The Nineteenth Byte

Fatalize

9:03 AM

I thought more people than that used Actually

Destructible Watermelon

hi!

muddyfish

hi!

Anonymous

Hey chatters, could you lend me your ~~ears~~ eyes for a moment? I need to test out a few Ishihara plates, and since I'm colorblind, I'm not the best test subject.

muddyfish

sure

Destructible Watermelon

kk

TùxCräftîñg

9:04 AM

k

Anonymous

Anonymous

What do you see on that plate?

TùxCräftîñg

M

Fatalize

a weird M

muddyfish

@Mego is it meant to be a number?

@Mego an M

Destructible Watermelon

9:05 AM

an m

Anonymous

It's an M, but supposedly only colorblind people are supposed to be able to see it. I'm not confident that part of the generator works.

muddyfish

@Mego It's definitely a bit darker than the rest of it

Anonymous

Also, telling me if you're colorblind (and if so, what kind) would be useful :P

muddyfish

@Mego As far as I'm aware I'm not colourblind ;)

Anonymous

@muddyfish Take a quick test to see :P

Destructible Watermelon

9:07 AM

I'm not colourblind probably.

muddyfish

@Mego It could also be a rotated 11

Anonymous

It's definitely an M. It looks weird because I drew it with a mouse :P

muddyfish

@Mego Apparently I'm not colourblind. Yay

Destructible Watermelon

also not colourblind

TùxCräftîñg

also not colorblind

Destructible Watermelon

9:10 AM

I want to see what happens if I pick nothing for each one

Fatalize

"Normal Color Vision" phew

Anonymous

Cool. I just got a different result from that test than what I normally do. It told me moderate protan, when I normally get diagnosed as moderate deuteran.

Destructible Watermelon

so it isn't reliable?

also it gets mad if you answer the first two no o.o

Anonymous

What about this plate?

Anonymous

TùxCräftîñg

9:11 AM

P

muddyfish

@Mego P

Fatalize

P

mınxomaτ

Well, I don't think a colour test by some company that sells correction lenses is really the way to go. But then again, I have no idea what a "proper" colour blindness test is supposed to be like.

@Mego There's P on your plate.

(sorry)

Anonymous

@DestructibleWatermelon It is reliable, but the Ishihara test sometimes struggles to distinguish protans from deuterans, because the symptoms are similar.

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ It's actually a really good Ishihara test - better than the original, for sure.

Destructible Watermelon

9:12 AM

Also, I can definitely see a p on the plate

muddyfish

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Q: Variable Prime "Twins"

I am 2/3 twins with my brother, i.e. born on the same day of the same month but twelve years later. When I was 5, he was 17, both primes; the last pair of ages we can reasonably count on is [71, 83] with both of us being alive and able to celebrate this coincidental jubilee. Task Create a cod...

Am I the only one who doesn't understand what the question is?

Syxer

So I just learned that my ISP is pissed at me now lol

mınxomaτ

I know that feeling.

Leaky Nun

@muddyfish Given separation and limit

find lower primes of the pair of primes separated by that separation

Adnan

@muddyfish Pretty clear to me

Leaky Nun

9:15 AM

lower prime below the limit

Anonymous

It was confusing to me the first several times I read it

Syxer

They're claiming I broke ^

Adnan

It's just a bit weirdly stated

Anonymous

TùxCräftîñg

H

Syxer

9:16 AM

@Mego Okay yeah I can see that lol

muddyfish

So it's asking for primes under n where i+k are also prime

H

Anonymous

That one I can barely see. If I hadn't drawn it myself, I don't know that I'd be able to distinguish it.

Anonymous

Last one for now:

Syxer

@Mego It stands out to me like a firecracker in nighttime

Anonymous

9:18 AM

Actually, make that second-to-last

TùxCräftîñg

N

Syxer

^

Anonymous

It just looks like a mess of colors to me

Fatalize

definitely an N

muddyfish

@Mego N?

Anonymous

9:19 AM

And now the last one:

muddyfish

Definitely not clear

Anonymous

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Q: Variable Prime "Twins"

I am 2/3 twins with my brother, i.e. born on the same day of the same month but twelve years later. When I was 5, he was 17, both primes; the last pair of ages we can reasonably count on is [71, 83] with both of us being alive and able to celebrate this coincidental jubilee. Task Create a cod...

code-golf primes

Fatalize

Nothing

Anonymous

(yes, N was correct for the last one)

muddyfish

9:20 AM

@Mego nothing!

TùxCräftîñg

mess of colors

Syxer

@Mego Nothin

Anonymous

Correct, I didn't draw anything on that plate

Syxer

@muddyfish Really? All of these are really clear to me. :(

Anonymous

Cool, so this generator works for all but the "colorblind-only" plates

Anonymous

9:25 AM

Thanks, people!

muddyfish

@Syxer The N is really kind of faded and it's not very distinct compared to the rest of it

Emigna

9:41 AM

@muddyfish I'd say the N is a lot clearer than the M and P are.

muddyfish

@Emigna Really? I thought the P was really clear

Emigna

@muddyfish That's the least clear to me. In terms of clearness: H->N->M->P

Interesting that we view this differently.

muddyfish

H->P->N-M

Fatalize

10:00 AM

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A: Smallest palindrome divisible by the input

2sable, 7 6 bytes [DÂQ#+ Explanation [ # infinite loop D # duplicate current number Â # bifurcate Q# # if the number is equal to its reverse, break loop + # add input # implicitly print Try it online Saved 1 byte by switching to 2sable as su...

What's the current opinion on people building small variants of languages and use either depending on the challenge?

Another example would be Jelly and M

More importantly, what's the opinion on people switching the language they use in an answer that they already posted and that got upvoted?

Emigna

Similar to all the BF derivatives maybe? Usually there's no point in having more than 1 similar language answer a challenge. Other than that I'm not sure. Making several similar languages could get out of hand.

Hmm, in general I'd say switching language is bad.

Fatalize

If the languages are really different, then it warrants another answer, and if they are almost the same, then it feels almost like cheating "let's just make two versions of my languages with different builtins and I'll use the one that fits the challenge"

@Emigna That's what you did though…

muddyfish

@Fatalize I wouldn't switch language in an answer you've already posted

Fatalize

@muddyfish It has been done in the answer I posted, which is why I asked

Emigna

In this case it felt OK to me to switch as the code is basically the same. Would be pretty unnecessary to post in both. Maybe that was wrong. Didn't think that long.

Fatalize

10:06 AM

Although you could argue if 05A1BE and 2sable are really different languages, but then that's my other point that it's kind of like circumventing the limited number of built-ins a language has by creating slight variations of one

Emigna

It would be bad if that became the norm for esolangs.

Fatalize

I can think of 05A1BE/2sable and Jelly/M that fit this description

Emigna

Yes. Maybe seriously/actually as well?

Fatalize

Actually is Seriously 2.0, unless I'm mistaken

The github repo is named Seriously but presents Actually

So in that case it's really the same language, it's just been renamed

Emigna

Ah ok, but they have an interpreter each on TIO for example.

DerpfacePython

10:11 AM

Haha, I created a solution for the Residue Number System question!

zyabin101

10:22 AM

Hello from Mom's phone :/

muddyfish

hi

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

10:45 AM

> Ais523 (Talk | contribs) blocked Soletur1970 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds

muddyfish

whoa?!?

oddly specific

Lynn

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Jeeez, that sounds like a profoundly crappy experience. I’m sorry you went through it :(

muddyfish

11:03 AM

I agree that SO has one of the weirdest voting policies - in this one easy [question](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39143336/is-there-a-better-way-to-write-out-this-long-or-statement) i literally got 4 upvotes in like 10 seconds - it was probably only worth maybe 1 or 2.

SO is weird

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

 2013  cabal install text
 2014  cabal install --reinstall text
 2015  cabal install --reinstall --force-reinstalls text
 2016  sudo cabal install --reinstall --force-reinstalls text

 2017  history
 2018  sudo cabal install comonad
 2019  ghc PureBF
 2020  ls
 2021  history

@TùxCräftîñg ^

Mitch Schwartz

is there any way i can see ColdGolf's deleted chat messages?

TùxCräftîñg

no

Mitch Schwartz

nobody took screenshots or anything?

muddyfish

@MitchSchwartz others have judged bad behaviour and have decided to make the posts invisible, you probably don't want to look at them (I haven't seen it either)

Mitch Schwartz

11:16 AM

i probably don't? i think i probably do

Leaky Nun

@MitchSchwartz if into the security recordings you go

"There is something I must know" - Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith

►

Mitch Schwartz

now that's real pain

mınxomaτ

The German Federal Intelligence Service just published a Reverse-Engineering challenge. If you can manage the german instructions, give it a try. It's fun.

TùxCräftîñg

exempt

Leaky Nun

@muddyfish Are you here?

muddyfish

11:27 AM

@LeakyNun yes

Leaky Nun

@muddyfish halp how find length of array

i search "length" and "size"

both to no avail

muddyfish

@LeakyNun oh noes

Leaky Nun

@muddyfish Don't tell me you don't even have length

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Q: How Can I Learn C Language Easily?

I'm Facing Trouble IN Learning C language Please Someone Help Me.

c

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Q: Its based on python language. Its a tennis puzzle

Python program that reads information about all the matches and compile the following statistics for each player: Number of best-of-5 set matches won Number of best-of-3 set matches won Number of sets won Number of games won Number of sets lost Number of games For instance, given the fol...

python

muddyfish

I'm not here anuymore

Leaky Nun

11:29 AM

@muddyfish Seriously

mınxomaτ

That would be really weird out of context.

> Don't tell me you don't even have length

Fatalize

Good, LeakyNun found another language creator to complain about missing features :p

Leaky Nun

How have you survived all these days without a function for length @muddyfish

Jonathan Allan

next time "they" show up, everyone just repeat "Go air your issues elsewhere please."

trichoplax

@mınxomaτ Sounds like a weird 0 dimensional sequel to Flatland...

mınxomaτ

11:33 AM

Well, I guess that works, too.

muddyfish

@LeakyNun are you actually being serious? My language has a function for length

I thought you were making fun of the C guy

Leaky Nun

@muddyfish .... I said I searched for "length" and "size" and can't find it

muddyfish

Len

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Q: Highlight the Bounding Box, Part I: Cartesian Grid

You're given a rectangular grid of the characters . and #, like this: .......... ..#....... ....#..#.. ...#...... .......... Your task is to fill the entire axis-aligned bounding box of the # with further #: .......... ..######.. ..######.. ..######.. .......... The axis-aligned bounding bo...

code-golf ascii-art grid

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Q: Draw the Union Jack

Preface There are many "draw x flag" challenges, and upon searching it turns out there are no challenges to draw the union Jack! I feel like this would be a harder flag to draw but it should still be possible. Challenge Draw the Union Jack. It can be outputted to a file, drawn onto the screen ...

code-golf graphical-output

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Q: Creating a Crossed Square

Creating a Crossed Square You are to take input of an integer of three or more and output a square made of any printable character of your choice with a diagonal cross through the centre. The general idea is for the output to be a hollow square that has a diagonal cross through it.: Input: 7 O...

code-golf

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@muddyfish ಠ_ಠ

Leaky Nun

11:41 AM

@muddyfish using length costs one more byte :o

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

CMC: Construct the entirety of all Star Wars movies out of YouTube scene videos

Fatalize

@Mego How do you pronounce your nickname? Mee-go? Muh-go?

muddyfish

@LeakyNun Yeah I've been meaning to change that for ages but it would break loads of old code

SuperJedi224

12:02 PM

Hi

TùxCräftîñg

hi

muddyfish

hi

Releasing Helium Nuclei

hi

Adnan

hi

TùxCräftîñg

.>+::=.+>
->+::=>
+>+::=++>
+>-::=>
->-::=-->
.>-::=.->
>.::=<
+<::=<*
-<::=≤*
-≤::=≤*
.<::=
.≤::=-

interpreter for a really simple language in thue

Releasing Helium Nuclei

12:12 PM

looks like brainfuck, a lot

TùxCräftîñg

take input like .>program. where program is a succesion of + and -

and leave output in unary with - at the start if the number is negative

Mitch Schwartz

can someone point me to something that ColdGolf did that isn't deleted that i should definitely feel negative about?

in the chat

i see when he turned his bot on, but i don't really see how his bot is worse than a "hi" train or a caret train or some cat pictures

i mean, obv he shouldn't do it again, but like, it seems somehow not extremely out of character to me

for this chat

Emigna

@MitchSchwartz I haven't seen the deleted messages but of what I have seen it seems that he got off to a bad start with a lot of people and so they react harder to him saying things than if someone they'd liked and had known longer would have said the same.

SuperJedi224

1080/1220

muddyfish

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Q: Should we have additional room owners?

Currently our main chatroom, The Nineteenth Byte, has only the 4 PPCG moderators as room owners. Since the chatiquette is not applicable to other Stack Exchange sites, using chat flags for breaches of chatiquette which are not also network-wide offenses is problematic - wasting the time of 10k us...

discussion chat

Also does anyone know why github would give this error message for https clones?:
Permission denied (publickey).
fatal: Could not read from remote repository.

Releasing Helium Nuclei

12:26 PM

didnt give errors for me

muddyfish

I know, it only happens on one of my computers, I think I have a config error

@muddyfish it was a problem with a proxy, changing to http fixed it (even though I was getting MITM'd)

Sherlock9

@LeakyNun I haven't the faintest idea where to start on that one :D

Business Cat

@MitchSchwartz It's worse because it kept pinging everybody for no reason whatsoever

Sherlock9

@LeakyNun Yeah, but inside M over a range, the only element in the stack is the integer I'm using at the moment (there was something in the notes about a temporary stack)

Mitch Schwartz

@BusinessCat ok so like 0.00001% worse

muddyfish

12:43 PM

@MitchSchwartz No, really everybody - they asked me what my favourite type of cheese was when I was afk

Geobits

I'm not sure if there is a single (undeleted) "you-should-hate-this" message. That's the problem with deletion. After the fact, it looks harsh, because you don't have the context. There are a whole lot of deleted messages, though.

Poke

I think the problem is that this room is branded as being for "General discussion for codegolf". I think that some people assume this means it's a general chat for codegolf users while others are under the impression that it's general golfing-related discussion. A few of the problems I've seen recently could potentially be solved by having a dedicated space for general discussion.

Obviously there are still cases of people spamming but what is considered to be spam will be different based on the enforced topic of the room.

TùxCräftîñg

TIL there is a language named GitHub

Mitch Schwartz

@muddyfish i saw that, and i don't change my assessment. a chat full of garbage vs a chat full of garbage with pings aren't really that different to me. i don't take this ping thing very seriously. for example Lembik's ping usage seemed strange to me but didn't bother me

muddyfish

@MitchSchwartz spam

that seem useful?

Mitch Schwartz

12:50 PM

and a "hi" train is not spam?

muddyfish

especially as a notification in your inbox?

Mitch Schwartz

you have not changed my feelings

muddyfish

I won't try any further then

Geobits

To be fair, when I asked Lembik to stop pinging me on every message, he did. He didn't just keep on going with it.

Leaky Nun

@Sherlock9 Just look at other languages' approaches

Mitch Schwartz

12:59 PM

i don't think it's at all central to the point, but the afk part seems misleading, as the bot was clearly responding to very recent posts, and the cheese question was right after this one chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31885757#31885757 (i don't think it changes anything regarding pings tho)

TùxCräftîñg

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A: Smallest palindrome divisible by the input

http://mybestfreebies.com/freebies/disney-movies-get-monsters-inc-movie-free is One Of The Top Websites Where You Can Find The Latest Free Samples + Coupons, Freebies And The Best Sweepstakes!

flagit

muddyfish

@MitchSchwartz I didn't know that was even a bot

Business Cat

But I want freebies!

SuperJedi224

Just pushed a minor update to ForceLang.

muddyfish

@TùxCräftîñg thanks

Geobits

1:00 PM

@TùxCräftîñg Can I down/delete vote instead? Seems more effctive that way :P

Business Cat

I got ninja'd by it getting deleted

RIP

muddyfish

@Geobits flag as spam downvote and delete

Adnan

no, don't delete

just flag as spam

Geobits

Probably a bit too late now.

Adnan

Oh nevermind then :p

muddyfish

1:02 PM

why shouldn't you delete as well as flag as spam?

Adnan

Feb 14 at 19:40, by Dennis

@Downgoat @Adnan Please do not vote to delete spam. If the Community user deletes it because of spam flags, the post is automatically edited and locked. That does not happen if you manage to delete it by conventional means.

muddyfish

@Adnan so lock it manually?

Geobits

Good to know, makes sense.

Adnan

@muddyfish It's not locked now, it's just deleted

muddyfish

undelete and then flag as spam again :)?

Geobits

1:03 PM

Yeah, it didn't get the "this post has been deleted, click here to see contents" bit it would have if it was spam-flagged.

Business Cat

Oh wow, I found the solution to my Retina problem from yesterday...

TimmyD

To lighten the mood a bit, here's a joke:

Geobits

But I really would like some freebies. I mean, Monsters Inc? Talk about a great movie, and at no cost? Sign me up!

TimmyD

What's the most common language in programming? Profanity.

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SuperJedi224

So has anyone else written any custom modules for ForceLang yet?

TùxCräftîñg

1:09 PM

.java

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Q: ( ! ) Notice: Undefined index: usr in C:\wamp\www\Cocolani\php\req\plogin.php on line 11

I have 2 problems in fie "plogin.php", The problem is : ( ! ) Notice: Undefined index: usr in C:\wamp\www\Cocolani\php\req\plogin.php on line 11 and ( ! ) Notice: Undefined variable: usr in C:\wamp\www\Cocolani\php\req\plogin.php on line 18 plogin.php : <data> <acct> <?php include_o...

php

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ_____________________ಠ

DJMcMayhem

Eleven plez?

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Q: Compact a list of numbers

Inspired by Using LaTeX to compact a list of numbers, this challenge is to output a compact list of numbers, given a range, as follows: Input: 1,2, 3,4,5,8,11, 12,13 Output: 1-5, 8, 11-13 Input: 20,21,45,56,75, 76,77,78 Output: 20-21, 45, 56, 75-78 Input: 4,5 Output: 4-5 Input is always comm...

code-golf string

SuperJedi224

I'm currently writing a 16-bit brainf*** module

DJMcMayhem

1:21 PM

Also, good morning TNB!

SuperJedi224

@DJMcMayhem Good morning

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

@Lynn Compared to what my family has been through before I was born, it's nothing

Leaky Nun

Argh, people who censor "brainfuck".

@DJMcMayhem Your forte can be used now in this challenge.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Strict Music Interval Describer Although we have the Music Interval Solver it committed the cardinal sin of not providing the note names, leaving you to guess the correct name of the interval. The name of an interval can always be determined from the inclusive number of note names, excluding ac...

SuperJedi224

1:39 PM

Also I just had to fix the StdLib code for ForceLang again because I just realized I was using the wrong kinds of exceptions in some places.

DJMcMayhem

@LeakyNun Ooh, fun!

Leaky Nun

@DJMcMayhem let's compete. after you post your answer i'll start working on pyth

DJMcMayhem

I doubt I'll be able to beat you

Leaky Nun

but your language is specifically designed for strings...

DJMcMayhem

I'm guessing vim would be over 40 and V will be at least 25-30

I'm also not in an extremely competitive mood right now. Just woke up

Leaky Nun

1:43 PM

Alright

DJMcMayhem

Lol, I didn't even golf my last vim answer. Off the top of my head I can take 2 bytes off, and if I redesign it I could take like 10 off but I was too tired to do it last night. I even had a gif I could have posted

TùxCräftîñg

esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox

ಠ¯ಠ

DJMcMayhem

@LeakyNun I'd help you come up with a V answer, if you want

Leaky Nun

@DJMcMayhem ??

DJMcMayhem

I'm trying to get other people hooked, so if you'd like to post an answer in V, I'd help you figure it out

Leaky Nun

1:49 PM

No thanks xp

SuperJedi224

cons bf require brainforce
bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.

DJMcMayhem

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A: Should we have additional room owners?

Absolutely We have a very active chat room. Many users actively participate in TNB without even participating in PPCG. It's also the best way to be introduced to our community. For example, I participated on the site only just a little until I started hanging out on TNB and getting to know the u...

3

Dang. 15 votes in 12 hours

I didn't realize there were that many people on meta

Sherlock9

@LeakyNun This doesn't work with floats for some reason

Leaky Nun

@Sherlock9 why would you expect it to?

Sherlock9

nCr returns floats for some reason

Leaky Nun

1:53 PM

then round it down/off

Sherlock9

Fair enough

Business Cat

It returns floats? What the hell?

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Leaky Nun

brb looking into source code

SuperJedi224

I think I'm finished writing the module

package brainforce;

import lang.*;
import lang.exceptions.IllegalInvocationException;

import java.util.*;

public class Main {
	static class BrainforceException extends IllegalInvocationException{

		public BrainforceException(String name) {
			super(name);
		}

	}
	static boolean autoReset=true;
	static boolean output=true;
	static short[]data=new short[10000];
	static Queue<Character>queue=new LinkedList<>();
	static int pointer=0;
	static FString run(String code){
		StringBuilder s=new StringBuilder();

Business Cat

How on earth did I get 3 stars for that?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

1:57 PM

@Downgoat some different options for string modification. Realise that they are "effectivelly immutable" so whenever you modify them you use expensive operations to throw away the string, but it can always be done like this.
String a = "foo"
String a+="bar"
System.out.println(a);//prints foobar\n
System.out.println(a.substring(0,4));//prints out foob zero indexed

Downgoat

@RohanJhunjhunwala :O JS has substring too!

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@SuperJedi224 whoops

fixed

@Downgoat also you can use reflection

Consdider this stack overflow post...

Downgoat

@SuperJedi224 what does import until.* mean

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