The Nineteenth Byte

Adnan

18:00

@Dennis Hahaha

Sneaky byte golfing

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

link?

Dennis

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A: Can you outgolf me? (Robbers section)

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Eh, Signing in will always be optional, but how would you prefer to authenticate on TIO? isn't getting a strong favorite. I might have to implement both. ._.

quartata

Neither are really preferable

What would the account be for exactly?

Maltysen

@Dennis dedicated accounts are painful, though

for both parties

quartata

Google sign-in sucks

Hence neither option being preferable

Dennis

18:10

@quartata To edit the code of your server-side permalinks.

quartata

Seems like a long-lasting cookie would be sufficient

I think ideone does that too

trichoplax

@Dennis If they select "dedicated TIO account", just redirect them to the page to set up a Google account, so they can set up one just for TIO

Dennis

@quartata Hence optional. If you ever clear your browser cache, you'll lose it though. And you won't be able to edit it from another browser/device.

quartata

eh

mınxomaτ

Anyone here with Batchfile/PowerShell experience?

TùxCräftîñg

18:12

me

mınxomaτ

I have a program xyz.exe that prompts the user (y/n). However, neither piping "y" (echo y| xyz.exe) from std nor from a file (xyz.exe < y.txt) produces an actual answer.

TùxCräftîñg

brb testing

mınxomaτ

I think this is caused by some kind of delay. In that case I would need to hook the process std to interact. But I have no idea how to do that in batch.

trichoplax

Does the user need to type just "y", or "y\n" (y with a newline)?

TùxCräftîñg

works for me

mınxomaτ

18:16

@TùxCräftîñg I know that this usually works. But here it doesn't.

@trichoplax y and newline. I've tried that ofc.

TùxCräftîñg

weird

Dennis

@quartata If you have a suggestion, I'm all ears. I'd like to create an option that people would actually want to use. Every time someone forks instead of editing, I lose a bit of disk space.

mınxomaτ

It's a standard CLI PE32, not an MSIL assembly. So in theory this should really work.

quartata

@Dennis Local storage would be slightly better than cookies since usually it isn't cleared

TùxCräftîñg

i tried with a python program, brb trying with a actual C program

mınxomaτ

18:18

AFAIK the program is VC++ compiled.

TùxCräftîñg

i dont have this horror on my computer to text

but i think it should be the same behaviour GCC-compiled

mınxomaτ

Don't think so. Because GCC on windows links it's own libs static, while VC uses the CRT.

Dennis

@quartata Point taken, but I'll still have to fork if I edit answer I posted from my phone.

TùxCräftîñg

ah >_>

trichoplax

@Dennis If the code is always short enough, could you encode it directly in the URI? That wouldn't allow editing without also editing the link in the PPCG post, but would that allow you to avoid dedicating disk space to it?

Dennis

18:22

@trichoplax That's what I'm currently doing (without the server-side option). It requires updating the link every time you edit your code though.

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@mınxomaτ GNU Coreutil yes is the answer

mınxomaτ

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei No it isn't.

Maltysen

@mınxomaτ "yes" it is

badum tsss

TùxCräftîñg

._.

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yes | program

mınxomaτ

18:24

Hm, just disassembled the program. It seems to refuse any pipe or redir...

TùxCräftîñg

huh

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Oh well...

mınxomaτ

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei I already told you that piping didn't work. It doesn't matter what generates the "yes".

Now I need some way to send keystrokes to windows with batch...

trichoplax

@Dennis Is it worth a poll to see whether people would prefer the way it currently is or updating but needing a Google account? They'd still need to update both the PPCG post and TIO, right?

Maltysen

@mınxomaτ maybe ^D is also being sent or something?

mınxomaτ

18:26

No.

TùxCräftîñg

i think you must use some weird driver manipulations

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@mınxomaτ i sent the message before you said piping doesn't work? Or is chat borking?

mınxomaτ

> However, neither piping "y" (echo y| xyz.exe) from std

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@mınxomaτ yes isn't just one y, i though that could be the problem

mınxomaτ

There is just one prompt. No need for more "y". Also I need the next prompt to be answered with "n".

The program has a /y switch, but that just plows through everything.

TùxCräftîñg

18:29

~~AHHHH BATCH SWITCHES~~

Dennis

@trichoplax I'm not replacing the current scheme. Both URI and sever permalinks will be available.

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@TùxCräftîñg Halp how do i strikethrough

TùxCräftîñg

---halp---

or <s>halp</s> on the site

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~~does it work~~

Wow it does

trichoplax

@Dennis Ah I see. The exact choice of method seems slightly less important then - hopefully less pressure...

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18:36

My language haz printing strings and single chars and storing single chars. What should i implement next? there are lots of things, but I dunno where to start

Dennis

If there's no strong favorite, I'll probably go with dedicated accounts. I think more people would refuse to create a Google account than a TIO account.

feersum

@mınxomaτ It could be using console input functions rather than reading from stdin.

TùxCräftîñg

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei making your code better?

mınxomaτ

@feersum Yeah, I'm trying to hook it somehow now.

TùxCräftîñg

like creating a parse function taking a string as input to reuse it

for funcʈiøηs

Dennis

18:38

I'm also not exactly pleased with the idea of including some Google-controlled JS in my website.

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@TùxCräftîñg i thought you meant **argv :D

TùxCräftîñg

and argv too

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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;_;

TùxCräftîñg

and it look more like a painful to use esolang than a golf lang

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Ye tru

TùxCräftîñg

18:40

rH0re1rl2ro3r,4r 5rW6rr7rd8r!9p!0p!1p!2p!2p!3p!3p!4p!5p!6p!3p!7p!2p!8p!9 wtf is this horror srs

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Gonna change readme

TùxCräftîñg

> betseg committed on GitHub ye

ಠ_ಠ

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github.com/betseg/bs/commit/…

TùxCräftîñg

idea: please commit with meaningful commit messages

github.com/tuxcrafting/neoscript/commit/…

...

Downgoat

^^^

echo '#!/usr/bin/env node' > $2
echo "with (require('$STDLIBPATH')) {" >> $2
node $NEOSCRIPTPATH $1 >> $2
echo '}' >> $2

10/10 best code generation

TùxCräftîñg

18:45

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

mınxomaτ

@feersum Further RE revealed it uses a different ConsoleMode :/

But that's good news, since I can just patch the binary.

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@TùxCräftîñg ok i will

> :D

TùxCräftîñg

u know, it's the first release

github.com/vihanb/OEIS-Lookup/commit/…

Downgoat

@TùxCräftîñg :| that was long time ago

TùxCräftîñg

heh

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18:53

@Downgoat my v1 was like printf("int main(){");/*other things*/printf("return 0;}");

Downgoat

.__________.

TùxCräftîñg

but the :D commit i never forgived

Downgoat

you should be generating an CST and from there translating that to string

TùxCräftîñg

guys at CR are evil

they say golfed code is bad

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boooo

Downgoat

18:55

^^^ I called them evil code reviewrs but riker commented it otu

Bernard Meurer

Any Makefile ninjas lurking around?

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i do Makefiles but i wouldn't call myself a ninja

Downgoat

@BernardMeurer i know how to makefile but im still shit ninja at makefile

TùxCräftîñg

^

Bernard Meurer

Well maybe y'all can give me a hand

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18:57

✋

Bernard Meurer

I grabbed this from the project I'm modifying right

Well, sweet, it works just fine

feersum

All the kids in here are usually up with the shiniest new technologies so I'm always surprised how many of them use the primitive, archaic make.

TùxCräftîñg

i mainly use cmake

Bernard Meurer

But assembly is kind of a pain so I'm moving to C which is nice and high level

TùxCräftîñg

which generate makefiles...

feersum

18:58

Me too, but you can generate many other things instead of makefiles.

TùxCräftîñg

the kernel use C...

Downgoat

@feersum wat why is make archaic

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i write my Makefiles by hand, like a Real programmer (plz summon the relevant xkcd)

Downgoat

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

yw

Bernard Meurer

I have a modified version of that same makefile for a kernel written in Rust

github.com/phil-opp/blog_os/blob/set_up_rust/Makefile

Downgoat

18:59

:31805558 haha ninja'd

TùxCräftîñg

ninja'd because of shitty connection

Bernard Meurer

I know that to compile my kernel.c I need gcc -c kernel.c -o kernel.o -std=gnu99 -ffreestanding -O2 -Wall -Wextra

But how the heck do I add that to my makefile?

TùxCräftîñg

(and because of uncooperative browser)

Downgoat

@BernardMeurer under which target? wat

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> kernel written in Rust

ಠ_ಠ

TùxCräftîñg

19:00

Redox

github.com/redox-os/redox

Bernard Meurer

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei Yeah, it's p cool

TùxCräftîñg

a OS written entirely in rust

Bernard Meurer

@Downgoat Is lost

TùxCräftîñg

(obviously there is some asm code)

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@TùxCräftîñg well, there's Node OS, Linux kernel + Node.js

TùxCräftîñg

19:01

github.com/vihanb/Number.js

dont make joke with daft punk

Bernard Meurer

@TùxCräftîñg Apart from getting into protected/long mode you shouldn't need much more assembly

TùxCräftîñg

ik

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gitlab.com/betseg/kahve/tree/master

Downgoat

huh?

TùxCräftîñg

u gitlab?

Downgoat

19:03

no

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@TùxCräftîñg ye

TùxCräftîñg

@Downgoat Currently negative numbers are not supported.

so explain me this

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Q: Quick Golf: What's on TV?

Challenge Write a program which, using the XML data from the site here, display the name of the programme which is currently showing on BBC 1. Information All times are given at London time (GMT+1 at the time of posting and GMT+0 after the 30th October). Each programme is given a start and e...

Downgoat

becus u gotta use integer wrapper for negatives

TùxCräftîñg

ah

Downgoat

19:10

though it might be borked idk

gtg gotta write essay

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19:21

i.reddituploads.com/…

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> "S***, did we just send that notification to everyone?" - some dev, probably

TùxCräftîñg

ı hαvε crεαʈεđ α $crıpʈ ʈø 1337ıƒγ α $ʈrıηg

trichoplax

@TùxCräftîñg Now we'll have no way of telling who is genuinely 1337...

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@TùxCräftîñg is it like sed -e 's/[Ll]/1/g' etc etc

TùxCräftîñg

basically

github.com/vihanb/SEChatbot/pull/2

brb || bbaaut

Downgoat

question: is there better word for astoundedness

trichoplax

19:35

amazification?

amazifiedness

Bernard Meurer

How do you checkout to a tag?

trichoplax

What do you mean by checkout?

Bernard Meurer

github.com/phil-opp/blog_os/tree/entering_longmode

I need to get this repo to this state

trichoplax

Oh you mean a github tag?

Bernard Meurer

Yeah

trichoplax

19:36

I thought you meant like code-golf

Bernard Meurer

Ah, lol

trichoplax

I don't know much about git or github but lots of people here do

Downgoat

@trichoplax i dont think i can use that on essay

@BernardMeurer git checkout <tag>?

trichoplax

@Downgoat Oh, lol, it's not for a challenge? I'll rethink...

@Downgoat Something like awe?

Bernard Meurer

espaco@Arch ~/f/blog_os> git checkout  entering-longmode
error: pathspec 'entering-longmode' did not match any file(s) known to git.

@Downgoat :/

I had tried that already

Downgoat

19:39

do a git tag

your git is borked :/ otherwise

Bernard Meurer

I see entering_longmode there

Downgoat

hm. try git checkout tags/entering-longmode

trichoplax

You can use "awe" both for "astound", and "astoundedness" - "awe" works as a verb or a noun.

Bernard Meurer

espaco@Arch ~/f/blog_os> git checkout tags/entering-longmode
error: pathspec 'tags/entering-longmode' did not match any file(s) known to git.

Downgoat

@trichoplax oh that's good tyvm

Bernard Meurer

19:41

Noop

trichoplax

@Downgoat yvw:)

Downgoat

@BernardMeurer idk, do git fetch? no idea why thats happening

Bernard Meurer

HA

HAHAHAHA

_ not -

Downgoat

...

TùxCräftîñg

bαcκ

is Chatgoat active somewhere?

Downgoat

19:51

no but i can start him if you want

quartata

@Dennis Maybe you could have a unique edit token for each permalink

Having to save something to edit it seems like a lot of effort

Dennis

I'm not following.

quartata

Like, if you have tryitonline.net/run/ID, you could also have tryitonline.net/edit/PRIVATE_ID

Downgoat

@Dennis idea: do what regex101 does, when someone wants to make a change, you save a "revision" instead, you can reference first revision, latest revision, etc.

quartata

@Downgoat That's forking

And his point is that eats up disk space

Dennis

19:59

^

quartata

He needs a direct method to edit

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