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10:00 PM
The stars penetrated the message
 
@Mego yes
 
@Adowrath Welcome to hell TNB
 
@TuxCopter What's the difference again?
But, thanks for the warm welcome
 
Nice pun
 
I know some other places where any newcomer gets shooed away until he's lived there for longer than a month without picking a fight with anybody
 
10:05 PM
well I just barged right in and made them all accept me, so it shouldn't be too hard for you to do the same
 
looks at the starboard You all are insane
 
@Zizouz212 s/.+/TNB
I should stop using lazy quantifiers everywhere
 
I should really make an avatar though..
 
It's like you folks are begging for stars
Anyways... What did I come here to ask for anyway?
Stop it!
 
@Zizouz212 You came here to ask for stars
 
10:07 PM
Gosh you all are annoying!
 
Can I please have a star
 
aw
 
@Poke ಠ_ಠ No
 
OK, seriously it's not funny anymore
 
10:07 PM
it never works for me
anyone use perforce
 
@Zizouz212 you can clear some of them
 
sigh I actually came here for something... And now I can't remember!
 
<insert funny star-worthy pun here>
 
that in itself is a star-worthy pun
 
Anonymous
@Zizouz212 You were going to blame caching with us
 
10:08 PM
@Zizouz212 Was it programming related?
 
@trichoplax Surprisingly, yes!
 
Anonymous
@Zizouz212 We are probably not the right people to ask
 
I just give up...
 
xD
 
Anonymous
You're going to get answers in Jelly and Seed
 
10:09 PM
@Zizouz212 Oh good. It seems like forever since we discussed programming :P
 
what on earth happened to the starboard
 
It was something in Java and Swing
 
@Zizouz212 bitwise AND doesn't short circuit. You're welcome.
 
Anonymous
@ConorO'Brien The usual
 
@ConorO'Brien TNB
 
10:09 PM
@ConorO'Brien You folks all happened
 
Careful when asking people to stop starring messages, it might turn into another 100-stars message
 
Yeah, could we clear a few?
 
@Dada I didn't even ask/stop/yell-at-people for stars anyway~
@Dada I didn't even ask/stop/yell-at-people for stars anyway! People here are crazy!
 
keep the one about us being insane
that's perfect
 
@Zizouz212 do you really need to take up half our starboard?
 
10:10 PM
Ugh
No!
 
can I downstar a message in order to make the starboard clearer?
 
@ais523 Sadly no
 
Seriously, can we help Zizouz now?
No?
 
@ais523 Only in rooms you own
 
Ok.
 
10:10 PM
@ais523 sadly impossible
 
No, but zizouz and @trichoplax can, which is why I'm asking
 
They can Nuke™ the stars, not downstars them
 
Wait? I can cancel stars?
 
Yep
 
I... Forgot about that! brb
 
10:11 PM
oh no
 
ono
 
@DJMcMayhem I do when it gets ridiculous. I'm close at the moment
 
Yeah, that's what I was telling you
 
Stop it!
 
Hell's gonna break loose
 
10:11 PM
Okay, whoever is starring random messages: that's very immature of you.
 
Wow, that was an enormous clear
 
Okay.
 
I assume there's a limited number of stars per day
 
Thanks
 
@ais523 Yep
 
10:12 PM
That was the first moody thingy I've done all year
 
SE has a limited number of everything per day
 
@ConorO'Brien just pointing out that it wasn't random. I think it was just zizouz's messages
 
@ais523 Except upvotes/downvotes
 
even upvotes/downvotes
 
@TuxCopter I've run out of upvotes
 
10:12 PM
@ais523 Wait what?
 
Interestingly, he didn't remove the stars on "You can trust this message because it has no stars."
 
@Poke oh, true
 
you get between 30 and 40 per day, depending on how many of your first 25 were on questions
 
@ConorO'Brien wot
 
we're gonna have to play a game of Whodunnit
 
10:13 PM
@Adowrath I just removed mine. It gets annoying
@Flp.Tkc Just why?
 
Ugh. I just want to mount my extra hard drive so that all local users can read/write it. Why is this so frustrating?
 
@Zizouz212 Oh okay
 
To find out Whodunnit
 
there's even a medal for voting 40 times in a day, which requires some planning ahead (you have to let a backlog of good questions pile up and then upvote them all early)
 
pls halp
I am bored
 
10:14 PM
Wait, is anyone familiar with swing stuff around here? I literally have a love-hate relationship with Swing here
 
@Zizouz212 I tried to make a game
 
Nope, only learned standard JEE
 
As in Java Swing?
 
I can probably help
 
Yep
 
10:15 PM
@Zizouz212 Careful, that was almost a pun - you're going to end up with stars again...
 
And not even that correctly.. this school is just.. ugh..
 
Nah, it was in modifying actually UI code
@trichoplax What was a pun? I'm so confused
 
I did some swing a couple years back, but I won't be of much help now.
@Zizouz212 yeah, your relationship with swing has "swings" (ups and downs)
 
Was just wondering if anyone was familiar with Text UIs and Button UIs I think. They're so ugly
@Flp.Tkc I am not!... oh
 
@Zizouz212 Rule 1 of TNB: Everything is a pun. Everything.
 
10:16 PM
@Zizouz212 Only almost. "love-hate" and "Swing" seemed like a pun waiting to happen. Swinging from one extreme to the other
 
I did not see that
 
@TuxCopter Rule 0: we count from 0 here.
 
@Flp.Tkc Rule -1: No rule exists after this
 
sigh I'm at such a standstill for university :/
 
Still a ways to go before I can even really plan to go to Uni .-.
 
10:18 PM
Why do I have to decide what to do with my life... And why does everything I consider have to be some regulated profession -_-
 
..I literally just misread that as 'regular expression'.
3
 
Too much regex for the day
 
@Zizouz212 what do you like doing?
 
Everything
That's probably a problem, isn't it?
 
10:19 PM
yep
 
And applications are due in literally a month
 
what do you hate doing?
 
Nah, but I kind of created a star for myself that kind of lists what I want to do with my life
 
Same here, the only thing I don't like at all is programming in VB and doing UML
 
10:21 PM
Aviation (though that's probably dead since I have a whole bunch of medical problems), Education & Child/Social Development, Urban Planning & Sustainability, Public Affairs & Social Innovation, Global Studies & International Development, and Human Rights & Social Justice
Great now you know everything about me
 
hey, does anyone know any predefined variables/reserved words in Python which have a constant, falsey value?
@Adowrath does anyone like doing UML?
 
@ais523 False?
 
oh, that probably works actually
 
@ais523 ..my classmates do?
 
let me try it
 
10:23 PM
Bascially, almost everything requires some sort of professional/specialized training. Flight school for Aviation, Teachers college for Education, Planning degrees for Urban Planning, Law school for human rights... I'm probably narrow minded
 
I should really have thought of that
 
0 probably works too, if it has to be golfy.
 
@ais523 0, False, None, not...
 
@ais523 None
 
0 doesn't work for my purpose, has to be letters only
None works though
 
10:24 PM
@ais523 They literally tell me after a test that the UML diagrams were the easiest and most fun parts of the test. Telling them to make a method static, however, makes them ask "so static instead of void?"..
 
Oh! ''
That's the shortest :)
 
that's not letters :-P
 
@ais523 btw note that False can be reassigned to in python2, while None can't
 
letters only @Zizouz212
 
Why only letters? Python is half symbols!
:'.'''
 
10:25 PM
@Zizouz212 I bet he's working on a polyglot of some kind
 
You should import braces from __future__ too!
:P
 
@Zizouz212 Damn, you beat me to it
 
I like doing that >:D
 
thanks everyone
 
I'm that super evil mean person that nobody likes! Grrr!
 
10:28 PM
@ais523 now stop the heresies and go back to writing Perl codes!
 
what do you think I'm doing? :-D
 
great, I was worried
 
Is anyone doing anything right now?
 
Is TIO down?
I ran a very intensive program in Retina, and now TIO won't load.
 
10:40 PM
I'm not one to ask :/
 
uh oh
 
It's probably just caching...
:/
 
it's not working for me either
 
Well, it's probably my fault.
I repeatedly converted a decimal interpretation of a unary number into unary, by accident.
 
if it doesn't something is wrong
also there should be memory limits
it should time out after 60 seconds
 
10:43 PM
/me shrug
 
@Zizouz212 How would you feel about taking a year out?
 
@ais523 ping tryitonline.net returns a response.
 
This bodyless for loop actually does something....
for (unsigned long i = location_found; s[i] != t_starter; --i) {

}
 
sigh I guess I have to wait until tomorrow to continue programming in Retina...
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC What? I can only imagine it being something with the !=, due to operator overloading..
Although I'm not sure how that pairs with the [] operator.
 
10:51 PM
@Adowrath nope, regular types
adfjkhf
  ^ location_found
Goes back in the string until it finds t_starter as a char
 
location_found could also have an implicit conversion function.
 
But then it discards the value in i, doesn't it?
 
Nope. No types defined.
@Adowrath It uses it.
 
And of course we could segfault.
 
@feersum Hm?
I just added || (i == 0)
 
10:55 PM
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC But where? Isn't it unavailable once the loop's finished?
 
So? We can segfault anywhere.
Is this C or C++?
 
@Dada Here, this is what I was working on, and it strikes me that this trick may allow for true-polyglots with more languages because it doesn't require introducing a variable (which has different syntax in Python and Perl)
 
@Adowrath Oh, I initialized i outside of the for loop in the prod code.
 
Thought you'd be doing something with polyglots
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Now that makes it clear, it's essentially a lastIndexOf until the location_found, isn't it?
 
@Adowrath yes
 
10:59 PM
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Where's my bounty? :V
 
@Adowrath 🍪
 
I'll accept that
Anyways, it's past midnight here, I'll get some sleep
 
@TuxCopter Yeah, it doesn't reparse the transcript older than two hours.
 
@El'endiaStarman Gimme a less-than-miraculous description of your first day
 
11:11 PM
@El'endiaStarman did you get yourself fired yet?
5
 
@ais523 nice indeed!
 
I'm home!
 
@Dada that's the first Perl/Python true-polyglot I've seen, and I don't know Python well enough to figure it out without help (actually, I was aware of None, just didn't think of it)
 
what do you mean "true" polyglot?
 
both languages are executing the same code and giving it the same meaning, parse-wise
print means print, and means and, or means or
None is a constant, / is a form of division, etc.
 
11:15 PM
I see. Dom Hastings wrote a nice one (for the tricks/treat challenge), using [] which is an array in both language, but true in perl and false in python (it might be a little bit less true than yours because it's an array ref in perl and only an array in python)
 
aha, I hadn't seen that one :-)
that would be a nice way to golf down my answer to squeeze a few more bytes into the limit
 
'naɪt
 
@El'endiaStarman How casual is it at Agora Games?
Did you sign an NDA, starman?
 
Hopefully it was an NDA that barred him from discussing whether he signed an NDA.
3
 
@Dennis why is that image so creepy looking pls
 
11:38 PM
@Maltysen Nope, failed again.
 
I can think of a few ways to do it if you run out of ideas.
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Very. It's awesome.
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I'm sure I did at some point though it wasn't explicitly labeled "NDA". Nonetheless, I have been explicitly told what I must keep my mouth shut about.
 
@El'endiaStarman :D
How do they do VCS? What do you actually do there?
 
@Fatalize This makes me quite happy.
 
I'm going to take some food tomorrow to store at my desk so I can eat basically any time I want. :D
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Git is the primary tool.
 
11:44 PM
IMO at this point anything but Git almost seems like a legacy tool
 
I'll be working on a developer API so game developers don't have to use the provided graphical user interface, but can instead write their own tools to automate some tasks.
 
Direct commit + feature branch or PR? @El'endiaStarman
@El'endiaStarman How's that gotta do with databases? (what they hired you for)
Or is it a test?
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Don't know yet. I worked on a small issue today and tomorrow, I'll see what the process is for getting the fix merged.
 
Please include, in excruciating detail, your entire workflow, job expectations, desk dimensions, coworkers' spouses' names, and proximity from your desk to the restroom.
8
 
Found this note in the bathroom today. lol
user image
9
 
11:48 PM
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I'll see. I mean, databases are a huge part of what makes this platform work, so they're quite important. I guessed that I would be doing database work given what they tested me on during the whiteboarding part of my interview.
 
@AlexA. amen. We use mercurial at work, and I really wish they would switch to git
 
@AlexA. I'm about six feet from the closest restroom.
 
@DJMcMayhem I had a job where we used Subversion. shudder
That's actually the only job I've had where we used version control at all...
@El'endiaStarman Not sure whether jealous or sorry for you
 
Oh, what luck! Somehow my random note about the bathroom happens to be ON TOPIC!
LOL
 
@AlexA. I can't smell, so the former. :P
 
11:50 PM
Well I can, hence my hesitation toward jealousy :P
 
@AlexA. Ugh. The hardware guys use subversion a lot for their board design and leave mercurial for the software guys.
(like me)
 
does CR have a chatroom?
 
Yes
Two actually
 
The 2nd monitor
 
And The Nth Monitor for noise
 
11:51 PM
oh cool. thx
 
@ConorO'Brien why do you ask, you traitor?!?!
:P
 
Expect to be heckled if they realize you're a PPCG person
 
I like to write nice code
@AlexA. I'll put on a hat :P
 
s/nice/short
 
11:52 PM
@ConorO'Brien But you use tabs, so that's not entirely possible... ;P
 
I actually use both
 
@El'endiaStarman They put you senior or lower-level?
 
not in the same project, of course
 
Oh okay good
 
Wait, Alex uses spaces? Yay \o/
 
11:53 PM
4 spaces 4 life
 
Dennis keeps giving me crap about my indentation choices
 
Don't listen to Dennis
 
I mix tabs and spaces in front of every LOC so that each line aligns at the right side of the 87th column.
 
And editor choice for that matter
@AlexA. Dennis is wrong? :P
 
Not always, but he has his moments ;P
 
11:54 PM
this reminds me, we don't have a problem about elastic tabs yet
 
I use 2 spaces for J and 4 spaces for most big projects. tabs for some big projects where I was already using tabs, but I try to use spaces because I like hand-aligning everything and don't want to mix spaces and tabs.
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I'm definitely not senior. Beyond that, not really sure.
 
I tried atom ages ago, but then I saw the light
 
which would fix the tabs versus spaces debate if only they were more widely supported
 
@ais523 I think we have two?
 
11:54 PM
Atom is fine if you have a few TeraFLOPs to spare.
 
@ConorO'Brien J has indentation?
 
Going on about tabs and spaces now?
 
@ais523 in explicit verbs, yes
 
I'm used to seeing it as an unreadable block of code :-)
 
@Zizouz212 Always
@mınxomaτ lol get rekt atom
 
11:55 PM
that said, people who only knew Perl from PPCG might get quite confused by a large program
 
Spaces. For life.
 
Same reason I don't use Chrome: I value my RAM
@ais523 To be fair, Perl is pretty confusing no matter how big the program is
@Zizouz212 Yes
 
I mean, it'd be more readable than they expected, and much less linenoisy
at least if it were written well
in the real world, people write length, not y===c :-P
 
@mınxomaτ Good to know!
 
11:56 PM
@AlexA. Which editor do you use? I know you use vim somewhat, but I don't know if you primarily use it
 
@ais523 tbh I've been programming in J for a while so it looks quite readable to me.
@DJMcMayhem I think he uses atom
 
@DJMcMayhem NeoVim for everything but R, RStudio for R
 
OK.
 
I tried Atom a while back and didn't like it
 
11:57 PM
I learned that just adding clang-format as a mandatory task before each commit prevents debate in the first place. For C/++ projects that is.
 
Atom took too long to open on my computer and I was getting impatient
 
who told me atom was good then? I thought it was you
 
I would use neovim, but I don't see what it offers over vim 8 and windows support is shitty
 
Prolog is probably the language I find most readable when golfed, but that's mostly because it has so much unremovable punctuation
 
@ConorO'Brien ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
11:58 PM
Prolog golf even uses newlines *shudder*
 
@ais523 it actually uses newlines as a separator, where a space would do just fine
 
@DJMcMayhem Don't use Windows. That's problem #1. You should read their list of differences from Vim. It basically reduces the cruft, among other things.
 
@AlexA. I get that haha. I only use it on large projects on github like cheddar
 
@ConorO'Brien yes, but you have to use whitespace, and a newline is as cheap as a space and more readable, so why not use one?
 
exactly. why shudder then? :P
 
11:59 PM
@ConorO'Brien What do you use the rest of the time?
 
@AlexA. notepad++
 
I tried editing a 100ish page Markdown file with live preview in Atom and I couldn't even scroll or navigate lines smoothly. VCS struggled, too. MarkdownPad for life.
 
You don't do as PhiNotPi does and use Notepad?
 

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