@BaldBantha then use ubuntu, it has all of those

That's just because GNOME 3 is bad

OK, not bad. I could envision it on a tablet

But I don't personally like it for a desktop

Use XFCE instead.

i3wm == <3

Or KDE

@DJMcMayhem i thought you used windows?

Yeah, i3wm on windows.

Just kidding. I use both

@BaldBantha gnome tweak tool is the solution

@DJMcMayhem agreed

I mostly use Ubuntu for working on V since windows hates neovim.

@DJMcMayhem :D

@Everyone is Ubuntu good enough?

Then I use windows for games because game studios hate linux, and windows for work because I have no other option.

@DJMcMayhem use wine

Yeah, I used to go with wine but when the alternative (native windows) is so much simpler and easier, wine seems kinda dumb.

Don't get me wrong, wine is awesome, but it generally is a pain

@ASCII-only For desktops, it's one of the distros I like the least. For servers, I've been using it for a while, but I recently found better options.

@Dennis hmm, okay. which distros do you prefer for a desktop?

Out of context is best context

FUSE, right?

@DJMcMayhem but i3 is tiling

Haha, out of context is the best context

@ASCII-only Yeah, I like tiling.

@ASCII-only I use openSUSE on all my desktop-ish machines. Fedora's latest 5 versions were hit-and-miss.

And TIO v2 will be powered by Fedora.

I tried arch but was too dumb for it.

@Dennis Woah, there's a V2? What changes will it have?

I never used Arch-Arch, but I did try Manjaro. Everything was working so nicely, except that it caused one of the fans to make a clicking noise that was so annoying I had to ditch it.

@Dennis will v2 let me try different cheeses online?

e.g. swiss, cheddar, mozzarella, pepper jack, etc

@DJMcMayhem Proper sandboxing and server-side permalinks, mainly.

It's for the sandboxing I switched distros. SELinux isn't great on Ubuntu.

@Dennis OK cool. Out of curiosity, how high on your priority list is this feature request:

Cause I was thinking about writing something in tampermonkey, but if you were planning on doing it soon, I wouldn't bother.

I haven't even started working on the frontend yet. Right now, I'm implementing the backend.

@DJMcMayhem Most parts of this are really easy. But the bytes...

I think I like linux...

Why not just use chars like the current version of TIO does?

It wouldn't be too hard to manually edit

@BaldBantha oh, were you epicTCK before?

I kinda dislike the idea of "lying" in auto-generated Markdown. :P

@Downgoat yes

I don't know if using chars == lying

the chat client doesnt support replies btw, sorry

It is if I say bytes.

@BaldBantha Is that Fedora?

Solution: Don't say bytes?

Good enough for now, I guess...

@Dennis yeah fedora GNOME with terminator as my terminal emulator

> You’ve heard Satya Nadella say “Microsoft loves Linux” and that’s never been more true than now.

...?!?!?!‽‽‽‽‽‽

Feature-request: Start using dnf. :P

Oh, are you going to do that? I would really enjoy writing a plugin for it, but if you want to go ahead

"microsoft loves linux" (makes secure boot a thing)

@BaldBantha secure boot?

yeah on new windows computers they make it way harder to boot from CDs, and on certain windows RT models, they make it impossable

@DJMcMayhem If you want to write it, go ahead. That way, I can keep spending time on the backend. If you're open to it, you could make a pull request on github.com/DennisMitchell/tryitonline.

‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽

 < Linux Hates Microsoft >
         -----------------------
           \
            \
                .--.
               |o_o |
               |:_/ |
              //   \ \
             (|     | )
            /'\_   _/`\
            \___)=(___/

OK im done editing

@BaldBantha Well, with all the malware on Windows computers, they kinda need a way to prevent it from taking over the whole thing...

@Dennis Cool, that sounds awesome. I'm not sure exactly what format it should be in in order to be implemented on the real site, but we can burn that bridge when we get to it. :D

@BaldBantha -1 for using tuxsay and not cowsay

I also have no idea how to do it, but I'll figure it out

wait is there a goatsay? brb

@Downgoat Cowsay -f tux

huh TIL

@DJMcMayhem Just add a button to the top bar and make to write to the clipboard.

If you have a better idea, I'm all ears.

Fuck!

Well sure, but I more mean where would the frontend js files need to be placed?

@Downgoat I don't think so, but you could make a goat "cowfile" (get cowsay and read the docs man cowsay)

cant idk perl

I will pay 50pt bounty for goat cowfile

I think you need to have a challenge in order to legally give a bounty

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I can bounty any question in which they have an answer

@Downgoat UM OK

I don't think that's the ideal solution

BRB

@DJMcMayhem y not?

Cause it's trading rep for things outside of the site?

@DJMcMayhem The functions in frontend.js (and most code I write, really), are in alphabetical order. Go nuts.

Oh. Okay cool then. :D

@DJMcMayhem i think its ok its a one-tme 50pt bounty and who says i dont think the answer is great ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Whatevs. You're free to do what you want. I do not have the authority to stop you.

ahem :P

Better?

Much better. :)

@DJMcMayhem excuse me i live in america must i change my avatar to bald eagle to show i am very free

> sheep.cow

;_____; y is there sheep cowfile but no gaot

@Downgoat pick one: ascii-art.de/ascii/ghi/goat.txt

Bounty is off found one on internet

codegoat.io/?lesson=guess

@Downgoat Ahem

@DJMcMayhem wow such freedom

hows my desktop

@Downgoat Just wait until Trump wins the election.

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei I'd +1 looks very cool but i can't read leftmost terminal :/

@Dennis I really hope that's a joke not a prediction

@Downgoat some html, just to fill space :D

@DJMcMayhem I don't think he'll win the election, but I also was sure that he wouldn't make it to presidential candidate...

XD

TIO v2 will allow you to store code on the server (as Ideone does) and to edit/replace that code with a newer version. Replacing will be a privilege of the author, so how should TIO recognize the owner of server-stored code??

(The new strawpoll looks so much better.)

:/ I don't really like any of those options

What about 1 by default with 3 as an optional?

Sure, that would be possible. 1 could be combined with 2 or 3.

@Dennis you could always give the owner a hash that is associated with the code, but isn't the code's hash itself

@Dennis wow that looks much better

@ConorO'Brien Yes, but how is it stored?

@Dennis with the code, maybe?

idk

No, how do you as a user store that hash?

oh. I'd write it down :P

Then that's just a password that is impossible to remember...

localstorage maybe?

That's cookies.

@Dennis s/hash/your five random english words/

It would be much easier to simply let you pick the password yourself, no?

@ConorO'Brien solution: give random hash. store that in local storage but show it on the page so i can keep it in icloud notes if i ever forget it

That is clearly the best idea.

new fibonacci in cheddar: n f -> n < 2 ? 1 : f(n - 1) + f(n - 2)

@Dennis 1 with a 2 fallback seems best, imo

@DJMcMayhem Oh, and TLS. Forgot to mention that before.

today i installed adblock just so strawpoll would stop showing me trump ads

@Dennis btw i voted on google but i changed mind to cookies so count one vote from google as cookies

Thankyou @newmainposts!

> I find it fascinating how the letters "H" and "I" are very similar.

u wot m8

@DJMcMayhem dr ham jam is easterly confirmed

Oh, does he do that? I haven't seen that

....

@DJMcMayhem chat.stackexchange.com/…

chat.stackexchange.com/…

strawpoll.me/11024442

thx for answering, imma sleep now

cya l8r

OK, I'm convinced that cookies should be used by default. Signing in will always be optional, but how would you prefer to authenticate on TIO?

you are designed TIO v2 like I designed cheddar... through strawpolls :P

I use lastpass so it doesn't really matter to me too much

@Dennis if u use google will u be able to see my google info?

well i guess since you're mod you can already see my gmail >_>

cheddar> ( n f -> n < 2 ? 1 : f(n - 1) + f(n - 2) )(13)
377

\o/ \o/ \o /\/o \/ \/o \/o \/o \/o

@Downgoat you messed that up

ik

@Downgoat No clue.

@Downgoat no

google apps don't necessarily have to know your email

its one of the optional permissions

@Dennis can you do se account on alongside google? that should cover pretty much everyone

iirc SE doesn't have account API

though pls dont do SE-only i am unable to login to SE and SE doesn't want to fix it

@Downgoat oh, I thought I remembered that as an option on miaou

Via OpenID?

@ConorO'Brien planning on starting working on pattern matching any suggestion on how the pattern should be specified in? (i want it to make sense to functional people)

@Dennis that's probably what it was

@Downgoat don't ask me, I'm not a pro with pattern matching

@anyoneHereKnowsHaskell?

Just enough to be confident that I don't.

@Downgoat maybe kinda?

@Maltysen does this syntax make sense to you?:

f :: n: number -> string
f(if n < 2) -> 1
f(n) -> f(n - 1) + f(n - 2)

@Downgoat i don't think thats correct

for the if thing, you just have one f(n) defintion where you use if

doesnt look like haskell, but similar paradigm

@Maltysen im not trying to do haskell im trying to make something similar for cheddar >_>

@Downgoat oh rofl

leave out the if

wait how would u do it in haskell?

for this sort of pattern mathcing, the best exmple imo is mathematica

@ASCII-only trying to figure out how that would work

Wait a second, does JS really not have a builtin string formatting function?

Bolt about to run the 200m!

 VM1516:1 Uncaught TypeError: "{0}".format is not a function

let animal = "goat";
`Down${animal}`

pattern matching is supported in almost every browser

@DJMcMayhem it has template strings

you can also use formatting in console.log:

console.log("%d + %d = %d", 1, 1, 2);

var a = "7"
var b = "a = ${a}"
b
"a = ${a}"

@Downgoat WTH?

Oh, nvmd figured it out

@DJMcMayhem you have to use template strings

@Downgoat v

 // These seven fields are only included when the user has granted the "profile" and
 // "email" OAuth scopes to the application.
 "email": "[email protected]",
 "email_verified": "true",
 "name" : "Test User",
 "picture": "https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kYgzyAWpZzJ/ABCDEFGHI/AAAJKLMNOP/tIXL9Ir44LE/s99-c/photo.jpg",
 "given_name": "Test",
 "family_name": "User",
 "locale": "en"

So if I don't ask for them (and I don't see why I should), I won't know anything except your Google ID (some useless number).

@ConorO'Brien Does that mean strings inbetween graves?

@DJMcMayhem yes it does

Your avatar is really throwing me off.

hm what would an eagle goat morph look like...

OHMYGOD I JUST RELIZED WHY I DISLIKE EAGLES:

eagles = jackasses

;_; Y U Do dis goat man?

relevent:

Bah, we're also polite here when we want something...

@DJMcMayhem wait nvm the goat won

@Dennis Yo wassup golfer man pull V homey?

(Just kidding, I don't need you to pull V)

@DJMcMayhem ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Exactly. Nobody ever said that.

Sometimes when I'm coding I forget about basic human needs like food and water.

Alright, I'm going to stop trying to pretend I understand JS and go eat something before I collapse.

@DJMcMayhem but you are eagle wtf y do u have human needs

yo yo yo this is mc dragon

waddup d-dawg?

@Dennis question: is it possible for you to clone cheddar (git clone http://github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar.git) and build/install it (make install) on TIO so you can be running nightly version of cheddar?

actually that won't work nvm

5 : 0 for Google...

Hello

yo yo yo this is mc nybble

>_< why has TNB turned into a rap battle

I'm changing my name to MCNybble from now on.

@DerpfacePython I Approve.

Somebody pointed out that other chat rooms have polite conversations, then the usual happened.

Think of a six-letter rapper name for Malty!

OOOOOOHHHHHHHHH

@Dennis I saw that, was just questioning the "then the usual happened" part of it

@Dennis Civilized discussion? In our perfect room? Aw hell no!

Thinking of a rap against @ConorO'Brien

Hang on

Hold tight yo

I'm holding tight / try as you might / we're gonna fight

@ConorO'Brien Congratulations, you have become the first rapper in history to use the word "naught"

@DJMcMayhem bows I try.

You think you're a dragon / but your raps are saggin'

Do you like listening to rap?

@DerpfacePython Of course I'm draconic / my raps are super-sonic / yours are just laconic

Your raps have no skill, no melody / You're making me look for a remedy

Join in @DJMcMayhem!

And everyone else watching

this may be flooding the room

Yes it is

OK crap, now I can't get ERB out of my head

@DerpfacePython I already have. I'm DJing music for you

lol

Who creates crazier analogies?

(Also, when was strawpoll updated?)

sometime in the past week

GOLFING HALP PLS: how to check if number is every other odd number e.g. 3, 5, 9, 13 => true

@Downgoat Cheddar answer! \o/

@Downgoat %4==3

also its 3, 7, 11

brilliant

why is 5 there

+1

@Maltysen sorry goat cannot think

@Maltysen gah ninja'd

I love it when someone posts their first answer on one of my challenges. It feels awesome!

@DJMcMayhem What does :w !sudo tee % do?

ono python answer is beating me brb

@ConorO'Brien it's a Vim hack for saving a file that you don't have permission to write to

@DJMcMayhem whoa, that's pretty cool

Yeah, it's awesome

i'm bored, night

night!

btw if anyone wants to attempt the IHIH pyramid challenge in cheddar. I'd suggest making an answer using .turn() you could surely save lots of bytes there. Unfortunetly I'm too tired think about how to make it rn

which challenge?

I've made something called "tc17"--it's a customizable 2048 in your console, written in ruby.

3 upvotes on my pyth answer \o/

pyth has not been that popular for a long while

@Downgoat eyyy, that's precisely my approach

Anyone here own Scrap Mechanic?

@HelkaHomba Hive MC?

Hello all

Also I do not own scrap mechanic

@DJMcMayhem Maybe in ~10 min

Okay

Quick question: we don't appear to have a challenge for transposing a matrix where the length of the rows is not guaranteed to be equal. Would that challenge be too simple to post directly?

Should it just be a CMC in here?

How does that even work?

s/matrix/array/

Still, how does that even work?

In Ruby, you pad with nil

Before or after transposing?

so [[1,2][3],[4,5]] -> [[1,3,4],[2,nil,5]]?

CMC: given two strings X and Y, output XYX (or YXY)

@ConorO'Brien Pyth, 4 bytes: +sQh

@ConorO'Brien can the strings be multiline? Can they contain spaces?

Hm. No multi line, yes spaces.

@Sherlock9 .t (pad with spaces)

J, 3 bytes: ],,

I can think of a million ways to do it in V, and it all depends on how the input is laid out

What character may I use as a separator?

@DJMcMayhem Ok. I can play for a bit

Weird, I can't figure out how to do it in less than 6.

This is 5 but I'm not sure if it's valid: v.tryitonline.net/#code=w4RkZEdw&input=aGVsbG8Kd29ybGQ

The input will only consist of printable ascii (0x20 to 0x7E)

in hub 1

@NathanMerrill Yeah

@HelkaHomba OK, brt

@DJMcMayhem it's invalid, it adds newlines

Something that signifies a null of some sort

Incidentally, what is Hive MC?

@Sherlock9 Public Minecraft server with lots of minigames

@ConorO'Brien frowny face Okay, this one should do it then: v.tryitonline.net/#code=Snh5fCRw&input=SGVsbG8KV29ybGQ

Dissapointingly long for a golfing language that I pride myself on its string capabilities

Neat :)

Perhaps this can inspire new features... What happens if I restrict the domain to characters?

@Dennis feature request: tryitonline mobile design

@ConorO'Brien Eventually.

@ConorO'Brien ;ṭ

@Dennis that adds a space

The space is in the input.

Oh, OK

ES6, 11: x=>y=>x+y+x

Julia, x+y=x*y*x

yo

@Dennis Is that overloading an operator?

Yup.

@Dennis Wow, it's a lot shorter than the overloading syntax I'm used to seeing

But then again, I don't use functional languages so I wouldn't know if that kind of syntax is actually common

It's probably a parser bug, but yeah, it's short.

@Dennis :D you updated the TIO GitHub repo (also, is index.html supposed to be empty?)

Yes, it isn't used.

> Tut howls, snarls, and bites your opponent for 25 damage.

O.O

Tut did something for once!

@Dennis Also, is it okay to pollute TIO's global scope? Or is it better to keep objects in the closest scope possible?

Also, is the backend API for cached permalinks finalized yet? It would probably be easier to create the new permalink function, plus I would be able to use it in the PPCG answer template creator

Also, is it safe to assume languages with non-UTF-8 codepages take one byte per character?

letsencrypt now with less limits

yo

I've been working on this for the past day: rawgit.com/orlp/e11162381bad5fef5be6e5d0114dac5c/raw/…

(requires modern browser)

also still contains many bugs, but the proof of principle is there

@orlp if(1<0)?

@ASCII-only yes

prevents the first note from being delayed

but the code on the left is irrelevant

not mine either

it's the player itself that I made :)

@Dennis Could you please pull Brachylog?

@orlp Is the box thing supposed to have really low framerate, or is it just that my laptop is too bad?

Anyone here know Sesos?

@Sherlock9 Kinda, not very good at it though

@ASCII-only yes

it's supposed to be really low framerate

Oh good. I have a thing to debug for the Stern-Brocot question

set numin,set numout
get,fwd 1,add 1,fwd 1,add 1,rwd 2
jmp,sub 1,fwd 1
jmp,sub 1,fwd 2,add 1,fwd 2,add 1,rwd 3,jnz
fwd 1
jmp,sub 1,rwd 1,add 1,fwd 2,add 1,fwd 3,add 1,rwd 4,jnz
fwd 3
jmp,fwd 1,sub 1,fwd 1,add 1,rwd 1,jmp,fwd 1,jnz,fwd 1,jmp,rwd 1,add 1,fwd 1,sub 1,jnz,rwd 2,jmp,rwd 1,jnz,fwd 1,sub 1,jnz
fwd 2
jmp,sub 1,rwd 4,sub 2,fwd 4,jnz
rwd 1
jmp,sub 1,jnz
rwd 3
jmp,sub 1,rwd 1,add 1,fwd 1,jnz
rwd 3,jnz

I did not realize how long that is

@ASCII-only the audio is being calculated on your graphics card

@ASCII-only the box is 256 by 256, each pixel holding one sample for stereo sound

at a sample rate of 44.1khz that's 1.48 seconds worth of audio per 'box'

So the first part sets up input, 1, 1 for n, s, t in cells 0, 1, 2. Then you jump into the function. You move s to cells 3 and 5. Then you move t to cell 1, add it to cell 3, and move it to cell 6. The next bit is the BF modulus function from the esolang wiki. s%t is in cell 7 now. Subtract that twice from cell 3. Clear cell 6. Move cell 3 to cell 2. t and s+t-2*(s%t) are now the new s and t. Return to cell 0. Repeat.

@orlp It looks like there aren't too many easily distinguishable colors, that's caused by the instrument, right?

@ASCII-only the colors aren't supposed to represent anything

Oh wait

each (R, G, B, A) 4-tuple is (c0_lb, c0_hb, c1_lb, c1_hb), where c0 = channel0, c1 = channel1, lb = low byte, hb = high byte

and a low byte + high byte together form a mono 16-bit audio sample

and a full RGBA tuple forms a stereo 16-bit audio sample

(by the way you can press ctrl+s after editing the code to instantly hear the changes you've made)

How to make Rio 2016 more exciting

@Fatalize Done.

Thanks

@ASCII-only I'm not following.

@Dennis As in I need an extra variable for PPCG-style snippet, I have to either put it in global scope, or wrap the new function in an IIFE

I figured it out! Didn't rwd enough in the first loop

@ASCII-only I'm not sure what you're trying to do.

goddamn forgot to write codegolf

@Dennis Created PR, should work

Haven't added a notification to let the user know it has been copied though

@Dennis, is there an easy way in Sesos to print a number, a string and another number?

This is for the Stern-Brocot challenge with "a/b"

Sorry for the edit pings