The Nineteenth Byte

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:01

does anyone here use atom?

Quill

yeah

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

what do golden folders mean

@Upgoat where are the functions that need to be implemented?

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ golden folders?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ in this spreadsheet

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Upgoat

i have no idea

Quill

00:07

IIRC green is added but not staged, gold is staged but not committed

Upgoat

discuss.atom.io/t/file-tree-colors-what-do-they-mean/12770

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

could you fix the string thing so I can work on it? e.g. move the slice to it's own lib

(slack isn't working for me)

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ D: oh

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ just delete slice, it's broken I guess

>_>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh ok

Upgoat

00:26

strawpoll.me/10540516

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

.upper gives hte uppercase string, .upper() changes it to uppercase

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

no

all methods should be immutable

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ interestng idea but it can only be either a string or function

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

why not both?

PhiNotPi

Today, I watched some South Park episodes, which I don't typically do. It's an... interesting... show.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:34

lol

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ will bork the cheese

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@PhiNotPi that's one word for it

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Upgoat

@PhiNotPi every park for me is south park

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

00:38

@Upgoat Does it modify the original string or return a new one?

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan conor thought to put an @ to the beginning for it to modify the string which is what were porbbaly gonna do

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

so @a.upper or @.upper() for mutable

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Well, a.upper feels like accessing an element, and a.upper() feels like doing something.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I feel like that too

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a.upper or @a.upper should not have any side effects.

Other than that, I don't really care all that much.

Upgoat

00:50

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan so you're saying @a.upper shouldn't modify

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

That is correct.

If it doesn't have parenthesis after it, it should only return something, never change something.

Upgoat

but @ operator makes it change something

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It's not the @ that's a problem.

It's the lack of parens. IMO

Upgoat

ok

mınxomaτ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ This is way too close to what happened in House of Cards.

mınxomaτ

01:11

New Rider Insider build: Linux, Windows, OS X

Upgoat

@mınxomaτ you use IDE?

#nvimmasterrace

mınxomaτ

Yeah, this is more about the built-in Resharper.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Why not both? #vsvimmasterrace

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I hate vim >_<

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Aww... ;-;

That's sad

Any particular reason why?

Upgoat

01:20

^

might be because of the learning curve

I dind't like vim at first either >_>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan My main intent is editing content, not magic.

Upgoat

s/gic/jik/

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Upgoat

._.

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@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Editing is exactly what it's good at! Your string is wrong? ci". boom.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:29

define wrong

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You need to change it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I am still confused

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before: "foobar", after: "hello world"

Regular editor: <cursor keys a bunch of times><backspace a bunch of time>hello world

vim: ci"hello world

But hey, I don't want to be preachy. To each his own.

mınxomaτ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Regular editor: SHIFT-POS1, hello world.

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POS1?

mınxomaτ

01:33

Yeah, that's a key.

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On what keyboard?

mınxomaτ

Called "home" on your kb probably.

If you just want to replace one word, e.g. "hello foobar" to "hello word", place cursor behind "foobar" and just do CTRL-SHIFT-LEFT, type "world".

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But then you have to use cursor keys or mouse to actually move to foobar. Then CTRL-SHIFT-LEFT, then move your hands back to the homerow, then type it.

ci" doesn't leave the homerow and it works from any cursor position.

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan wait wat, why isn't it cb?

mınxomaτ

I didn't say it was easier. Just what you posted for "regular editor" was needlessly complicated.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

01:39

@Upgoat Depends on where your cursor is.

Upgoat

ah ok gotcha

Geobits

I just heard a disturbing rumor.

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Please share.

Geobits

Well, I don't know how true it is, but here goes:

Basically, this meta post was brought up earlier in the Tavern. It caused the staff to realize our graduation was a mistake/oversight, and they're going to take it back.

Upgoat

wtf

Geobits

01:50

Yea

Upgoat

they actually did troll us O_O

brb swearing at SE

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat roflmao

hahhaahhahaa

Anonymous

@Geobits Link to transcript?

Geobits

Wasn't in a transcript. I know a guy.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat a

@Geobits how the heck did I fall for it here — undergroundmonorail Aug 31 '15 at 11:32

:P

That applies right now.

Upgoat

01:51

@Geobits ........

ಠ_ಠ

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hahahahaha

Upgoat

ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ

such ಠ_ಠ rn

ಠ_ಠ

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

(Up|Down)goat falls for Geobits' ploy

4 mins ago, 3 minutes total – 21 messages, 5 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked just now by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Geobits

Sorry. It's still shocking to me that people believe stuff like this, so I just can't help myself sometimes.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat i walk in and go "oh geobits is trolling wait he is actually believing it"

@mınxomaτ okay

i don't watch that

Anonymous

01:53

I hate you so much right now :P

Upgoat

;-; @Geobits y u do dis

Anonymous

Why do I even believe anything you say anymore

Upgoat

^

must be the gaot brain

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Mego did you also believe it?

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imgur.com/gallery/XZDGs

Geobits

01:54

@Mego I honestly don't know. That's what I'm saying.

Anonymous

To be more convincing, mention a date for our ungraduation. November 1st should work.

Geobits

@Mego I was going to go into that, but Irky ruined it.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:P

I couldn't let @Upgoat continue to fall for that.

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Am I Schrödinger's Goat or somethin ._.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

wtaf

that exists

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

01:55

Jun 7 at 1:07, by Alex A.

PPCG: 5 years from beta to graduation, 5 years from graduation to design. Let's make it happen.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan bad images?

Upgoat

10/10 best book

Geobits

Very shocking

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@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Wat? no

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hm

Anybody know of a torrent for the tor browser?

e.g. a download for the installer file

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

01:58

Why would you torrent it? It's tiny.

iirc

Upgoat

why do you need tor

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

i can't access the tor website

@Upgoat to get around website blocking

for i.imgur

Upgoat

._.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

wat?

How the heck is imgur blocked?

Geobits

lol, you're going to tor at school just for imgur?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

01:59

because it's "pornography"

@Geobits home and sure

i used to have it though

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ though 1/2 of imgur probably is

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

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^^

Upgoat

pls halp how to fix cyclic dependencies

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Wait, can you see it when someone uploads it directly to TNB?

Upgoat

02:00

i tri lots but cri becaus node is shit

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

i.stack is'nt blocked

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

AHA!!!

Upgoat

\o/

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

brew install tor

@Upgoat i can't see that image

Upgoat

02:01

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ wat

that isnt image it is \o/

Anonymous

@Upgoat sudo rm -rf

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat oh, nvm

Upgoat

you forgot / --no-preserve-root

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I couldn't see that image, but I was able to see it with tor (installed by brew install tor).

Upgoat

brew ftw

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ why dont you just ask your parental unit to unblock

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

02:03

she uninstalled tor from my computer

i doubt she will

Upgoat

> 404. That’s an error.

oh I thought 404 was a goat

Geobits

Reinstalling tor is a great way to show her you're responsible enough to have it >_>

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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Upgoat

where's Safari

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

02:05

Nobody cares about safari.

6

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan brb flagging as inappropriate

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Safari is like if apple made their own IE.

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ಠ_ಠ no one cares about Dr. Seuss books >:| :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

May 23 at 20:54, by ev3commander

(SAFARI SO STUPID)

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:06

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan but better than IE

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan THE FEELS

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ;-; sowee :(

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Fine, I guess I'll just go be a spoopy skeleton instead. ;-;

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ;-; @ev3commander y u do dis

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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DJ McMayhem

@Upgoat There, no more DR seuss.

Upgoat

02:10

;-; y u do dis

Geobits

+1 for username that fits in chat sidebar :P

-1 for Seuss removal

DJ McMayhem

@Upgoat Because of mean red goat:

5 mins ago, by Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ಠ_ಠ no one cares about Dr. Seuss books >:| :P

Upgoat

@DJMcMayhem don't call for it, he's arready cast his downvote in the sidebar

@DJMcMayhem ;-; im sowee :(

4 mins ago, by Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ;-; sowee :(

btw red goat is best goat

DJ McMayhem

New profile pic ^

mınxomaτ

meh

El'endia Starman

02:13

Uh-oh, angry goat is angry.

DJ McMayhem

@Upgoat Green goat is nicer.

Upgoat

@DJMcMayhem ;-;

@DJMcMayhem Q_Q

y u haet gaot

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Geobits

02:29

Anonymous

I should write a challenge tonight

Geobits

Are you still high on meds?

Anonymous

A bit

Anonymous

My next dose is coming up

Geobits

Good time for a challenge then. Go for it.

After the next dose, clearly.

Anonymous

02:30

I need inspiration, though

Geobits

Oh. I thought that's what the meds were for.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

0/10 tor is borked again

Anonymous

Well they help :P

Anonymous

But I still need that trigger for the inspiration

Anonymous

I really wish this challenge got more attention: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/75158/generate-ascii-art

Geobits

02:31

Watch Primer. It should be good for a trigger or two.

Anonymous

I might bounty it

Anonymous

Bounty is up - go nuts :P

mınxomaτ

@Geobits Oh Primer is awesome.

El'endia Starman

I only know of Primer because of xkcd. :P

Liam

02:55

@Mego "raw bytes" = the bytes of a file format or the raw pixel array?

Upgoat

03:11

@El'endiaStarman is Pytek JIT or AOT?

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat AOT, but would be JIT if run with PyPy, I believe.

...though I'm not sure it really fits into either of those categories.

Upgoat

how does it work? Does it compile and then interpreter. Or compile while interpreting?

Anonymous

@Liam In reference to what?

Anonymous

Oh that challenge

Anonymous

Raw bytes of the file

Anonymous

03:26

Though raw pixel data is allowable by default

miles

@Mego I think it's the same with the Jordan Decomposition challenge. I want to answer it but I don't want to try making the solver and diagonalization parts

Upgoat

Please suggest methods and properties for the Cheddar standard libraries

BS submissions will be filtered and discarded

Dennis

03:44

That feeling when the brainfuck solution is 60% shorter than your Python answer...

Sp3000

:D I'm surprised nobody'd posted that already, tbh

Geobits

@Upgoat Please correct the grammar in the very first question. It looks kinda like a phishing attempt right now.

Dennis

Less than 6 bytes of entropy...

Upgoat

@Geobits ah, whoops fixed

Geobits

Umm, wat?

> Your response may or may of not been recorded whether or not is was actually serious

This makes less sense than usual.

Upgoat

03:53

@Geobits that means if your submission was BS it will of not been recorded (like yours for example)

Geobits

Mine wasn't BS. How is it not useful?

Anonymous

@miles To me, that says "I want to answer it but I don't want to have to put in the effort of writing a solution", which is the opposite of helpful feedback. Is that what you meant to convey?

Upgoat

@Geobits because it's obviously supposed to go in the StringCheese library, not the String library

Geobits

@Mego "It's interesting, but too much work and not enough fun" sounds like good feedback to me, if you take it that way.

@Upgoat You didn't present that as an option, so I can hardly be blamed.

Upgoat

@Geobits :/ well you could of selected the "other" option and typed it in

Anonymous

03:56

@Geobits Not every challenge is going to be "read through it and start implementing the obvious solution". Having challenges with more difficulty is a good thing. It's a shame that apparently our users don't have the attention spans to write solutions to hard challenges.

Geobits

@Mego I didn't say it's great, just that it can be useful feedback.

@Upgoat 404 "Other" option not found:

Upgoat

wat

your computer is borked

Geobits

Uh.... no?

bkul

@Geobits reload

Anonymous

@Geobits The feedback I'm getting from that is "don't make hard challenges because nobody will answer them".

Upgoat

03:58

@Mego well that's generally very true

Geobits

@bkul Yes, I'm guessing he changed it after I submitted. Again, hard to blame me for that :P

bkul

@Geobits Agreed. Just tryin' to help

Upgoat

@Geobits idk what your talking about

Anonymous

@Upgoat I consider that a problem with the users, rather than the challenge

(Up|Down)goat falls for Geobits' ploy

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