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6:04 PM
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Q: Cooke and Wheatstone telegraph, five-needle

Leaky NunDefinition According to Wikipedia: The Cooke and Wheatstone telegraph was an early electrical telegraph system dating from the 1830s invented by English inventor William Fothergill Cooke and English scientist Charles Wheatstone. It was the first telegraph system to be put into commercial ser...

\o/
 
idk why but i want to post a boring answer that hardcode values
 
@TùxCräftîñg vas-y
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

helloworld922Print the Jacobian Matrix The goal of this challenge is given some vector functionf=[f0(x0,x1,x2,...), f1(x0,x1,x2,...),...] print its Jacobian matrix. Input Two positive integer representing the number of variables f is a function of, and the number of components of f. The input may come from...

 
@LeakyNun the leaderboard snippet is borked
 
SADDLE UP, NEW META POSTS, WE'RE GOING HOME
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6:10 PM
@TùxCräftîñg fixe/
 
:/
@Doorknob fail...
 
.-.
 
lol @quartarta
 
Who actually edited the comment?
 
we both did...
you should be able to see the edit history
 
6:13 PM
Your edits conflicted with each other?
 
Martin and I tried to edit at the same time; apparently mine went through. His was just too good, though.
 
lol
@TùxCräftîñg vd, fais-le rpdment
@Doorknob You didn't read my message in discord right
I said "haz mi nueva cuestio/n"
 
.__________.
 
6:30 PM
@TùxCräftîñg t'as dit qu't'ferrais mon challenge :/
 
I've got an image exporter for the game I'm writing!
and a graph exporter
generative grammars are complicated
 
Γρεεκ λεττερσ αρ φαν! (hit the Greek pronunciation button)
 
@LegionMammal978 Uh, I don't get it?
 
6:38 PM
@El'endiaStarman "Greek letters are fun"
 
@LeakyNun Ahh, lol.
 
(That's approximately how it's pronounced)
 
we should through 100 kbirthday bash for Martin Ender
 
@RohanJhunjhunwala Oh wow, he's only got 120 more rep to get there.
 
6:40 PM
maybe a special challenge
for him
 
@RohanJhunjhunwala at first I thought you meant 100000th birthday :p
^^^
 
@LegionMammal978 a more accurate transcription of "ee" would be "ει" or "ῃ" or "οι" or "υι"
 
@LeakyNun oh well, I can't IPA :p
 
@LegionMammal978 that isn't IPA
 
6:43 PM
@LeakyNun As in, my English → IPA → Greek skills are lacking
 
@El'endiaStarman oh my wow
 
Fun fact: the evolution of Greek made γ (g) from a consonant to a semivowel, and υ (u) from a vowel to a consonant. Therefore, the syllable division of ευγενια (eugenia) went from ευ-γε-νια (eu-ge-nia) to ε-υγε-νια (e-vie-nia)
 
@LeakyNun How would one pronounce the second form?
 
^^the inaccuracy in the comment above due to over-simplification is simply too many
 
@LeakyNun Ah, I see, the u is a consonant so it works
 
6:48 PM
@LegionMammal978 it became a "v", as is shown in my transliteration
 
got it
(As you can see, I'm not a linguist)
 
@LegionMammal978 do my challenge :/
 
@LeakyNun which one?
 
@LegionMammal978 but you got it
@LegionMammal978 eh, my new one
 
we should do what sec.se did and declare the day as Ender Day
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6:51 PM
@LeakyNun ^ ._.
 
@LegionMammal978 eh, how have you access to my roomlist :o
 
@LegionMammal978 what is the problem
@LegionMammal978 alright
 
2manyrooms4me
 
@LegionMammal978 lol
 
6:53 PM
@LegionMammal978 you must of not met quartata yet then
 
I finally finished the VIC cipher Sandbox post
 
question: what should be the function to get a string from char codes? String.cdr? 32..chr?
 
Please let me know what you think and if there are any confusing bits or errors
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Sherlock9Write a VIC cipher encoder code-golfcryptography The VIC cipher is one of the most complicated pencil and paper ciphers ever devised. Used in the 1950s by Soviet spy Reino Häyhänen, codenamed "VICTOR", its main principle is security through obfuscation; a lot of obfuscation. Your task is to wr...

 
@Sherlock9 You've got mail.
 
@Downgoat Capital idea! (Wot!)
 
6:58 PM
@mınxomaτ Sorry?
 
I sent you an email.
 
Oh right
I did see it
But I forgot to listen to the intros, sorry
 
@NewMainPosts WAIT FOR ME, I'M COMING TOO!
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4 minutes. Not bad
 
@NewSandboxedPosts eleven pls?
 
7:02 PM
@mınxomaτ I'll get to it tomorrow. Just so you know, I have a personal preference for rock and I don't know how objective I'll be.
Also, can you use the email address I linked in the comments to the podcast gist from now on?
 
@Sherlock9 I did after realizing I sent the first mail to the old one.
 
Ah alright. Thank you very much :D
 
@muddyfish I took the liberty to turn that image into a link. Its 49 megapixels kept freezing the tab on my phone.
 
@Dennis We're having edit conflict here
Podés verlo?
 
@LeakyNun It's syntax highlighting. If he doesn't want it, let him.
 
7:09 PM
@Dennis noted
 
I'm not sure why he doesn't want it in this case, but I sometimes choose not to enable it on Python answers, since it colors 1for as a number. Ugly.
 
@Dennis maybe because of the syntax highlighting of the comments
 
The first line is also a bit broken. That # isn't the start of a comment afaict.
 
@Dennis De acuerdo. No lo hiría de nuevo.
@Dennis I'm not sure if I should revert my own edit now
 
haría, or better, haré.
 
7:14 PM
@Dennis gracias
 
He already removed it.
 
@Dennis bueno
@Dennis What does "trata" in "trata de entender" mean?
Also in "traté de llamarte"?
 
tratar is try.
 
@Dennis yeah that's also what i understood it as
@Dennis thanks
@Downgoat Congratulations!
Wait, it is non-competing
 
huh?
@LeakyNun ;___; ik
 
7:18 PM
@Downgoat sorry
 
Context?
 
@Downgoat Why doesn't it work with the older version?
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A: Print/Output the L-phabet

DowngoatCheddar, 65 bytes (|>26).map(i->String.letters.map((j,k,l)->k<i?l[i]:j).fuse).vfuse That String.letters is too long :/ Works with the nightly branch. Non-competing... sad part is that I already had the changes... just never commited ;_; Explanation (|>26) // Range from [0, 26) .map(i->...

 
@LeakyNun no need to be sorry >_>
@LeakyNun String.letters did not have .map. I had it on TODO list for a while:
in Cheddar, Jul 27 at 23:04, by Downgoat
STDLIB:
 - [x] File read
 - [ ] Array#slice
 - [ ] Array#sum
 - [ ] min/max
 - [ ] Get buffer contents
 - [ ] get namespace contents
 - [ ] pad left/right
 - [ ] gsub / sub
 - [ ] test regex
 - [ ] change base
 - [ ] File write
 - [ ] Array rand item
 - [ ] String.ascii
 - [ ] Static string -> Arrays
 - [ ] Seed rand
> - [ ] Static string -> Arrays
 
@Downgoat is there no way to convert a string to an array?
 
yes you can str.chars
oh
 
7:23 PM
@Downgoat AFAIK you have the str.split function
oh alright
@Downgoat so you can make it competing
 
@LeakyNun yeah,
 
brb translate.google.com-ing
 
@Downgoat "felicitation" is an English word also
 
gracias :)
@LeakyNun huh TIL
 
7:28 PM
Type to roll a bf bowling ball down the golfing tag
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A: Print a Tabula Recta!

Rohan JhunjhunwalaBrainf*** 2510 Bytes >++++++++++<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.>.<------------------------.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.-------------------------.>.<++.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+...

There has got to be a more efficeint converter
 
@LeakyNun Done
 
@LegionMammal978 Seen
 
How'd you make that URL shortener? Or is it online somewhere?
 
@Sherlock9 I didn't make it
 
@LegionMammal978 Fun fact: the tag q vs a mean nothing. Each id is either a question or an answer.
 
7:33 PM
@LeakyNun ik
@Sherlock9 But yeah, ppcg.lol just redirects to codegolf.stackexchange.com
 
Nice :D
 
o_o wat is happening in russian SO chat
 
I'm saving this ppcg.lol transcript for later
 
@Downgoat these foreign language flags seem hard to judge
 
^
 
7:37 PM
it happens I do know russian though
 
May I have a link to the room? Not sure how to search for it
 
@Sherlock9 question: is entropy a better measurment of detail or is doing canny and measuring average black:white ratio a btter measuurement
 
Thanks
 
Yeah, I just put "not sure"
 
7:42 PM
@Downgoat What is canny in this context? Or is that a mistranslation?
 
The Canny edge detector is an edge detection operator that uses a multi-stage algorithm to detect a wide range of edges in images. It was developed by John F. Canny in 1986. Canny also produced a computational theory of edge detection explaining why the technique works. == Development of the Canny algorithm == Canny edge detection is a technique to extract useful structural information from different vision objects and dramatically reduce the amount of data to be processed. It has been widely applied in various computer vision systems. Canny has found that the requirements for the application of...
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

SahibPrimeSnakes All Around Origins tl;dnwif (too lazy; did not write in full): thought of it while peering over my latest question Challenge The challenge is simple: print a snake. You will get the length of the snake as input. A snake of length 2 looks like this: ==(:)- A snake of length 7 looks l...

 
Interesting :D
How does one measure entropy in an image?
 
Guys
I have problem installing scipy from pip
I installed numpy already
as well as a bunch of other stuff
 
@LeakyNun i know solution
use npm
:P
 
7:49 PM
@Downgoat how
 
Christoph Gohlke's Python library page is magic: lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs
You just download the .whl file and have pip install that file directly
Also called a wheel file
 
@Sherlock9 how
 
pip install C:\something something\numpy.v102.cp3.5.whl or something like that
I think there are instructions on his page, too
Further instructions on installing from wheels here: pip.pypa.io/en/latest/user_guide/#installing-from-wheels
 
@Sherlock9 magic
 
Yep :D I mean in the wondrous sense of "magic". I'm pretty sure Gohlke just builds the wheels himself from the source files
But he puts a lot of those wheels up on a regular basis. It's frankly amazing. Especially when the Python Package Index (pypi) can have so many problems with the installs they provide (the default Python library index)
 
7:55 PM
@Sherlock9 yep
Fais mon nouveau challenge :/
@Downgoat Do my new challenge?
with Cheddar
 
@Sherlock9 if the knob didn't tell you, we are attempting to restart the discord.
 
I missed that message
 
@Doorknob hola, vuelto has
 
Thanks for letting me know :D
 
@LeakyNun hi
 
7:57 PM
@Doorknob do we say "la comida que he comido" or "la comida que he comida"?
 
@LeakyNun Participles don't have gender
 
@Doorknob But in French we say "la voiture que j'ai achetée" instead of "la voiture que j'ai acheté"
 
@LeakyNun Pour tenter votre nouveau challenge, je dois l'examiner. ;) Lien?
 
@zyabin101 voici
@Doorknob they also have gender when used in passive sentences, e.g. "la comida está comida"
 
translate en: Pour tenter votre nouveau challenge, je dois l'examiner. ;) Lien?
(from French) To try your new challenge, I have to consider it. ;) Link?
@LeakyNun Right, I meant when used with haber
 
8:00 PM
@Doorknob I think "consider" is "have a look at"
 
It's fine it's just Bing being terrible
 
@Doorknob Mas en francés usamos la forma feminina en este caso (ve arriba)
"mas" is the literary form of "pero"
cognate with French "mais"
 
That's a lot of Discord messages to scroll through
I missed a lot while I was out today, apparently :)
 
@Doorknob I meant review it, not consider it ;)
 
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Q: Tips for golfing in Fishing

addisonI recently found out about the Fishing language, and it is now a favorite of mine. However, I'm finding it difficult to do anything cool with it, including code golf. Are there any tips for golfing with Fishing to use the least characters? And any string manipulation tricks would be cool, as I am...

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Q: Snakes all around

SahibPrimeOrigins tl;dnwif (too lazy; did not write in full): thought of it while peering over my latest question Challenge The challenge is simple: print a snake. You will get the length of the snake as input. A snake of length 2 looks like this: ==(:)- A snake of length 7 looks like this: =======(...

 
8:16 PM
@NewMainPosts Oh hey, once again, four of five answers posted by the same user.
 
Oh hey something CG can do with one stage
 
@El'endiaStarman not the one-byte built-in that you deemed effortless to create
@El'endiaStarman and I used python
 
@LeakyNun That you used one-byte built-ins the last time wasn't the main problem, but did contribute. I just feel like it's shutting down competition when one user posts a bunch of answers all at once.
 
@El'endiaStarman and I used python
 
@El'endiaStarman Not especially since I just beat his answer :P
 
8:20 PM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan isn't that exactly the main challenge?
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Closed as duplicate of the main challenge. See ^.
 
If one user can find the best solutions in several different languages fast enough to shut down competition, then that sounds like a problem with the challenge.
 
My god I'm am idiot. I saw that deleted from the sandbox, but I didn't realize they posted it to main.
 
@trichoplax I agree, it does indicate a problem with the challenge.
My issue is that this flaw is being exploited (by someone who should know better).
 
@El'endiaStarman I might be missing something. I can't see how not doing that would improve the challenge
 
8:24 PM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Ha, got ya
I think I'll bring back the old p syntax anyways though
 
@trichoplax I think of it in a similar vein to answering off-topic questions.
 
(as a separate mode that is)
 
@El'endiaStarman Ah I see - that I can understand.
 
Like "Don't answer off-topic questions." -> "Don't solve trivial challenges." Now, I (currently) don't think it's wise or desirable to ban trivial challenges outright, but neither should they be exploited for (potential) rep gain.
 
The tricky point is that "trivial" can be used to describe a simple programming task, or one that is simple to golf. I think there is a place for very simple tasks that still admit clever golfing tricks
 
8:28 PM
@quartata Haha, yeah I saw that. My code should have been i°=(:)- which would tie you, but that feature's not quite there yet.
 
And I can't judge which type of trivial a challenge is by looking at it...
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan My code should have been =~(:)- with p :/
That's how it used to work before I added %
 
@trichoplax Yes, and there can be a place for "trivial" challenges: easy challenges for newbies.
The snake question could be a good introduction to the site.
Easy challenges are also good for hard-to-use or less-powerful languages.
 
@El'endiaStarman But writing correct answers and getting rep for them is not exploitation, it's how the site works. Most people are unlikely to upvote numerous trivial answers in earnest anyway. The exception can be the challenge author in order to drum up support for their challenge, but the answerer can't be blamed for that.
 
8:36 PM
@HelkaHomba Hmm. Fair.
 
@quartata I'm glad to have more competition. I've realized that the most fun I ever have on this site is when I have an answer that is really close to another answer, and we both start golfing it down, and have an intense competition.
 
Heh
Although there isn't a lot to golf on this one :/
 
That usually happens with V vs jolf or osabie.
Like with this answer:
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A: Draw a ladder and slide

Dr Green Eggs and Iron ManV, 38, 37, 36, 34, 33, 32, 31, 30 29 bytes Àé r\2é/4é-òhYpX$2P^ò3GEòjlr\ Try it online! I might catch up with Osabie. One byte shorter than Osabie. \o/ Tied with 2sable! One byte shorter! In other news, this is definitely the longest strikethrough header I've ever made. Explanation: Àé ...

 
@El'endiaStarman I agree that answering a ton of times can seem overbearing. But it doesn't strictly stop others from answering nor does it bring site quality down, as then there are more answers for posterity to learn from.
 
I'd say that's probably my all-time proudest answer.
 
8:40 PM
> 38, 37, 36, 34, 33, 32, 31, 30 29 bytes
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Deservedly so. That's an impressive string of golfing.
@HelkaHomba Yeah, that's true. It's irksome, but ultimately not that harmful.
 
Say, did anyone do this (@Doork?)
17 hours ago, by Helka Homba
Mini-challenge: What the smallest grid of decimal digits by area that has all numbers 00, 01, 02, ..., 98, 99 in it horizontally or vertically, forwards or backwards (diagonals not counted).
 
I don't know about all challenge authors, but at least some feel more rewarded by answers than upvotes, so lots of answers can make them more inclined to post more challenges
 
^ true
 
8:42 PM
(True of me too - I'd be interested to know how many feel this way)
 
@trichoplax Doesn't apply to me, actually. I usually check and/or test all the answers I can, so it's more work for me.
In particular, KotHs. Oy... :P
 
I halfway agree. Sure I like the participation, but being highly voted means "This challenge is original and interesting" and I think that's pretty rewarding.
 
@El'endiaStarman I really want to start posting KotHs but I'm also wary of the work involved...
 
@trichoplax If my first two PPCG challenges hadn't gotten the response they did I probably wouldn't be chatting here today :) (though they are not really the definition of triviality)
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan High numbers of votes are definitely much more rewarding for me.
Oh wow, my Spacewar! KotH recently hit 60!
 
8:47 PM
@HelkaHomba same here. My second challenge is to this day my highest voted post (network wide too) and that really motivated me to participate more.
 
@HelkaHomba Just went to look and realised Rearrange the pixels was only your second challenge - for some reason I remembered you being well established by then... I must have my memory out of chronological order. It certainly didn't read like a newcomer to challenge writing
 
tfw someone posts a challenge, finally
 
It's kinda creepy to go back through the old transcripts and see Helka posting challenges in the sandbox
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And Martin's name being "m.buettner"
 
@orlp I have a long list of overdue ones to catch up with. Sorry if any of those give the same feeling...
 
Woah. Helka Calvin used to use the sandbox?
 
8:51 PM
@HelkaHomba So like a 2D De Bruijn Sequence?
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan You sure? Unless I'm mistaken your second challenge was codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/40525/…
@LegionMammal978 Yeah, you could say that
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan It was over 2 years ago but yeah
That was back when we had separate sandboxes
imagine that
 
@HelkaHomba shudders don't remind me. That challenge is terrible, haha holy shit
I thought it was this one:
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Q: Automate Saving the World

Dr Green Eggs and Iron ManYou are Desmond Hume. For the last 3 years, you and your partner, Kelvin, have been slave to a computer that requires a very specific sequence to be entered into it every 108 minutes to save the world. 4 8 15 16 23 42 Your partner died 40 days ago (due to an unfortunate accident involving Kelv...

 
@quartata that system was so weird... all the marks and migrations
 
Oof, Rainbolt being called "Rusher" really confuses me too
 
8:54 PM
@quartata I'd forgotten about the days of retiring sandboxes, and all the arguments about how best to do it...
 
@HelkaHomba Yeah, it sounded good in theory but not in practice
Jul 21 '14 at 13:14, by Martin Büttner
this guy http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/26997/calvins-hobbies ... member for 14 days and he asked 12 pretty decent questions without ever sandboxing one of them... what on earth...
I'm not sure why I'm going back through the transcripts, I have way better things to do right now
 
@HelkaHomba Hmm. This one's a toughie.
 
The transcripts are specially designed for when you have better things to do. That's why they have an awful search tool that forces you to just look through by hand
 
Pretty much
 
Going through the old transcripts, I found the first time I ever used chat. Alex called me "Dr Ham Jam".
And the idiotic names have continued ever since.
 
8:58 PM
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Q: New users golfing code

NoOneIsHereThe last two Suggested Edit reviews I have reviewed, they were easy rejects. Both were from a new user (the same), and both were golfing/"fixing" the code. I admit to have done this before, but a while ago. I therefore propose that there should be a new box when editing a post. Instead of ...

 
@quartata Based on that I've been lax lately :I
 
Oh man, 6 more answers and I'll have code-golf silver.
 
@Dennis sorry, it auto-shrank it on my computer so I thought it was OK
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Welp, I have four tag badges where all I need to do is get more upvotes.
 
9:04 PM
need +9 more for kolmo. complexity
 
On a different note, does this World Building question remind anyone of Thor?
 
Haha, I have string bronze just because my favorite language(s) to golf in are string-based.
 
@MartinEnder this guy codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/8478/martin-ender ... member for 3 years and he is 120 rep away from being the first to 100k without any serious competition... what on earth...
 
:)
@Dennis, you're no serious competition.
 
1200 answers goes a long way.
 
9:08 PM
@MartinEnder a 10k difference is no mean feat (as I expect many here will attest)
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Making several good esolangs sure helped him too. :P
 
Gee, I should dust off my challenge writing keyboard for Martin's 100kaversary
 
@HelkaHomba he's gaining rep much faster though
@HelkaHomba I'd be honoured :)
 
@MartinEnder The only ways I could still beat you to 100k would be suddenly getting 10k rep in bounties or suspending a certain mod. :P
 
I'm so glad that snake challenge doesn't require handling 0. Otherwise my answer would be Àñi=ñA(:)- which is really ugly.
@Dennis wait, you can suspend a mod? What?!
 
9:11 PM
@Dennis race you to 250k? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ IS THAT A CHALLENGE?!
 
@El'endiaStarman FITE ME
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Just you wait until I release Pytek. I'll leave you in the dust!
 
@El'endiaStarman Oh yeah? Oh yeah!?!?
 
9:15 PM
Oh yeah! You'll see, soon enough. 6-8 weeks.
 
Writing your own language is great for code-golf, cause then you have no one else competing with you in your language. :P
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan this is true. I can attest to the fact that no one uses my languages T_T
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan That's not exactly true for Pyth, CJam, and Jelly... :P
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ [cries with you]
 
Well sure, but those have been winning challenges for years.
 
9:16 PM
I know how it feels. I understand where all the interlanguage competition comes from
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Only if I don't care about keeping my diamond. (I'm actually not convinced that it's possible at all.)
 
we should definitely test it
 
Solution? Never write docs.
 
@Dennis I have in the past briefly considered trying to suspend Jeff Atwood.
20
 
That's worked for me so far.
 
9:17 PM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I can attest to this as well.
 
@El'endiaStarman I think we've all been there.
 
@Dennis happened yet?
 
@muddyfish I think everyone's too scared to try.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Actually, I just started working on docs (mostly cause dwongaot convinced me too)
 
maybe if you all do it at once, it could work
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan oh haha
 
9:20 PM
Write a script that suspends everyone?
 
I'm still waiting for a golfing language where every possible string is a valid program, à la chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/25227959#25227959
 
@muddyfish You'd lose your diamond so fast for that.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ While we're on the subject, would you read through this let me know if it is comprehensible/clear? github.com/DJMcMayhem/V/wiki/Regexes
 
@HelkaHomba there are no invalid Labyrinth programs... still not all that golfy ;)
 
How much job time would be lost though?
 
9:21 PM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan reading now ;)
@HelkaHomba it wouldn't be terribly efficient, would it?
 
@muddyfish That's pretty much the problem. Shrinking a huge image to the size it is displayed in requires processor time.
 
@HelkaHomba I think you run into Gödel's incompleteness theorems at that point... at about Mach 5
 
@Sherlock9 no, what Helka describes is actually just Goedel numbering
 
I think Sesos could qualify.
 
Ah, I see
 
9:24 PM
The "source code" is just a number, and brackets are auto-matched. In 8-bit char mode, trying to print non-existent characters would error though.
 
could be easily fixed by taking values mod 256 before printing
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan it looks alright
 
Okay, cool. Thanks!
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Possibly. Right now one could implement this fairly simply by enumerating all the non-instant-erroring cjam programs every time the new language is run, stopping when the program string is reached and then running the corresponding cjam program. But, especially for longer programs, that would be horribly slow without some form of caching (even then idk if that's viable).
 
@HelkaHomba the other part of making such a language golfy is making sure that a) there are useful programs among the short ones and b) equivalent programs are sparse
 
9:28 PM
Right
 
that said, it doesn't seem terribly interesting. I'm generally not a fan of the compression/encoding side of golfing-language design, but more of coming up with expressive language concepts that don't require unnecessary syntax to be expressed
Jelly is pretty impressive in that regard I must say
 
Both on the expressiveness and the encoding.
 
Those poor souls who prefer to express themselves with peanut butter...
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@El'endiaStarman I'm not sure mods can suspend CMs/developers
I would be surprised
 
@quartata I'm not sure either, and I'm stuck between wanting to find out and the possible consequences should it work.
 
9:37 PM
I can fix that. #Mod2017.4
 
@El'endiaStarman does the button (or whatever it is) show up on his page?
 
Is it okay to replace others' deleted Sandbox questions with link stubs?
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I can do everything up to and including clicking the final button.
 
🙅 👐 ⬆ 🙅 👐 ⬇
 
(I didn't click the button.)
 
9:40 PM
@LegionMammal978 you mean link the main question in the post?
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yes
 
i think generally yes, but keep it deleted
 
@El'endiaStarman oh man, now I really want to know.
Also, I did not realize mods get powers on other sites too.
 
they don't iirc
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan jeff has a PPCG account.
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Step 1: Become a mod. Step 2: Suspend Jeff Atwood. Step 3: ???. Step 4: Uhhh...I dunno.
 
9:42 PM
Elendia isn't a ppcg mod
 
@LegionMammal978 yes
and feel free to flag them for deletion
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan he has an account everywhere, iirc
 
No, I'm not a PPCG mod, but I am a Christianity.SE mod, and Jeff Atwood has an account on every site.
 
like an automatic account maker
ninjuic'ed
hey @Blue
 
hello
 
9:43 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It's not automatic, actually. His user id is 348 on C.SE.
(Mine is 58.)
 
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Q: Is Brainf*** considered a serious contender

Rohan JhunjhunwalaBrainf*** is far from a terse language. A (partially) golfed solution may be 1000's of bytes long. Similar to JSF***, these submissions are often autogenerated and will require significant work to create a valid submission which is competitive. My question is what constitutes a serious brainf*** ...

 
9:59 PM
Mini-challenge: English word made out of the most normal smaller words. e.g. forthwith=2, heretofore=3
 

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