The Nineteenth Byte

Downgoat

00:01

They are pretty much the exact same except people switched to Gulp to confuse more people

quartata

Gotcha.

Next time I'll roll a d4 to include Broccoli and makefiles

Downgoat

Broccoli?

quartata

Another one. Apparently Ember uses it

I learned everything I know about frontend from iamdevelopr

Downgoat

So apparently in benchmark.js, the returned object with all the benchmark data has near useless stuff like standard deviation but lacks the goddamn time it took to complete the test

THAT IS MOST BASIC FUNCTIONALITY FFS

Conor O'Brien

-lolwat

quartata

00:05

Seriously, what is it with JS and useless tools?

Downgoat

nvm shit joke

Destructible Watermelon

no really I want to join to join this koth and I don't know java...

Maltysen

@quartata yeah, I really hate this one tool called javascript

(jk, js isn't that bad)

quartata

tfw you misspell an intentional typo. It's iamdevloper

Couldn't remember which e is missing

Downgoat

@quartata this feeling was me 100% of the time

Destructible Watermelon

00:15

Is there a good way to import python classes for a koth like java does, or is subprocess.Popen work best?

also what should the chances of an attack succeeding be?

Oh, that gives me a good idea

what if instead of reloading, bots can "recalibrate" the weapon, so they can shoot endlessly, but the chance of hitting goes down, but can perform an action to increase the chance of hitting or something

Wait did I already make a chat room for this?

oh yeah, but nothing actually happened in it

What if I want to bring back a frozen room?

quartata

Ping a mod. They can freeze and unfreeze rooms.

Destructible Watermelon

Which is best mod to ping right now?

Conor O'Brien

probably tricho

Destructible Watermelon

kk

@trichoplax can you unfreeze a room please? chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/48054/maze-battle-koth

Also anybody interested in helping me make this koth?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

00:42

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I did cast a close vote, to see if you get the hat for closing or for casting the vote.

quartata

Why didn't you retract it

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@trichoplax Ummmm.... well at least most people don't know the actual meaning of "sanguine"

quartata

I do!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

(----!) /s

Downgoat

00:44

> Numbers x undefined ops/sec

only in JS...

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat Huh?

Downgoat

I'm doing benchmarks for cheddar

turns out it's pretty fast

quartata

hahaha

Oops... uh not in reply to that

ATaco

Lua won't allow you to use a variable named 0d because it might be a number number 0d is never a valid number.

quartata

but the error

I'm guessing Numbers came from a bad toString

ATaco

00:46

eval(tostring(n)) can never go wrong. Trust me.

Downgoat

ok. will try

quartata

@Downgoat Is it faster than CPython?

Downgoat

how fast is CPython?

only thing really slow about cheddar is bootup time

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

a lot faster than python

Downgoat

which will be fixed once I get snapshot stuffs

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ shit

trichoplax

00:48

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Are you thinking of cython?

quartata

CPython is the reference implementation of Python...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oh, sorry

thinking of cython

Downgoat

oh nevermind then

ATaco

We should rename CPython Cobra

quartata

And it's slow as molasses thickened with cornstarch

Downgoat

00:48

Are there python benchmarks anywhere?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

so slower than the feed bots?

Maltysen

@ATaco just curious, is there a reason why you're speaking completely in italics?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ATaco cobra already lang

ATaco

I don't speak in completely italics.

Just mostly

quartata

@Downgoat Rewrite your test code in Python and use timeit

Maltysen

00:49

oh

quartata

@Downgoat What are you using to test? Primes?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ATaco you need that taco hat man

ATaco

There's a TACO HAT?!!

Downgoat

@quartata waaaaat

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Test branch speed, esp. branch prediction failure!

Downgoat

00:51

No I just boot up cheddar and stream code to it and test how long it take to do a thing

ATaco

I seem to have been lied to about the existence of a Taco Hat

quartata

Right but what code? Timing individual statements is useless

@ATaco secret hat

ATaco

How do I acquire this Taco Hat and why don't I get one for being ATaco?

Downgoat

@quartata like how fast it take to do print 1

Maltysen

first responder this year is much harder from last years aud lang syne IIRC

quartata

00:54

That is totally useless :P

Downgoat

or how fast it take to do for (var i = 0; i < 5; i += 1) { print i }

:|

Maltysen

@Downgoat mandlebrot?

that's popular for benchmarks

quartata

Or n-body.

@Downgoat Try generaring primes or something if you want an easy test. (no builtins obviously)

Downgoat

:(

quartata

Do a lot of iterations to account for noise

?

Downgoat

00:57

I would like to remain in my bubble making myself think cheddar is fast

quartata

cool story bro

I'll do it myself here in a little bit

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem ikr, it's really irritating sometimes though

quartata

On the bright side you'll probably be faster than Perl 6. Used to take 8 seconds to get primes up to 1000 (vs 45 ms in regular Perl)

Downgoat

:D

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I'm really proud of this answer

quartata

01:01

I thnk they improved that a while back but don't know

Downgoat

primes in perl?

quartata

@Downgoat How do I update Cheddar?

@Downgoat Perl 6. It's 45 milliseconds in regular Perl.

Downgoat

request: code to prime generate that I can convert to cheddar

quartata

I installed Cheddar via NPM if it matters

npm update doesn't seem to do anything

And I'm guessing v1.0.0-beta.52 isn't the latest

Downgoat

oh

npm update don't do anything

you gotta just reinstall

npm i -g cheddar-lang

quartata

01:13

@Downgoat What's reduce again?

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis your avatar looks like a menacing shriner with a purple hat

Downgoat

.reduce

or /

quartata

You don't have factorial so I have to do it myself

Downgoat

It's quite simple I mean 1|>n/(*)

Maltysen

@quartata wilsons?

Downgoat

01:16

I'm actually not sure if Cheddar can find the first 1000 prime numbers in rational amount of time

Maltysen

@DJMcMayhem whats the rules on input for vim? How do I take two inputs?

Downgoat

Though I mean it's not like you're gonna be cracking password with cheddar anyway

Maltysen

@Downgoat that's scary

Downgoat

@Maltysen :'(

quartata

@Maltysen Yes because I'm lazy

Conor O'Brien

01:17

@Downgoat builtins are no longer disalowed

quartata

Syntax Error: Unexpected token at 1:0
1 | for (var i := 1; i <= 1000; i++) {

@Downgoat

Downgoat

there's no ++ it's += 1

Maltysen

@quartata trial division is actually shorter in python

Conor O'Brien

why var, why :=, no ++

Downgoat

:= is type deduction

var == let also

btw there's actually docs on this stuff: docs.cheddar.vihan.org

quartata

01:18

var is required

I've got bad news: it's hanging after 23

Downgoat

haha

that's probably JS

it went to Infinity I'm guessing

Maltysen

@Downgoat e23 shouldn't be infinity?

quartata

Python completed in 20 ms minus start up time

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I. Am. Pootiscat!!!

Downgoat

wait whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

quartata

01:19

My only conclusion is that CPython is infinitely faster than Cheddar

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ needs more !s and bold for emphasis

quartata

I'll do trial division just to level the playing field :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat oic

Conor O'Brien

@Maltysen e23! maybe?

DJMcMayhem

@Maltysen it varies. Generally just whatever is most convenient.

Downgoat

01:20

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ :D 10/10 very emphatic

Maltysen

@ConorO'Brien no, 24! is e23

DJMcMayhem

What challenge are you working on?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

there we go

@DJMcMayhem nice hat

Destructible Watermelon

Maze battle Koth

making a koth! Please halp

DJMcMayhem

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ thanks, lol

Maltysen

01:21

@quartata any(n%i for i in range(2,n)) is trial division in python

Downgoat

@quartata can you send me your prime program

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

chat refereshify @trichoplax?

VoteToClose

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Response answer. ;P

Conor O'Brien

does this look good to post

Maltysen

@quartata btw for pytohn wilson did you use math.factorial?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:22

@VoteToClose damn

quartata

@Maltysen Yes, which I know is cheating since it's done in C

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien lgtm

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VoteToClose TBF that doesn't answer the question

Conor O'Brien

"looks good to me"?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

the question was "is it less than <x>"

quartata

01:23

@Downgoat Does Cheddar have multiple break or something like Python's else for loops?

Maltysen

@quartata still, reduce(lambda a,b:a*b, range(1,1001),1) finished instantly

trichoplax

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Done, but still looks the same to me (a hat with no avatar)

Downgoat

crap have CS final tomorrow brb need to study

quartata

@Maltysen I know I'm increasing the range

VoteToClose

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ? No, the question asks how to test for the health of an entity.

Conor O'Brien

01:24

@Downgoat naw you don't need to study just do cheese

Downgoat

@quartata break

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> How to testfor if a mob has less than x health?

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien true but java is weird

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> I want it so when its health is less than x, or when it has lost a quarter of its health, something happens.

quartata

@Downgoat I know. I mean breaking out of more than one loop, or triggering code that only occurs on no break

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:24

@VoteToClose are you sure?

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat make java cheese

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I'm confused

> puttingweirdthingsincoffee.files.wordpress.com

Conor O'Brien

ewww lol

trichoplax

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ OK. I refreshed my chat page too, and now I see the top half of your cat avatar, and all of your hat. No idea why the bottom half of the avatar is missing - it's there on your profile

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@trichoplax hm, okay

I see full avatar + hat for me

Downgoat

01:25

Question is gonna be like: "If I have superclass named 'Goat' and client class 'Dog', what expression do I put in method 'fly' to make 'Sheep' output the mass of the sun."

trichoplax

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Now I see the whole avatar

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oh cool

Maltysen

@quartata a return would work?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VoteToClose do you see what I mean/

quartata

@Maltysen I'm doing it in one function in case the goat complains about function overhead

Downgoat

01:26

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ BLASPHEM ALERT 🚨 BLASPHEM ALERT 🚨 BLASPHEM ALERT 🚨

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hahaha

it's actually decent to drink/eat

it's like hot chocolate but not nasty

VoteToClose

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Yes, as it shows that they are attempting to test without the use of a scoreboard, which cannot be done. Thus, they need the assistance with the tracking of the stat, they demonstrate the range checking capability.

Downgoat

ಠ____ಠ WHAT

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VoteToClose oh true

Downgoat

maybe it's a cat thing

@DJMcMayhem can you verify this

trichoplax

01:27

@Downgoat I'm not sure "brb" and "need to study" belong in the same sentence :P

Downgoat

crap. I never left to study >_>

DJMcMayhem

Verify what?

Downgoat

okay, going to study now

quartata

@Downgoat Bad news

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem do you like hot chocolate?

VoteToClose

01:27

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ You saw my comment too, right?

Maltysen

@ConorO'Brien imma guess this has to be a legit quine?

not just 1

quartata

It took Cheddar 11 seconds

Conor O'Brien

@Maltysen as per quine defaults yes

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat Absolutely. Not as much as coffee though

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VoteToClose yeah, it was just my name being misleading

quartata

01:28

For up to 1000

Maltysen

@quartata o_O

quartata

Python did 10,000 in 160 milliseconds.

ATaco

What's this about quines?

DJMcMayhem

@Maltysen What were you doing in vim?

quartata

And 20 ms for 1000

Downgoat

01:30

@quartata 😏 is JS still the slowest language? :P

Maltysen

@DJMcMayhem trying the 121321432154321654321 challenge

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VoteToClose That tracks whatever is named EasterlyIrk, I meant that just as a placeholder, thanks for noticing that

Conor O'Brien

0.146023 seconds to do first 1e6 primes in J

quartata

@Downgoat I factored out startup just to be considerate.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

¿Hay personas aquí hablan español?

Downgoat

01:30

;_; goats are not good at making cheese

2

DJMcMayhem

@Maltysen oh, OK. Doesn't that only have one input?

Maltysen

@quartata why is 10000 faster per prime than 1000

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat aren't you supposed to be studying? :P

quartata

@Maltysen Noise. I ran it again and it was 15 ms

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VoteToClose hey did you nukify your answer?

you probably could have left it

New Main Posts

01:32

0

Q: Incremental Quine

Your task is to write a program or function that outputs the first character of its source code, then the second, then the third... each time it is run. For example, if your program was foo in language bar in file baz.bar, then you should get output similar to this: λ bar baz.bar f λ bar baz.b...

Downgoat

science teacher said no printing on 3x5 card but I don't care :P

VoteToClose

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Didn't work - health stat isn't tracked for non-player entities.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

wait what

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat Do people know that you're a goat in RL?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I'd go with yes, it's not that hard to tell you're a goat

@VoteToClose shit

Downgoat

01:33

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Oh, I avoid people towns. I just stay on the farm most of the time

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I mean do you mention being/liking a goat alot IRL?

@Downgoat You goat to be kidding me

Conor O'Brien

does your school allow goats

Downgoat

I make goat jokes sometimes, but the entire goat thing originated from when me and some friends were developing a website

@ConorO'Brien Yes, with permission from principal

Conor O'Brien

I see

quartata

@Downgoat on the bright side / (*) is pretty cool

DJMcMayhem

01:35

I have several RL friends with goat obsessions. It's kind of weird actually

VoteToClose

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Yeah - stat.damageTaken doesn't get tracked for non-player entities and stat.damageDealt isn't target-specific.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat How, so? Seems like it would be interesting.

VoteToClose

oh is WinterBash on?

Sorry Winter*sh?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Yes.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VoteToClose yes

as evidenced by hats

Downgoat

01:37

Can someone get me a link to an article which described when you use le/la and when you use de/du/des/de l'/de la in the context of foods. (e.g. Achetez le pizza or Achetez du pizza or Achetez une pizza)

stupid french teacher don't like goats :(

Like she told us a story of why she doesn't like goats

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Not super-appropriate story but I can paraphrase if you wish

@DJMcMayhem :D your friends are cool

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat please tell teh storiez

Downgoat

will do after I study

Conor O'Brien

OH SHIT I HAVE A FINAL TOMORROW oh well

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

rip

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

yes

Conor O'Brien

01:45

CMC: first n members of A003057, or n-1 occurances of n

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@DJMcMayhem wat how

Downgoat

Today on english final we had to define "what it means to be a hero". It said to "cite multiple examples", but I missed the part where it said "from one work", so I'm 99% sure I'm gonna get F on final and fail English and fail highschool :(

Conor O'Brien

bro

ATaco

Why not just A002024?

Conor O'Brien

it's one question on one final for the midterm

ATaco

01:47

Oh

Conor O'Brien

@ATaco because that has a closed form solution? :P

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien No our midterm was an essay

like just one essay

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat *it's one final for the midterm of one year

ATaco

floor(sqrt(2(n+1)) + 1/2)-1?

Conor O'Brien

shhh you're ruining it

Downgoat

01:48

@ConorO'Brien Yea, but now it ruins my 4.0 :(

how do I get into good university now :(

Conor O'Brien

oh

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat racial diversity? I doubt they have a goat currently studying there

ATaco

@Downgoat Where are you? Country wise?

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat I got into RIT with a 3.something and graduated with something like 2.6.

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yes but I am that kinda goat which has racial quotas not on my side :(

@ATaco USA (cal)

ATaco

01:50

Welp, Can't help you there.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat :/

ATaco

I come from a land Down Goat

Downgoat

> Definition of hacker
2: a person who is inexperienced or unskilled
3: an expert

10/10 not contradicting defintions

Maltysen

@ConorO'Brien @smRtdS

ATaco

So how many people here have written their own langauges that they've used on PPCG?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:57

@ETHproductions did you bounty the quine question during winterbash?

Maze battle Koth

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