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14:00
@KritixiLithos but it's too ol...wait i code K&R C :(
@LegionMammal978 Too large.
LegionMammalEighteenteenteen.
94 teen dismissed to the length, but it's golfy and kinda follows your idea.
It doesn't wooooork...
What doesn't wooooork?
14:20
@Qwerp-Derp when are you going to answer my question on your challenge?
(They're harmless, give them a try)
14:36
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Q: Animate tacky Christmas light decorations

Stewie GriffinThis challenge is in honor of the tacky Christmas lights at my in laws' house. The challenge is to create a graphical output showing the Christmas decoration in "real time". The video (gif or other format) will have n-by-m vertical and horizontal "lights". 5 <= m,n <= 40. The frame size and r...

Uhh @KritixiLithos are you on?
If you are I need help with the rotational matrix function
@FlipTack The query you have given me is a tough one
Discuss it with the answer poster for now, because it's 10:45 here and I have to sleep
alright, i'll nuke my comments on the main challenge and comment on the submission
i forgot to take my adhd meds this morning before I came to work
14:53
@betseg I was mathematician long before I became a code golfer. I tend to like challenges that involve math.
If that happens to get me a bounty, so be it. ;)
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Q: Golf me a MathScript™ Interpreter

FishProHDI, as a programmer, decided that I needed a language specifically for basic maths. No one quite knows why, but I did. So I create MathScript™. The language itself works like this: Only 1 integer can be stored by the program, this is referred to as the Variable and is the only data which can be ...

this is going to be a long day
@Sherlock9 I think you can golf the last function slightly, to this, but I haven't tested it
That works. Thanks!
15:08
@GabrielBenamy Assuming your boss is aware of your ADHD, I'd ask for permission to go home and take your meds.
@Dennis I'll probably go home and take them during my lunch break.
I don't have any phone calls until 2.
@Dennis I was an amateur mathematician before I was a programmer before I was a golfer. I love math challenges
@zyabin101 did you use extras?
How does one become a mathematician in general?
Fun fact: 12345678910987654321 is a prime number
15:09
can you show me line which declares ches?
@Downgoat var ches = require('cheddar-parser') earlier on in that same REPL session.
@Sherlock9 I'm an unprofessional (i.e., non-professional) programmer who has used Google and now knows some math
@zyabin101 add (true) to the end
@Sherlock9 Depends on your definition. I became one by getting three math degrees.
I only have one math degree...
15:10
@Downgoat Oh, then.
I only have zero math degrees...
are you Dr. Dennis, PhD?
Write that in the Ches README.
@GabrielBenamy Dr. Dennis is new Dr. Ham Jam?
@GabrielBenamy Yep.
15:12
@Dennis The user picture + hat fit that description
You mean the glasses, definitely not the hat.
No, that's definitely how I visualize people with three degrees in math
@Dennis which branches of math? if you don't mind me asking
Mainly Topology.
@Dennis Ah. Perhaps I should have gone for a math Bachelor's instead of a programming bachelor's
15:15
Heh, I sometimes wonder if I should have studied CS instead.
@Doorknob very.. nice use of your hat
Is it okay to take a math masters after a computer science bachelor's? I don't know if I have the math background for that degree
@Dennis Fair play :D
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ You just pinged Doorknob.
I think you wanted to ping Dennis, right?
15:16
no
I wanted to ping the knob
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@Dennis Umm... the difference between a toroid and a Möbius band. Jeopardy music
he's not in chat right now, but I saw his avatar on main
why did wanting to ping the knob get stars
Oh gosh he really used his hat nicely.
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ oh my... Can't tell if it makes less phallic or more
15:18
How do you put on multiple hats? I can't figure it out
You don't o.o
Photoshop
You put on one hat and declare one = two.
You take snapshots of the hats and you put the main hat.
@LegionMammal978 Although in your specific case, you could just make the hat the avatar. Who would know?
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15:21
Pssst... I know how to wear an invisible Russian hat.
congratulations
Wanna know how?
not really TBH
If anyone wants to know, you just let it wear YOU.
15:27
I'm wearing a few dozens of them right now. And then, I wear a couple of eggs and a couple of bacon strips.
@Dennis Did you get Steam set up? It's a bit of a nuisance on distros other than Ubuntu and Arch
are you trying to get dennis to play tf2/csgo/etc.?
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ No.
6.5 hours left until i go home to sleep for the day
No. orlp got him interested in TIS-100
15:29
@zyabin101 you're not quartata, so can you not answer for him?
regardless of whether you know the right answer or not
@quartata oh cool
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ Thanks.
Stop confirming your hate by asking me to not answer any of your questions.
.....!
15:31
I'm not confirming hate, why would I be?
@quartata Haven't tried yet.
> Warning Steam is a closed source application whose runtime relies on a 2012 Ubuntu release for binary compatibility. It breaks regularly on openSUSE:Tumbleweed rolling release as it doesn't play well together with a modern system dependencies.
Sounds promising.
@Dennis I'm not sure what they mean by the former part of the sentence but the application itself is 32-bit which is what I assume they're referring to
Not usually a big deal but you might need some 32-bit versions of dependencies
Nah, having 32-bit and 64-bit runtime libraries at the same time shouldn't be a problem. If Stream requires certain versions though, and those are from 2012...
That isn't the case as far as I'm aware.
That guide might be old though
@Qwerp-Derp I'm on now
15:45
@DJMcMayhem why is there a big anime onion in undertale
@quartata I usually just go with the Windows in a KVM (headless), with GPU passthrough. Then Steam InHome Streaming on the linux side. Has the advantage than I can also play from any other PC in my LAN.
@mınxomaτ That sounds complicated
Not really.
Plus you get way more games without switching OSs.
There isn't much difference between virtio passthrough and native performance.
Pretty much all the games that matter are on Linux now though
Why have "all that matter", if you can have "all". Plus I gain a stealth Windows build server for Windows binaries.
Many non-Steam Windows games I care about run natively on linux (w/ Wine), too :)
15:51
@quartata not Fallout 4 unfortunately (curse you Bethesda)
@quartata what do I do with a annoying dog in undertale
never mind, what do I do with dog residue now
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ ?
I don't remember that
onion-san
he lives in waterfall
Oh yeah, that's right.
also now I have dog residue
can I like sell it or something?
16:03
So you're near napstablooks house?
well, I just got an umbrella
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ hahahaha, try to drop it. :P
I got killed by undyne last time
nap time at work? nap time at work.
@DJMcMayhem nah, I'm good. I'll probably find some place to sell it/give it away
16:04
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

PythonMasterFlaming Pancakes! code-golfmath For this challenge, the pancake sorting challenge is now slightly extended. Now to sort the pancakes, not only must you have the sizes of the pancakes in order from smallest to largest (when looking top to bottom) but all burnt sides must be on the bottom. When st...

knowing this game
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ oh sorry, I meant use it, not drop it.
yeah, I used it once already
then dropped the new pieces
Oh, so you know what happens when you use it?
Did you pet the annoying dog?
16:07
Whoops, I keep confusing things. I meant the lesser dog
I pet everything I could
I assume so
The one with the super long neck?
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ Remind me, did you kill napstablook? If not, make sure you check out his house
no, haven't found his house yet afair
in the trash zone rn
It's to the left of the onions house iirc
@Downgoat ches is dumb yet again:
> var mozzarella = require('./mozzarella')
TypeError: Cannot read property 'Locate' of undefined
    at Object.<anonymous> (C:\Users\user\Mozzarella\mozzarella.js:2:29)
    at Module._compile (module.js:570:32)
    at Object.Module._extensions..js (module.js:579:10)
    at Module.load (module.js:487:32)
    at tryModuleLoad (module.js:446:12)
    at Function.Module._load (module.js:438:3)
    at Module.require (module.js:497:17)
    at require (internal/module.js:20:19)
    at repl:1:18
    at sigintHandlersWrap (vm.js:22:35)
@DJMcMayhem do I beat up the dummy
16:16
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ oh, nvmd. You're close then
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ it's up to you. :P
I'll give general advice, but I won't tell you who to kill or not kill
JOHN CENA DUMMY
What am I seeing here?
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ really, are you discoursing Undertale?
16:18
I screwed up my link damnit, I want amped up ...
@PythonMaster DC and DJ discoursing Undertale.
@zyabin101 yes, what about it?
and did you mean discussing?
Oh can someone review my entry in the Sandbox? I am quite anxious to see if I have done something right here for once
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ Yes.
16:19
that's to write authoritatively, which I am not
oh, okay
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ You have to drop it
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ I thought the same thing, and I almost said something about it, but apparently discourse is correct too
@PythonMaster why don't you post a link?
You can sell dog residue or use it to try and farm dog salads
16:20
I'd kinda like this discourse put in the next room, but it's up to you.
@PythonMaster Have you checked for dupes?
If you do decide to move this discourse, I'll pick up the initiatives of calling up a mod and creating a room.
You don't need to call a mod
@DJMcMayhem Why?
16:21
@PythonMaster And it is not a dupe of this one?
Is there a RO in here?
@quartata nah, I'm keeping it
Oh my gosh why are there so many dupes!>
?
@quartata dog salad?
16:22
@PythonMaster Cause we like to swing dupe hammers :)
Curse soup hammers
but I wanted to make the room ;___;
I mean dupe
@zyabin101 cause there's no need to.
___;___;___
16:23
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ When you use it it makes more
I konw
tried that
But sometimes it makes dog salad too
can you it it?
*eat it
16:27
What's a better word for a function which takes two arguments?
I want to say 'binary operation', but that could be a lot of other things
Multitasker?
@PythonMaster If you delete challenges in the Sandbox, please edit them first such that only the title is remaining. Otherwise it get's quite cluttered for the ones who can see all the deleted posts=)
16:38
@Lynn I thought you might enjoy this too: ben.akrin.com/mandala
Satisfying AF.
16:57
I got another entry (yes another): meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/11081/36594
This time, there are no dupes
17:08
15 minutes until I head home and take my meds
@flawr Any improvements?
@GabrielBenamy You are okay right?
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

PythonMasterShell Sort code-golfmath The shell sort is basically an improved insertion sort. Instead of using insertion sort on the entire list, shell sort breaks the list into sub-lists and then uses insertion sort on each sub-list. Once that is finished, insertion sort is then used on the entire list sin...

@PythonMaster Yeah, I just have ADHD and forgot to take my adderall this morning before coming to work
That's cool
I wonder how it is to have ADHD
@PythonMaster what improvements?
17:12
Like do I need to improve anything on my newer entry?
@PythonMaster Everything is loud and fast and you just wanna keep up
so you get loud and fast, too
@PythonMaster I think this is not very well suited. Usually we define what input should be mapped to what output, not how it is done, because this is just calling for loopholes.
Okay
But I do have an example>
@PythonMaster See for example this: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/10002/24877
@Downgoat are you responding? :/
17:19
@PythonMaster It seems you haven't participated in a single challenge, I recommend doing so before writing challenges, just to get a feeling for what works and what doesn't work
The thing here is that I don't quite understand how to golf. I understand regular coding but golfing seems really weird and a whole lot of characters to memorize
I'm trying to learn but it's not quite helping
@PythonMaster Just pick a programming language, write an answer, then try to make it as short as possible
What languages do you like using?
Python (no Python in my username is supposed to be the snake, not the language)\
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Nice, then also check out tips for golfing in python
I'll try then
17:24
Then first pick an easy challenge, for example this one: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/104982/…
A good idea for any language is to remove whitespace and comments. Python? Python 2: best bet is to use tabs and spaces.
@ZacharyT Why is that a good idea?
Some languages use tabs, some curly braces e.t.c.
I meant unnecessary withespace, sorry.
@flawr In Python 2, one tab is equivalent to eight spaces, so you can use one space for the first identation level, one tab for the second, one space and one tab for the third, etc.
Python 2 is weird.
@Dennis s/ 2//
17:34
@Dennis agreed, and Python 3 is 1.5 times as weird.
user image
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Hey, could be worse, could be 0.9.1!
@Dennis idk about python2, but in python 3 a single space is sufficient for an indentation level.
you sure you need 8 spaces???
I think that works in py2. He means the physical tab character.
@flawr Isn't hockey just a shorter distance, more violent form of golf?
@ZacharyT oh I understand. like \t?
17:37
Yeah.
got you.
@flawr Not really, no. Python 3 just errors if you mix tabs and spaces, which is the expected outcome when somebody commits a crime like that.
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@Dennis You wanna say never mix Python3 and Whitespace?
17:39
@AshwinGupta Yes, one space is sufficient. But for the second indentation level, you can use a tab instead of two spaces, which saves a byte. tio.run/nexus/…
@flawr no he wants to say never mix Python3 and RANDOM Whitespace
@Dennis omg, thats so weird.
Weird?! Have you SEEN APL, J, Jelly, CJam, Actually, Seriously, ...?
OK, but for those languages, weird was a conscious design decision.
Does anyone know how to escape backticks in Markdown, when they're at the beginning and end of a code block .-.
For Jelly, CJam, Actually, Seriously, Golfscript, ...: yeah.
APL and J, not really.
17:45
like <backtick> some stuff <backtick>
but preformatted
Where exactly? In chat? A comment?
In Github markdown :)
Ugh.
oh, and it's not a code block, it's inline code :(
I might just give up and say "for technical reasons, this cannot be displayed"
This works:
``foo` ``
17:48
haha, found it. double backticks with spaces
yep, thanks!
ninja'd
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@Dennis Your interweaving quine is clever. I totally forgot about shutdown hooks...
I'll probably delete mine now, as it's the longest Python one, and possible cheating using cls :P
Anyone have a running total of Dennis's losses?
18:03
I believe they were destroyed by Dennis from the information seen in Dennis' smile
18:18
Hello?
@PythonMaster Yes.
Hello.
Hello there.
I though I was alone...
*thought.
18:21
:)
;0
Oops Caps Lock
Dead, isn't it?
:/ wikia neutralized FuckFuckAdblock
now I have to disable the adblocker temporarily if I want to view a wikia site
Link to a site that should do this? It doesn't seem to detect my AdBlock.
18:30
do you have adblock or ABP?
I was going to use ublock origin, but that interferes with another extension I have
AdBlock
Link, please.
blocks for me after a couple seconds
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ wat
it's deprecated in favor of nethackwiki.com
normally I use the nethackwiki.com, but that was first on google
yeah, I know
18:33
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ you vs. Downgoat?
Downcat? Sigh, I thought I was talking to Downgoat. ಠ_ಠ
>_<
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I'm easterly
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ It doesn't block me. AdblockPlus, Chromium, and using "Adblock Warning Removal List"
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ Oh, hi easterly. Where's irk? That irks me.
Nಠ, nಠt thಠse!
18:34
Is using java lambdas like this permitted?
@redstarcoder hm, okay
@FlipTack yes iirc
It doesn't block me at all even with all detection thingies turned off.
hm, maybe it's ABP without AWRL only
I'll try disabling mine
I'm not blocked while using AdBlock Plus with AdBlock
18:38
AdBlock Plus and AdBlock? Those use the same lists, no?
Still no "We've noticed you" sorta message
Use uBlock Origin! It's open source and has the best antiprivacy stuff and many many lists.
FuckFuckAdblock normally block sites from telling I have an adblocker, but not this time
8 mins ago, by Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ
I was going to use ublock origin, but that interferes with another extension I have
@Dennis All of them use the same upstream lists: easylist.to
FFAdBlock never did much for me, except generating weird errors in the console.
18:40
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ was just writing use uBlock lol
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ And x redirects to the "How to Disable" page on Fandom. :d
^^ Anti-Adblock Killer
@zyabin101 yeah, it's annoying
18:41
I'm using uBlock Origin. Additionally, I block some of the tracking or spam IPs in my Polipo blacklist.
nope, not really. uBlock has stuff that blocks cnet and softonic
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I see all the easylist lists in that picture.
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ he didn't say ublock doesn't use other stuff, just that ublock uses the easylist ones
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ Oh I see.
They already contain the major part of the ad filters, there's probably a lot of dupes.
18:44
@Geobits is this better than my normal avatar then?
for reference, ghostery is the one that ublock origin doens't like
@Downgoat Oh, I uh, did not take that into account. I really should have learned my lesson by now...
Isn't it downCAT?
TBF it's pretty funny as-is, but yeah, that's true
@ZacharyT no, I'm easterly
Replying to knob.
the goat is still a goat
18:47
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ 10/10 very confusing
@ZacharyT I mean that he's replying to the goat's comment about phallicness, not my comment that it looks nice
i have returned, medicated
@Dennis yeah, I should probably fix my name right about now
and avatar
Horray, another chat is going to be consumed by the chaos!
@Downgoat can you start chatgoat in beep boop maggot
18:48
Another one?
@Dennis can you refresh my chat profile?
@GabrielBenamy congrats
@Dᴏᴡɴᴄᴀᴛ With pleasure.
it shows up right in the bottom left for me
there we go
18:51
Still says Downcat. Is that intended?
yeah, I can't change my name for another 29 days
I've pinged the nice mod on my chat parent site (SFF) with a request to change it back to easterly
I thought there was some trick with switching parent sites or something.
yeah, there is, but that would require using small caps on PPCG
which I promised not to
And if you switch to Arqade or Mother Meta?
oh, true
I'll just do that for time being
> .../users/175356/d
lol
18:54
Btw, my daughter really likes your Heisenberg.
oh, thanks?
she (my cat) is nice
aha! thanks for the refreshify
Most of the time, yes.
Hey, things make sense again. \o/
lol
@Dennis how many children do you have?
Just the one.
@Dennis so just for the record, you don't care about small caps as long as they don't interfere with what happens on main?
18:59
They annoy me when they interfere with my workflow, which is the case on main, but not really in chat. That's not specific to small caps though, but to all characters I can't type and am thus forced to copy-pasta.

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