The Nineteenth Byte

betseg

09:01

Halp to golf return!(k%11)&k&(l>7)&(l<10);?

Martin Ender

!(k%11&&k&&l>7&&l<10) ?

uh wait

!(k%11)&k&&l>7&&l<10

that doesn't work though

because k might be even

so you'd need !(k%11)&&k&&l>7&&l<10 (still a byte shorter)

betseg

Oh thanks

Martin Ender

Also I think you can reduce the two comparisons to l^8<2

yeah that should work

betseg

I knew some bit magic could be done but I wasn't sure how, thanks!

Martin Ender

same byte count, more fun: l^8<2*!(k%11)*!!k

betseg

09:11

Woah looks straight from a golfing lang

Martin Ender

haha

Destructible Watermelon

yo

betseg

@MartinEnder actually, I can remove the !! and say "returns 0 if invalid, something else if valid"

Qwerp-Derp

09:27

Ummm I have a challenge idea

Destructible Watermelon

yus

Qwerp-Derp

It's kinda a mix of cops-and-robbers and answer-chaining

Destructible Watermelon

hmmm?

Qwerp-Derp

So the first program prints the target language

So a valid program is print"Python"

For the second program, you must make another program that outputs to STDOUT the language name

But you must use at least 1/2 of the characters

(You can change characters around if you want)

And you get extra characters to place

Actually it should print a number instead, makes the challenge easier

The cops-and-robbers portion is that the cop must have a sub-optimal solution to replace chars, and an optimal solution

If the robber can golf the cop's solution, then the robber wins the difference in code length

The cops winner is the first person to have a safe submission in a week

And to make a new answer, someone must crack the old one

The cop must reveal their answer upon the code being cracked or their submission being safe

So yup that's the challenge

Martin Ender

@betseg no you can't, because a non-zero value would change the 2 to something larger and therefore allow lengths other than 8 or 9.

betseg

09:36

I know, i noticed after it's too late to remove message

Qwerp-Derp

Hang on @MartinEnder how long have you been mod "pro tempore" for Computer Graphics?

That's a long absence

Martin Ender

absence?

Qwerp-Derp

abcense

Martin Ender

ummm?

Qwerp-Derp

Doesn't pro tempore mean you're filling in for someone?

Martin Ender

09:37

I don't know what you mean, but I've been a mod since the site left private beta, which was a bit over a year ago

No it doesn't. It just means I'm a non-elected beta moderator.

Qwerp-Derp

Pro tempore

Pro tempore (/ˌproʊ ˈtɛmpəri/, /ˌproʊ ˈtɛmpərɛ/ or /ˌproʊ ˈtɛmpəreɪ/), abbreviated pro tem or p.t., is a Latin phrase which best translates to "for the time being" in English. This phrase is often used to describe a person who acts as a locum tenens (placeholder) in the absence of a superior, such as the President pro tempore of the United States Senate, who acts in place of the President of the United States Senate, the Vice President of the United States. Legislative bodies can have one or more pro tempore for the presiding officer. These positions ostensibly go to legislators experienced in...

Oh I didn't read "often used" :p

Martin Ender

Well, in a way that's what it means though.

The pro tempore moderators are in place until actual elections are held (which don't make sense when a site is first created).

Qwerp-Derp

Oh

So what d'you people think of the challenge?

Martin Ender

hm, not sure whether it adds anything interesting that you don't get from a plain CnR or answer-chaining challenge.

Lembik

10:33

@Dennis Is your permanent code for Ryser's algorithm or Glynn's?

Sherlock9

@Mego Well, that's kind of a depressing mix-up :')

Lembik

hi @MartinEnder

Sherlock9

Just being mixed up with someone you frequently argue with, not specifically Nathan

Destructible Watermelon

hi

Sherlock9

Hello

I've just gotten a ridiculous error message

>>> def coin_simulation(num_iter=100):
	prizes = []
	for I in range(num_iter):
		prize_pot = 1
		while True:
			if random.random() >= 0.5:
				prize_pot *= 2
			else:
				prizes.sppend(prize_pot)
				break
	return prizes

>>> coin_simulation()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<pyshell#11>", line 1, in <module>
    coin_simulation()
  File "<pyshell#10>", line 9, in coin_simulation
    prizes.sppend(prize_pot)
AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'sppend'

Sorry about the tabs. IDLE shell uses tabs instead of spaces for some reason

betseg

10:45

Typo? Did you mean to write spend?

Destructible Watermelon

append

Sherlock9

Blind bleeping nutcase I am :D

Should have actually read that

Nah, didn't see the typo cause I'm blind and prideful

Fixing now. Thanks

Well, s's also look a little like a's in that font

betseg

@Sherlock9 you should change your font

Sherlock9

Okay. From Courier New to what do you suggest?

Ooh Lucida Console is interesting

Destructible Watermelon

hi

betseg

10:50

@Sherlock9 fontsquirrel.com/fonts/list/classification/monospaced

Sherlock9

On second thought, I'm not entirely sure a new font will help. I think my eyes are just tired

It's not even 6 pm though

I stand corrected. DejaVu Sans Mono, which is what Spyder uses, is a bit better

Jarko Dubbeldam

Just code in comic sans, what's the worst that could happen?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Variable-Prices income! code-golf math Introduction and credit Assume you're a bartender. You have many happy people in your bar at most times, but many only ever drink the very same drink and too few for your taste and you want to change that. So you introduce a system where the price of a ...

Sherlock9

11:05

>_< I know well enough to be coding in monospace fonts, for a start

Oh yeah, I've got a neat idea to Sandbox. Brb

Jarko Dubbeldam

Hmm, SE pages are randomly freezing for me :S

Zacharee1

@Downgoat

Jarko Dubbeldam

11:21

why are there so many goats in texas?

Zacharee1

The default answer is that it's Texas

betseg

Halp why printf("%d",2^2<2); prints 2

Martin Ender

I assume < has higher precedence?

en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/operator_precedence

SEJPM

which would mean it's 2^(2<2) <=> 2^0 <=> 2

Martin Ender

that's too bad

betseg

11:31

@MartinEnder so your code was wrong ;_;

Martin Ender

sorry :|

it's still shorter to insert parentheses though

betseg

ik

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Volumes of ASCII cuboids code-golf ascii-art geometry Introduction In this challenge, you are given as input the ASCII representation of the net of a rectangular cuboid. The format is this: ....+--+....... ....|##|....... ....|##|....... ....|##|....... +---+--+---+--+ |###|##|###|##| +---+...

TuxCopter

HALLO

betseg

11:48

Calm down m8

TuxCopter

NO

Conor O'Brien

12:06

@Dennis isn't that piped through STDIN? if so, how does that get eval'd without any code?

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Q: Interleave strings

Inspiration.* I cannot believe we have not had this challenge before: Task Given one or more printable ASCII strings, interleave them by taking one character from each string, cyclically until out of characters. If a string runs out of characters before the others, just skip that one from then ...

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Print the missing primes number primes code-golf The Task Write a program or function that, when passed a numerical input x, prints or returns the primes beneath the square root of x1 that are not factors of x. Examples Let f(x) be the function called: >>> f(5) [2] >>> f(20) [3] >>> f(1...

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-2

Q: In Python (Any 3.x or 2.x) make a programme to take LCM of n input numbers simultaneously

Do it anyway just not idiotic , The winner would be one who : Do it(of course) Do it short Functions can be used but not just a single line code would be appreciated For Rest thought~~Yes,It is accepted

code-golf code-challenge python

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Reverse the periodic and non-periodic parts of a decimal rational number (alt titles: Reverse a decimal rational number; Swap the ...) In every decimal representation of a rational number p/q, you have periodic tail and a non-periodic head. Some examples include: 1/70 = 0.0142857... = (0.0)(14...

TuxCopter

-1

A: Is it legal to mortgage a property twice or more?

Do you mean sausage? I think it is legal to (eat) sausage twice.

4

lol?

mınxomaτ

Why does this have so many reopen votes? It wasn't changed since it was locked and suffers from arbitrary restrictions. Plus the answer should be deleted as it is invalid.

Rainbolt

13:54

@TuxCopter Wow. That made my day.

TuxCopter

Sausage is not only a way of thinking but also of doing — SausageKingNewZealand 1 hour ago

dat name too

Gabriel Benamy

14:06

this question seems awfully like someone trying to get our SSH keys

hmm I wonder if Dennis will add API support for TIO eventually

Poke

@GabrielBenamy the public key? i don't see the problem

@GabrielBenamy downgoat is using something to integrate with tio

vihan.org/p/tioclient

Gabriel Benamy

That's not what I mean, I mean "I wonder if I can encode my program + arguments + input in base64 encoding, pass it to TIO via an API call POST request, and get back the output"

Geobits

Better scrape for now >_>

Gabriel Benamy

I figured as much

Poke

14:28

@GabrielBenamy ..? When you hit run it POSTs to backend.tryitonline.net/run

Gabriel Benamy

I did not realize this

Poke

i don't know if it's using base64 for data transfer though

Gabriel Benamy

the actual method of data transfer is less important than that it can be done

Geobits

"paste this code to add TIO to your page!"

TimmyD

<a href="http://tio.run">TIO</a>

Geobits

14:33

:/

No no no. It needs to be an inline box. Hopefully looking like something you'd see on a geocities page.

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Sum of Modulo Sums code-golf math number-theory Given an integer n > 9, for each possible insertion between digits in that integer, insert an addition + and evaluate. Then, take the original number modulo those results. Output the cumulative sum of these operations. An example with n = 47852: ...

Downgoat

@Zacharee1 brb moving to Texas

Geobits

How can it be literally every goat if a dot is 500 goats?

That makes no damned sense.

Martin Ender

@TimmyD funny sequence

TimmyD

@MartinEnder For the sum of modulo sums? Yeah, I was playing around with it some last night and half-convinced myself there was a pattern, but your plot seems to suggest it devolves into chaos pretty rapidly.

@Geobits <blink><a href="http://tio.run">TIO</a></blink>

Kritixi Lithos

14:41

I just had my Humanities Exam and there was some guy named "B.F. Long" in it, so I wrote a BF program under his name: ++++++.[->+++++++++++<]>.

Geobits

@TimmyD Much better. Not exactly what I was looking for, but much closer.

Nathan Merrill

I just had an idea for a language construct: Consider a scoped section of code where variables are read as they existed at the start of the scope, but they can be assigned, and they are assigned at the end of the scope.

the trivial example is:

Martin Ender

@TimmyD interestingly it's not entirely chaotic :)

Nathan Merrill

 a = 1
 b = 2
 scope {
     a = b
     b = a
 }

Rainbolt

var x = 2;
{
x = 3;
print(x); // prints 2?
}
print(x); // prints 3?

Nathan Merrill

14:43

2

assignment of the variables occurs at the end of the scope

Geobits

That seems fairly counterintuitive.

Rainbolt

Right, so x=3 occurs at the end of the scope

TuxCopter

@Geobits <h1><blink><a href="http://tio.run">TIO</a></blink></h1>

Rainbolt

Which my example shows

Nathan Merrill

its basically saying "don't commit these changes until the end"

TimmyD

14:44

@TuxCopter Not sure if the broken a link was intentional or typo'd ... Given that we're emulating GeoCities in 1999, it could have been either.

Rainbolt

What happens if you assign multiple times? @NathanMerrill

Sherlock9

@MartinEnder What happens when the x-axis is logarithmic?

Nathan Merrill

the latter value

TuxCopter

tio.run without http link to a page on the same domain, so I think even the worst Geocities page can't have this

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill do you have a good example other than swap assignment?

TuxCopter

14:45

But we're talking about Geocities, so idk

Geobits

@TimmyD I was going for a more '96ish feel, but '99 is okay too.

Rainbolt

Oh I have a good one for you. What happens if the last assignment is to itself?
var x = 2;
{
x = 3;
x = 4;
x = x;
}
print(x); // prints what?

Martin Ender

Geobits

I'd hope 4

Rainbolt

The last assignment was technically x = 2 right? because x was 2 at that point

Nathan Merrill

14:47

@Rainbolt true

Geobits

If it runs through assigning in order of scoped assignment, it should be 4

If it just finds the latest assignment, that's something else.

Martin Ender

@Geobits the point is that x doesn't actually change until the }.

Nathan Merrill

it definitely be 2

Rainbolt

This reminds me of learning variable hoisting in JavaScript. It should never have been a thing.

Geobits

@MartinEnder Right, but how does it know what to change to? It has to look through the scoped area in some way to see, so the value will be different depending on that.

Martin Ender

14:49

@Geobits I think what it does is for each variable x it introduces a temporary variable _x. on the LHS of assignments, all xs get replaced by _x and at the } there's an implicit x = _x

Geobits

So then it would be 4, no?

Sp3000

Seems like it'd depend on what compiler optimisations you have on?

Nathan Merrill

working on an example for you martin :)

Geobits

I'd still like to see a useful example :P

Rainbolt

The rule is that the assignment happens at the end of the scope. We need to know if the value being assigned is also determined at the end of the scope or not.

It's really up to Nathan who is god of this language

Martin Ender

14:50

var x = 2;
{
    var _x;
    _x = 3;
    _x = 4;
    _x = x;
    x = _x;
}
print(x)

@Geobits Rainbolt's example would compile to this ^

Geobits

Ah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, assuming it works that way ;)

Rainbolt

Well Geobits if you want to prove that you are right you have to write a compiler that does it your way.

Obviously.

I went up 300 SR in the last two days of playing Overwatch.

Nathan Merrill

addTax {
	if payment == 0
		break
	if payment < 500
		payment *= 1.2
	if payment < 50
		payment *= 1.1
	# and so on
}

TimmyD

@Rainbolt PC or console?

Rainbolt

PC

Geobits

14:52

Meh. The other way would be to run back through the scoped code again in order, making assignments (so no tmp variable). Not a very smart way to do it, but...

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill is it intentional that values below 50 get multiplied by 1.1*1.2?

Nathan Merrill

oh, that was in reverse order

TimmyD

@Rainbolt Neat. You, DJMcWhateverHisNameIsNow, and I should get together and play. He and I were discussing it the other day.

Geobits

@NathanMerrill Isn't that solved easier (imo) with if/else?

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem ^^ I think that's a name change request

9

Nathan Merrill

14:54

hmm...that actually works without the scoe

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill also your reordering didn't do anything, since payment remains unchanged between the two ifs.

Nathan Merrill

addTax {
	if payment == 0
		break
	if payment > 50
		payment *= 1.1
	if payment > 500
		payment *= 1.2
	# and so on
}

that's better

the problem was the "less than"

anyways, I agree that if/else would likely be better

Geobits

Or you could use breaks or returns in each.

Rainbolt

@TimmyD @DJMcMayhem My bnet tag is MapleSyrup#1506

Nathan Merrill

it'd be much more useful in a loop (as you could mutate things multiple times)

Rainbolt

14:57

I had fun playing Minecraft with a bunch of code golfers. An FPS will be a different experience but probably still fun.

Nathan Merrill

but even then, you could just break out of the loop

Geobits

@Rainbolt I thought you were Texan. Is there a Texas in Canada, too? :P

Nathan Merrill

actually, this is rather similar to python's (a,b) = (b,a). It basically delays the assignment of a and b until it evaluates them

it doesn't allow for multi-line assignment (and repeated assignment)

Rainbolt

@Geobits Not Canadian, and neither are my friends Mooseman or Torontonian, whom I love playing with

obarakon

@ETHproductions Thanks for the reply! I really like your work, I'm learning a lot of JS through your posts on codegolf. I didn't know I could wrap regex /regex/.

TimmyD

15:00

@Rainbolt Sweet. Neither of us could remember our #### the other day - hah. I'm AdmBorkBork, so expect a friend request likely tomorrow.

Geobits

@NathanMerrill Don't most assignment operators do that? As I understood it, the RHS is almost always evaluated before assignment.

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits yep, its just that python allows for tuple unpacking

Geobits

(and I only say "almost" because I just know there's some language out there that does it differently for no good reason)

Nathan Merrill

meaning that you can assign to multiple variables with all of them being evaluated first

Geobits

Yeah. That's one of the nice things about python. Now if they'd get their act together about the whole whitespace thing...

Nathan Merrill

15:06

which is actually a different solution to my above problem: payment = (payment > 500? payment * 1.1 : payment * 1.2)

which, obviously could be simplified, but you get the point

obarakon

@ETHproductions Also, can I leave the assignment off all future functions?

Gabriel Benamy

@Dennis the TIO COW interpreter seems to misbehave on the Moo command

Kade

Hm, someone has gone through and downvoted three of my answers in a row and I'm not sure why..

Gabriel Benamy

15:23

Crap, I missed something in the original spec of this problem...

Now I have to delete my beautiful COW algorithm

DJMcMayhem

@MartinEnder hahaha, idk I just recovered from moylex

@Rainbolt OK, cool I'll go add you. My tag is djmcmayhem but I don't remember the freaking number

Rainbolt

Since neither of you remember your number, I can bring you together after you add me :)

DJMcMayhem

Or I could just go figure it out

Gabriel Benamy

15:42

should I submit an issue to a 5-year-old github repository

TimmyD

This seems like it might make for an interesting challenge, if someone wants to take it up.

Sherlock9

Hey guys, any input on my Sandbox post?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I like it!

good to go main I think

DJMcMayhem

@TimmyD I've added rainbolt, my ID is DJMcMayhem#1360

TimmyD

Neat.

Gabriel Benamy

15:53

wow this sucks

trichoplax

@GabrielBenamy Do you mean created 5 years ago or untouched for 5 years?

Gabriel Benamy

@trichoplax both

but I figured out what was going on (I think)

The Moo command is very finnicky and I'm positive it's complete BS

Fatalize

Check if the guy that created the repo is still active on Github

trichoplax

No reason why you shouldn't, but it sounds like you've already guessed the probability of response is low...

Gabriel Benamy

If current memory block has a 0 in it, read a single ASCII character from STDIN and store it in the current memory block. If the current memory block is not 0, then print the ASCII character that corresponds to the value in the current memory block to STDOUT.

Geobits

15:55

@GabrielBenamy BS sounds fitting for COW

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Q: Make a number Fouriest

The problem is taken from this comic: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2874 Your program must convert a number to the smallest base system in which it has the most fours in it's digit sequence. Shortest code wins! Function entries are allowed provided that the function prints the base in which ...

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trichoplax

@GabrielBenamy If you get no response after a while, you can go ahead and fork instead.

Plus what Fatalize said...

Gabriel Benamy

@trichoplax But in doing that, I change the interpreter and so it's not valid for challenges older than my fork

trichoplax

@GabrielBenamy That applies whether you fork or the original repo gets updated

If a change is made, you'll only be able to compete in older challenges using the older version of the interpreter

Gabriel Benamy

Literally my only option at this point for the binary-to-decimal conversion is to read in a massive integer (believe me, when you can only operate via adding 1 or subtracting 1, 1000000 is massive) and manually divide it

because I think I just figured out how to use the Moo command... and it gobbles an entire line, meaning you can't read one character at a time, it just reads the first character on a line and discards the rest..................

so you have to separate your inputs on separate lines, but the problem spec says you can't separate your input

trichoplax

16:01

Sounds like this challenge isn't suited to this language (or vice versa)

Gabriel Benamy

I mean yeah, but I came up with a beautiful solution using only 177 bytes, assuming I could separate the characters, posted it with an explanation chart and everything, and then had to delete it 30 seconds later because I realized it didn't fit the spec

trichoplax

If you just want the fun of solving the underlying challenge, you can ignore the input requirements and just not post it to PPCG. If you want to post to PPCG, sounds like you'll need to double check the input requirements of future challenges before starting work, to avoid disappointment

Must be pretty frustrating though...

Gabriel Benamy

I like the dichotomy of Perl vs COW
Perl is a non-esoteric language and usually wins among non-esoteric languages
COW is an esoteric language and usually has the highest byte count among esoteric languages

Sherlock9

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Thanks :D I only posted it 3 hours ago, though, so I'm going to let it ferment a little longer while I go look for some very late dinner

DJMcMayhem

Oy. It's -18C right now. (0f)

Nathan Merrill

16:23

I feel like this isn't an original idea, but I don't know the term for it. In essence, you create a "Live" variable, such as a = LiveBool(true). Then, if you were to do b = !a and a.set(false), then b would be true. You could do similar things with integers, and so forth

Geobits

Pointer?

Not exactly, but...

More like a function that uses a pointer to a.

ven

it works better the "other way around".

var a = true; var b = function () { return !a; }. :P

DJMcMayhem

@NathanMerrill what applications would that have?

ven

or c# properties, pretty much the same as well.

Geobits

I really should get around to installing Java again.

ven

16:27

O.o

put down the java, @Geobits. we can get through this together.

Geobits

You can pry my java out of my mug-warmed, dead hands.

2

DJMcMayhem

I'm pretty sure geobits has mastered the art of the star-bait

4

trichoplax

Did you uninstall Java, or is it just that you haven't reinstalled it after your computer problems?

betseg

Font Awesome 5 is funded $1M

Nathan Merrill

@DJMcMayhem its basically is a auto-updating variable. Consider a large equation that takes lots of values. You could easily change one of the inputs and it would automatically update to the result

Poke

16:30

@Geobits It runs on 3 billion devices, you know

like credit cards

Nathan Merrill

it'd be super useful for guis, as you could simply assign things, and they would magically update

Geobits

@trichoplax Haven't reinstalled yet. Been really lazy this week.

DJMcMayhem

Qt does stuff similar to that, except the idea is slightly different

Poke

Geobits

@NathanMerrill But isn't that essentially a function?

trichoplax

16:32

Thanks to Geobits, it's down to 2,999,999,999 devices

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits yes. Its simply the syntax that is different

ven

@NathanMerrill you don't need that, though

Nathan Merrill

really? Having GUIs automatically show the state of stuff is one of the most performed task when dealing with them

quartata

@NathanMerrill Pytek has something similar to this

Nathan Merrill

why do you think there are a gazillion JS frameworks that do variable binding

quartata

16:34

variable <: expression

Nathan Merrill

so a <: b + c; b += 1, a would be larger than 1?

ven

@NathanMerrill yes but observables/watchers are unrelated to "variables with inverses"

you can also say it's a proxy that delegates all its operations to two variables

quartata

@NathanMerrill Yes

Nathan Merrill

@ven I wasn't intending that the only variable type was boolean

I was just using it as an example

quartata

Equivalent to a = \() { b + c } (a = lambda: b + c in Python)

Nathan Merrill

16:37

so, the value is lazy

quartata

Basically.

Nathan Merrill

I was more thinking of something that was push, not pull

what's the opposite of lazy?

Geobits

Ah, for expensive operations?

quartata

Eager

But that's just regular =

But the point is that whenever b changes a changes too

It isn't just lazy evaluation per se

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Q: Please release me!

As code-golfers, we're not used to releasing (surely). We're gonna need a few tools to help us do that. Of course, to help marketing a new release, we need a nice and shiny Release Version. Who doesn't get excited when they hear about version 3.0.0? Task Your task will be to write a program/ro...

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Geobits

16:38

So you want some sort of watcher on b that runs and updates a only once, rather than evaluating it each time a is used?

Nathan Merrill

well, every time you access the value of a, you have to recalculate

@Geobits exactly

both would be useful

trichoplax

Do you want an almost-lazy value, that doesn't do the work immediately, but has it all done before next time you access the value?

Geobits

Or one that does the work when it's accessed only the first time after a change?

Nathan Merrill

it largely depends as to what operations are more common. If you are changing the underlying values a lot, then you'd want it to be a lambda. If you are accessing the final variable a lot, then you'd want it to be push-based

TimmyD

@DJMcMayhem You could say he's the ma-star?

Nathan Merrill

16:42

I don't really want to bring the debate in here, but:

No, you just disagree that it's happening. The post that kicked this off was (imo) exactly the showoffy type of thing designed to attract "cool" votes that I don't want to see, clever or not. — Geobits 8 mins ago

@Geobits did you mean that you don't want to see the cool votes, or the post itself?

I'm assuming the latter, but I wanted to clarify

Geobits

Both, because the post is going to attract those votes, no matter how much people may discourage it.

Nathan Merrill

sure, but fundamentally, you really aren't interested in reading such posts?

Geobits

On a blog or something, sure. There are lots of places that would fit that sort of thing.

Rainbolt

"don't want to see" here (missing word)

Geobits

Fair enough. I thought that was implied, but I'll add it if the timer hasn't run out.

Oh, 11 mins ago :(

quartata

16:45

@NathanMerrill Well, not access. Just modify.

You should probably let the interpreter worry about that one though :P

Nathan Merrill

ok. I still think my argument holds. I think you prefer keeping the purity of the site, while I prefer increasing the cleverness of the site. That said, it appears that the majority of the people agree with you, so I won't pursue it :)

Gabriel Benamy

Nice challenge, @ven

ven

@GabrielBenamy thanks! it's my first.

Gabriel Benamy

One day I'll learn Perl6

ven

you should! it's amazing.

trichoplax

16:49

If someone carves a granite unicorn over 15 years using only their fingernails, I'm impressed and I definitely want to see it, but I don't want to see it in a woodwork competition. There are other places.

Nathan Merrill

also, even though I disagree with Dennis' post, I think tuskiomi's post was poorly argued (I downvoted it as well). I think its a good example why people should post what they agree with and not play the devil's advocate

Geobits

@NathanMerrill I'd be interested to see a good counterargument posted as a full answer, whether I agree with it or not.

trichoplax

I'll second that

Nathan Merrill

I've mostly put it all in the comments

trichoplax

It would still be good to have it all in a central place for voting and further comments

Nathan Merrill

16:52

true, I'm writing one up

mbomb007

Something like 15 hours of work to create this answer

But finally, I completed it.

Maybe later, I'll share what my first attempt was starting to look like. It was ugly.

Nathan Merrill

bah, as I'm writing this post, I'm arguing myself out

mbomb007

@Geobits What do you mean? Use brackets?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Sherlock9 lol have fun

Nathan Merrill

is there a different way I can say "maximize/minimize your score"

trichoplax

16:58

optimise?

Nathan Merrill

oh, that's what I'm looking for

thanks

trichoplax

:)

mbomb007

@NathanMerrill minmax

trichoplax

That might get confused with:

Minimax

Minimax (sometimes MinMax or MM) is a decision rule used in decision theory, game theory, statistics and philosophy for minimizing the possible loss for a worst case (maximum loss) scenario. Originally formulated for two-player zero-sum game theory, covering both the cases where players take alternate moves and those where they make simultaneous moves, it has also been extended to more complex games and to general decision-making in the presence of uncertainty. == Game theory == === In general games === The maximin value of a player is the largest value that the player can be sure to get without...

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