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8:00 PM
Pancakes
 
@feersum Installing updates is mandatory.
 
@NathanMerrill most likely both, he doesn't use the sandbox.
@quartata oh yeah. Pretty funny video.
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it's inquestion:qid Thanks though
 
@NathanMerrill I won't prefer it if all users would be required to use the sandbox.
If the custom code to enforce the Sandbox would be implemented, questions would need to be approved by a mod to get on the main site.
 
8:05 PM
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@zyabin101 why?
 
@dennis ur site borked ^^
 
that seems like overkill
 
Okay, we might implement a Sandbox review queue instead, then, but that would be useless.
 
@betseg works fine for me?
 
8:06 PM
Heh, I was considering writing a similar answer today. I suppose the cleanest way would be simply to have software support for the sandbox as it is right now, and then have a way of declaring a challenge ready which would "migrate" it to main. It would solve a lot of challenge quality problems if every challenge could only be posted to that before being sent to main after a few people have signed off on it. (If this was mandatory it would however also be necessary to separate challenges and non-challenge posts completely, because it doesn't make sense to post the latter to the sandbox.) — Martin Ender ♦ Feb 19 at 13:27
 
And we get the site empty of questions.
 
> inform them of the time this error occurred [...] More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
 
"a few people have signed off on it"
 
What page are you trying to load?
 
That is useless.
 
8:07 PM
it got fixed afterwards but still, borked for a second
 
I repeat,
 
> and the actions you are trying to do
 
I won't prefer if everyone was forced to use the Sandbox.
 
I actually agree with you, but I don't think its useless
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ye tru. @dennis i clicked a "try it on tio" link on ppcg and i got a 500
 
8:09 PM
Which link?
That might be the problem.
 
the sandbox process is much cleaner than close/commenting
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/92562/56721, but its ok now
 
Which answer?
Can't see which one on mobile.
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ oh ok, gs2
 
8:11 PM
I personally think that "skipping the sandbox" would (in the ideal world) be a rep privilege
 
i want 1 question updoot and 4 answer updoots so i can has 1111 rep
 
@NathanMerrill It would be best if it was a privilege based on rep from challenges.
 
@El'endiaStarman oooh, true
 
The new iPhone 7 has no headphones jack, LUL
 
you know, since we're in the ideal world
 
8:14 PM
Pfft, who needs a headphone jack? I only have 37 pairs of earbuds and 13 audio cables laying around that I could use with a headphone jack.
 
only $159 for earbuds!
what a deal!
 
soo inovative!
 
@Fatalize is this real????
 
@flawr Yes
and they only have 5 hours of autonomy
 
8:16 PM
well, I agree with everything going wireless, but when you need an adapter to split your power and USB, you know you're rushing things
 
@Fatalize To be fair, $159 for fully wireless earbuds isn't too egregious
 
@TimmyD With 5 hours of autonomy and such a godawful design I call that a joke
 
I dunno about wireless earbuds in general. Headphones sure, but earbuds falling out is enough of a hassle even when they have a tether. I can't imagine how much of a pain it'll be when they come out and slam the ground repeatedly.
 
"Breakthrough wireless design" dude you just took the old earbuds and cut the wires, that's it
 
8:18 PM
@Fatalize INNOVATION.
 
headphone plz no earbuds earbuds r evil
 
@Fatalize I bet they even get knots in their wireless connection.
 
@Geobits I've never had a problem with earbuds falling out
 
And the W1 chip manages battery life so well, you can listen for 5 hours on a single charge.
LMAO
 
@TùxCräftîñg wat i have earbuds on do i have evil inside my ears!?!
 
8:19 PM
maybe we're used to differently sized earbugs
 
Haha, what did I say?
> Wireless headphones. Finally untangled.
 
@NathanMerrill Huh, really? I hate them. Fine for when you're at a desk or something, but I can't use them at all jogging, or even walking half the time.
 
Yeah my wireless headphones always get tangled...
 
@betseg yes
 
@Geobits then my ears are in a nice shape :p
 
8:21 PM
Maybe I'm just old. Kids these days have evolved earbud-shaped earholes.
 
hey, I'm just glad they aren't over the ear earbuds
 
I'm not even sure those qualify as earbuds :P
 
@Geobits yeah, my parents put earbuds in my ears while growing up
so now, I can enjoy perfectly shaped earholes
 
And here I am, watching you all in amusement because earbuds are pointless for me. :P
 
@NathanMerrill No, I don't think so. The only way I can see a mandatory sandbox happening is by making it part of the software. In that case, I'd assume that the format of the sandbox would also differ slightly from a normal SE question. In particular, the ambiguous up/downvote could be replaced with an explicit "I think this challenge is ready to go to main" vote, and a small number of those (2 or 3 say) could enable the author to migrate the challenge to main whenever they're ready.
 
8:22 PM
@El'endiaStarman Well the earbudless wireless earbuds are $299
 
@Fatalize The stem things are microphones. Looks weird but seems a necessary component
 
@El'endiaStarman Ah, the advantages of being a cyborg ;)
 
@MartinEnder how do we ensure an efficient "review" process then??
 
@El'endiaStarman Do you have some kind of bluetooth connection or so directly to your device?
 
El is a cyborg?
 
8:23 PM
@Geobits As a matter of fact, if and when I get the next processor model, it has built-in Bluetooth if I recall correctly.
@TùxCräftîñg I have cochlear implants, so yes.
 
So that people can hack your implants and rick roll you from afar
 
@flawr Not without a special earhook.
 
@El'endiaStarman That sounds pretty sweet.
 
@El'endiaStarman Well do you have one?=)
 
@NathanMerrill I think if the sandbox was part of the software it would be more visible and people would likely check it more regularly to see what challenges are coming up. It could possibly even be integrated in the review queue.
 
8:24 PM
@flawr No. :(
 
@Geobits Same here. Plain plastic bulb earbuds never stay put
 
@El'endiaStarman Rigth this stuff is all probably expensive AF?
 
oh, we're talking plain plastic earbuds?
yeah, those fall out of my ears too
 
@Fatalize Really? I think 5 hours is an amazing amount of live usage in something that tiny. An easy comparison is a Jawbone or Jabra, which are monaural and bulkier, and they are between 5-10 hours of talk time.
 
That's what airpods appear to be
 
8:26 PM
@flawr Yeah. Though insurance generally covers most of the cost.
 
only downside for earbuds is they start to hurt after about 3 hours
 
yeah, airpods had better be step-resistant
 
@betseg At least you can be glad you don't have calluses on your ears. :P
 
because "I was running and I stepped on them" is going to be so common
 
Any Jelly-speaker active?
 
8:27 PM
theverge.com/2016/9/7/12838810/… wtf verge isnt worshipping apple
 
@Emigna another type of earbud?
;)
 
Haha, not exactly what I was looking for no :P
 
Eww, don't put jelly in your ears.
 
@mbomb007 Thanks! :) Funny that you took the effort to look them up in my profile. ;p (For anyone else wondering now: my Twisty Puzzles collection - the collection pictures are actually from a few months ago, I now have one more shelve, which is full again... Really need to make some new pictures, but still have a few puzzles scrambled after my scramble video in February.. Once and never again.. >.>) — Kevin Cruijssen 1 min ago
wow...
 
8:30 PM
@TùxCräftîñg That's silly. Why would I need help speaking to a Blue Jelly? My mace can do that just fine.
 
I have about 40 twisty puzzles at my parents house
 
@Fatalize must see!
@Fatalize any photos?
 
i have a 3x3x3 rubiks cube ._.
 
@betseg i have a 2x2 up to 5x5
 
@flawr I only have a 3x3 and a Gigaminx where I live
 
8:32 PM
@Fatalize I need to get a gigaminx=)
@Fatalize I do have a 3x3 egg shaped one
 
Oh this trick has to get me to the 2K mark...
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A: Noah's (upgraded) ark

Jonathan AllanPython, 54 bytes def f(s,l={}):x=s.lower();r=x not in l;l[x]=1;return r Test case is at ideone This borrows this neat idea from @gowrath, but extends it by using the fact that when a function is defined with a default argument that is mutable, like a dictionary, it acts as a memoisation (th...

 
@flawr takes ages to solve
 
but I keep geting stuck at some poitn.
 
:toots own horn:
 
I always just need to rotate a center piece in the end, but I just didn't find out so far how to do that.
 
8:33 PM
you should align the edges properly with the center instead of finding an alg to rotate centers, that's easier
 
@Fatalize I have no idea how to do that. And keeping track of what goes where is difficult enough with the egg shaped one=)
 
can do rubiks in one hand - either hand. Best fewest moves: 21 :o (lucky) average around 36-38?
3*3*3
 
@JonathanAllan wow, that is cool
(i mean the number of moves=)
 
Misspent youth :p
 
the Gigaminx is pretty easy to solve, though it takes me about an hour
mostly because there are so many edges to match
 
8:36 PM
most people are only impressed that you can do it, when you say how many face turns they switch off :p
 
Do you guys also like burr puzzles?
 
I've never even bothered to try any variants... I should probably get a 4*4*4, 5*5*5 and some n*m types...
 
@JonathanAllan If you can solve a 3x3x3 and a 4x4x4 it doesn't get any more difficult, just tedious
 
A mirror cube is fun since you can do it with eyes closed
 
ah is it only 4*4*4 that's got a difference, I thought it stopped at 5.
 
8:39 PM
@HelkaHomba mirror cube?
 
@HelkaHomba I can also do a 3x3 blindfolded, though I'm not 100% succesful all the time
 
but what about 3*3*3*3?
 
Oh blindfolded, I wanted to figure that out, but my memory is awful
@flawr yeah I've seen it
it's definitely got some difference, but is it only in spacial awareness?
there's a 20**4 somewhere too, no?
 
8:41 PM
@JonathanAllan if you can find the optimal solution you can memorize it. it will be 20 at the most
 
what about burr puzzles?
 
@flawr You certain? I though the 6x6 had some parity errors not present on 4x4
 
@betseg haha, memorize God's... I think that may take a little space.
 
@HelkaHomba No not entirely sure.
 
Though if you keep retrying you can get lucky and avoid them
 
8:42 PM
@JonathanAllan You should start with a 2x2, it's not that difficult and you use the same technique to solve the corners of a 3x3 blindfolded anyway
Solving a 3x3 blindfolded for the first time was really, really satisfying
 
> Solving a 3x3 for the first time was really, really satisfying
 
less than blindfolded
 
my Algebra 2 textbook has a typo that makes -3/4 regular 3/4. I wonder if there is a typeface that has the dash/negative sign raised up a bit.
 
yeah I think it stops at 5*5*5 or 6*6*6...
 
it's also more impressive to women, which might come in handy if they want to watch you solve one for 10 minutes
 
8:44 PM
So if anyone is interested in mechanical puzzles other than twisty puzzles, I have a small sub on reddit: /r/mechanicalpuzzles
 
Crossed out --- -3/4 --- is regular -3/4 (markdown fail)
 
And you're invited to join=)
 
@HelkaHomba cool=)
I prefer making puzzles from wood though=)
 
So do I tell Helka that it's a cool video, or Calvin? So confused...
 
8:55 PM
@Geobits calvin, definitely
Hm it is always the same, when your headphones get tangled
 
@Geobits Idk but you'd probably also like
I would still love to build an entire K'NEX computer the size of a gymnasium someday
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If I ever get rich someday I'll do it
 
@HelkaHomba I've seen one that used actual rotating devices (and was therefore easily reusable, even if loud due to the moving parts)
 
@HelkaHomba Hmm, what is a K'NEX? :3
 
A plastic construction toy like Lego or Erector
 
How does it have computing features? :3
 
9:10 PM
You make it have them, with mechanical-digital design!
 
software is an instruction manual telling you where to put the balls
 
@NathanMerrill Nobody's gonna tell me where I put my balls.
 
K'NES can have loops?
 
oh, yeah, if its gravity based...I don't think its possible
 
@TùxCräftîñg You'd have a motorized chain that constantly brings new balls up to advance the instruction pointer and such
 
9:15 PM
Yeah, you can do gear/shaft mechanics though
Makes it much simpler
 
this would lead to the most loud computer
 
(And yes, electric K'NEX motors are a thing)
> even if loud due to the moving parts
I saw a video with one once, can't remember the title though :(
 
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ Not always. Then friction/bad tolerances build up which makes long logic sequences difficult
 
@HelkaHomba It's been done before
 
Like I bet if you did make a "push/pull input and get instant output" Knex adder it would jam after 8 layers of bits
And have to be silky smooth otherwise
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ Have a link?
 
9:21 PM
> can't remember the title though :(
 
Dupe or not?
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Kevin CruijssenDo you write happy code? code-golfasciistring On multiple occasions I saw someone post an answer with code that contained happy/unhappy emoticons (can't find them anymore unfortunately..) Usually it's with MarioLANG, but I've also seen some other programming languages where people made comments...

 
@BetaDecay nice find. I'm not sure in this case, as the emoticons are different...but I'm not sure if that's a big enough difference
I'm not sure if the answers could be trivially modified to fit the new challenge
 
Hm, I'm not sure either
However, it is basically the same question with a minor change (not including the different emoticon set)
 
Can I get some more oppitions whether following challenge is worth persuing?
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

flawrSolve Grid-Tangram code-golfimage-processing This is just a rough outline under development, feel free to share thoughts! The Tangram is a dissection puzze made from seven shapes: Five different sized triangles, a parallelogram and a square. Given a shape, the goal is recreating the shape usin...

 
@flawr nice challenge number
 
9:28 PM
@NathanMerrill Haha, didn't even notice=)
 
@flawr I like it, it's definitely worth pursuing
 
I just still have the feeling that the tag is totally inappropriate
Because it would be more interesting on how people actually go about solving it.
would be a typical programming puzzle
 
@HelkaHomba ...wait a minute, you mean it's possible to build a K'Nex computer the size of the very earliest actual computers?
Why didn't those guys just use K'Nex?!
(Ignoring minor complications like the fact that they weren't invented yet.)
 
Clock cycles on the order of seconds?
 
halp
ruby dont have a max function
 
9:43 PM
You don't need a max function
 
irb(main):001:0> max
NameError: undefined local variable or method `max' for main:Object
        from (irb):1
        from C:/Ruby23/bin/irb:11:in `<main>'
irb(main):002:0> Math.max
NoMethodError: undefined method `max' for Math:Module
        from (irb):2
        from C:/Ruby23/bin/irb:11:in `<main>'
irb(main):003:0> maximum
NameError: undefined local variable or method `maximum' for main:Object
        from (irb):3
        from C:/Ruby23/bin/irb:11:in `<main>'
irb(main):004:0> abs
NameError: undefined local variable or method `abs' for main:Object
@BetaDecay ???
irb(main):001:0> [8, 4].max
=> 8
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
 
@TùxCräftîñg When I was young, we didn't have these min and max functions, we just had to us...
 
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Q: Faux Source Code

NonlinearFruitOutput one random character for each character of source code (as illustrated below). The probability of each character is its frequency in the original source code. Thus the output will be fake source code resembling a quine. Specification Restrictions Standard quine constrains apply. No em...

 
@El'endiaStarman Well, maybe :P The K'NEX computer would be wayyy slower. Though I'm confident an 8-bit adder-subtractor could fit in a 6x10x2 foot space and you don't need that much else for a risc processor
 
9:58 PM
@NewMainPosts this challenge would be better named "probabilistic quine"
 
@HelkaHomba A RISC processor? How are you getting output?
 
> RISC architecture is going to change everything.
 
@BetaDecay Read it off memory or have basic i/o ball queues. By "computer" I don't mean a display or anything
 
@El'endiaStarman
 
Hm... What about punch cards made of K-NEX? That should work
 
10:10 PM
(connect your A and your B with a ruler)
 
For the lot of us who don't understand Redcode: How is this a quine? — Dennis ♦ 23 mins ago
wat but redcode is simple
 
No
No it's not
 
@TùxCräftîñg Then at least link to an info page so people can learn about it
 
BASIC is simple, RedCode is just easier than assembly
 
10:12 PM
redcode is far easier than assembly
 
@TùxCräftîñg And it's kinda silly to expect everyone to be intimately familiar with every language you might deem simple
 
I'm not sure I understand, but that sounds like reading your own source code, which is forbidden. — Dennis ♦ 2 mins ago
 
@flawr Oooh, interesting.
 
Does the phrase "everything you need to know about X" irk you guys?
 
10:17 PM
Yes, definitely
 
Same
 
@HelkaHomba If nothing else, it tells me everything I need to know about the speaker.
 
@TùxCräftîñg I'm not sure how this is relevant
 
10:22 PM
@TùxCräftîñg I'm not sure how this is relevant
 
relevant to wat?
 
to the message you quoted
 
@HelkaHomba Clickbait irks me in general if that's what you're talking about. :P
 
someone know a ncurses-like lib for browser JS?
 
@Dennis - no way to put quotes in a string - I ended up using ordinals:
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A: Faux Source Code

Jonathan AllanJelly, 43 bytes I hope I have interpreted all the rules correctly (I'm not quite sure what the "carry payload" thing is in meta or if it's even relevant to this challenge). “8220;Ọ8221;ỌXµ437СḊ”ẋ2;8220Ọ;8221ỌXµ43СḊ Test it out at TryItOnline This constructs a string from which to choose ch...

 
10:34 PM
@clickbaitrobot
1,247 lines of code on a 10 y/o Mac that writes better ideas for articles than your favourite 'trending content' website https://t.co/qp7INUSf1f
4.8k tweets, 5.7k followers, following 2 users
 
Write A Punchline And Win A Toad: "Why Did Sony Cross The Road?" #Sony https://t.co/R5hJHwL3XP
._.
 
@TùxCräftîñg I think your bot kills itself...
 
my offenseless warrior (no datas or anything)
beat your warrior
 
ah yeah, it's a scanner
 
10:36 PM
once at least
 
and since the interval of the scanner is less than the size of the bot, it bomb itself after scanning the entire core
 
@BetaDecay Wow, a lot of these are NSFW.
 
@El'endiaStarman Twitter is a NSFW place and the bot is just collecting that :P
 
39 Peanuts You Absolutely Must See Before You Breathe Your Last, Final Breath #Peanuts https://t.co/58D2phg7Z5
 
I guess I'm fortunate to have rarely ever seen the NSFW side of Twitter... :P
 
10:37 PM
the best tweet of this bot
 
Only A True Enthusiast Of "Washcloths " Can Get More Than 55% In This Quiz #Washcloths https://t.co/6qGeAd85cF
^ Best tweet
 
my bot:
;name revimp
;author Destructible Watermelon


     mov 7,-10
     mov 7,-10
     mov 7,-10
     mov 7,-10
     mov 7,-10
     mov 7,-10
     mov 7,-10
     sne pos,chk
     jmp chk
     add #1,pos
     mov -4,@pos
     jmp -4
pos: dat #23,#0
chk: dat #30,#0
 
> 1,247 lines of code on a 10 y.o. Mac
PPCG, I think we can do better
CMC: Write a Clickbait-producing Twitter bot
 
smartbot annihilated your bot
second time
third
fourth
@DestructibleWatermelon wait is sne documented somewhere
 
10:43 PM
@TùxCräftîñg It runs Python commands
 
skip next instruction if values are not equal
 
sne is documented nowhere o_o
 
10:46 PM
also I'm not sure whether my bot functions properly
 
:O
this spec is more documented than the one i use
 
I can't tell which bot is mine and whether it's working....
52 your bot, 48 mine. no draws!
still no draws
seems to be about that score each time
oooh 50 50 this time
also you probably need to resist my bot if yuo want to be good bot
 
the funniest thing about my bot: the scanner is near useless, most of the games are win because the decoys overwrite the enemy
lol
 
OOOH I GOT MORE THIS TIME!
 
10:50 PM
maybe you should write another bot that doesn't have the scanner
 
brb writting evil bombing replicator
 
@BetaDecay void h(){String[]a={"bananas","muffins","tables","curtains","people"};System.out.prin‌​tln((int)(Math.random()*30+7)+" "+a[(int)(Math.random()*5)]+" you won't BELIEVE are actually "+a[(int)(Math.random()*5)]+"!");}
Posting these to twitter is left as an exercise for the reader.
> 34 people you won't BELIEVE are actually curtains!
 
hi
 
ಠ_ಠ
@betseg ih
 
@Geobits A quick glance suggests someone got there before you...
 
10:55 PM
> 12 bananas you won't BELIEVE are actually bananas!
 
@Geobits That's great :D
 
@trichoplax Yeah, I ripped that code straight from the Buzzfeed repo.
 
my question have 3 answers, one of them is me, one of them has a cube as profile picture. anyone else?!
 
I have a cube rotating program (done to teach my kid something about cycles), but modifying it for the required output felt like work :P
 
10:57 PM
What kind of cycles?
 
Do we have a challenge where the programs have to repeat each character twice? like iiff aa==bb
 
@Geobits you can output images if you want to
 
@BetaDecay Cycles as in "repeat the same sequence over and over until it returns to the starting position".
 
@HelkaHomba i think we do but i dont remember the name
 
@HelkaHomba == instead of ==== there bugs me for some reason :/
 
10:58 PM
@Geobits like this?
 
@Geobits Ohh I see
 

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