The Nineteenth Byte

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I'm considering doing an original challenge that (at of right now) consists of golfed solutions in the languages C, Python, Jelly, Javascript, 05AB1E, Pyth, PHP, MATL. The challenge is to look at the golfed code and figure out what the intended challenge was. I think it could be a very interest...

Kritixi Lithos

09:32

Hi @TuxCopter, how's life?

TuxCopter

fine

wat

I got a GH notification 3 hours ago because there was a commit in a repo

Destructible Watermelon

C student: "What if we think float might not have enough precision?" C teacher: "When you worry, you make it double"

TuxCopter

Problem: The commit in question was commited one year ago and I didn't participated in the repo ಠ_ಠ

Kritixi Lithos

Maybe you starred it?

TuxCopter

Nope

Kritixi Lithos

09:35

You followed the guy or watched the repo?

TuxCopter

And even if I watched it I shouldn't receive notification for commits over 1 year ago

Kritixi Lithos

Maybe you are seeing it only now

TuxCopter

I don't follow the user too

Kritixi Lithos

In my GH, I got tons on notifications from you

TuxCopter

@KritixiLithos Why?

Kritixi Lithos

09:38

tuxcrafting starred ...
tuxcrafting starred ...

TuxCopter

Ah

lel

TuxCopter

09:52

TIO v2 is released \o/

Kritixi Lithos

TIO permalink

TuxCopter

10:18

Hey?

Destructible Watermelon

stupid lichess

TuxCopter

wat

Destructible Watermelon

promting to king...

TuxCopter

wtf lichess

Destructible Watermelon

it was on a variant

but still bs

Qwerp-Derp

10:43

Hello

Destructible Watermelon

@Qwerp-Derp hi

Qwerp-Derp

$\frac {2}{2}$

Wait what

Destructible Watermelon

yes

Kritixi Lithos

No MathJax in chats ;_;

Qwerp-Derp

:(

I have chatjax

for tampermonkey

but it doesnt work here

Destructible Watermelon

10:48

@Qwerp-Derp koth help pls

@Qwerp-Derp open skype?

Qwerp-Derp

Dood I'm prepping for tests

I have two tests tomorrow

RIP Qwerp-Derp XXXX-2016

TuxCopter

@tests y u made dis ;_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________;

Qwerp-Derp

He was downdooted by life because of tests

Destructible Watermelon

dam tests

ruin everything

Kritixi Lithos

11:12

SAY NO TO TESTS! SAY NO TO HOMEWORK!

Destructible Watermelon

JUST SAY NO!

TuxCopter

say welcome to Fs

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

lol:

13

A: What is your favorite "data analysis" cartoon?

an 'easy to digest' pie chart example for Rick Astley fans that my students seem to enjoy

Destructible Watermelon

JUST SAY NO!!!

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

(contains image)

TuxCopter

11:14

@DestructibleWatermelon wtf

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

^

Destructible Watermelon

11:31

shhh

arda

@DestructibleWatermelon wait what is that

Kritixi Lithos

11:49

I just became a meme-maker

Dennis

12:17

@quartata 1. On what phone is this? It works fine on mine. 2. I'll add tool tips today. 3. Yeah, I'll make that optional. I like it better this way because it saves quite a bit of vertical space.

→ 16 messages moved to Trash

@KritixiLithos Heh, compressing the results makes that quite fast.

Kritixi Lithos

@Dennis Which results are you referring to?

Never mind

TuxCopter

So now permalinks are stored server-side?

Dennis

Yes.

TuxCopter

cool

Kritixi Lithos

The permalink part of the URL does not exceed 5 characters, but every time I press on create a permalink, it generates a new one for me. tio.run/#tYpyN and tio.run/#ECAcf direct to the same code

betseg

12:29

Is the community icon based on Ubuntu logo? :D

Anonymous

Here's a suggestion: if your messages keep getting moved to Trash, maybe fill that room up with your nonsense instead of this one

Kritixi Lithos

That's what I'm doing right now :P

Dennis

@betseg Not really; it's based on the revolving hearts Unicode glyph, which looked a bit too cuddly. But now that you say it, yeah, it does look similar.

@KritixiLithos Kindly stop saving the same file over and over again on the server. :P

Kritixi Lithos

Oh sorry.

Dennis

No problem. Once authentication is implemented, you'll actually edit able to edit your permalink.

Just got one half of a bounty.

betseg

12:37

And what if all 916132832 permalinks ((26*2+10)^5) are used?

TuxCopter

You should make a time to live for permalinks saved by anonymous users to prevent cluttering the fs

Dennis

I don't want to force users to authenticate.

Unregistered users will still be able to edit permalinks with "cookies".

TuxCopter

There can be a problem with a spammer that save a lot of permalinks to fill the server

Dennis

@betseg I add a letter.

@TuxCopter The answer to this is IP blocking and rate limiting.

Martin Ender

@Mego your latest edit undid the changes in the other two stages ;)

Kritixi Lithos

12:40

What about localStorage?

Dennis

Hence the quotes in "cookies".

Martin Ender

@Mego also not sure why you inserted that ?

Anonymous

Argh... The curse of not reloading before editing

Anonymous

@MartinEnder I was thinking it would be like (gu)(i|[aeou]) and not ((gu)i)|[aeou]. Blame rusty regex skills :)

Martin Ender

| has pretty much the lowest precedence of anything

Anonymous

12:46

Yeah I remember that now

Nathan Merrill

13:04

hey, any powershell programmers on?

flawr

I'm not one, sorry.

wtf wolframalpha???

New Meta Posts

13:36

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Q: Post a crack to a cracked CNR submission

When answering a CNR challenge it's common to get the response: "Well done, but that was definitely not what I had in mind". I feel like it should be perfectly fine for anyone to post a second crack if OP says the intended solution was substantially different. The first crack is of course still...

discussion cops-and-robbers

mınxomaτ

14:20

GitHub bug still unfixed: github.com/git-rest/spooky

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ You must really enjoy finding flaws in other people's stuff :)

mınxomaτ

That for once was discovered by accident.

Imagine having a top tier orga (like Google, Facebook etc.) and just by transferring admin rights, your orga disappears...

Anonymous

Eek

Anonymous

Maybe I should "hire" you to find issues with Seriously. Your "pay" will be the satisfaction of a job well done (as is typical for small OSS projects).

Nathan Merrill

@mınxomaτ do you have any guess as to why it happens?

mınxomaτ

14:27

Nope.

As far as I can tell, GitHub has no idea either.

betseg

i think google gave several million dollars to the people who hacked chrome

arda

Github has a bug program

they only give up to 25k afaik though

mınxomaτ

static.googleusercontent.com/about/appsecurity/hall-of-fame

quartata

@Dennis Mobile Safari

I'll show you some screenshots in a bit once I've woken up

Dennis

I see. I have no way of testing it for that browser. ._.

quartata

14:34

If you have access to any Macs you can use the simulator.

Dennis

I don't. I literally know one who has a Mac.

quartata

Good taste.

I normally don't use Safari on my phone but I was testing something else

Dennis

They're not really popular in this country. Mostly because of the price range, I assume.

betseg

Yay, you added bc.

betseg

14:51

@Dennis oops i did something

TuxCopter

what did you do

betseg

i ran :(){ :|:&};: and now backend borked

gives 500

arda

@betseg dammit betseg :P

TuxCopter

@betseg y u do dis ಠ_ಠ

betseg

test

TuxCopter

14:53

I don't know who had the idea to add an enter key to the keyboard but I hate him

betseg

i tried some hacking commands, apparently dennis blocked all, but not the fork bomb

oh is fixed

El'endia Starman

In a similar vein, print(10**10**10) in Python 3 causes a "something bad happened, check the console" message, but there's nothing in the console.

betseg

console gives 500 when i do the fork bomb

TuxCopter

su: user root does not exist

wtf

betseg

whoami: cannot find name for user ID 1000: Permission denied

TuxCopter

14:58

wtf

.code.tio: line 1: wtf: command not found

wtf

El'endia Starman

Getting a little noisy there...

TuxCopter

@Dennis I can bork all connected TIO sessions by running rm -r /tmp/*

arda

Hmm, I wonder what I should call my esolang

mınxomaτ

Make a new room for breaking TIO. Call it "Break It Online!" or something.

TuxCopter

@arda What your esolang look like?

arda

15:05

@TuxCopter C

El'endia Starman

@Dennis: Minor feature request: when you make another test case, copy the state of the last one. This is so users wouldn't have to repeatedly click "Input" to expand it on every case, for example.

TuxCopter

It look like C?

It's not an esolang then

betseg

Find a letter that doesn't have a lang

Or Ç? Dunno

El'endia Starman

@betseg IIRC all the single letters have been taken.

TuxCopter

₡

Or Č

Ç

Zacharee1

15:06

what am I C-ing?

El'endia Starman

→ 3 messages moved to Trash

Zacharee1

aww

arda

@TuxCopter It's syntax is like C, but it's not that really similar to C

Kritixi Lithos

"C is the new Java"?

Zacharee1

Java > C

arda

15:09

Also it seems like keybase killed the line thingy, and you can register immediately now.

TuxCopter

Call the esolang C_C

betseg

There is a lang called, well, the reverse C letter

Zacharee1

what is this language C_C

El'endia Starman

@TuxCopter I'm not so sure that's the case. I only ever see exactly one file when running ls /tmp/.

TuxCopter

Because there is only your program running

Zacharee1

15:13

@TuxCopter lol

El'endia Starman

→ 4 messages moved to Trash

I will start kicking for posting nothing but faces.

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Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman My hero

El'endia Starman

> Avoid posting messages that add nothing to the conversation (^, ಠ_ಠ, rofl, etc.).

Straight from the Chatiquette.

Conor O'Brien

@El'endiaStarman wait seriously? :/

TuxCopter

Wait why unicode have single characters equivalent of digraphs? Eg: DZ and Ǳ

Kritixi Lithos

15:16

@El'endiaStarman Pin the message. People will be more wary

mınxomaτ

Is it just my font or does this skull look like it has eyebrows: fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2620/index.htm

betseg

@TuxCopter a letter from some languages

El'endia Starman

@KritixiLithos Nah, it's not bad enough or common enough to warrant a pin.

TuxCopter

@betseg Even it these languages it's written as a digraph

betseg

@mınxomaτ It doesn't with my font

Conor O'Brien

15:17

@mınxomaτ I think those are curves in the skull

mınxomaτ

@ConorO'Brien I know, but I can't un-see them as eyebrows.

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ Hah, that's funny. Those are the indentations in the temple area.

TuxCopter

wait what in what

mınxomaτ

SAD SKULL AND CROSSBONES

El'endia Starman

@ConorO'Brien Seeing as how that message got five stars, it seems that several other people agree that face-only messages are irritating.

Conor O'Brien

15:19

whatever.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat pls admin privs tf2 server

TuxCopter

Server is up?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

betseg

@arda call the lang Ɔ?

TuxCopter

watiz the password @EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ

Zacharee1

15:23

What about :Ɔ

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TuxCopter idk

Kritixi Lithos

Or call the language "!Ɔlass"

TuxCopter

Then how do I connect D:

Dennis

@TuxCopter No, you can't.

arda

@betseg Might do. Me saying that it is like C was a mistake though, it just looks like generic code, but has some stuff similar to C.

Dennis

15:25

@betseg That sorted itself out. While it can temporarily disrupt the service, it should not be able to bring it down.

@El'endiaStarman Do you mean the entire field (contents and everything) or just what is expanded and what not?

betseg

rm $(pwd) -rf && echo done

No output lol

El'endia Starman

@Dennis Just what's expanded.

flawr

++Ɔ

Zacharee1

lol

arda

@betseg y u h8 tio?

El'endia Starman

15:28

@betseg That happens for any disallowed command.

Zacharee1

@flawr why not ––Ɔ since we're reversing? :p

El'endia Starman

Try touch /tmp/abc.txt.

betseg

@El'endiaStarman debug is empty

Dennis

@El'endiaStarman Sure, that's easy. Just have to clone the previous test case instead of the template. I don't even need a template in this case.

El'endia Starman

@betseg Oooh, didn't think to look at the debug output.

Dennis

15:30

@betseg Well, that happens if you remove the file you are executing. You can only mess with your own process though. Each process has a different MCS range.

@El'endiaStarman Btw, once implemented, the paste wizard will allow you to simply copy the test cases of a question into a textarea, set a few parameters, and automatically create the fiddles.

betseg

@Dennis so, if someone else is running something and I execute rm /tmp/* -rf, other process won't die?

El'endia Starman

@Dennis Excellent.

Dennis

@betseg You don't even have read access to other sandboxed processes, let alone write access.

Zacharee1

15:43

@El'endiaStarman Excellent

Fatalize

15:58

@El'endiaStarman I don't want to argue but...

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize Yeah, see how the most recent is from January 11?

Fatalize

Is it?

I'm not saying those trashed messages were interesting or that you should kick yourself

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize That one's a response.

Fatalize

But being a bit less extreme might help

El'endia Starman

I'd like to think so. I posted that message after trashing two separate chains of faces within, what, 10 minutes? And two of the users involved in the second were also in the first, so they clearly didn't learn their lesson.

Kritixi Lithos

16:03

@El'endiaStarman Are you a mod on PPCG, or just a mod of this chatroom?

El'endia Starman

I'm not planning on carrying out my threat tomorrow or a week from now, just to be clear. I'd warn again at that time.

TuxCopter

@KritixiLithos Mod on Christianity AFAIK

So he's a mod everywhere on chat

Doorknob

@Fatalize Right, but it becomes problematic when it's pure noise and disrupts acutal conversation. The messages that El'endia trashed earlier didn't carry any actual meaning or attempt to communicate anything, and there were 3-4 in 30 seconds. (Also, tu quoque.)

Zacharee1

except SO

El'endia Starman

@Zacharee1 Correct. SO chat is a separate network.

Fatalize

16:05

@Doorknob That's true. I'm just saying that those messages being trash-worthy isn't a reason to start kicking anyone which posts a face

which is kind of what that starboard message says

Anonymous

@Fatalize You really like tu quoque.

Anonymous

I don't see a problem with kicking users who frequently fill this room with nonsense messages, especially when they've been warned (and even kicked) before.

Fatalize

Sure

That doesn't make "I will start kicking for posting faces with nothing else" more valid

"I will start kicking such and such user for posting nonsense messages again" would though

otherwise we should just kick pretty much everyone

Anonymous

The implication was there - sometimes you have to take context into account when reading messages

Geobits

If you're just saying the starboard message could be worded more clearly, I somewhat agree. But it was a direct response to the face chains, so in context it makes sense. Only if you look at it out of context does it seem harsh.

BlueEyedBeast

16:09

I think I offended someone who posted this comment.

Fatalize

When you come to chat and the top starboard message is this I don't expect to read the entire transcript to get what it means

trichoplax

The starboard is all about taking things out of context

Kritixi Lithos

I remember when @Sock got banned for excessively using stealth-pings unnecessary. If that didn't happen, TNB would be full of spam.

El'endia Starman

I honestly wasn't expecting that message to get starred. It was just for the users involved at the time.

TuxCopter

@BlueEyedBeast huh

Fatalize

16:10

Well, back to ye olde abusing stars problem. Can't escape that one it seems :p

Zacharee1

@BlueEyedBeast says something about them...

trichoplax

If there were going to be a pinned message about this, someone would sit down and carefully word it. As it's just a remark that happened to get starred, it was never intended to be unambiguous out of context.

Zacharee1

what if a mod just removes the stars?

Anonymous

@Fatalize No, but you could read the few messages around the starred message. It's not that much effort, but if you're not willing to expend that little bit of effort to understand a message, that's your problem.

Sock

I will never spam ever again

El'endia Starman

16:13

@Zacharee1 I considered doing that myself, but at the same time, it's getting support I didn't know existed.

Fatalize

(In any case I think there is slight favoritism in this chat room. E.G. Downgoat (nothing against you) very often posts unrelated things about goats and whatnot and uses intentionaly awful spelling, but doesn't seem to get "punished" nearly as hard as other less "known" users who do the same)

TuxCopter

Because Downgoat is literally a meme

Zacharee1

@El'endiaStarman what about modediting it so it is more carefuly worded, like @trichoplax said?

trichoplax

I don't see a reason to remove the stars. New users should be able to see from looking at the starboard that it isn't a collection of policies

Geobits

@Fatalize I've seriously considered kicking for the (over)use of gaot and such. I haven't made up my mind yet, though.

trichoplax

16:15

@Zacharee1 I wasn't suggesting that, since it isn't an "official" pinned message

Zacharee1

@trichoplax 8 stars – might as well be ;p

Sock

"gaot" chatter should go to Trash, where nobody cares what you say

trichoplax

The stars are for the current wording, so I wouldn't want it changed

Geobits

@Zacharee1 I can get 8 stars from a bad pun. 8 stars is nothing ;)

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trichoplax

@Zacharee1 Pinned means "a room owner put this at the top of the starboard". Lots of stars means "members of the community have starred this".

Sock

16:16

@Geobits Nice star-bait!

Anonymous

@Fatalize He actually contributes though (as opposed to the users who will just faceroll on their keyboards all day), and I'm not sure just how much of his awful spelling is intentional - hooves and keyboards don't play well :P

Anonymous

Slightly unintelligible messages > completely nonsensical messages

trichoplax

I'm pretty sure Downgoat would still be a prolific and useful contributor even if we clamped down on the spelling (at least the deliberate parts)

Geobits

@Sock It's not quite at 8 yet, but hopefully nobody pushes it to 9 :P

Anonymous

Chronic bad spelling should not be a reason for disciplinary action. Ever.

Anonymous

16:18

Otherwise I'd have to pass a breathalyzer test to chat

trichoplax

I definitely agree for accidental poor spelling. It's only obfuscation that gets wearing

Anonymous

But it's hard to tell the intention

TuxCopter

@Geobits 8 stars

-.-

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize I have felt uneasy about that too. Sometimes I see an "older" user (in the sense of how long they've been here) posting messages that might've gotten trashed were they posted by a newer user. I've been making a conscious effort to equalize my perceptions towards both new and old users, while keeping in mind that prior behavior must also be considered.

Geobits

@TuxCopter I guess that just proves the point :D

trichoplax

16:20

@Mego Where I don't know, I'll give the benefit of the doubt. I'm not suggesting a sudden spate of kicks for poor spelling :)

betseg

Nov 12 '15 at 22:26, by Doorknob

okay seriously stop abusing stars

^has 97 stars

Anonymous

It's a difficult line to walk. On the one hand, a new user who immediately starts spewing nonsense all over the chatroom means that their messages have been all noise and no signal, which could be worthy of discipline in my eyes (depending on the exact circumstances). An older user would (hopefully) have a better signal:noise ratio. On the other hand, the older user should know better, and the newer user might just need a gentle nudge in the right direction.

Fatalize

If we had to kick Downgoat everytime he used "of" instead of "have", he would never be able to contribute :p

Geobits

That's almost as bad as using everytime as a single word ;)

Anonymous

Roasted :P

trichoplax

16:23

That's as maybe

Fatalize

phew

Geobits

uhh... >_>

El'endia Starman

*kicks Geobits*

5

Geobits

Dammit

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Am I missing something? Why didn't that italicize?

El'endia Starman

16:24

Maybe I should go back and edit that message so it's not so harsh-seeming.

@Mego I escaped the first asterisk.

Anonymous

Oh

Anonymous

That would do it

Zacharee1

@Mego *it's easy with \*

trichoplax

@El'endiaStarman Or just post a less harsh one now and see which one gets more stars...

Geobits

Aww, who put the 9th star on that? Way to ruin a perfect post :/

Anonymous

16:25

@El'endiaStarman The wording I would use is "I will start kicking for repeatedly posting entirely nonsensical messages"

El'endia Starman

@Mego Would still have to make sense in context.

trichoplax

@Geobits You mean you didn't screen capture...?

Kritixi Lithos

@Geobits I gave you your 9th star. But now you have 10

El'endia Starman

Maybe "I will start kicking for posting nothing but faces."?

Geobits

@trichoplax Not this time, no :(

trichoplax

16:26

I'll remove mine - oh no too late

All I can do is cancel all of them, which won't help unless you have 8 volunteers on hand

El'endia Starman

@trichoplax Perhaps Geobits could summon his octo-sock.

Geobits

I guess it's okay. I mean, I'd like to see it sit at 8 or get to 100 just because, but neither seems very likely.

Fatalize

@Geobits I just realized that my post contained it... now I feel dumb

Geobits

@Fatalize Nah. Most of us aren't robots :)

flawr

@Geobits Lies!

mınxomaτ

16:28

Yes we are all definitely humans and not robots, no sir.

Geobits

I didn't say none of us are robots.

Anonymous

I'm going back through all of my messages that have gotten stars

Anonymous

Aug 24 at 3:33, by Mego

...I just realized that the starboard is on the starboard side of the chat window. This makes me very satisfied.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Lol

Have an antenna hooked up to my computer

Currently listening to FM radio

mınxomaτ

Radical.

Anonymous

16:36

Gnarly.

Geobits

Tubular

El'endia Starman

Please don't let this become a surfer-slang chat...

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Weird, there's a bunch of descending tones from 1.57518105 GHz to 1.5751734 GHz

Geobits

I don't think I've ever had an FM radio that could tune into that freq.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

IDK

Might not actually exist

trichoplax

16:41

Do you mean Shepard tones?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

But yeah, my father says it's an expensive antenna

@trichoplax No, just a single tone that descends at higher frequencies

Geobits

1.575 ghz is GPS freqs

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Geobits ik, was looking for that

Geobits

Oh. Fair enough then :)

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Specifically, 1.57542 GHz

(Didn't find anything :/)

El'endia Starman

16:43

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Were you expecting human-decodable data? :P

Geobits

I'd be surprised if you did, since gps signals aren't audio.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@El'endiaStarman At least some blip

I only found that tone about 400 MHz below it

trichoplax

@Geobits You mean the "take the next left" is constructed client side?

betseg

no way :O

El'endia Starman

@trichoplax I remember joking with my friends about using a GPS at NASCAR races.

Geobits

16:48

@trichoplax Well sure, for shoddy commercial GPS. We had the hookup in the military >_>

flawr

I need to secretly register currentlybetweensites.com and post some bullshit there=)

betseg

17:22

How Brainfuck Works

►

^ was on my youtue recommended part

and i've almost never watched anything about programming

and yesterday i did some brainfuck googling

spooky

arda

@betseg myactivity.google.com/myactivity get spookt

betseg

i know that site

Kritixi Lithos

It shows that I wasted most of my time today

El'endia Starman

@arda That's cool.

arda

@El'endiaStarman that's scary.

betseg

17:28

call rms

arda

btw @mınxomaτ are you here?

I asked this some time ago

Nov 6 at 20:34, by arda

@mınxomaτ can I do something like, I currently have windows on another partition on my SSD. Can I boot to that through KVM, or do I need to do I separate installation?

and you said

Nov 6 at 20:35, by mınxomaτ

@arda Give me a second.

well I had to use windows again today and I really would love to just use kvm (I don't say I hate windows but I don't love it either), do you happen to know a way I can do the thing I asked above?

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