The Nineteenth Byte

TimmyD

14:00

My language's PRNG always returns 4 for some reason.

Geobits

Yeah, powershell is gross like that

quartata

We could probably require it to have some score or better on a statistical randomness test

TimmyD

PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> get-random -mi 4 -ma 5
4

See?!

TuxCopter

...... ._.

Geobits

I don't actually see any advantage in having a bad PRNG in an esolang. How would it be better than just implementing a real one?

Rainbolt

14:02

Weird. My Powershell does the same thing!
PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> $PRNG=4
PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> echo $PRNG
4
PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing>

quartata

@Geobits Just to be a nuisance?

TimmyD

($PRNG=4) ... golfed a bunch of bytes for ya

mınxomaτ

@quartata The purpose on which all esolangs are created.

Geobits

@quartata Well sure, that. I meant as a "loophole" it isn't very good :P

mınxomaτ

> It's brainf_ck, but blue!

Geobits

14:05

Oh, cool. I made a green one last week, so it's nice to see some variety.

Rainbolt

That was mildly funny but I hold you to a higher standard of jokes, so I will refrain

Geobits

Oh, sure. That one definitely wasn't worth a star or anything. I'd be disappointed with anyone who did.

mınxomaτ

We have standards now? What's next? Pun licenses?

Geobits

Not mad, just disappointed.

TimmyD

Stardards?

Geobits

14:10

wah wah waaaaaaaaah

Sorry, that just isn't the same in text. Have the sound effect: youtube.com/watch?v=HP8sofAN4xc

Rainbolt

It was quite clear in my head the moment I read it

Geobits

Yeah, but it just doesn't feel right to me :(

Rainbolt

Okay, I need to be productive for an hour. Bbl.

Geobits

Good luck!

TimmyD

@Geobits Oh, I always use the instant*.com sites for those.

instantrimshot.com has a lot of good ones

Gabriel Benamy

14:13

I feel like I've been hit by a truck

Geobits

I guess sadtrombone works too sadtrombone.com/?autoplay=true

mınxomaτ

Two Drums and a Cymbal Fall off a Cliff

►

Geobits

@GabrielBenamy In a... uh.. good way?

TimmyD

@mınxomaτ That, uh, that initial link was impressive.

Gabriel Benamy

@Geobits Yes. I am experiencing all of the positive effects of being hit by a truck (e.g. blood loss, broken bones, death) without the unfortunate experience of having actually been hit by a truck

5

mınxomaτ

14:14

@TimmyD Friggin google search proxy links.

@GabrielBenamy The future of virtual reality. Truck Simulator 2020

Geobits

@GabrielBenamy So the big question is, what happens after death? Not many people can chat about it afterwards.

TimmyD

Oh jeez. PPCG and TNB is the afterlife.

mınxomaτ

I'm OK with that.

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Q: Ways of specifying random generation in challenges

Note: As per consensus on Meta, challenge-writing questions are on topic here. In light of this "thing to avoid when writing challenges", I started to think about challenges involving random generation of certain kinds of objects. It sometimes happens that I want to post a code-golf challen...

mınxomaτ

NMP splendid timing.

Gabriel Benamy

14:18

Well idk about everyone else, but I have raisin pancakes.

Geobits

Did they fall off the imaginary truck?

Gabriel Benamy

No, they fell out of this foam container of raisin pancakes I paid for

Geobits

Wow, lucky.

TimmyD

Gods be praised.

The bounty is plentiful this year.

Gabriel Benamy

If I paid for a Mathematica license, do you think Dennis could set it up for TIO?

TimmyD

14:28

That would be public redistribution and I'm pretty confident you didn't pay for that license.

TuxCopter

A free online Mathematica cloud already exists

Wolfram Programming Lab

Downgoat

Cat Drone

►

Next Up: a Penguin-Copter! @TuxCopter :O

(warning: kinda morbid)

TuxCopter

14:47

wtf

animal abuse eleven

Downgoat

@EverythingGoats no. It's hard to type with hooves

Tweeted by JakeMHS on December 14, 2016 at 2:36 PM in reply to EverythingGoats

This guy knows what's up

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Q: Bridges are metaphors for everything in ASCII Art

(with apologies to Jim West for the title, and randomly inspired by Cisco's textual representation of their logo: .:|:.:|:. for the concept) Given an input integer 1 <= n <= 255, output an ASCII art representation of a suspension bridge of distance n following the below construction rules: The...

code-golf ascii-art

TimmyD

Dang, I think that's a new NewMainPosts record.

Gabriel Benamy

15:22

what

this is so buggy oh my god

TuxCopter

?

Gabriel Benamy

the COW interpreter literally hangs for no reason unless I output something

this is so bizarre

TuxCopter

Not as weird as the language itself

Gabriel Benamy

The language is actually a slightly more versatile version of Brainfuck

but ?????????????????????????

literally unless I print a 0 with a trailing newline, the interpreter just hangs

VoteToClose

@TimmyD For... slowness? Fastness?

betseg

15:48

@TimmyD it's 18:48, post says 38 mins ago, and bot posted in 18:09

Wat how

TimmyD

Quickness. It was significantly less than a minute.

Gabriel Benamy

16:11

this is so messed up

I can't output anything unless I output a number later

In php, why can't I do array('a','b','c')[2]?

VoteToClose

Dear god this is awful

Writing difficult Vitsy code is harrd

Geobits

Because the dog keeps biting?

TuxCopter

@GabrielBenamy Because PHP?

VoteToClose

16:29

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A: Significant Whitespace: Cops

Vitsy, 76 bytes This is downright evil. 5mW3m7m)x7ml2mD&EPamX}<m15mEnl9mZD\[4m]^P-cm(D_2-3*bmD1-dmrnu-' Good luck!

Geez that took 2 hours to write.

That moment when you leave a bug in by accident >.>

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Q: Reopen my question that has several correct answers

Shortest Konami Code implementation I have this question and for some reason it was closed as unclear what I was asking for a second time. I fixed it the first time and it become open. Several correct answers were posted and I accepted one (More about that later). Then a few days ago my question ...

support code-golf

Optimizer

16:46

@Rainbolt lol ryt m8

VoteToClose

@Optimizer ?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

SANDBOX META! Reserved. check back in an hour.

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Keep your factorizations small! code-golf math Given a number n, look for factors fi such that f1 * f2 * ... * fk = n and the sum s = f1 + f2 + ... + fk is as small as possible. (with k > 0) The Task Write a program or function which takes a non-negative integer n as input and returns the sma...

TimmyD

@NewSandboxedPosts lolwut

VoteToClose

@NewSandboxedPosts leet

Kritixi Lithos

@TimmyD meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/10910/…

VoteToClose

16:50

@KritixiLithos Unrelated.

Kritixi Lithos

Oops, the comment got deleted

Dennis

@NewSandboxedPosts When did you start posting HTTPS links? SSL certificates for child metas are broken.

VoteToClose

@Dennis It's not HTTPS for me. O.o

Kritixi Lithos

There was a comment that lead to the sandbox question

Dennis

@VoteToClose OK, I looked at the source, and it isn't HTTPS. Something seems to be "upgrading" the links.

TimmyD

16:52

But, why would anyone reserve a Sandbox post? That just doesn't even make sense.

VoteToClose

@TimmyD Because it's the 1337th post.

Dennis

It's actually the 3427th.

Christopher Peart

@voteToClose are you an official person or just a user?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

....? he's a real person, not a bot like geobits

Christopher Peart

But is he a official mod?

TuxCopter

16:54

No

Geobits

He's a user like any other. We allow non-mods to answer questions on meta also, though.

TimmyD

@Dennis 3426th, since "Keep your factorizations small" was posted after

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ChristopherPeart no, but he has the same authority in this case

Dennis

@TimmyD Right.

VoteToClose

@ChristopherPeart I'm officially a person. :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:55

for the most part, high rep users have authority in situations pertaining to meta, except when overruled by mods

TuxCopter

Or 3K+ for beta sites

Geobits

The only thing 10k users have on meta over others is experience (generally).

Dennis

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ You don't need high rep for that. You just have to be right.

4

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

true

Christopher Peart

ok thanks

That cleared it up

VoteToClose

16:56

Why do you ask?

Christopher Peart

Just wanted to know

VoteToClose

Also, I just realized the irony of me answering this question. >.>

Christopher Peart

The username rly

@VoteToClose the irony

Dennis

@ChristopherPeart Elected moderators have diamonds next to their usernames. But most users have some moderation privileges (reviewing, editing, closing, deleting) that come at certain reputation thresholds.

VoteToClose

@Dennis Speaking of - shouldn't I no longer be able to see deleted questions?

Dennis

17:00

The reputation thresholds haven't changed yet.

VoteToClose

Oh. That should be done in six to eight weeks, I'm guessing?

Dennis

And they probably won't before we get our design.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Exactly evening here. Hello!

Kritixi Lithos

Which is in the first of May, as we all know it

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@KritixiLithos Huh?

Dennis

17:10

We all know what in six to eight weeks actually means on November 1.

5

TuxCopter

^

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Q: Convenient Palindromic quine golf, Cops

This is the cops thread, the robber's thread is here. Cop's Challenge A program is "conveniently palindromic" if it is equal to the string derived when its reverse has all its parentheses (()), brackets ([]), and braces ({}) flipped. No other characters are special and require flipping. (<>...

quine polyglot cops-and-robbers

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Q: Convenient Palindromic quine golf, Robbers

This is the robber's thread, the cop's thread is here. Robber's Challenge A program is "conveniently palindromic" if it is equal to the string derived when its reverse has all its parentheses (()), brackets ([]), and braces ({}) flipped. No other characters are special and require flipping. (<

quine polyglot cops-and-robbers

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Huh?

wat

-_-

I just found myself @-tagging in IRC

and trying to star a message

PhiNotPi

@wat I mean, @-tagging is everywhere nowadays

VoteToClose

17:21

Yeah, I use @-tagging regardless of support.

Rainbolt

Works in Slack. They also have @channel and @here and I think you can make other groups too

@channel pings everyone, @here pings only people who are currently online

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Slack has much laxer pinging

Kritixi Lithos

Also you can @google to talk with Google Assistant while messaging with someone else on Googlo Allo

VoteToClose

Well I spent more time on that than I thought I would.

Rainbolt

Sorry :P

I was in the middle of writing my own version of his challenge and you beat me to it

VoteToClose

17:25

:P Bah. You could add it anyway.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Put in sandbox for a month...

Rainbolt

I liked your version

VoteToClose

I feel like a problem they're gonna have now is invalidating many of the existing answers.

i.e. The ones that make other sounds.

Kritixi Lithos

What are you guys even talking about?

Rainbolt

What is the difference between on hold and closed? E.g., why is this one closed, but this one is on hold?

VoteToClose

17:28

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A: Reopen my question that has several correct answers

Err... no. You should work on improving your challenge first. Your question is quite unclear, and fairly poorly formatted. By marking it as "On Hold", we signify to future users that challenges which aren't clear will be put on hold, and to further encourage the use of the Sandbox. You were sug...

Wrong ping.

Rainbolt

Nevermind, I figured it out: What is a “closed” or “on hold” question?

VoteToClose

@Rainbolt TIL

Mega Man

@TuukkaX Yep, you know me from codingame XD (@all: sorry for that 3 days reply XD)

wat

Wat is this - Text Practice - 10FastFingers.com dk0.us/b

zyabin101

@wat exempt due to privacy

wat

17:43

@zyabin101 ?

zyabin101

@VoteToClose How do we make the noise?

Kritixi Lithos

Warning! Starbot entered the chatroom!

zyabin101

Okay, that's absurd. Someone threw stars to the left and right.

Rainbolt

Did we slap them with a large trout, as promised?

wat

@zyabin101 ?

zyabin101

17:45

Y'know, they starred many messages for nothing. :/

wat

zyabin101

Correct, use Trout.

Interested: how to see a list of everything that matches a regex with some character and capture groups, like (acm[a-z]|bri[a-z](|[a-z])|corp(|[a-z])).

wat

projects.haykranen.nl/markov/demo

I ran a Markov chain generator site thing with the Wikipedia article on Trump

TuukkaX

@MegaMan What is your username at codingame.com?

wat

l Office
January 28 (the seen on term by five years, because him, but Trump appears and he had release was grandfather Christian ... I've child.[83] Independent tax law, due to the book over Trump's haired Trump had stated in December 2016)
Even though the development ahead with and lifting said in restauranteed to let her keep the first time to pays Trump won the Trump's supports affectiven his project, concluded that trade must see if he same was fined. In 2006, Trump began heritage; he would harm the idea, but his families affair with the laws.[276]

zyabin101

17:54

@TuukkaX I'm never at CodinGame.

quartata

I'm pretty sure they weren't asking about you :P

zyabin101

Anyway, I don't trust these sites...

VoteToClose

@zyabin101 Programatically.

zyabin101

18:10

Node question: How do I make it get one line of input from the command line?

VoteToClose

@ConorO'Brien 1v1 me m8

It's always nice to have a challenge to remove whitespace when your function definition is a whitespace.

@mınxomaτ feature-request

zyabin101

[1]: Yup, I've read some tutorials on it, but none of it made it clear. Ideally, I need it working natively, without modules needed for the install.

flawr

Oscilloscope Music - Pictures from Sound

►

6

zyabin101

Huh, the answer was already there: readline.

VoteToClose

@flawr Here comes flawr with more cool links again...

Xanderhall

18:31

smbc-comics.com/comic/rendering

Gabriel Benamy

who wants to play chess with me

lichess.org/pBPopY95

not a single person wants to play chess with me

how depressing

orlp

i.imgur.com/rU10p.webm

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

10

TuxCopter

brainbork

DJMcMayhem

I can confirm top. Can you confirm bottom?

VoteToClose

18:51

@DJMcMayhem confirmed

TimmyD

19:04

@VoteToClose "Don't look at the edit history." I proceed to look at the edit history Nope, still don't understand it. :D

Kritixi Lithos

I read news saying that a boy was buried under tons of snow and died, his friend was lucky that there was a pocket of air so that people were able to rescue him alive

betseg

@TuxCopter new lang confirmed?

flawr

TuxCopter

@betseg I am effectively working on a language rn, but it's not related to brainbork

Conor O'Brien

@VoteToClose I will fite you m8

Kritixi Lithos

19:09

@flawr "Mama, look there is flying food!" "Come on son, you know you've watched too much cartoons" "But, but, it's pizza..."

TimmyD

@flawr So, to keep stasis, every time you take a bite of pizza, you need to pop a balloon?

Gabriel Benamy

flawr

@TimmyD That I didn't even think of that!

TimmyD

Dang, we get Obama and Clinton together and we'll have half a jazz band.

Gabriel Benamy

TimmyD

19:13

CMC: Form a five-piece band out of US Presidents. Obama plays trombone (reference above), and Bill Clinton plays saxophone, so you get those for free and just need to find three other Presidents playing instruments.

Kritixi Lithos

To remind ourselves of the good ol' times, here's a carrot:

VoteToClose

@ConorO'Brien gl

@TimmyD Yeaaah when I go out of my way to make Vitsy unreadable, that happens

Gabriel Benamy

Harding playing the tuba

flawr

Looks like a sousaphone to me, don't the tubas have a bell that is pointing upward?

TimmyD

@VoteToClose No, I can't read it anyway. I struggle with following stack-based languages. That's part of the reason why I'm (slowly) in process of building my own.

flawr

19:16

Oh nvm apparently sousaphone ∈ tuba

Dennis

PowerStack?

TimmyD

Nice find! Yeah, it's a Sousaphone, which is just a specialized tuba designed for marching. Because Sousa was big on marching.

Unrelated to PowerShell.

flawr

PowerSousa

Gabriel Benamy

@flawr all I know is the site I totally didn't get to just by googling "presidents playing instruments" listed that as a tuba

flawr

Oh that reminds me of this cool piece of music: youtube.com/watch?v=JxmOBiKn2Uk

Dennis

19:18

> Please stick to the illegally-Xeroxed sheet music.

That Sousa?

Kritixi Lithos

There are all of these useless pngs, and only the carrot gets deleted? :(

flawr

useless?

This is high quality content from reddit.com/r/hmmm

Dennis

@KritixiLithos The carrot caused a lot of havoc in what you call "good ol' times".

Xanderhall

Hmm. I'm thinking of picking up a golfing language. Leaning towards Jelly.

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Q: McCarthy's LISP

McCarthy's 1959 LISP In early 1959, John McCarthy wrote a groundbreaking paper defining just nine primitive functions that when put together still form the basis for all LISP-like languages today. The paper is available digitized here: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/recursive.pdf Your job...

code-golf interpreter

Dennis

19:29

@Xanderhall Good choice. :)

The wiki and the chat room should help you getting started.

flawr

@Xanderhall I can also recommend MATL, or if you want a traditional language Haskell is also relatively golfable. (But not comparable with dedicated golfing languages when it comes to counting bytes.)

wat

i have a language idea

betseg

\o/

Xanderhall

@Dennis Thanks :)

wat

The name is this:

Xanderhall

19:32

@flawr Thanks for the suggestions :)

wat

000001010011100101110111

basically it's a brainb0rk derivative where the commands are

Xanderhall

Oh god, if I start learning Jelly, my answers on this site will be composed of Java, PHP, Jelly, and a handful of Mathematica

The worst collection of languages

Downgoat

@TuxCopter :O!!111!!1! You can't say that word brb ranting

wat

you forgot perl ;)

Gabriel Benamy

look; if you want to go all-out, might as well learn brainfuck

TuxCopter

19:33

@Downgoat y

Dennis

@wat From esolangs.org/wiki/brainfuck:

> A friendly message from The Name of All that is Good and Holy: Hello! This is The Name of All that is Good and Holy. Before you think of making your own extension to this language, here's another idea for you to consider: Don't! For the love of me, please don't make another derivative of this language! Unless you have something truly new to contribute, it's been done a million times before and will probably make it worse than the original.

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Downgoat

@TuxCopter it is reference to:

Dec 10 at 18:11, by flawr

@Downgoat Do you still think that spamming the word goat in every message is funny? By now it is really nothing but anoying.

TuxCopter

q_p

But I didn't said g..t

Downgoat

It's very annoying when you do thing that you never did

2

@TuxCopter yeah but "bork" is apparently in the same class of words

I said bork and someone got mad :/

idk

wat

000 -> -
001 -> +
010 -> <
011 -> >
100 -> .
101 -> ,
110 -> [
111 -> ]

Xanderhall

19:36

@Dennis I've looked at the tutorial for Jelly for all of 5 minutes, and I'm already very interested

wat

these are binary

betseg

I think this already exists

wat

._.

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis does brain-flak count?

wat

@DJMcMayhem no, brain-flak is different

Gabriel Benamy

19:38

i have an idea

wat

fuck

James Holderness

@Dennis The same could be said about Befunge.

Dennis

20:07

@DJMcMayhem I wouldn't even call Brain-Flak a brainfuck derivate, much less a boring one.

Gabriel Benamy

If that doesn't fix it, git.txt contains the phone number of a friend of mine who understands git. Just wait through a few minutes of 'It's really pretty simple, just think of branches as...' and eventually you'll learn the commands that will fix everything.

2

This is how I feel about Git

Pavel

And as someone who last week spent five hours through the night getting IntelliJ to work with Git properly, I whole heartedly agree with that xkcd.

redstarcoder

Hehe, git does have a learning curve that's for sure

Pavel

Yeah, once I figured it out I haven't had any problems since.

VoteToClose

@GabrielBenamy I've gotten better with it.

I used to do stuff like that all the time though. :P

Kritixi Lithos

20:12

@GabrielBenamy I did that yesterday when I got errors in a project :)

Poke

@Pavel eh? intellij has git integration built in

James Holderness

So intellij gets confused on your behalf?

Pavel

I know IntelliJ has Git built in

But it kept giving me errors

That it couldn't merge or something

Kritixi Lithos

I've used IntelliJ with Git

Pavel

And then it broke on my friend's computer since we were working from the same repo

VoteToClose

20:20

@Pavel Fast-forwards?

Pavel

I'm not sure what that means.

I'm kind of a noob...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem can confirm. school was recently cancelled because it rained.

it was like 2 inches of rain, so it was a good bit, but still

VoteToClose

@Pavel Two or more commits before a push to upstream, has to be manually resolved. Most frequent error throwing issue.

redstarcoder

@GabrielBenamy I think these are almost all of the git commands I use (minus "rebase -i HEAD~1" and similar, but I feel I'd be teaching bad practice...): pastebin.com/UG7iUSQC I hope that helps if you ever do decide to give git another shot :)

Pavel

Yeah, that was probably it. Also, pushing at the same time as someone else.

quartata

20:25

I feel like git squash is kind of an under appreciated third wheel of the merges

Pavel

I have not heard of that...

VoteToClose

@Pavel That shouldn't really be an issue, unless you time it basically perfectly.

redstarcoder

I use squash/fixup in rebase -i, I agree on it being underappreciated

Pavel

I'm going to go with "Sudden black magic induced computer failure"

It can strike at any moment

TimmyD

@Downgoat I don't get mad at "Bork" ... I just think you're talking to me and get confused.

Pavel

20:28

Bork bork?

TimmyD

@Pavel If you see AdmBorkBork (or slight variations, like Adm BorkBork) someone online, it's very likely me.

VoteToClose

@TimmyD Adm doggo not the woof bork ones

TimmyD

@VoteToClose Probably not me.

DJMcMayhem

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ lol, that'll never happen here

Mostly cause it never rains, :P

VoteToClose

@ConorO'Brien Looked at my Vitsy submission yet? ;P

It's a kicker.

Dennis

20:52

→ 182 messages moved to TINTWLITWTIJAT

VoteToClose

:34140922 No, NANDOS.

Dennis

@VoteToClose Wrong room. :P

VoteToClose

@Dennis It was more general than that room. Nothing to do that language.

Conor O'Brien

@VoteToClose still Omw home

VoteToClose

@ConorO'Brien oh rip

Dennis

20:54

Well, I tried my best to move only the appropriate messages, but with ~200 of them...

Kritixi Lithos

In school I did a bottle flip... it landed on a cupboard... cap down \o/ achievement unlocked

VoteToClose

@KritixiLithos no video proof

Gabriel Benamy

I appreciate the effort

Kritixi Lithos

@VoteToClose I know, I regret not taking a video

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem we're in a drought. this is the first rain we've had for like 9 months

where I am

since about jan-feb

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