The Nineteenth Byte

betseg

21:00

@Riker 111 lines, 2978 chars

AdmBorkBork

My Microsoft.PowerShellISE_profile.ps1 is 22 lines, 1004 bytes

Riker

@betseg ah nice

@AdmBorkBork that is really long for that many bytes o_O

well not that bad

average of 45ish bytes per line

mine is 71 lines, 2056 bytes

betseg

last line of the file is fortune | cowsay | lolcat

wat

@Riker let me check my .zshrc

AdmBorkBork

Yeah, I should probably clean it up some.

Poke

21:02

72 # Try to keep environment pollution down, EPA loves us.
 73 unset use_color safe_term match_lhs

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muddyfish

@Riker paste.ee/p/vslDs

Riker

@DJMcMayhem did you see this? imgur.com/gallery/aKbOQ

TuxCopter

@Riker Output of wc ~/.bashrc is 38 83 812

wat

my .zshrc is 142 lines and 4325 chars

Riker

@muddyfish :O

wat

21:02

but then I load OMZ which adds to the code actually executed a LOT

muddyfish

@Riker that working now?

Riker

yep!

muddyfish

I should have asked you if you were using untokenize first

AdmBorkBork

My notes.ps1 file that I open daily is 31562 bytes and 440 lines

betseg

wow

DJMcMayhem

21:04

@Riker hehehe

AdmBorkBork

It's a collection of mini-scripts and one-liners that I've accumulated over the years, where I can ctrl-f for a keyword, change a particular variable, and F8 to execute that line

wat

I had no idea that people actually used powershell

muddyfish

@Riker I'd also move the with open("assignments.txt", "r") as f: part to a global variable just so you don't waste lots of time just opening that file

AdmBorkBork

@wat My $DAYJOB is as an Exchange administrator.

It's damn near impossible to not use PowerShell

ATaco

I use AHK a bit too much in my work life

muddyfish

21:09

@Riker I got bored so I completed it

Riker

10/10 thanks so much

cc @DJMcMayhem

wat

@AdmBorkBork I had no idea that people actually used exchange

Downgoat

@betseg speaking of package manager, NEVER do "apt-get install". It uninstalled my kernel ._.

wat

@whoever is making peoples python

betseg

@Downgoat pacman masterrace

AdmBorkBork

21:12

@wat As of a couple years ago, corporate market penetration for Exchange was around 55% (estimated). With the advent of Office365 and the corresponding rollouts to smaller businesses, it's approaching 75%.

wat

can you please add "wat" as import

@AdmBorkBork wait, whaaaat

betseg

@wat wat

muddyfish

@muddyfish I'm actually done doing style changes now

wat

@Downgoat I thought you used a mac

Riker

lol

wat

21:13

@betseg yeeeeah! arch linux yay

Should I put /home in my hdd, / on my ssd, and then /storage on my other hdd?

AdmBorkBork

@wat Obviously, I'm only talking "in general" and "in the US" ... I'm not sure what the worldwide adoption rate is, but I would imagine it's also pretty substantial.

wat

oh god I remember when I moved my hdd to a new computer, I had to hook up mobile hostpot from my phone and download and compile the latest kernel to get the ethernet driver to work

that was on ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04, cant remember which

@AdmBorkBork I see. I generally thought businesses were moving away from Microsoft products. I guess they're not...

AdmBorkBork

They're moving away from on-prem products

Office365 and Azure have exploded in popularity

wat

so the cycle is complete. mainframes -> self-hosted -> "cloud"

@AdmBorkBork Azure is like AWS, right?

muddyfish

@wat yes

AdmBorkBork

21:17

Azure actually recently overtook Google's solution for the #2 spot in cloud hosting. Both are far, far behind AWS.

wat

I see

muddyfish

I'm using a free Azure instance to host the Pyke online interpreter

wat

Google Cloud is not very popular because they change things too often apparently

AdmBorkBork

AWS is like 60% and every other cloud hosting provider makes up the other 40%

wat

according to people I know who have tried to use google cloud.

muddyfish

21:18

I can't say I like the web interface though

betseg

@wat i have / and /home on my ssd and /storage thing on my hdd

wat

@AdmBorkBork Other than intercompatibility and backwards compatibility, what are the advantages of windows server?

@betseg ...why do you have /home on your ssd?

betseg

coz its big

AdmBorkBork

Active Directory is the big business draw

TuxCopter

@wat Slowness and crashes

AdmBorkBork

21:19

A complete vertical is another draw

One vendor for desktop, server, office applications, databases, etc.

wat

@AdmBorkBork ah yes, Active Directory, I think it's a good thing, probably beats competing solutions, but what prevents these people from using samba?

TuxCopter

@wat Windows

wat

@TuxCopter samba is an SMB server, also can act as an active directory domain controller.

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Q: Efficient counting

When I was a kid, and wanted to count the dollar bills in my life savings, I would count out loud: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten; eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty; twenty-one, twenty-two, twenty-three, ...

AdmBorkBork

I had thought Samba was just a SMB/CIFS interface between *nix and Windows. Does it handle full Kerberos security, group policy, and asset management?

wat

21:24

@AdmBorkBork I see. But if for example they use Linux on desktop, use the enterprise version of that distribution on servers, and then use a Linux based database and something like Libre Office?

AdmBorkBork

What's the 1-800 number to call for needing support for Libre?

wat

OK, that is one usecase

@AdmBorkBork collaboraoffice.com

AdmBorkBork

Right, but that's a very important use case for the corporate world. If your downtime is costing you $x millions of dollars per hour, you don't want to be trawling forums, you want to be on the phone with someone that can fix it.

wat

@AdmBorkBork AFAIK it handles the first two, not sure about the third one

@AdmBorkBork There is a commercial version called "Collabora Office"

That includes full support apparently

> Collabora OfficeThe enterprise-ready edition of desktop LibreOffice.
We provide installation and administration utilities together with long term maintenance and contracted support to deliver successful deployments.

Downgoat

@wat server use debain

DJMcMayhem

21:29

Chat mini challenge: Implement this: Try it online!

AdmBorkBork

Right, but that's my point. Do they also provide support for the desktop? For the database? For the messaging environment? For the webservers? All under one support package?

wat

@Downgoat @AdmBorkBork is talking about commercial support, so you would want to use something like red hat or SUSE

OK, that is correct. For vertical support you would want to use microsoft products.

AFAIK support for Collabora is also provided through SUSE, though, so if you use that...

Poke

Longest distance I have found is 20 static.echonest.com/BoilTheFrog

AdmBorkBork

@DJMcMayhem PowerShell, 58 bytes

wat

@AdmBorkBork AFAIK the closest you can come to vertical integration with linux is using SuSE on your desktop and servers, and getting commercial support from them for their office suite

DJMcMayhem

21:37

The downside of putting my sample implementation in V is that now I don't really want to answer haha

Christopher Peart

I just posted (in SB) the worst ever idea.... If you can stand the idea of how hard this will be then loo at the SB

ATaco

Try it online! RProgN 30 bytes

flawr

President of Iceland announces that he would ban pineapple as a pizza topping

14

this guy has no taste.

2

AdmBorkBork

Well, guess I'm not going to Iceland ... Hawaiian pizza is amazing

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Radioactive Hardened answer chaining quine (because quines are too mainstream) So one day I had a idea to make users groan. A quine was not too bad. Radioactive hardened quines were also bad. But it was not enough. We needed more. I used science, TIO, and even JQuery, and John Skeet essence. Aft...

TuxCopter

21:47

@flawr No, he just have common sense

'night

wat

omg the year 2038 is going to SUCK

ckjbgames

@flawr Bad taste.

Christopher Peart

@wat y?

user165474

@wat Why, is it because we won't be able to use 32-bit timestamps?

wat

@AlexL. yes

Christopher Peart

21:51

OH NO

user165474

yay i figured it out

wat

Year 2038 problem

The Year 2038 problem is an issue for computing and data storage situations in which time values are stored or calculated as a signed 32-bit integer, and this number is interpreted as the number of seconds since 00:00:00 UTC on 1 January 1970 (the epoch). Such implementations cannot encode times after 03:14:07 UTC on 19 January 2038, a problem similar to but not entirely analogous to the Y2K problem (also known as the Millennium Bug), in which 2-digit values representing the number of years since 1900 could not encode the year 2000 or later. Most 32-bit Unix-like systems store and manipulate time...

user165474

I calculated this last year because I got bored.

ckjbgames

@wat Oh yeahh

user165474

Okay, it's going to be like Y2K 2.0

wat

21:52

Basically most embedded systems will break down

ckjbgames

@AdmBorkBork Ever golfed in bash

@wat It'll be worse that Y2K

wat

and then old computers will not be able to see the correct date, which means that they cannot browse SSL websites, and AFAIK 99% of websites in 2038 woul dbe SSL

@ckjbgames yeah true

Y2K was not that bad

Christopher Peart

Yeah

AdmBorkBork

@ckjbgames No. I've golfed in BATCH, VBScript (kinda), and PowerShell.

Jan Dvorak

I feel like not much will happen. Nothing much happened in 2k either.

remember that 64-bit systems are safe, and we already have most systems running at 64 bits.

ckjbgames

21:54

@AdmBorkBork A Batch answer once beat my 100-byte bash answer.

Mine:

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A: Loading... Forever

Bash, 100 bytes while [ 1 ]; do for i in `echo '|/-\' | grep -o .`; do printf $'\rLoading...'$i;sleep 0.25;done;done This is not nicely golfed, so please tell me where I can improve here. This does work, and has been tested on a Raspbian Raspberry Pi, an Amazon server, and an Ubuntu machi...

user165474

It may cause a few issues, but I think that on the most part, 32-bit systems won't have too much trouble adapting, because they'd just need to store it in two parts, and that would just cause a bit of overhead and memory increase. It would also square the amount of time we have left :P

wat

> most

Jan Dvorak

IPvX being the most significant exception - and this one won't break down in 2038

wat

@AlexL. Embedded systems

Jan Dvorak

@wat They sure can spare four bytes...

wat

21:56

@JanDvorak 64 bit systems are not all that common either. Most computers in my school are 64 bit capable, but run a 32 bit OS for some reason. Probably jsut a standard image

@JanDvorak No, I meant that it would be very hard to update

Christopher Peart

"I'm one of the culprits who created this problem. I used to write those programs back in the 1960s and 1970s, and was proud of the fact that I was able to squeeze a few elements of space out of my program by not having to put a 19 before the year. Back then, it was very important. We used to spend a lot of time running through various mathematical exercises before we started to write our programs so that they could be very clearly delimited with respect to space and the use of capacity. It never entered our minds that those programs would have lasted for more than a few years. As a consequ…

He was the original code golfer

Jan Dvorak

Well, yeah, outdated OSes won't be fun.

AdmBorkBork

@ChristopherPeart Well, sure, when storage is measured in thousands-of-dollars-per-kb, golfing is important.

Maltysen

well, luckily, we're prolly be pretty much mostly moved to 64 bit by then

Riker

@DJMcMayhem prolly already seen it but 10/10 imgur.com/gallery/IEmvk

ckjbgames

22:00

@wat I make sure that I know the number of bits my machine is before installing Linux on it.

wat

@ckjbgames That is not what I meant

ckjbgames

@wat Just commenting.

DJMcMayhem

@Riker I feel like that's backwards

ckjbgames

@DJMcMayhem Hello!

wat

I mean things like traffic light controllers, life support systems, Lego Mindstorms robotics kits, etc.

It would be very hard to update the OS on those, and they will suffer from that problem

Jan Dvorak

22:01

These don't care about absolute timestamps anyways, do they?

... or have a way to obtain them

Christopher Peart

I was about to say

I don't think a pacemaker cares

DJMcMayhem

@ckjbgames hi? I've been in here like all day

ATaco

It'd be a fun time if pacemakers were effected by Leap seconds.

Jan Dvorak

"What? It's 1900? I guess I'll wait for 138 years before squeezing the heart again."

user165474

Well, with 64-bit systems, we'd get the Year 2262 problem :P

Jan Dvorak

22:02

@ATaco no, not really. A single missed beat isn't a tragedy.

Riker

@DJMcMayhem ?

ATaco

Depending the state of the heart, it could be.

user165474

@JanDvorak though it's probably enough to scare some people

user165474

And considering that they already have heart issues, that could be a problem

Jan Dvorak

Leap seconds happen at midnight, though

user165474

22:03

true

DJMcMayhem

@Riker Batman's the one doing the punching, but he should be the one getting punched

Maltysen

@AlexL. uh no?

that seems waaaaaayyyyy too low

user165474

Possibly integer overflow because of the website I'm using.

user165474

It would be Year 292471208677

Riker

@DJMcMayhem oh true

Maltysen

22:05

@AlexL. that sounds better :P

Riker

wait no

DJMcMayhem

It's gonna be almost 3 billion years

user165474

Taken from (2 ** 63 - 1) / (525600 * 60)

Riker

in the original, batman is the one in the sprinklers

Pavel

Question: what's the best way to tokenize syntax? Regex?

Riker

22:06

now he comes out, but somebody else is already there

so he punches the dude already there

ATaco

Python uses Regex.

DJMcMayhem

Oh yeah, that makes sense

user165474

@Maltysen I realized that I could have seen that that was wrong just by looking at it.

ATaco

RProgN 1 uses a cross between patterns and iteration, RProgN2 uses mostly iteration.

Maltysen

@Pavel tokenizer module

for python

Riker

22:06

@DJMcMayhem also imgur.com/gallery/j1hFfa4

Pavel

That tokenizes python code.

I'm writing a language.

Riker

the meta is going deeper

Maltysen

@Pavel no, it tokenizes what you tell it to tokenize

DJMcMayhem

>_<

Pavel

Oh, that's neat, but I'm actually thinking of using Java.

muddyfish

22:07

@Maltysen it is limited by certain things such as symbols

Maltysen

well yes, its pretty limited to python-like code

but that can be applied to most syntaxes

Pavel

And Java... does have a tokenizer class builtin? What is this madness? Useful builtins?

And... it's deprecated with the note that split should be used.

So it's not actually all that useful.

Anonymous

On the topic of the Year 2038 problem: it's been solved

Christopher Peart

Table for One

►

The future for us all

user165474

why do you condemn us to this fate... :P

DJMcMayhem

22:11

Except for all of the married people in here (which is a lot)

Christopher Peart

I didin't

It was PPCG

wat

@JanDvorak Lego Mindstorms runs an ARM version of Linux. It has the ability to connect to Wi-Fi. I think it would be affected

Riker

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855730767

Maltysen

@Riker what's up with the batman and sprinklers and the ...

Riker

old meme

@Maltysen imgur.com/gallery/Gi9cwgR

Jan Dvorak

22:12

Hopefully they'll release a new version by then

LegionMammal978

Phew

Christopher Peart

Best Friend Zone

►

LegionMammal978

Constructions are tedious

Riker

@Maltysen right now similar ones are flooding usersub

Maltysen

@Riker why "every third Tuesday of the month"

is thatt from the movie or something

i don't remember

DJMcMayhem

22:13

No one really knows why tbh

Maltysen

oh lel

Riker

yeah

wat

ev3dev.org/docs/getting-started

user165474

It was a typo. It was meant to be "every third Tuesday of the week" :P (i'm just kidding)

Riker

@Maltysen collection of most of the similar copies

as you can see, it's a fairly old and popular meme

Maltysen

22:14

ohhhhhhh today's the third tuesday of the month

user165474

...

user165474

Sudden realizations

Pavel

I feel like not enough time has passed in 2017 to be almost out of February by now.

user165474

Yeah, almost 16% of the year is over...

user165474

Anyone here use DuckDuckGo?

DJMcMayhem

22:23

Not when I can avoid it

user165474

ok

Downgoat

@AlexL. used to but search results suck

muddyfish

@AlexL. only when I forget to swap to bing on tor

user165474

If you want to improve the search results, you can stick a !ddg in front of it, and the more you put, the faster and higher quality the search is. (i'm kidding btw don't try this)

Luke

@ETHproductions: I refactored my cubix program I wrote yesterday. It now easily fits a 6x6x6 cube (I even had to add a bunch of no-ops to make sure it was rendered on a 6x6x6 cube).

user165474

22:26

@muddyfish It's been a long time since I used Bing; last I checked, it was rather bad and I didn't like it.

muddyfish

@AlexL. it's not awful but it doesn't require a captcha whenever I search on it unlike google

user165474

It looks oddly like Google.

Anonymous

Bing's sole use is for when you can't remember the URL for Google or Mozilla

user165474

@muddyfish Google requires a captcha?

muddyfish

@AlexL. when I'm on tor, yes

user165474

22:27

@Mego How does one forget Google's URL? I mean, it's literally google.com

user165474

@muddyfish Oh okay. I typically don't use TOR.

Maltysen

@AlexL. googl.com also works

and is golfier

user165474

@Maltysen Really? That's interesting. So did they have to buy two domains or what? I mean, it wouldn't really matter much to them anyway.

Maltysen

@AlexL. yeah, i think to stop squatters from making use of such a common typo

user165474

ok

user165474

22:29

googel.com also works, but isn't shorter than google.com

user165474

So does gogle.com

user165474

So does 172.217.2.14 (at least for me)

Christopher Peart

@Mego bing is for when you want to make money

wat

goolge.com also works

ogogle.com gives a 404

user165474

gogole.com also works

ATaco

22:38

googl.com works, too.

New Main Posts

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Q: Smallest Word Search Puzzle

A word search is a matrix of letters as defined in Word Search Puzzle Generation. For a word search to contain a word, it means that that word appears somewhere in the matrix horizontally, vertically, or diagonally. Your task is to write a program that takes a list of strings and outputs the dim...

code-golf word-search

ckjbgames

goog.com gives me an ASUS router warning

Pavel

@ckjbgames It's some kind of survey

ckjbgames

Screenshot please

@Pavel

Pavel

K

ckjbgames

22:46

goo.com also gives me a warning

Pavel

One sec

Well, it changed after I clicked close and I can't get the original back, still here you go:

ckjbgames

K

Pavel

ckjbgames

@Pavel Cool

wat

Why the hell is Microsoft Office more than 8 GB??

Pavel

22:48

Orifice?

ckjbgames

@Pavel Could you describe the original?

wat

dyac

DJMcMayhem

> Orifice

Pavel

It asked things about age gender, etc.

DJMcMayhem

Haha

ckjbgames

22:48

@Pavel Don't tell me it's Back Orifice, that old script kiddie tool (I was never around to see it)

/* I have a copy of The Best of 2600 */

Pavel

It redirects to tweg.com, and the page title is CINT Registration

Feel free to do your own research from there.

wat

god fucking dammit

I lost my laptop's mouse nub yesterday while disassembling it

I just saw that

...great

now I have to buy a new nub :(

ckjbgames

Going to tweg.com leads me to a blank page

Maybe it's my ad blocker

Paused my ad blocker, still saw a blank page

wat

Or just take one from one of my old laptops ;)

ckjbgames

@wat I have a ton of old ones

Installed Ubuntu 16.10 on one

wat

22:51

@ckjbgames Do you have any Dell E6410 laptops?

ckjbgames

It has a Centrino Duo and a 40 gig hard drive

@wat No

wat

@ckjbgames ugh that would died

@ckjbgames what age do you have?

ckjbgames

@wat On the laptop

wat

@ckjbgames I would suggest Lubuntu

@ckjbgames no, what age of laptops in general

ckjbgames

@wat It runs it just fine

wat

22:52

Lubuntu would still be better

ckjbgames

@wat 1995(!)-2009, I guess

wat

@ckjbgames oic

ckjbgames

@wat No lag :)

wat

neat

@ckjbgames how?

i get lag on my E6410 :)

ckjbgames

@wat I don't install a ton of stuff on there

@wat I guess I have a little

@wat Not much, tho

wat

22:54

shouldnt matter, I cant see why having programs installed would slow it down

ckjbgames

yotub.com

It redirected me once to an ad blocker for Youtube and another went to Facebook

New it sent me here:

searchnet.com/Search/…

wat

I looked up Microsoft Orifice and found an Urban Dictionary entry

ckjbgames

@wat Wat is it

seshoumara

How can I post in a chat room a souce code of a lot of lines all at once with a scrolling bar?

wat

@ckjbgames "Slang term for Microsoft Office"

ckjbgames

22:59

Get it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

wat

@seshoumara paste it and click fixed font

ckjbgames

@wat Not to be confused with Back Orifice.

wat

@ckjbgames That joke is super old...

@ckjbgames isn't that a RAT?

ckjbgames

@wat Cult of the Dead Cow made it

@wat Just read "The Best of 2600"

wat

@ckjbgames yeah I just read the wikipedia page about that

ckjbgames

23:00

@wat There's a tutorial

In The Best of 2600

wat

@ckjbgames tutorial about what?

also try pressing the reply button.

ckjbgames

@wat How to use Back Orifice

Sorry for the ping flood

@wat There we go.

wat

Instead of just pinging like @wat, try using the reply button that appears when you hover over a message

nm

ckjbgames

@wat Yeah

wat

@wat test

seshoumara

23:02

@wat where do you see the fix font option?

wat

@seshoumara Next to send and upload

ckjbgames

@wat Cool

wat

You have to select the text first I think
also you have to have multiple lines

ckjbgames

@wat Ok

wat

@ckjbgames aight tell us if you succeed

seshoumara

23:04

@wat I don't have that option

wat

@seshoumara then just put four spaces before every line

ckjbgames

Yeah

Everybody post your main language(s) when programming in general (not just code-golf)

Python, PHP, & bash (in no particular order)

DJMcMayhem

Python, C, C++, vimscript

On a side note, I just posted my (2 ^ 8)th answer

Dennis

Congrats on your 10th answer! ;)

Riker

lol

DJMcMayhem

23:16

Thanks. I thought I'd never get there, but after years of hard work, I've finally posted a measly ten answers

ATaco

Lua, Java, whatever tickles my fancy, in that order.

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Seriously though, congrats! Writing answers is quite time-consuming if you put effort into it, and you certainly do.

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis Congratulations from one fellow addict to another? :P

orlp

23:41

WOW: youtu.be/NMKOY9hZEd8

Pavel

@Dennis Wait, how does that math work?

trichoplax

XOR...

Pavel

23:56

O I GET IT NOW

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