The Nineteenth Byte

Anonymous

7:06 AM

@Sherlock9 It makes me so happy that other people have learned my language well enough that I'm not the only source of information/explanations anymore :)

Leaky Nun

@Mego There's a language I learnt well enough but which nobody is interested in ;_;

ASCII-only

@LeakyNun Which one?

Leaky Nun

Brachylog

Discussions about the Brachylog language. github.com/JCumin/Br...

Anonymous

I'm interested in Brachylog, but I have no time to learn it anytime soon

Anonymous

Being a self-employed developer and being courted by Google takes up a fair bit of time

Leaky Nun

7:11 AM

I see

Fatalize

@LeakyNun I guess I don't count :p

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize Yes, because see the message immediately above.

Anonymous

@Vogel612 You 10k's and mods need to make up your gorram minds.

Fatalize

tbf quartata was mildly interested, and Markus Triska is interested but more for the Prolog implementation than the use of the language

Vogel612

@Mego um .... I ain't a mod ..

Anonymous

7:15 AM

Better?

Vogel612

bleargh ... yep

Still I ain't no mod.

Anonymous

10k's say mod flag it, mods say don't mod flag it... We really don't have any recourse for deing with obnoxious, obstructive users other than hoping a mod or room owner is similarly annoyed.

Vogel612

I offered an alternative.. read on

xnor

This is exactly what I expected of the chatiquette guidelines: unless there's some teeth to enforce them with, they are basically meaningless.

Leaky Nun

@xnor Is it even possible...

Anonymous

7:24 AM

@Vogel612 Your alternative was "add more room owners". What are we supposed to do in the interim, while we're deciding if we want more room owners, and if so, who they should be?

Vogel612

hey ... how should I know? Make some puns and use the mute button

Releasing Helium Nuclei

gm

Anonymous

The ignore button is not a solution to users blatantly violating the chat guidelines that we have set, by repeatedly harassing anyone who will respond to their pings.

Anonymous

The ignore button is a solution to a user bothering one person, not the entire chatroom.

Vogel612

'course not. But not doing nothing or incorrectly flagging is obviously not a solution either

as I see it the user in question is blatantly trolling / seeking for attention.

Don't feed the trolls.

muting helps with that

Anonymous

7:27 AM

Anonymous

I will continue to follow what the SE overlords have said in regards to chat flags.

Anonymous

Until such time that we have a better solution in place, I will continue to flag users who harass others. If you dislike that, then perhaps you should not be looking at chat flags, because that is exactly one of the reasons why we have them.

Vogel612

@Mego if the harrassment isn't that obvious, chatflags will continue to fail doing their job

While I agree with you, that's still not a working solution and it leaves everyone unhappy, except that user

Anonymous

Just look at the context of the flag. You should be doing that, anyway, unless it's immediately obvious that the message flag is valid.

Vogel612

Why did you think I even showed up in here?

of course I checked the context of the flag. But it didn't look valid in the immediate context

I can't be expected to know the history of every room on every site. It's just not feasible

2

Flags are not even remotely useful to deal with such cases, because they can't carry anywhere near enough context, even when the user handling them checks the immediate context

Anonymous

7:34 AM

So would you say that a mod flag with links to the chatiquette and a bookmarked conversation would be better?

Vogel612

moderator flags have a big box you can enter text into. That's already an improvement. The next improvement after that is empowered chat-regulars (RO)

@Mego sure. give as much context as possible to help the mod understand what's going on

the problem is that the mod-flags go to all mods in the network. And they also cannot be expected to know about the history of every room.

Mast

If you're looking for someone with moderator abilities in your chat room who's up to date with the chatiquette, appoint more regulars as RO.

Anonymous

Alright. I fully expect the next mod flag to be dismissed, even with all that context.

Anonymous

@Mast We're working on that.

Mast

RO can do exactly what you need, taking care of obnoxious users.

Anonymous

7:36 AM

It's just, that takes time, and we need some form of a solution now, even if it's just temporary.

Mast

Don't use mod flags for that.

Vogel612

@Mast relax. this has been regurgitated over and over for the last few days in here

Anonymous

2 mins ago, by Vogel612

@Mego sure. give as much context as possible to help the mod understand what's going on

Mast

I know, I've seen some of the flags here.

Anonymous

You just said to use mod flags for exactly that. Make up your mind, please. It's very frustrating to get a "yes" immediately followed by a "no" to a question.

Vogel612

7:38 AM

@Mego let's put it simple: People have different opinions about chat moderation ...

Leaky Nun

^

Vogel612

so you're going to hear different opinions.

TùxCräftîñg

oy

xnor

let's all mute CodeGolf and move on with our lives

it will be like a shadowban

Anonymous

There is a fundamental problem here: there is no effective way to alert the powers that be that there is a problem in a chatroom other than spam and blatantly offensive content. Constant harassment of users should be dealt with by using punitive measures, like a chat ban, not with people ignoring the user. By telling us to ignore problem users, you are essentially saying "it's your fault for listening to them." No. That's ridiculous. It's the fault of the user doing the harassment.

9

Vogel612

7:41 AM

@Mego you're completely right. and your first sentence already points to the root cause

Mast

It's your fault for not having RO, a perfectly capable defence mechanism against such users.

Don't blame the system if you don't use it's features.

xnor

@Mast we're working on it: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/9918/20260

Anonymous

So because there is no effective way to do so, I will do whatever I can to alert the powers that be that there is a problem that needs to be dealt with, until such time that an effective solution is implemented.

Vogel612

@Mast meh. They do have ROs. It's just that those ROs are mods and don't quite have the time to be present in chat always.

@Mego consider writing a feature-request for MSE

Mast

Yea, that doesn't work. You need non-mod RO as well, like we have at CR.

Anonymous

7:43 AM

@Mast To be fair, this problem only really got this bad recently (in the last few months). Previously, our (then 5) active mods/ROs were more than capable of keeping the room clean.

xnor

@Mast does CR enforce on-topicness in chat?

Mast

@xnor So keep working on that.

@xnor Only if there's site-specific discussion going on.

xnor

@Mast how does that work out?

Mast

If there is, off-topicness is thrown out.

xnor

as in, deleted?

Mast

7:43 AM

@xnor We got a 2nd room for the off-topic banter to be migrated to.

Vogel612

@xnor usually a polite reminder is enough.

Mast

For those who prefer to continue the discussion about whatever they talk about instead of joining the site-specific discussion.

Vogel612

also extremely long discussions are moved

xnor

i'm trying to imagine such a system here, but off-topic chatter is such a majority that it would feel weird to pause it for on-topic chatter

Vogel612

@xnor then you have a huge problem

Mast

7:44 AM

I'm not sure our rooms are that different in that regard.

xnor

rather, i've resorted to using a separate room for code-golf topics

Mast

But we manage to do it.

Vogel612

that's just wrong on so many levels.

xnor

@Vogel612 i agree, but that's what it is now

Vogel612

you shouldn't give up like that. You have at least 3 mods in your room regulars.

do a polite reminder, point to the chatiquette

if that doesn't work, ping one of the mods that's close by and ask them to step in

xnor

7:46 AM

i don't think we have community agreement on the nature of this chat

Vogel612

that is if you don't have ROs. otherwise that's a RO job

xnor

discussion is pretty divided: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/8771/20260

i think it could be enforced, but I imagine people who are used to the room as is might be unhappy

which, again, i'm ok with, but other may not be

well, thanks for the perspective

Leaky Nun

for(i=0;i<n;i++)for(j=0;j<n;j++);
for(i=0,j=0;i<n;j=-~j%n,i+=j<1?1:0);

doubly nested loop is still shorter in Java

Anonymous

@Vogel612 That's even less immediate of a solution than appointing more room owners. It's common knowledge that chat issues are very low on the priority list for SE. Just take a look at how many chat feature-requests on Meta.SE haven't even been acknowledged by the SE staff. They go back years. I have no confidence in the SE staff's ability to make meaningful improvements to chat in any reasonable timespan.

Vogel612

should that stop you from trying?

Leaky Nun

7:49 AM

CMC: guess what the below prints in Java:

		int a=1;
		a=a++;
		System.out.println(a);
		int b=1;
		b=++b;
		System.out.println(b);

Vogel612

@xnor and @all interested in chat-room moderation:

22

Q: How much idle chatter do we tolerate in The 2nd Monitor?

Related but not a duplicate: How far off-topic can we get in 'the 2nd monitor'? Today was a complicated day in the history of The 2nd Monitor. On one side there appears to be consensus something went wrong which should be handled. On the other side there appears to be disagreement about how muc...

TùxCräftîñg

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2

Anonymous

@Vogel612 Yes. Yes it should. Why would you scream until your throat is sore if you know that your complaints and requests are just going to fall on deaf ears?

Fatalize

1 and 2?

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg no

@Fatalize yes

Proof.

TùxCräftîñg

7:50 AM

i havent see the assignement >_>

Vogel612

@Mego I don't understand how writing one feature request once is "scream until your throat is sore"

TùxCräftîñg

what is the difference between a and an in english?

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg an precedes a vowel

xnor

i think you mean precedes

TùxCräftîñg

thx

Leaky Nun

7:53 AM

kind of like how un in French is pronounced as un+n

Fatalize

^^^

Leaky Nun

only that it is written out in English

Fatalize

I don't think it's perfectly true though

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize ?

Fatalize

I would write "an honest person"

Anonymous

7:54 AM

@Vogel612 You are misunderstanding what I mean. Barely any of our voices get heard. You can either just post the feature request and watch it drown in the noise of Meta.SE, or keep trying to get people to read it and support it ("scream until your throat is sore"). The end result is the same - nothing changes.

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize that is correct because h is silent there

(Don't tell me you pronounce the h)

Fatalize

I don't, that's why it's an

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize exactly, and in French although you write un homme, you still pronounce it like un nomme

Fatalize

sure

All in all you write "an" when it's followed by a vowel sound

Vogel612

@Mego meh. I disagree on that. Then again my feature-requests related to chat have been rather well-received :/

Anonymous

7:55 AM

I have no confidence in the SE team's ability to make meaningful improvements to the chat system. I have no reason to believe the FR will be acknowledged by the SE team, much less implemented, so why would I waste my time writing it?

Vogel612

I'm off for now, writing an exam in an hour

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize and pronounce it as such. Then why did you say that you don't think it's perfectly true

Fatalize

@LeakyNun "an precedes a vowel" is not perfectly true

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize 'honest' starts with a vowel

Vogel612

@Mego so that the idea can still be found, when the SE team gets around to it. Chat moderation has been a hot topic lately, now is the best time to write a FR pertaining to it

2

e.g. Room Owners recently got the ability to put rooms in timeout

Fatalize

7:57 AM

@LeakyNun h isn't a vowel. It starts with a vowel sound

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize I didn't say a vowel letter

Anonymous

Instead, I choose to lead by example: I acknowledge, respond to, and usually eventually implement the feature requests for my software.

Leaky Nun

I just said a vowel

Fatalize

vowel = vowel letter ≠ vowel sound

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize [citation needed]

Vogel612

7:57 AM

aand in the 2nd monitor I'd have kicked Fatalize and Leaky Nun by now

like ... ages ago, actually

meh. not my room, not my problem.

xnor

while off-topic, this discussion is better than many

Leaky Nun

@Vogel612 What is the problem? Oh, we talking about languages.

Eh, I talk about languages often in this room.

xnor

no memes or carets are being thrown about

Anonymous

@Vogel612 That's not Being Nice. Being Nice would have been saying "hey guys we're actually having a serious discussion here about on-topic issues, so could you take it elsewhere?" Please Be Nice to our users.

Leaky Nun

@xnor ^^

Vogel612

7:59 AM

I actually found that one funny.

Anonymous

I'm being completely serious. Being condescending is not nice, either.

Vogel612

kicking users is not such a big deal. it's just a one minute timeout. Nothing to fawn over.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

Hi folks, how long should I wait for accepting the winner answer in golf-code?

Anonymous

You are missing the point of what I said. You responded in a rude, completely inappropriate manner.

Fatalize

El'endia Starman speaks about languages often here and he's a mod

TùxCräftîñg

8:00 AM

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 don't accept at all

Leaky Nun

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 until the question is inactive, they say. Don't publicly declare that you will not accept answers, because there needs ot be a winning criterion. Although what you do and what you say are two things.

Anonymous

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 A week at minimum is the typical advice. I tend to wait until I have 5+ answers and it's been a week since the challenge was posted.

DerpfacePython

Is there any good way to compress ASCII in python?

Fatalize

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Hi, I personally wait about a week

Mast

@Fatalize That's not the problem. The problem is a more serious discussion is going on at he moment which should take precedence.

Vogel612

8:01 AM

@Mego so you want to tell me you can tell me my moderation style for a different chatroom as a hypothetical statement of what I would do is "not nice"?

DerpfacePython

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I usually wait a week.

Vogel612

because that is rather laughable in my eyes.

TùxCräftîñg

@DerpfacePython import lzma?

Fatalize

@Mast As if our 10 messages scattered in between your dicussion prevent you from holding said discussion

xnor

@DerpfacePython for golfing, or actual code?

Leaky Nun

8:02 AM

@Vogel612 is hypothetically not nice

DerpfacePython

@xnor For golfing.

Anonymous

@Vogel612 Saying "I would have kicked these two" is not nice, after not mentioning at all that there was a problem. Your statement was very rude.

xnor

@DerpfacePython one minute, i'll find a link to an example

Vogel612

@Mego and that exactly is the problem your room has. Nobody feels the necessity to bring up obvious problems with what's currently going on.

Anonymous

@Vogel612 There are better ways to do so than being hostile.

Vogel612

8:03 AM

It's not my place to bring that up, because I'm not a room regular (and frankly not interested in this discussion)

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

Well, I state in my post: "This is code-golf, so the shortest answer in bytes wins the challenge." Doesn't it imply I have to accept an answer, right?

Leaky Nun

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Yes, see what I explained above.

xnor

@DerpfacePython golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?Logolygon/rolf_1385848367&py

Vogel612

the point I'm trying to make is that I want to be helpful to you. Whether my statements are broken up by idle chatter is not relevant to me

DerpfacePython

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 It does, yes - you accept the answer after a given amount of time though.

xnor

8:04 AM

@DerpfacePython '...'.decode("zip")

Vogel612

this leads to the simple conclusion: If you (as room regular) want to lead a discusson, it's your job to remind the room that a discussion is going on

Anonymous

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 You don't have to accept an answer. We don't require that the winning answer be accepted (though that is customary). We merely require that the accepted answer be the winning answer.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

So there's no definitive amount of time but mostly we should wait at least a week

Vogel612

At this point you're just putting intentions into my statements that weren't there in the first place ;)

Anonymous

Like I said, I don't accept answers on my challenges if there aren't many answers, because it's not really "winning" if there are only a handful of other competitors.

Anonymous

8:06 AM

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Yes, exactly. Basically, you don't want to accept an answer too soon, but you won't ever be told that you accepted an answer too late.

Anonymous

Some of our users don't accept answers at all, because they want to emphasize that challenges are more of a competition within languages than between languages, and they feel that having only one checkmark undermines the competition within languages.

Fatalize

to be fair there is rarely much competition within languages

DerpfacePython

@xnor Not all the chars are < 255, though

Anonymous

Competition within languages doesn't mean multiple competing solutions in the same language - it means striving to find the optimal solution (whether it be shortest, fastest, or whatever) in a given language.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

@Mego I've always made a habit of accepting a good answer to my post on SE network as an appreciation. My parent told me to do so to the one who has been kind to me

Anonymous

8:11 AM

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 And that's a good habit to have on the Q&A sites on the SE network. However, PPCG is not a Q&A site, and "accepting an answer" doesn't mean the same thing here, so we won't fuss much if you don't accept an answer. It's entirely up to you, though.

Fatalize

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Multiple answers could usually be appreciated, and sometimes the winning one is not the most appreciable, unfortunately

So accepting answers is more about setting the winner than showing appreciation here

Anonymous

Accepting an answer means saying "this answer solved my problem". On PPCG, it's a requirement that every answer solves the posted challenge, and there's not a "problem" per se, so it has very different semantics here.

Syxer

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I normally wait a month or so. :P Then again, I typically wait too long according to others.

Leaky Nun

Is @Anastasiya-Romanova秀 the only girl here (if her icon is truthful)?

Fatalize

I don't even remember the challenges I posted one month ago

Syxer

8:15 AM

@Fatalize Question History is your friend. :D

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

OK, I get it folks

Fatalize

@LeakyNun Possibly but I'm not sure why that matters

wait

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize Just out of curiosity

Syxer

Also setting calendar notifications to make sure you actually accept it. >.>

TùxCräftîñg

there is also Lynn

Fatalize

8:16 AM

Lynn is a girl I'm pretty sure

TùxCräftîñg

ninja'd

Anonymous

@LeakyNun We don't really need to be asking everybody their respective genders. There's no reason why that information needs to be given here.

Leaky Nun

@Mego Just out of curiosity.

Syxer

Oh jeez I might have to ^^

Fatalize

@Syxer I already waste too much time here, I'm not gonna put PPCG related things in my calendar now!

Syxer

8:16 AM

@Fatalize >:D

Anonymous

@LeakyNun It's fine to be curious, but you shouldn't ask people for personal information. If they wanted you to know, they'd tell you.

DerpfacePython

I'm probs the youngest one here.

Syxer

@Downgoat ~If Cheddar compiles,~ you could have the short ending as .chdr, ~compiled ending as .cchdr~

TùxCräftîñg

the cheese is interpreted

DerpfacePython

@Syxer .cdr would be nice.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

8:18 AM

@LeakyNun Some users on SO said to change my ID to a man because there are many users there who hate feminists

Syxer

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 wow okay that's just wrong

TùxCräftîñg

... wat

DerpfacePython

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 How does that have to do with Feminism?

Anonymous

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Hate feminists or hate females? Either way, that's not your problem - we have mods that will deal with offensive users.

Leaky Nun

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Are all females feminists...

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

8:19 AM

Dunno

Syxer

plz report kthnxbye

DerpfacePython

It's a crazy, crazy world here

TùxCräftîñg

@Syxer i think you mean kthxbye

DerpfacePython

Argh I need a compresser that compresses ASCII to extended ASCII

Syxer

@TùxCräftîñg bah

DerpfacePython

8:19 AM

Which hopefully helps to reduce bytecount

Syxer

@DerpfacePython ...a decompresser?

TùxCräftîñg

v

DerpfacePython

@Syxer A compresser

Compresses code

Syxer

...extended ASCII is larger than ASCII.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

I've entered one of chat groups on SO and I found myself was mocked there

Fatalize

8:20 AM

@DerpfacePython Doubtful, there are very young people here

Syxer

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 flags are friends, not food

TùxCräftîñg

^

Anonymous

@DerpfacePython One simple way is compressing it down into 7-bit values and using bitshifting to extract the individual characters.

Fatalize

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Dumb people gonna be dumb

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

I chose to leave the chat room

Syxer

8:21 AM

just wow tho

DerpfacePython

@Mego Is there a module that does this in Python?

Syxer

I'd be flagging like it's my job lol

Anonymous

@Syxer I think they mean "takes an ASCII-only string and outputs a shorter string that can contain any single-byte value"

Syxer

@Mego ohhhhh

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

My first post on SO got lots of downvotes so I have to delete the question. I got a badge Peer Pressure' because of it

Anonymous

8:22 AM

@DerpfacePython I don't know if there is such a module in Python, but I could whip you up something really quickly

DerpfacePython

@Mego (make sure it's golfed!)

Syxer

lol "can haz codez plz"

Anonymous

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Most people's first posts get downvoted. It takes time to get used to how you're supposed to ask questions on SO.

Anonymous

@DerpfacePython But of course!

Fatalize

My first challenge on PPCG got a lot of upvotes, which is the main reason why I even stayed here

Syxer

8:23 AM

Any who off to test my new fan-dangled phone turned live USB device

Fatalize

though I lurked quite a bit before posting it to make sure it would fit

Syxer

.o/ @everyone

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

@Mego Just don't get it how I got downvotes. At that time, I've been around SE network for more than a year

TùxCräftîñg

idk if my way to create classes in JS is good

function Obj() {
    let _obj = {};
    _obj.n = 0;
    _obj.func = (function() {
        /* do evil stuff */
    }).bind(_obj);
    return _obj;
}

Syxer

wait where's @QPaysTaxes

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

8:25 AM

I was very new to programming & I asked very simple question about Phyton code, turned out they thought it was a silly question for them

Fatalize

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 In my experience SO is the SE site where upvotes and downvotes are the least meaningful

Leaky Nun

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 maybe they downvoted just because they don't like the question, instead of females?

Syxer

Didn't he say he was having an operation or something before he disappeared?

TùxCräftîñg

^^

Fatalize

SO doesn't like programming newbies in general

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

8:26 AM

@LeakyNun I thought like that after entering one of chat room there. Not because got downvoted

Leaky Nun

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Maybe those are two separate issues?

TùxCräftîñg

^^^

Syxer

Yeah no everyone's first post gets downvoted, unless you already know how people really expect questions to be like.

Fatalize

My first question on SO is downvoted

DerpfacePython

@Mego There's the zip encoding available

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

8:28 AM

@LeakyNun Yes, but I tried to learn about programming by myself at that time so I joined one of chatrooms there. One of user started mocking me and then others too

DerpfacePython

But there's problems with the decoding

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

Even if I didn't say a word

Just observe how users there interact each other

Fatalize

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Just forget that incident, these people are not worth your time.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

They started saying I got lots of reps on Math SE because I'm a girl

Fatalize

Unfortunately this is not really specific to SE, but the world in general

Anonymous

8:31 AM

Lots of trolls hang out in the SO chatrooms. They are not nearly as well-moderated as the SE chatrooms. I don't understand why they're still on two different networks, with two different sets of moderators.

Fatalize

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 The set of people saying this are most likely also in the set of people that wouldn't get a single one of your Math SE answers

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

@Fatalize Maybe it's easy for you but my family past experience makes us always worried

Fatalize

Sorry to hear that

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

@Fatalize After that accident I began to get a serial downvotes

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Stratego This is a KOTH challenge based on the popular board game Stratego. Rules Stratego is played on a 10x10 board which looks like this (starting position): 12345678910 A ********** B ********** C ********** D ********** E ..~~..~~.. F ..~~..~~.. G xxxxxxxxxx H xxxxxxxxxx I xxxxxxxxxx ...

DerpfacePython

8:35 AM

@mego Argh zip is so annoying

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

I've got lots of bad experiences on SE networks especially Math SE that made me take a sabbatical from visiting any SE networks

More than a year I left this site

Fatalize

Well that shows that you are not addicted to this site, which is more than I can say… help me

Leaky Nun

Does anyone here know Java?

Fatalize

@LeakyNun Yes

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize Right, you wrote Brachylog with Java

Fatalize

8:40 AM

@LeakyNun Stop reminding me, I am still ashamed

Leaky Nun

I am having problem in converting this from using a do...while loop to a for loop:

0

A: Numbers of purity

Java, 148 bytes int a(int n){if(n<2)return 0;int f=a(n-1),b,i,c;do{f++;for(b=1,i=1;i<n;i++)for(c=i==2?4:a(i);c>1;c=c%2>0?c*3+1:c/2)b=c==f?0:b;}while(b<1);return f;} Ideone it! (Warning: exponential complexity due to zero optimization.)

@Fatalize Ok, I'll remind you every day

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

I was very addicted. Every time I had a chance to go online, this was my first site to visit

TùxCräftîñg

@LeakyNun ? Brachylog is written in Prolog

Fatalize

@LeakyNun I thought you had a programming question, not a golfing question. Never golfed Java

@TùxCräftîñg The first parser was in Java

and it was terrible

TùxCräftîñg

ahk

Leaky Nun

8:42 AM

@Fatalize Ugh, using a for loop will be shorter

Anonymous

@DerpfacePython Here's how to do it (not golfed): gist.github.com/Mego/af2d00f037046e19d5d3d22076d5c209

Anonymous

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I glanced over some of your Math.SE posts, and you clearly know your stuff. Don't let the haters get you down. Just be glad that you can contribute such quality content to the network.

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize I mean, it is also a programming question

Anonymous

I'd wager that you'd enjoy talking to @El'endiaStarman when he's around. He's also very much a math nerd.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

@Mego My answer there is not very rigorous, but I like answering math problems

So there's no woman here?

Leaky Nun

8:48 AM

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 @Lynn is a girl

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

I find many female users on Math SE and Anime & Manga

TùxCräftîñg

the Node REPL is borked >_>

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

@LeakyNun Glad to know I'm not the one

Leaky Nun

@Mego do you have a list of people who use Actually a lot?

Let's leave this challenge for @Sherlock9 to solve.

Anonymous

@LeakyNun It's basically just me, you, and Sherlock

Leaky Nun

8:52 AM

@Mego Agreed?

mınxomaτ

@NathanMerrill Don't know the relase date of alwsl yet, as I'm very busy the next few days. But you can just watch the repo and get a notification once I attach a release tag.

Anonymous

@LeakyNun Sure, I'm not terribly interested in solving it myself

Anonymous

I found a cool thing and improved it a bit.

Anonymous

I will definitely be using it to make my life easier when creating the test cases for my sandboxed challenge.

Brachylog

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