 AM

It is only inspired by J. Very different conceptually.

Mendeleev

r u jelly?

Destructible Lemon

@Adám It is a programming language was the point

Helka Homba

Do any british people here still say "guv'nor"?

Destructible Lemon

only ironically probably

Adám

@HelkaHomba Yes.

ASCII-only

12:03 AM

@ConorO'Brien You should just write like 50 esolangs so you can form a really long sentence

Conor O'Brien

@ASCII-only don't tempt me >.>

ATaco

Inspiration can still create two very different languages.

TacO was Inspired by Jelly.

DJMcMayhem

Brain-flak was inspired by brainfuck

The two are extremely different, aside from the superficial similarities

ASCII-only

Same as Ohm/Jellyfish and Jelly

Adám

yup, I'M Seriously A Convex COW...

Conor O'Brien

12:07 AM

:D +1 for yup

ASCII-only

Why did I have to write such a complicated language ;_; it's so hard to make a decent wiki for it

Conor O'Brien

which language?

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien Charcoal

It's also the only language I've written

Conor O'Brien

that's not terribly complicated, just go through the motions, haha

ATaco

Charcoal is a pretty good idea, if I may say.

Conor O'Brien

12:10 AM

@ASCII-only well you've co-written a few so there's that

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien Only Cheddar IIRC?

Conor O'Brien

VSL?

ASCII-only

Yeah but VSL doesn't have an interpreter yet so I wouldn't count that

@ConorO'Brien go through the motions?

Conor O'Brien

it's an expression

ASCII-only

what do you mean it's not complicated

Conor O'Brien

12:13 AM

well it was also a pun. things like ↖ are motions

Adám

I, the evil Pushy Cinnamon Gum Changeling, Woefully Stacked 99 Charcoal Pylons of Groovy Unreadable Jellyfish Snails.

Conor O'Brien

^ this wins

Adám

I could add more adjectives...

ATaco

I, the evil Pushy Cinnamon Gum Changeling, Woefully Stacked 99 Charcoal Pylons of Groovy Unreadable Jellyfish Snails at Whitespace

Adám

I, the evil Pushy Cinnamon Gum Changeling, Woefully Stacked 99 Convex Charcoal Pylons of Groovy Unreadable Jellyfish Snails at Labyrinth Whitespace

ATaco

12:21 AM

I, the evil Pushy Cinnamon Gum Changeling, Woefully Stacked 99 Convex Charcoal Pylons of Groovy Unreadable Jellyfish Snails at A Whitespace Labyrinth

Adám

A?

ATaco

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%2B_(programming_language) is it's child.

I couldn't find a Wikipedia page for the language itself...

Adám

That's A+

ATaco

Which is a Descendant of the language "A"

As it says on the Page.

Adám

I, the evil Pushy Cinnamon Gum Changeling, Woefully Stacked 997 Convex Charcoal Pylons of Groovy Unreadable Jellyfish Snails at A Purple Whitespace Labyrinth Oasis

Conor O'Brien

12:26 AM

@ГригорийПерельман if an array of chars is allowed: $swapcase0.5 randomly map

Try it online!

Adám

Single-letter programming language names not already taken: H, N, O, P, U, W, X, and Y. Hurry up!

Mendeleev

Is M really a language already?

huh

Adám

@Mendeleev github.com/DennisMitchell/m

Mendeleev

srsly

Conor O'Brien

@Adám there's at least 2 for Y and there is an O

Adám

12:33 AM

@Mendeleev "Seriously" is taken.

@ConorO'Brien O, Y?

Mendeleev

@Adám is "OK"?

Adám

@Mendeleev Yup, oK is a K dialect.

Conor O'Brien

conorobrien-foxx.github.io/Y

Mendeleev

What about wat?

Conor O'Brien

esolangs.org/wiki/o

Adám

12:35 AM

@Mendeleev github.com/manuel/wat-js

Mendeleev

Whyyyyyy

What about Pineapple

Adám

@Mendeleev I think "Whyyyyyy" is still available.

ATaco

Also, TacO is a thing now, too.

And so is TACO

Adám

@Mendeleev github.com/alexanderwallin/pineapple-lang

Helka Homba

@ConorO'Brien No longer valid :P

Mendeleev

12:38 AM

What about Delicious?

Conor O'Brien

@HelkaHomba :P

ATaco

You can search noun.js and almost definitely find a github.

Григорий Перельман

Doesn't have to be a noun

react.js anyone?

ASCII-only

@ATaco github.com/cakenggt/noun-js npmjs.com/package/noun

ATaco

Frankfurt.js

You think this is a game?

Eggplant.js

CMC, Find the most obscure thing.js possible.

ASCII-only

12:45 AM

@ATaco obscure?

draconian

Mendeleev

Can I tell a slightly NSFW joke?

Destructible Lemon

define "slightly"

Mendeleev

Sex

Destructible Lemon

check chatiquette I guess

Mendeleev

sonething like "Why was zalgo good at sex" "H̺͡҉̵̵̢̙̖̏̿̊̊ͯͮ͆E̛̳̮̼̙̰̎̿̅̂ͬͨͨ̃̌̈́ͦ͜͜͡ ̸̲̭̫̗̝ͥ̐ͣͬͦͦ̓̾̕͝C̶̪̦̻͉̣̳̼̈͐ͭ̃҉̵͍O̵̻̺͈̝̜ͮ̍̋͟ME̴̷̪͖͈̥̎̀ͬ̇̀ͨ͢͠Ŝ̞̞̹͓̦͇̖̘̬̅̈̚͞"

woops

Conor O'Brien

12:48 AM

-.-

Adám

OK, I've reserved my programming language name:

Conor O'Brien

kk

Adám

@ConorO'Brien no, that's the repo name.

Mendeleev

@Adám Just don't accidentally press the key one too many times

Adám

@Mendeleev What key?

Mendeleev

12:50 AM

K

Adám

I know what the name is, so I don't need the computer to compute it. Hence, I won't need to press K at all.

Destructible Lemon

kk

Adám

@DestructibleLemon No, the name is

Destructible Lemon

kk

Mendeleev

Wait @Adám Don't you work at Dyalog?

Adám

12:53 AM

@Mendeleev I sure do.

Mendeleev

Cool

Adám

@Mendeleev Yes. I actually get to help design a real production programming language.

The next version will have a new primitive that I suggested, and I helped design the other new primitives.

Conor O'Brien

what's the primitive?

Adám

@ConorO'Brien ⊆

Its monadic form is defined as {1≥≡⍵:⊂⍵ ⋄ ⍵} and the dyadic form is {⎕ML←3 ⋄ ⍺⊂⍵}

I also suggested the final syntax for ⌺

That's the "Game-of-Life" primitive.

ASCII-only

Uh so anyone interested in learning Charcoal?

Conor O'Brien

1:02 AM

q

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien q?

Conor O'Brien

I have no idea how I typed that

@Adám that's cool

Destructible Lemon

> Adult H. s. sapiens couple in Thailand.

Image caption on the anatomically modern human wikipedia page

Down Christopher

I loaded TNB and it said I was kicked for 59 seconds and I was super confused as I have not loaded this for hours today and never posted (iirc) Then I noticed it was an old webpage...

Adám

@ConorO'Brien ⌺ is more cool, GoL←C∊⍨⊢∘⊂⌺3 3, where C is a constant.

Conor O'Brien

1:17 AM

a constant for what?

Adám

@ConorO'Brien 140-item list of 3 by 3 matrices that result in the middle cell being alive in next generation.

Conor O'Brien

this sounds cool

algorithmshark

The J language has this wacky feature where you can input numbers in any base you want so long as you only use the digits 0 through 35 (0-9 and then a-z).

So you can sometimes save some characters by expressing some big numbers using a representation with fewer digits.

Have there been any PPCG questions about something similar? Because I was thinking this might make a cool idea for a question.

Adám

@algorithmshark How is that parsed? is 1e2b16 = hex 100 or hex 01E2?

Downgoat

@ASCII-only yes please

algorithmshark

1:27 AM

You put the base on the left of the b so 1e2b16 is read as (1e2)b16 i.e. 1*100+16 = 106

16b1e2 would be 0x1E2 = 482 though.

Adám

@algorithmshark Oh, I got it backwards.

ASCII-only

@Downgoat ok pls look at tutorial, readme and other parts of wiki and ask what you don't understand

Downgoat

10/10 nice tutorial

Noooooo, it's written in python? D:

ASCII-only

@Downgoat yes, why

Downgoat

there is no snake antivenom for goats :(

ASCII-only

1:30 AM

I did it because Python has lower overhead than node and DLosc (collaborator) knows python well

pls forgive me

Adám

@algorithmshark You only start saving chars above 1,000,000,000.

Down Christopher

@Downgoat we need to help solve this

ASCII-only

I started on a js port but gave up because it is a pita to port so many lines

Mendeleev

@Downgoat AFAIK pythons don't bite, they crush? Or am I misremembering something

Downgoat

@ASCII-only will forgive if I am told how charcol is python 2 and 3 polyglot

Mendeleev

1:33 AM

In other news, I recently got to hold a live python

algorithmshark

@Adám 99bzzzz has seven letters but equals 34,307,000 which has eight digits.

ASCII-only

@Downgoat it isn't

because unicode is a pain to polyglot

Adám

@algorithmshark AH, I thought the base had to be ≤35

Downgoat

@ASCII-only O_o then how can I do python charcoal.py

Mendeleev

@ASCII-only Isn't there an import for that?

LegionMammal978

1:35 AM

Huh

Has anyone else here played Portal 2?

ASCII-only

@Downgoat what happens when you do python -V

also it probably doesn't break until you start giving it things to do (e.g. python charcoal.py -t)

Down Christopher

Why is international shipping so friggin pricey?

ASCII-only

@DownChristopher because air/sea shipping isn't cheap?

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat A small present

Adám

@algorithmshark Nine digit number with three chars: ^~9 (which is *⍨9 in APL)

LegionMammal978

1:37 AM

Also, are you planning on writing gitgoat for Android?

Adám

And ten digit number with three chars: 1e9

Down Christopher

@ASCII-only Yeah but if I ship what I need to it would be $200 of the $600 I would make...

Mendeleev

@DownChristopher $\LaTeX$ intended?

Downgoat

@ASCII-only can you change from /usr/bin/python3, do /usr/bin/env python3 for better cross-platform support

Down Christopher

@Mendeleev yes?

Mendeleev

1:41 AM

Down Christopher

Oh no

I used the dollar sign to show price

Mendeleev

oic

:36070133 ProTip: Use %20 to represent spaces in URLs

Down Christopher

:P the url borked it

Mendeleev

yeak I was telling you how to unbork it

Down Christopher

@LegionMammal978 uh oh

thanks

Mendeleev

1:44 AM

How did they even do this

Riker

@Mendeleev would you stop mentioning latex so much when people use dollar signs

it's your userscript

Mendeleev

ehh

Riker

try to remember that

it's quite annoying at this point

Mendeleev

@ATaco Please make the userscript use \$ instead of $

@Riker Actually ATaco wrote it

Riker

doesn't matter

ATaco

1:45 AM

CMC: Given two numbers, Perform Binary Concatenation. For example, for 4 and 3, 4 = "100" 3 = "11" b_concat(4,3)="10011" to_dec = 19

ASCII-only

@Mendeleev Pls no

Mendeleev

@ASCII-only Why not/

ATaco

My userscript is just an Interface for MathJax.

ASCII-only

But doesn't the ChatJax userscript exist already

Mendeleev

@ASCII-only He made it AFAIK

ATaco

1:46 AM

There's a ChatJax Bookmarklet.

Which, although works, is rather inconvenient to use.

Riker

there's a chrome extension also

Downgoat

@ASCII-only feature-request: Colorize/bold the prompt for Charcoal>

ASCII-only

@ATaco Javascript (ES6), 42 bytes: (a,b)=>+('0b'+a.toString(2)+b.toString(2))

Downgoat

@ASCII-only btw in REPL arrow keys don't work along with CTRL-A and CTRL-E

@ASCII-only ^C seems to quit Charcoal not clean canvas

ASCII-only

@Downgoat D: arrow keys don't work?

Downgoat

1:49 AM

no D:

Charcoal> ⁷
-------
Charcoal> ↙³
-------/
      /
     /

omg this is so cool 14/10

Riker

lol

ASCII-only

@Downgoat what color

Riker

14 is a bit arbitrary

why 14?

Mendeleev

@Downgoat ong that's my favorite ubuntu version /s

Downgoat

@ASCII-only I think gray/white since Charcoal

Riker

1:51 AM

hot pink or teal

or both

Downgoat

@Riker that is as high as >10, out of ten ratings go

Helka Homba

Is there a tag for operations on lists?

ATaco

Interestingly, this can be solved as $f(x,y) = x*2^{\log_2y}+y$

Downgoat

@ASCII-only D: charcoal I think broke

Mendeleev

@Riker I like bright orange

ASCII-only

1:58 AM

@Downgoat oh no what did you do

Downgoat

I do math and no output :(

Charcoal> |×²²

this only output a |

also how to I change the location which it draws from

ASCII-only

@Downgoat you need ¦ between the 2's otherwise it goes "ono downgoat y u no tell me what to add 22 to"

@Downgoat Location?

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