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08:00
Maybe I should allow for expanding, it makes the problem easier to implement
can we assume that at least one of the lines has a non space char in it? These really are important considerations for Turtlèd btw, with the way outputting the grid works
I meant to write "the first column has at least one nonspace"
because otherwise I have to account for leading spaces
@DestructibleWatermelon I think I'll allow padding the output with spaces so the walls aren't rigid
@Angs Can you rephrase?
Jeez, I've been sitting here for a fair few minutes and have done none of the program
So when you pad with enough spaces, you can assume the characters won't fall out of the sides
I still do not get it?
08:06
@DestructibleWatermelon as in yes to this
oooooh, coool
hooray
now I can start
I mainly added the size constraint to make any sense to the indexing
Because if you pad as you go, it doesn't make sense to talk about column.
But it works when I phrase it like you did
hmmm, I'm thinking about how much characters I'll need at the bottom to stop the chars falling forever...
well, looks like I'll have to write the program some other time :/
08:10
Ummm... can I self-promote a challenge real quick?
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Q: Hexasweep (part 1): The Solver

Qwerp-Derp(This is part 1 in a two-part challenge.) Your task is to solve a Hexasweep puzzle. A Hexasweep puzzle is set out on a grid of diamonds arranged in hexagonal shapes, of which the board looks like a hexagon, like so: _____ /\ \ _____/ X\____\_____ /\ \ / XX /\ \ /X...

08:35
@BlueEyedBeast Hey, do you want to truce? You got more languages than me, but I got a much lower byte. Let's coop, shall we? (you know which challenge I'm talking about)
@KritixiLithos I could swap Pyth for Minkolang quite easily? and get a bytecount that halvesish
that monstosity needs 162 close brackets
In other news, @Downgoat The goat burned down
But still, do you want to truce?
@KritixiLithos I might consider adding 1 more language but yes
Also what timezone are you in?
I was thinking you were in the sameish timezone as me and you areish
08:44
So, do you want to work on a submission together? We could win together, after all nobody else is really competing against us
@KritixiLithos I kind of have been stealing your languages already so
I have stolen a couple of yours as well
What's the plan?
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

RosLuPWhat about one question on numeric solve? write one function that gets as one argument one function f(x) and return the list of all element v with f(v)=0. Win the one write the function with biggest set of right results. If two have the same set, win the one has less characters. You can not use...

@KritixiLithos I don't mind
@BlueEyedBeast Question is, how do we do it? How do we combine them? Do you have any ideas?
08:59
@KritixiLithos I've never done a collaborative answer before so I'm not sure what one entails.
@BlueEyedBeast Perhaps we can choose one of our answers as the base, and keep on adding more languages to it
@KritixiLithos sure
@BlueEyedBeast Yours or mine?
@KritixiLithos it doesn't really matter
I have no preference
Then, if it's ok, let's choose my answer as the base and let us both add more languages to it!
09:08
@KritixiLithos sure
I can't see it working in Pyth/Pyke without breaking other languages
Would removing Foo help? (Foo has been a nuisance in the submission, drastically increasing the bytecount to languages with no support for single quotes)
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

MegoMinimize Your Code's SHA-256 Hash code-challenge Write a program or function that outputs its own SHA-256 hash as a hex digest. The winner will be the program with the smallest output (when interpreted as a hexadecimal integer). Rules Accessing the program/function's source code is allowed (a...

@KritixiLithos no, those ones require certain chars not to be in the input - Pyth was complaining about $ in the input which is used to run arbitary python code
I might be able to get Actually working though
Alright then, just edit it into the post once you're done
I might add some non-esolangs if it is possible
09:24
@ETHproductions There is a typo in your golfing-lang repo, on the author of 05AB1E: Adriandmen and not Adraindmen
How hard would it be to integrate chat into the mobile apps (Android and iOS)?
@Qwerp-Derp easy
So why don't the SE guys do it for this chat?
Shouldn't be too hard
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Q: Numbers divisible by the sum and product of their digits

FatalizeTake a positive integer X. This number is part of the sequence we are interested in if the sum of all digits of X is a divisor of X, and if the product of all digits of X is a divisor of X. For example, 135 is such a number because 1 + 3 + 5 = 9 which divides 135 = 9 * 15 and 1 * 3 * 5 = 15 whic...

09:34
@KritixiLithos edited
Oh yeah, I passed one year on PPCG last week. Woo!
@BlueEyedBeast Nice!
@Sherlock9 Congrats on your continued addiction participation! :P
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09:48
@Maltysen did you use the complex (exp(ipik) or the real version cos(pik) / sin(pik) (tehy are equivalent, but with the complex version you have to care about some issues regarding complex integrals)
@Maltysen these integrals usually do invovle quite some trickery if you want to solve them analytically:)
but I think I'm gonna give it a try:9
TIL there's only a handful of people who make SE
SE?
1 2 3 2 1 2 3 4 ?
@orlp thanks, it was just the right time because I should start revising for the exams...
@Maltysen anyway with some theorem I believe you can "pull the limit out of the integral" and then you basically just have to integrate from the left to the right boundary of the square, as everything else is set to zero.
@Maltysen The calculation is done here: thefouriertransform.com/pairs/box.php
10:06
@El'endiaStarman Belated thanks! I was too busy golfing to thank you earlier :P
10:21
hmmmmmmmm. Well, leading spaces are going to be a pain to deal with in this answer
darnit
If only I had changed the order of the removal of blank spaces
Also I notice how so many people mistake PPCG for SO for some reason
I don't get why some people ask general programming questions here
I just don't know
We've had even more off-topic questions before. Lemme see if I can construct a TNBDE query...
Wait, no, that won't work. (I was trying to filter on whether "codegolf" was present in the message, when I realized that New Main Posts necessarily posts PPCG questions. Duh.)
Also most of them are really crappily formatted
They look like garbage
(the average SO question)
10:40
Ah, here's an example:
Jul 18 at 9:40, by New Main Posts
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Q: what is the royal canadian mint?

user56449The Royal Canadian Mint is a Canadian Crown corporation, and operates under the legislative basis of the Royal Canadian Mint Act. The shares of the Mint are held in trust for Her Majesty in right of Canada

wait wth?
Also why can I see deleted questions what?
I have a simple-as-dirt challenge
Given two integers (m, n) as input, output a hexagonal grid of size n with hexagons of size m.
 ___
/   \
\___/
Hello Jelly people. How do you run a monad, f(x), until you find n values for which f(x) is truthy?
size 1 hexagon
No one's looking at my Hexasweep challenge :(
I see from your oneboxed self-promotion above that your challenge has at least 6 upvotes.
I also see that no one responded to that in chat.
Sometimes people just aren't that interested. Not much you can do about it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I am looking at it now. It is quite complex
10:48
@Qwerp-Derp You have 2019 reputation and 2000 is the threshold for moderator tools, which includes seeing deleted questions.
@El'endiaStarman Huh
I had 1,999 reputation and it was the worst few minutes of my PPCG life
It was painful
@El'endiaStarman That's a way of life
I quite like the challenge, it's a shame no one else is interested
IDK why though
Was it too complex?
Ok so I'm trying to write a Jelly answer to "numbers divisible by sum and product of digits". I have a link that can identify a number, but I'm having trouble turning it into an answer that can get the nth number in the sequence
This is my link: DS⁸%o⁸DP⁸%¬
DS⁸%o⁸DP⁸%¬
Ç#
And that is my attempt at finding an answer that isn't working at the moment
Wait WTH
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Q: Mule ESB - Oracle TimeStamp to SFDC TS conversion fails with "Invalid property name: length.Validate that the correct getter and setters are present"

rebeccasurendraI am having an issue in converting Oracle timestamp to SFDC format. The transformation logic that i have (provided by Mule) is failing with Invalid property name: length. Validate that the correct getter and setters are present..". Please see below the error: Message : Exception while executing:...

I don't understand how is this even in Academia
First site in SE list?
The first link doesn't work either. sigh back to the drawing board
11:06
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ This sub: reddit.com/r/evilbuildings/comments/5fbqo3/…
11:50
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Super + Space as normal of course, what did you expect?
Hey, apparently turbo.js was featured in a talk at JSKongress 2016: twitter.com/search?q=%23JSKongress%20turbo&src=typd
I've been listening to a bunch of 19-equal-temperament music.
It's actually decent, better than 12-TET at some stuff. Whereas 12-TET has near-perfect fifths and fourths, 19-TET has near-perfect minor thirds.
12:13
0
Q: Why Browser alerts when video goes full screen?

Kiran RavindranathanWhen new sites are visited and attempted to play a video in fullscreen, Chrome browser prompts 'Allow Full Screen' message. I am just wondering what can be the reason behind it. I guess allowing full-screen videos can be a potential risk than non-full-screen; But what exactly can be the risk? why...

12:24
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Q: Grid ascii art code golf

Dave JonesChallenge Create the shortest program that meets the requirements Requirements 1) The code must generate a 5x5 grid of 0s, like so: 00000 00000 00000 00000 00000 2) The code must accept an input (column, row, character). The grid must change accordingly: Start: 00000 00000 00000 00000 0000...

@flawr I did the forwards one, and that worked out, I wanted to do the backwards from 1 -> Delta without any prior knowledge of the forwards
12:39
@Dennis I have question: I'm aware that the link DS⁸%o⁸DP⁸%¬ doesn't actually compute NOT(OR(larg % sum(decimal(larg)), larg % prod(decimal(larg)))) and something more like NOT(larg % prod(OR(larg % sum(decimal(larg), decimal(larg)))
Do you have any idea how I can remedy this because trying to untangle this chain is starting to give me a headache
@Sherlock9 The Jelly chat-room exists for that, if you didn't know.
Thanks Erik. I forgot. Sorry for the mess
I just like being organized and well, that's why I said that.
No problem. I'm a little bit frazzled and didn't think to look for another chat. Thanks for the heads up
12:52
@mınxomaτ slightly disappointed that the "no pun in ten did" and "its own reword" jokes are missing from the puns about puns page
The page itself says the page could use some suggestions
Also, no goat puns.
 
1 hour later…
14:01
All of the goat puns were baaaaad.
They stink, too
@Geobits like goats?
14:27
@Fatalize Thanks, fixed
@flawr 10/10 would visit that sub again
@El'endiaStarman 0/10 would not recommend trying to finish antichamber when you can't sleep at 3 in the morning
Oh wow now that was a big mistake
14:42
i can tell thank you very much
but i got the red gun, so yay
In case you missed it earlier:
To bridge the gap between v1 (stable, minimalistic) and v2 (in development, powerful), there is now TIO Nexus. https://tio.run/nexus
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14:58
@Dennis What's the goal of the nexus vs the base site
@Dennis How is fish practical and not recreational? :P
@Poke If you last hit the nexus you get +50 gold.
@Emigna It's the Friendy Interactive Shell, not ><>.
Ah, doh!
TIO now supports Perl?
15:04
@Yodle pls no
i'm trying to avoid that game
@Poke Being able to retire v1 in the next month, which is unsandboxed-ish and can't support practical languages. There are some details of v2 that still require some thoughts (server-side permalinks, authentication, format of test suites), and I want to do those calmly to get them right.
@GabrielBenamy I'll add all practical languages I can implement.
@Dennis How do I set runtime flags such as -n or -M5.010?
In Arguments or as a shebang in Header.
nice, thank you!
@Yodle gg
15:17
@Dennis tio.run is blocked by my companies filter. It might not like the .run top level domain. Do you have/will you have a .net/.com/.org/...?
AHA I DID IT
tio.net is tio v1
iirc
@GabrielBenamy what?
oh, set flags
ven
ven
Uh, I havn't been here in that long? new TIO and all that.
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I've been staring at my cantor's unspeakable numbers code for two days trying to make it shorter and i finally cut off two bytes
15:19
I'm now below 40 bytes :O
@ven TL;DR: dennis is making TIO v2, it's still under development. He made TIO v1.5, called nexus, to be a temporary TIO until version 2 comes out.
ven
ven
That's what it seems ;o)
> Done! You're #1318694 in the waiting list.
k then ._.
...1 million waiting list? I hope its automated, but if it is: why is the queue so long?
I guess a lot of people want in.
15:23
@mınxomaτ what for?
gab
I wanted to see how bad it really is. Apparently it's like 4chan, but in a twitter-like framework.
that doesn't sound like a good idea to me
Controversy creates publicity.
The CEO is basically a louder and younger version of Trump: techcrunch.com/2016/11/12/…
ven
ven
whoop, managed to beat Wonder with Perl 6 \o/.
ok then
@ven nice!
ven
ven
15:35
Jelly is still hard to beat, heh.
Extraordinarily so
@ErikGolferエリックゴルファー I don't switch keyboards, so I don't know
But I was trying my hand at it and the darn thing flummoxed me so much that someone else wrote the answer before I figured out all the builtins I needed to golf it properly
Who owns ppcg.ga again?
I want ppcg.ga/tnb to redirect to TNB; shortcut :P
nobody iirc, it's just a link shortener
15:40
Who owns the domain?
idk
it's some link shortener company
Gabon, it appears
Two cool videos for you guys: 1) A wonderful Christmas tradition - arson! youtube.com/watch?v=-zjJpFYtx9s and 2) stand-up comedy about maths, in particular, about smoke rings: youtube.com/watch?v=Bcr9-93wXng
ven
ven
@Sherlock9 oh, I feel you on that one :D.
7 hours ago, by BlueEyedBeast
In other news, @Downgoat The goat burned down
15:54
Ah, I did not see that
@Riley Gah, that's unfortunate. There's tryitonline.net, but it only hosts version 1 so far.
@Dennis Are you going to switch that over to version 2 when it's ready?
@Sherlock9 RIP goaty mc goatface
@Riley The plan was to redirect jelly.tryitonline.net to tio.run/nexus/jelly, for example. That won't help with restrictions like this one though...
Why someone would ban a whole TLD is beyond me though.
So I'm back from holiday. The site design looks nice.
16:07
@TimmyD I know right? we got it november 1st
@Dennis Our filter is really strict. I would guess that it whitelists the major TLDs instead of blacklisting any. I'm not entirely sure that it's the TLD, but I tried a few other .run sites with no success.
And I thought the admin my my work network was bad for banning wolframalpha.com/input/….
@Riley It's an online interpreter. Assuming your work involves programming somehow, just ask TIO to get whitelisted. <3
@TimmyD If that is directed at me, :D.
@Dennis I don't think they'll take the time to do that for someone like me :(
@Dennis Sure. TIO v2 looks nice as well.
I'll just have to code-golf from my phone when I'm at work...
16:14
Fortunately, TIO Nexus should work quite well on a phone. At least on the phones I tested it on.
Unfortunately, copying and pasting the ridiculous builtins of most golfing languages remains a pain in the butt on mobile
Just wait for Emojicode. It's easy to code on mobile.
@betseg the byte count would be ridiculous though
The site does look nice on mobile as long as you only use languages that use normal keyboard characters.
@Dennis Will you be able to add J to some version of TIO? The only online interpreter I know of went offline some time ago. Mind you, it was also buggy.
16:18
@Sherlock9 Built-in keyboards are a planned feature.
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Oh thank Christ
Dennis, you're a saint :D
@Dennis :O
@Zgarb Yeah, I'll add J. Not sure how to test it though. What does a full J program look like?
@Zgarb J doesn't use an interpreter, J uses witchcraft and prayer.
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@Dennis Hrmm, not sure actually. I always use a REPL when golfing.
16:21
I guess I could create two versions: one with proper programs, and one that just pipes the source code to jconsole.
I'll never forget the first time I saw an answer on ProjectEuler written in J.
It was a religious experience.
Is there even a way to run programs from the command line without piping code to jconsole?
I was always under the impression that's the way you do it
Yes, J has full programs. They're not golfy though, so you won't see them on PPCG.
quicksort=: (($:@(<#[), (=#[), $:@(>#[)) ({~ ?@#)) ^: (1<#)
That's the Quicksort, implemented in J
16:27
Okay, this looks better: jsoftware.com/help/user/hashbang.htm
@Zgarb Not that bad. Hello World with a trailing tab is just this:
echo 'Hello, World!'
Plus exit 0 to avoid the tab.
Hah, we don't need two interpreters. The input field will act as the REPL does.
I wonder why exit '' works...
@Dennis That's... counter-intuitive.
@Dennis Oh no I know about explicit verbs and all that. I just meant I always ran even ungolfed J programs by piping them into jconsole
It's how J works though. All code on STDIN is executed.
16:34
I know there's a script load !: but that still requires piping something in
@Sp3000 I'm not too disappointed. I only added the bounty because I felt bad bumping it just for a snippet edit. I did get one additional upvote so it wasn't a complete waste :P
This is going to be harder then I thought. I managed to install the required dependencies, but J wants to access /proc/cpuinfo for some reason, which the sandbox doesn't allow...
@Dennis I could imagine a lot of production languages wanting this type of info
Probably. I'll have to whitelist cpuinfo.
There's a lot of dangerous-looking system commands here
16:48
@Dennis Can you add the Laff-O-Tron as a room owner in here
I still can't add it because it doesn't have 100 rep but I know you can
@Zgarb That's no longer a problem with the new backend. All user code is sandboxed.
Yeah, I thought so, since you added Perl and others already.
@quartata Done.
Thanks.
ven
ven
@Dennis nice! Copy-pasting from github was annoying... :p (i remember we discussed keyboards a few months ago)
17:09
random music of the day: Fanfare in 19-Equal-Temperament (pardon the synthesizer)
Slack's favicon turned red for some reason. Anyone know why? It did it before on Halloween.
@BlueEyedBeast Not on my machine :P
nvm
and it's back the normal colour again
caching
@Dennis Oooh!
@Dennis I'm not sure if I like all the spacing between elements in the menu
Menu? Do you mean the navbar?
yeah
It just doesn't seem neat
17:19
Hm, I almost never have my browser at that size. I could allow the button to be a bit bigger, I guess.
@Dennis Holy crap, did you just review my NAA flag in 20 seconds? That was fast
Didn't even see the flag. :P
Ah. I guess it was just good timing then
If I delete the post, all flags automatically get marked as helpful.
Neat, the input field really works as a REPL
17:20
Custom flags too?
It looks much better at half size though
@DJMcMayhem Not sure tbh.
Do you wanna do some science? You have a sock right?
@Dennis The spacing is a little weird , but whatever: tio.run/nexus/j#@///f5qCrZWCNpehQpqCEZg0A5OWAA
@Dennis Can you refresh my profile? I've had my avatar back to normal for 2 days now...
Actually, wait a moment
It didn't seem to save
OK, there we go. Odd.
I can't wait to go back to DJ, but I need three more days
@Dennis Ah, much better. Thanks a lot!
@quartata There you go.
I get an error saying J is not supported
17:25
@DJMcMayhem Considering chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/33790147#33790147, may I suggest DJMcCopyCat? :P
@GabrielBenamy Caching. You might need a hard refresh.
ah thanks
I should disable caching of the language list on the server side.
@Dennis Even better: DJMcCopyCatInTheHat
DJMcDonaldHadAFarmEIEIO
I've got almost a hundred SE accounts, so I could actually take a lot of these names. :P
17:33
@DJMcMayhem o_O why
For flagging spam and Cause they're really easy to make
so he can hit rep cap on 95 accounts in the same day and still feel important
Ahh, thought you were planning a robot takeover
No, they're not socks. They're still registered to my account, just on different SE sites
"Practical" "J" what
17:50
There's another intern here who, when asked how good something was, always responds with "pretty okay" or "pretty alright". I just stumbled upon this so I sent him it.
@DJMcMayhem I support that as long as you remove this awful goat drawing.
@Dennis I got an error at beeswax.tryitonline.net
@Fatalize J is a bit weird, but it is a production languages an is used irl.
> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
> beewswax
17:53
What do I do?
@Dennis People that use J in production are a myth
@KritixiLithos Well, you start by checking if you also wrote beewswax in the actual URL, and what you were trying to do when you got that error.

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