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12:01 AM
@trichoplax It's probably worth mentioning that a vector does do bounds checking on the at method, so if you need that functionality it is available.
 
Thanks :)
 
This old site probably qualifies as a website that was poorly designed
 
wat
@GabrielBenamy What's wi h the text at the end being huge?
 
They forgot to close every <h#> tag
meaning text just gets larger and larger
 
Google self-driving car is thing now :O
 
wat
12:10 AM
@Downgoat :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
they separated from google though]
 
Though it's alphabet thing IIUC
 
I wonder how long driverless cars will continue to have wing mirrors
 
12:33 AM
48 messages moved to Coup
 
@trichoplax thanks
 
No problem
 
"trichoplax has invited you to join Coup"?
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Why?
 
It happens automatically when you move messages
 
Apparently I never had any messages moved before.
 
12:35 AM
@feersum It went to everyone who had posted in the block of messages I just moved
@feersum That sounds more revolutionary than it really is...
 
@trichoplax "trichoplax has invited you to join EZIC"
 
wat
1:03 AM
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this is probably more a question for the meta SE or SO chat rooms, but I know you guys better so I ask here first... Has anyone ever pulled stats on how much more attention and upvotes a question gets once it has a bounty? I just noticed that the day I added a bounty to my latest question it got more upvotes than in the week prior, "repaying" over 10% of the points I had put into the bounty in the first place.
 
I've seen discussion on MSE about whether deliberately placing a bounty to gain such rep should be seen as a problem
I think the consensus was that it's a gamble and people can spend their rep on it if they want to
Last 100 rep bounty I placed got me 1 extra upvote...
 
> Bumped to the homepage by Community 15 mins ago

This question has answers that may be good or bad; the system has marked it active so that they can be reviewed.
Huh?
 
Community bumps posts on all SE sites. I've never seen it announced before though - usually the question just appears on the front page as if someone had edited it, but saying "modified by Community"
 
1:15 AM
@trichoplax This time it's different though in formatting
 
Oh I see. Maybe it's because the poor question and answer both have no votes since mid September...
I've definitely never seen that before
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC did you even read the second half of the message >_<
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It was a response to that part.
 
how should i know
 
1:33 AM
@wat time cube was??
/me investigates!
oh no!
 
wat
Hey guys
Look at this
 
Why do you keep posting that?
 
wat
Erm.
Wrong short URL.
I meant dk0.us/4
they're easy to mix up
 
@zyabin101 May I request your assistance in the Coup room?
 
@wat You can avoid this confusion by not using link shorteners...
 
wat
1:40 AM
@trichoplax ...
 
1:55 AM
@Dennis Please give MATL a pull when you can
 
Pulled and pulled.
 
Thank you! FPITW as always :-)
 
:)
 
@Downgoat Why zyabin?
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC because he is russian so I can get insight onto russian politic
 
2:07 AM
nods
 
hm.. how to represent tension between countries
crap wrong chat room
 
This is such a dumb rule that exists on a ton of forums. Why would you actively tell people not to help other people who come across the thread in the future?
 
@Adnan I'm trying to understand this Oasis program: ++111. For inputs 0, 1, and 2 I get 1, because they are the base cases (input is 0-based, correct?). For input 3 I get 3, which is 1+1+1. But for input 4 I get 7. I expected 5, which is 3+1+1.
BTW is there an Oasis chatroom?
 
Anonymous
@Doorknob Because they need to perpetuate xkcd.com/979
 
@Doorknob I've argued that to the point of getting banned from a forum
 
Anonymous
2:19 AM
If you get banned from a forum for trying to help people, they're probably doing you a favor
 
@Adnan bcd++111 works as I expected. So clearly my assumption that bcd are implicit in ++111 is wrong
 
@Doorknob when Jeff Atwood blogs about the failings of forums and the benefits of discourse and stackexchange, that's a thing that comes up
 
Most necro posts aren't helpful, though, in my experience. Like, at all. Sure, the rule is treating a symptom and it could be done better, but it's not like it was just dreamed up for no reason at all.
 
@Dennis Great, Edge has the same stupid bug.
 
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Q: Simply Multiplication

u8y7541The challenge is, given the numbers 133 and 586, to return the product of these two numbers. You may not use any form of the multiplication * operator included in the language (evals and others are not allowed either). Printing the answer is not allowed in any form.

 
Anonymous
2:26 AM
On a different subject, whiskey is nice :)
 
It would be nicer if it paid me a visit from time to time.
 
Anonymous
Luckily there's stores for that :)
 
Meh. I need a delivery service. The kid's in bed ;)
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

TheBitByteBuild a perfect Tic-Tac Toe AI code-golf A perfect tic-tac-toe AI, when playing versus a human (or better phrased, playing against whatever input values were fed to the state of the game), always wins or draws, and never loses, 100% of the time. In other words, the probability that this AI will ...

 
Anonymous
@Geobits So Drizly?
 
2:32 AM
Dammit. Of course that's a thing, and of course it's not available here.
Stupid non-big-enough city.
 
Anonymous
I'm sure you could find someone on Craigslist to buy you some whiskey and deliver it
 
Anonymous
Now whether or not you want some stranger from Craigslist knowing your address... That's a different story.
 
Probably. The odds of me giving someone willing to do that my address is very low, though.
Ninja'd :/
Hmm. Found a very suspect app that should do it. But beer and snacks are the last things I think of when I hear Blaze24x7. Pretty sure this is a front >_>
 
Anonymous
@Geobits wink wink nudge nudge
 
Oh wait. Only two stores, both in Tallahassee, each with a seven mile radius. Yeah, not as helpful as I thought.
I guess I'm stuck with rum for the night then.
 
Anonymous
2:41 AM
That's not such a bad thing
 
Anonymous
Until the rum's gone
 
Well sure, but it's not good rum. Just some cheap Bacardi that I've had forever.
 
Anonymous
Even bad rum is still pretty good rum
 
Anonymous
Except for Captain Morgan pineapple rum. That stuff is disgusting.
 
Never tried it, but there's probably a reason for that.
 
Anonymous
2:48 AM
It was a gift. That person is no longer a friend of mine.
 
I certainly hope it was for that sole reason.
Their coconut stuff is pretty sickly sweet, so I can imagine pineapple being even worse.
 
Anonymous
It's not great
 
Anonymous
Palatable with some lime juice though
 
I just submitted my report, on a site with https://XXXX.github.io, with a clean theme (see pixyll.com/jekyll/pixyll/2014/06/10/see-pixyll-in-action). Most people submit it with Word or Google Docs.
 
3:01 AM
Oh wow Yahoo. They confirmed that they've lost another 1 billion sensitive customer records in an attack in the past. In addition to the previously confirmed 500 million.
 
Anonymous
Wow. I didn't realize 1 billion people used Yahoo.
 
Anonymous
Even 1,000 seems too high
 
With 1,5 B records lost, the usage of MD5 in 2013, confirmed NSA backdoors and shady marketing tactics, Yahoo might just be the worst sizable mail provider in history.
 
Anonymous
So basically Yahoo is a front
 
Hmm, maybe I can finally convince my parents to get off Yahoo for their email...
 
3:09 AM
Yahoo recently also disabled alias forwarding to lock in users and prevent easy migration off their platform.
 
Anonymous
@Doorknob "Eh? What's an em dee five?"
 
@mınxomaτ ... welp.
 
@mınxomaτ I can see why Google's motto is "Don't be evil" now.
 
@Mego Didn't know Doorknob's parents were Canadian ;-)
 
@Mego his parents are Canadian now?
 
3:10 AM
hahaha
 
Ninja, dangit
 
Soory, I thought everyone knew that.
 
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A: Do people in non-English-speaking countries code in English?

AlishahNovinI'm from Canada, but live in the States now. It took me a while to get used to writing boolean variables with an "Is" prefix, instead of the "Eh" suffix that Canadians use when programming. For example: MyObj.IsVisible MyObj.VisibleEh

 
Anonymous
I was going for the old-person-bad-at-technology thing :P
 
They'll probably tell you to avoid drugs if you start talking about hashes.
 
3:14 AM
You've got your big G's, I've got my #|
 
Is there a chat rule about abusing stars, or is it just discouraged without being set in stone?
 
Anonymous
@DanTheMan If someone is spamming stars, they will be slapped with a large trout
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@Mego Ah, makes sense to me. Thanks!
 
@Mego Size B2, specifically
 
Anonymous
If they continue to abuse stars, we bring out the sack of Doorknobs
 
3:20 AM
I mean, getting slapped with most objects would be hazardous to health. I think that trouts would be relatively safe.
 
Cake?
 
Anonymous
Alright now
 
I don't have any hard data on "trout slapping accidents" though.
 
Anonymous
Bring out the trouts
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Anonymous
3:22 AM
There is no doubt in my mind which of the users currently in chat is spamming stars. Someone pass me a trout.
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Thanks, going through each message individually to unstar them one by one is so much fun. Just love doing this.
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Actually, wikipedia has a page on getting slapped with a trout: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Whacking_with_a_wet_trout
 
You have to make a formal request:
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Anonymous
@mınxomaτ Approved in a heartbeat
 
I remember that day. Couldn't get the smell off for some time.
 
Anonymous
3:24 AM
Whale, that's what happens when you anger the mods :P
 
Let minnow when you're done
 
Anonymous
These jokes are carpy
 
The google image results for "trout slapping accidents" are unhelpful
 
Anonymous
Mods should really be able to see who placed what stars
 
Anonymous
But since that's a chat feature request, it won't be seen for 2 years, and won't be implemented for another 6-8 months after that.
 
3:29 AM
I just found troutslap.blogspot.com
It's a good read.
 
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Q: Labyrinth Polyglot

CalebIn the mysterious world of Progpuz, a world similar to ours except spoken language is in the form of what we on Earth call Programming Languages, there is an old legend: Turinius, a masterful architect, was given the task of creating a massive labyrinth that is randomly generated with a le...

 
Well, you can't see votes either, so it wouldn't make sense to see who places stars
 
The only time I see it being helpful is in the case of spamming them. But then, half the time the spammer complains about running out of stars later, giving themselves away anyway.
 
@Pavel mods totally can
 
@Mego use this eelslap.com
 
3:32 AM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Nope.
 
@Geobits .. so how are you doing with stars today geobits?
 
Anonymous
@Geobits I'd rather the mods were able to deal with the user at the time of the issue, not 1-5 hours later
 
@Doorknob yeah, was sarcasm
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

JungHwan MinPlant some binary trees, wouldn't-cha? code-golf binary-tree Inspired by A014486. Background Forests are rapidly diminishing in size today, destroying the environment, causing extinction, etc. So let's plant some (binary) trees! Challenge Given an integer input in base 10, construct a repre...

 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Me? I think I've only ever ran out of stars once. Don't remember why though.
 
3:33 AM
TIO Nexus now hosts exactly 150 programming languages. https://tio.run/nexus#get-started
 
Anonymous
I've only run out of stars a few times. Mostly on days where I had nothing to do but hang out in chat.
 
Read that as nexus#get-starred
 
Why did this end up so tiny?
 
Animated jpg. Nice
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's not how gifs work
 
3:37 AM
I just had an answer score over 50 for the first time ever. \o/
 
Which one?
 
Anonymous
I'm out of whiskey. I'm sad again.
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The keyboard ASCII art one
 
Good job
 
@DJMcMayhem \o/ \o/ \o/ congrats!
 
Anonymous
3:40 AM
Huh, I have no idea what my highest-scoring answer is
 
Anonymous
Apparently it's this one:
 
Anonymous
52
A: Fibonacci reversed!

MegoActually, 1 byte f Yes, there's a builtin for this, since November 16, 2015. Try it online For fun, without the builtin, it's 9 bytes: ╗1`F╜=`╓i Try it online! Explanation: ╗1`F╜=`╓i ╗ push input to register 0 1`F╜=`╓ push list containing first value x (starting with x = 0...

 
Anonymous
Cool, I got more upvotes for using a simple builtin than for a clever solution.
 
Mine is, ahem, code trolling... >_<
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And good job @Dennis for 150 languages, including fifty or so useful ones!
 
3:41 AM
@Mego wooow.
That looks like it was so difficult to write. :P
 
I'm not entirely sure having three different implementations of C counts.
 
Sure it does. They're all different.
 
My top answer is tied between drawing the French flag using TI-BASIC and "The Squiggly Sequence"
 
wat
hey guys
i set up my email server
please test it by sending mails to me@dk0.us
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I'll sign you up for a newsletter. Does that count?
 
3:48 AM
^
 
rip inbox
 
Brb spamming goat memes
 
@quartata Rip it like this?
 
I don't think you're allowed to rip your mailbox. AFAIK you will get fine for that
 
I think your allowed to rip your own mailbox, just not other's
 
3:57 AM
Mailboxes are federal property, vandalizing them can result into fine up to $250,000 and up to three years of prison for each mailbox vandalized
So don't abuse mailboxes
 
@wat I just signed you up on Groupon
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XD
 
wat
@Pavel erm wat
 
@wat You are now signed up for a game of Tic-Tac-Toe with me through gamesbyemail.com
 
wat
4:09 AM
@DanTheMan I saw
@Pavel why
 
You wanted us to test your e-mail server
 
wat
OK, sure I guess...
I have an antispam thing installed
 
So you don't have any e-mails from groupon yet?
 
OK this is a valuable lesson but let's not go overboard
 
wat
I do, one
spamassassin seems to be doing its job so far
 
4:11 AM
@wat You don't have graylisting?
shouldn't have gotten one that fast if you do
 
wat
It is the initial "confirmed subscription" email
 
@wat Are you not going to make a move?
 
Well, now you know what city I live in.
 
wat
@Pavel hey, I live near that city too
cool
 
4:14 AM
You can watch the tic-tac-toe game at gamesbyemail.com/Games/Play?407087431
 
Redmond actually, Groupon doesn't go that specific
 
wat
I like this gem in the Groupon email:
> X-Recruiting: Interested in headers? Join us: www.groupon.com/techjobs/
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I saw the flag. However, I think the comments provide context wrt why the question was closed. I'd prefer to leave them untouched until it has been reopened.
 
4:49 AM
Random Question: if one mod sees and handles a flag, do other mods also see it or is it like review queues where it is marked as conpleted
 
I'm three rep away from "established user"
 
-_-
 
@Pavel Isn't that against the rules?
 
Anonymous
@Pavel Sure. That's the one that points down, right?
 
@Downgoat Dismissed flags disappear.
But there's a history, like the one the review queues have.
 
5:34 AM
@MartinEnder you are the #2 top network asker according to stackexchange.com
congrats xD
 
0_0 in ten hours I'm going to have my own apartment
I'm equally excited and nervous
 
Anonymous
@DJMcMayhem Congratz!
 
Anonymous
The first thing you should do is get a cat. The second thing you should do is get a hat.
 
Ugh, then I have to deal with the pet fee
And my own allergies
 
also probably get food
 
5:44 AM
That too. I'm not used to buying my own food so it would be best to keep the number of creatures I need to feed down to one
 
@DJMcMayhem nice. Why 10 hours?
you should make popcorn with you new kitchen.
 
Cause it's night time here?
 
Lol. Popcorn does sound good though
 
well I mean, its easy to make. Unless you don't have a microwave, then its VERY hard to make.
I made it on a stove once.
I got burnt :(
badly.
 
5:50 AM
Popcorn is pretty easy in a pan.
 
@mınxomaτ a bunch of oil flies up and hits you.
 
It is however very hard to make in a toaster.
@AshwinGupta Dunno, I think that's what lids are for.
 
@mınxomaτ this I'd agree. Isn't it funny how a microwave, toaster, and stove all have the same intended affect but all have completely different cooking styles.
@mınxomaτ well yeah thats probably smart. I made it in a fry-pan though, not a pot.
 
@mınxomaτ that's a wonderful mental image
 
Fry pans have lids.
 
5:52 AM
well, idk, I'm an idiot =/
 
Any solid surface can act as a lid. Did you really just stand there getting splashed with oil and not thinking of using anything as a lid?
 
well actually I was 10 years old. So yes pretty much. And also I only got splashed once.
 
Anonymous
@AshwinGupta Yak shaving
 
@Mego ;)
@mınxomaτ I ran away after I got splashed. It was a pretty big splash. On my nose to. Honestly, I don't know why my parents let me make popcorn.
 
@AshwinGupta To toughen you up for the popcorn wars.
 
5:55 AM
@AshwinGupta is that self-nerd-sniping?
 
@DJMcMayhem ofc, thats the most common type of nerd-sniping.
@DanTheMan yes the real question: butterside-up or butterside down?
 
Mythbusters tested that. Butter-side down
 
ah thats messed up =/
I can think of at least 3 reasons why it should be butterside up
 
Hello!
I have a chat game idea
 
wat
I have my own Wikipedia page!
A wat (Thai: วัด wat Lao: ວັດ vad, Khmer: វត្ត wōat) is a Buddhist temple in Thailand, Cambodia or Laos. The term is borrowed from Pali vatta, "which goes on or is customary, i. e. duty, service, custom, function". == Introduction == Strictly speaking a wat is a Buddhist sacred precinct with a vihara (quarters for bhikkhus), a temple, an edifice housing a large image of Buddha and a structure for lessons. A site without a minimum of three resident bhikkhus cannot correctly be described as a wat although the term is frequently used more loosely, even for ruins of ancient temples. As a transitive...
 
6:03 AM
@Qwerp-Derp go on...
 
Ummm it goes like this
 
wat
CMC: write a C compiler
 
Three players take turns as 1, 2 and 3 respectively
The first player places a token on the middle of an infinite playing board in all directions
The second player can place their token directly up, down, left or right of the previous token
Thats how you place tokens btw, you have to place the adjacent to the previous token
So the players keep placing tokens
 
wow, sounds amazing
 
The first player to place 4 tokens in a row horizontally, vertically or diagonally wins
If the tokens have spaces between them like this: 1213131
Then that counts as four in a row as well
But the tokens have to be equally spaced
 
wat
6:08 AM
 
So no 122131221
 
wat
credit goes to /r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
 
That doesn't coubt
 
@Qwerp-Derp 112131?
 
That doesn't count either
Cause there isn't a token between the first 2 1's
Also spaces count as well for the between thing
This is on a square grid btw
Who wants to play? I can't play because mobile
 
6:19 AM
ehh
 
wat
 
@wat radians Fahrenheit or Celsius?
 
wat
@DJMcMayhem no idea
 
6:37 AM
They also needed 3 years to come to the conclusion that they can't figure out who was behind either hack.
 
@DJMcMayhem Kelvin
 
Wow. I still have since accounts that use yahoo mail
 
#Yahoo manages the biggest IT fuckup in history. I think "pulling a Yahoo" will be the new "pulling a Ratner".
 
imagine if people in the past were like people now about tech innovations
 
Anonymous
6:55 AM
@mınxomaτ Wow. It takes a whole lot of stupid to screw up that badly
 
7:14 AM
Oh hey, I just remembered an obscure V feature I have never used before can save two bytes!
 
7:54 AM
yay!
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

ZgarbArray alignment addition code-golf array-manipulation Introduction Consider two non-empty integer arrays, say A = [0 3 2 2 8 4] and B = [7 8 7 2]. To perform alignment addition on them, we do the following: Repeat each array enough times to have total length lcm(length(A), length(B)). Here...

 
 
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9:28 AM
@LuisMendo The first time it adds two numbers, it calculates a(n-1) and a(n-2) as input. The second time it adds two numbers, it only calculates a(n-1). So, the formula it calculates is a(n) = a(n-1) + a(n-2) + a(n-1).
@LuisMendo That means that +d+111 should work.
@LuisMendo This chatroom is also for Oasis :)
 
10:02 AM
@Adnan Thanks! Moving to that room then
 
10:25 AM
hi all
 
10:53 AM
I'm so tired of seeing challengess that specify that the output should be "random" (as if that meant a thing) that I wrote this as a thing to avoid when writing challenges. Let me know if I can word it any better
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A: Things to avoid when writing challenges

Luis MendoSaying you should produce one or several outputs randomly without further specification One random output Say someone writes a challenge about generating a labyrinth contained in a rectangle of specified size, and they say that you should create a randomly arranged labyrinth with the specified ...

 
Anonymous
@LuisMendo I think we would benefit from a default that specifies that "random" means "uniformly-distributed". In fact, we may already have that default.
 
11:13 AM
@betseg Okay, so I'm going to add TIO Ne×us links to YADFPL and I've got no person to request review from.
 
@LuisMendo I like the wording. One other thing that sometimes comes up is whether you can assume that your language's standard random number generator is uniform. A lot of answers are invalid without this assumption, but I'm guessing most challenge writers don't intend for answers to make their own RNG. Not sure if we have a default for that somewhere
 
11:39 AM
> This is because it returns 0 for no error or 1 for error. This function also takes no arguments, hence the emptiness inside the parentheses.
Not guaranteed
 
@betseg You can contribute this info, then! :D
Also, I want you to join us.
 
@trichoplax Thanks. That's a good point, although I think it's unrelated to my post. Anyway, I think it's safe to assume the default RNG is uniform. I doubt a RNG written by the answerer can be made more uniform than that
 
Depends on the language, and the implementation (some C++ compilers only use 32768 possible values). But I agree assuming they are uniform is what nearly every challenge writer will intend. I'll have a look through meta for a default
 
@Mego I think most new challenge writers don't actually mean uniform randomness when they say "random", if the random object is even moderately complex. But in those cases it should really be said explicitly.
 
@betseg I want you to join us.
 
11:51 AM
Nah m8 im good
 
Anonymous
@Zgarb Really? it seems to be a sensible default to me. Do you have an example of when a new challenge writer might not mean uniform?
 
@betseg But I need a reviewer with write access to the repo. =/
 
@Mego I'll see if I can find one.
 
I get the impression some challenges want uniform, some don't care either way, and some explicitly exclude uniform. I think it's varied enough that it needs to be specified each time
We have some infinite range random challenges, that can't be uniform for that reason.
I also recall there being quite a few that state "must have a non-zero probability of each outcome" to indicate that uniform is not necessary
I made a random challenge myself that required all the probabilities to be distinct.
 
Many challenges like this probably mean "not necessarily uniform because that's hard, but 'random enough'".
Nonzero probability for each valid output is what I would use.
 
Anonymous
12:00 PM
Well, assuming built-in RNG is uniform is close enough for most purposes
 
Anonymous
And thus shuffle(range(1,R))[:N] would be a viable solution
 
Hmm okay, that was a bad example since the obvious solution gives a uniform distribution.
 
I couldn't find a default on meta to say that the standard PRNG can be assumed uniform. Maybe I'm just remembering a comment so it's not searchable. Seems like we could do with that default so that challenge authors have to override it if they want custom RNGs
Find a random point on a disk is one that often throws up non-uniform solutions even using a uniform RNG. Not sure if we've had that on PPCG
 
The beer glass must contain 1-5 randomly placed bubbles.
The obvious solution is to take a random number between 1 and 5, and randomly place that many bubbles, but that's not uniform.
 
We do have random points on a disk. It requires uniformity, which rules out approaches like choosing a random radius and angle uniformly.
 
Anonymous
12:08 PM
Well, Mersenne Twister is uniform for all 32-bit integers (except 0 appears one less time than all others in a cycle)
 
I'd like to see a default of "you can assume your standard RNG is uniform", but for the requirement for uniformity of output to be the responsibility of the challenge author to specify one way or another
 
hallo
 
@TuxCopter hallo
no news
well, except a Goat's Bleet poll
 
12:30 PM
Hello?
 
No.
 
So what do you guys think of my game thing
 
12:52 PM
@Qwerp-Derp Yes. Hello.
@Qwerp-Derp Gimme a recap.
 
1:34 PM
Fudge in a bucket, it's cold out.
 
The weather is nice here. 3° C and not too dry.
 
-9°F (-23°C) plus windchill
 
I've been thinking: isn't hashCode() somewhat a case of cross-cutting concerns? Say you have a BankAccount object. Do you hash it based on account number? Or do you hash it based on the user? It seems to me that determining the "uniqueness" of an object depends on the person putting them into sets
 
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A: Standard definitions of terms within specifications

Doorknob"random" The term "random" means that you may: Use your language's built-in random number generator, Use /dev/random, or Create a RNG that is equivalent to a standard RNG (such as the Mersenne Twister).

 
> // Nothing special here, just numbers generated by bashing keyboard
@Geobits That doesn't say anything about the probability distribution, which is where I think the argument was centered.
 
To me it says if the challenge author says nothing but "random", using your standard RNG is just fine. So like you said, if the author wants to be more specific that's fine, but we already have a sensible default.
So if the challenge says "output a random number between 1 and 100", that's different than "output an exactly uniformly distributed random number between 1 and 100".
 
Oh, so if uniformity isn't specified, using your languages PRNG is considered sufficiently uniform?
 
I see a loophole coming. "Creating a language with a crappy PRNG just to get around our definition of random."
 
1:59 PM
@TimmyD It has been de facto.
 
@Rainbolt I see downvotes coming :P
 

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