The Nineteenth Byte

Kenny Lau

00:00

(although the ü in your surname would be too loose, more like a long üh in führer)

Martin Büttner

right, but there's no reason to assume that's the case :P

Alex A.

@Doorknob 0/10 not a Mac

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^^

Kenny Lau

Alright @MartinBüttner

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

It also brings all the boys, and everything else, to the yard.

Doorknob

00:01

@AlexA. Agreed. Except the first 1 in your message got cut off there. :)

2

Martin Büttner

@Doorknob I've been very happy with my ThinkPad (W520), but I can't tell you more than that, because I never keep up with current hardware.

Geobits

@Doorknob Both Lenovos I've had had problems after only a year or so. I don't know others' experiences, but I won't buy another.

Alex A.

@Doorknob ಠ_ಠ It did not get cut off. It was never there. ZERO OUT OF TEN.

Geobits

You're not gonna keep Win 10 on it though, are you? If so, I can't recommend anything at all ;)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Bálint remember the handy dandy edit button.. :P

@Geobits Other than a mac?

:P

Doorknob

00:03

@Geobits Of course not. First thing I'll do is install Debian.

Alex A.

@Geobits Surely Lenovos are better than HP laptops. All of the people I know who've had them (myself included) have had to constantly replace pieces and fix issues.

Geobits

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ What is this mac thing? Can't say I can recommend that either.

Alex A.

I probably put more money into fixing my HP laptop than I did buying it initially.

Geobits

@AlexA. Never had an hp laptop, so don't know.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Geobits ...

Doorknob

00:05

Anyway, this one lets you swap out batteries while the machine is still running, which is pretty nifty.

Geobits

Ooooooooh, mac. Right, right. The one that artists like to use because they're trying not to conform or something.

Alex A.

._.

Geobits

Yet all their friends (and I use that term loosely) use the same thing ;)

Alex A.

@Doorknob Why in the world would that be a useful feature

Bálint

@AlexA. lenovos are the computer world's Alfa Romeos

Alex A.

00:06

They look nice but they're actually poorly built cars that require constant maintenance?

Doorknob

@AlexA. Battery running low -> take out battery -> put in new battery

Alex A.

(My dad has had a few Alfa Romeos)

@Doorknob Battery running low -> plug it in

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Geobits ._.

Doorknob

@AlexA. A car disguised as a laptop? That's some Transformers-level stuff right there.

Geobits

@Doorknob 10/10 would use that feature once and forget to charge the other battery ever.

Bálint

00:07

Alex A.

Yeah that looks about right

Doorknob

@AlexA. Frequently not an option at school / places that are not home

Alex A.

@Doorknob You have to turn into a car, Morty!

@Doorknob Where do you use your laptop where you aren't near a power source? Plus I feel like the equipment required to charge your laptop would be roughly equal in weight and size to a separate battery.

Doorknob

@Geobits Supposedly the internal battery plus the swappable external one is enough for 17 hours without even having to switch it out. That I doubt, but it certainly couldn't be too bad :P

Geobits

Sure. I tried the whole "swappable phone battery" thing for a while. It was great, except I never ended up charging the one that was dead, so when I actually needed it....

The foresight is not strong with this one.

Doorknob

00:11

@AlexA. My school has surprisingly few outlets around it, and also airplanes/etc. (the shiny new ones have power sources but most that I go on don't)

Alex A.

@Geobits What about the fivesight?

Geobits

The fivesight is okay. Not great, but okay.

Alex A.

@Doorknob If the internal batteries are sufficient for 17 hours of use, surely that'd be sufficient for any reasonable plane trip or school day.

Geobits

^ this. I'd much rather have a larger (even if a bit bulkier) main battery than have to carry around a spare.

Doorknob

@AlexA. That's the internal one plus a separate one (the one that can be switched out). And like I said, I doubt that's really the case :P

Geobits

00:13

On a related note, my phone battery is a couple years old and really starting to suck :(

It's hard to decide whether to get a new phone or just a new battery :/

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

On a unrelated note, @Doorknob either didn't notice me mentioning him or didn't deem to reply. :/

Bálint

@Doorknob 1 plus thing wich can get broken

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Geobits Get a giant iphone, about 10".

Geobits

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Eww. 5.x" is the sweet spot for phones.

For phones

LegionMammal978

What's the chat message length limit, again?

Doorknob

00:15

500

Bálint

@Geobits What type of phone is it?

Geobits

@Bálint Nexus 5

@QPaysTaxes That's actually not as horrible as I was expecting it to be.

Bálint

@Geobits You should get a new one, it may be cheaper.

Geobits

I dunno, that's gonna make me feel very #firstworldproblems :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@LegionMammal978 500 or infinity on multiple lines.

Geobits

00:17

Kinda like buying a new printer when the ink runs out.

A Nerd - I

imgur.com/gallery/dLPVe

2

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes It's actually cheaper for some models, and I can affirm that I know people that have.

Bálint

Kinda like buying a nee car instead of a trabant

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@QPaysTaxes asdf repeated over and over.

> This sign is too goddamn big

fixed

o_O that new question

@QPaysTaxes relink?

Bálint

Meeeee

Geobits

00:19

@QPaysTaxes I did, and responded to it :(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

let U down

Bálint

And me l? ._.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ HAI

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Thanks! That's what most of my family and several friends always say.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ HAI

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:20

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ HAI

quartata

I'm never gonna "Give U Up"

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes Is this by Calvin's Hobbies

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

HAI TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD HAI (drinkbai)

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Well that wasn't creepy at all.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@AlexA. i think so

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:20

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ btw I thought your parents thought golfers were a bad influence

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes Could have been a posthumous release

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Geobits Creepy people can't complain about other creepy people.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yep.

sssshhhh

Geobits

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Yes we they can.

LegionMammal978

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

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LegionMammal978

00:21

Too bad formatting doesn't work :p

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@MartinBüttner is nice last I checked.

quartata

@AlexA. read this as post-hummus

Alex A.

@quartata Life after hummus is no life at all

quartata

Mmm hummus

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Life after eating hummus is with a hole that can never be filled except by burgers with hummus on them.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ wtf happened to the comic...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:22

finals

New Main Posts

1

Q: Calculate the Trump Tax

If elected president, Donald Trump plans to implement a system of four income tax brackets (full details can be found on his website here). Your job is to take two inputs, annual income and filing status (single, married, or head of household) and output the income tax that must be paid. Income ...

code-golf

Bálint

What the hell is hummus?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ಠ_ಠ

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

quartata

a spread made from chickpeas

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:23

and very tasty

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ at the question or at @Bálint?

Alex A.

Hummus

Hummus (/ˈhʊ.məs/, /ˈxʊ.mʊs/ or /ˈhʌ.məs/; Arabic: حُمُّص‎) is a Levantine and Egyptian food dip or spread made from cooked, mashed chickpeas or other beans, blended with tahini, olive oil, lemon juice, salt and garlic. Today, it is popular throughout the Middle East (including Turkey), North Africa (including Morocco), and in Middle Eastern cuisine around the globe. == Etymology and spelling == "Hummus" comes from the Arabic word حمّص (ḥummuṣ), meaning "chickpeas", and the complete name of the prepared spread in Arabic is حمّص بطحينة (ḥummuṣ bi ṭaḥīna), which means "chickpeas with tahini...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Both, I suppose.

It worked out nicely.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

okay

do you like hummus?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

no

but ignorance is bad

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

okay

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:24

I'm asking my teacher if I can use J on the final :p

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@QPaysTaxes ?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ this

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

what is the final about?

quartata

Speaking of tasty spreads anyone here ever had baba ghanoush?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

Bálint

00:28

I need to go, I'm tired

Good night everyone

LegionMammal978

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ [̸͍͚̦̤̮̽̇̏̂́t̸̬̞̭̖͉̂͆̈́̒͆ą̸̬̱͉͎̈́̌̃̀͝g̶̱͙͓̖͍͆͌̿̈́̔:̷͔̣͙̯̲̅̾̊͘͝a̷͈̤̼̻̋̆͋̓̕͜l̵̪̄̑̊̋͝‌̡̺̼͓e̴̢̯̱̬͓̓̏̈̉̚x̴̖̮̪͉̫̀͑̃̈́̾-̸͎̦̗̤͖̋͊̂̆̈í̴͚̱̘͚̥̈́͒͘͠s̷̛͎̻̝̹̯̐̈́͘͠-̸̡̛͙̺͉͍͋̇͑͝خ̶̆̀͝‌̘̱͓͙̼̆̌ا̴̨̣̹͕̪͑̀͋͠͠ط̷̫̦̟̮͉̊̽̈́̀͝ئ̴̧̥͍̰̥̽̎͘̚̕]̵̦̤̫̤̼̃̄̾̑͋

Alex A.

@quartata I like it better than hummus.

quartata

@mınxomaτ It's a spiky eared pichu

@AlexA. I really like it too

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

This was... disturbing...

Kenny Lau

What do you guys think? How much information should we be allowed to encode into the second input?

1

Q: Calculate the Trump Tax

If elected president, Donald Trump plans to implement a system of four income tax brackets (full details can be found on his website here). Your job is to take two inputs, annual income and filing status (single, married, or head of household) and output the income tax that must be paid. Income ...

code-golf

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:39

2

@quartata ... I just realized what your avatar is... noice?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:59

@LegionMammal978 took me a bit to figure that out.

trichoplax

Golfing on startups.SE

Sherlock9

Hello all :D

trichoplax

Greetings

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

hiya

Sherlock9

The bounty on my quipu challenge ends in 7 hours and the Pyth answer is sitting clear above every other answer on that challenge. Should I bite the bullet and award the bounty to Kenny's well-done Pyth answer, or wait till those 7 hours are up?

40

Q: Counting Quipu: Base 10 in the New World

Quipus are an ancient device used by the Inca in the Precolumbian era to record numbers in a base ten positional system of knots on a cord, which works as follows: Each cluster of knots is a digit, and there are three main types of knots: simple overhand knots; "long knots", consisting of an ...

code-golf number

Kenny Lau

01:09

Should this be made a standard loophole?

2

A: Calculate the Trump Tax

Pyth, 32 26 24 6 bytes JQ.vCE Test suite. 74892585093965377905208487730659359537614936740881725652453863997600444976 = single 74892585093965377905208487730659359537614936740881725652668629404830675504 = married 74892585093965377905208487730659359537614936740881725652526490039149933104 = head...

Sherlock9

I'm not sure how it works, so maybe?

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 There are two inputs. The second input can be three numbers that we choose.

I encoded the whole program into the second input

quartata

The numbers he picked encode the program in base 256

ninja'd

My internet is being weird today

@KennyLau I think it's allowed although it's debatable whether or not that falls under one of the input loopholes

Kenny Lau

@quartata It is allowed but all standard loopholes are technically allowed also

quartata

That's not what I meant by allowed

Kenny Lau

01:13

@Dennis Hi, what's your opinion on this?

@quartata Oh, you meant that it should not be made a standard loophole?

quartata

No, I didn't say that.

Kenny Lau

Then what did you mean?

quartata

What I said was "I think this doesn't fall under any standard loopholes"

Kenny Lau

Alright.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@KennyLau son you have done good things but wtf is that ._.

Kenny Lau

01:16

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Entire program encoded in base256

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I/O format abuse eleven

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I know, but woah

reminds me of a challenge I made once

shudders

Kenny Lau

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Which challenge?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'd rather not link it. It's not exactly a piece of artwork

Kenny Lau

You know, you only posted 26 questions

It's not a pain for me to scroll through them all.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:18

go ahead :3

Kenny Lau

But I won't, lol

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD

Chat mini challenge: given a number N, output it written in "square root form"; that is, take a number N, pretend it's under a square root, and write it in proper radical form.

e.g., 72 => 6, 2

Kenny Lau

you meant 6, 2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

uh

maybe

yes

Geobits

From the OP: Just don't be ridiculous.

Just sayin' :P

Kenny Lau

01:23

closed as too broad

Geobits

@KennyLau Oh I agree, but it still qualifies as 'ridiculous' to me ;)

As far as standard loopholes go, it doesn't fit any of them exactly, but this one is probably closest:

quartata

@Dennis Is there an inverse to ,? Like given a pair set the first element as the left argument and the second as the right

Geobits

62

A: Loopholes that are forbidden by default

Adding input or rules which weren't explicitly mentioned in the challenge There was recently a case where an answerer claimed Nowhere does it say the program can't (also) ask the user what the [result] is. Adding additional input or new rules, because they haven't been explicitly forbidden...

Kenny Lau

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ J*F+1rm,%hd2edrPQ8 9@/QJ2J

@Geobits Which is why the question I'm asking is "should this be made a standard loophole" instead of "is this a standard loophole".

Geobits

Right right. This is like exploiting a bug and telling the team afterward :P

Kenny Lau

01:27

Exactly.

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Didn't you advocate exactly this earlier?

Geobits

Well, as a joke, yes.

El'endia Starman

May 10 at 16:57, by Geobits

I always thought you were supposed to exploit it first, then report it.

@Geobits ;)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ROASTE
D

Geobits

I knew someone was going to bring that up ;)

Dennis

01:28

@quartata There's no way to tamper with the arguments except creating chains, but you can reduce over a pair with /.

Geobits

Anyway, I've gotta be off. Have fun with the exploits! :D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

bai

to anyone who knows J: how do I flatten a boxed list of arrays into a contiguous array? E.g. (1 2 ; 3 4 ; 5 ; 6 7 8 => 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8)

Kenny Lau

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's right in front of your eyes

;

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

really

I feel so dumb XD

thanks

Kenny Lau

no problem

Sherlock9

01:33

Geez, Kenny :D How many languages do you know?

Maltysen

@KennyLau your thing isn't optimally golfed, you can do .vC

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 With the help of docs, every.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

he knows a hole heck of a lot

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 Without docs, none.

Sherlock9

Fair enough XD

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:34

jolf has half docs. so you should know it halfway :p

Kenny Lau

@Maltysen It would decode the first input?

quartata

@Dennis I feel dumb. Suppose I have an array as a left argument and a number as the right argument. I want to pop (Ṫ) from the array and place the result in the right argument, but Ṫ{ operates directly on the left argument

I'm not too good at this stuff in general

Maltysen

@KennyLau does he enforce input order? If not you can use w/E

Kenny Lau

ok, thanks

Quill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ which chat thing

I've written like over 9000 chat extensions for different stuff

Kenny Lau

01:36

@quartata So, what you want to do is V = V + F(λ)?

Maltysen

@KennyLau actually, two bytes, "vC"

Kenny Lau

@Maltysen v doesn't work.

Maltysen

just encode the transpiled code with C

@KennyLau yeah it does, just not online

Kenny Lau

well ok...

I think the author is closing this loophole, so...

Maltysen

0

A: Pushing items in the sequence

Pyth - 10 / 1 byte + 1 = 11 Really cheaty, but it seems allowed, basically puts all the code in the options. Doing bonus now. It takes an array of ints, with 0 as falsey. The left value is: Y.append(eval(input())) or [i for i in Y[0] if i] + [0]*Y[0].count(0) The right value is: Y.append(eval...

quartata

01:38

@KennyLau I just want ρ = F(λ)

Kenny Lau

@quartata I think you can't change the right argument in the link

@QPaysTaxes hash?

orlp

Kenny Lau

@QPaysTaxes Not sure if this could help you:

grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/root/jdk/openjdk/…

0

Q: Random access to hash map values

What's the best way to design such a container, which can support randomized value access? but the container has to support other operations, such as insert key/value pairs and remove by key, with the best possible time performance. One way to do this is to combine hash map with array, but if ha...

c++ c

@Maltysen Well, ok...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

another J question: what's the shortest way to get the smallest nonzero element from an array?

good to note

Dennis

@quartata You cannot change the right argument, just call a new link/chain with the desired value as right argument. If you have [a, b] and you want to compute a+b, you use +/. If you have [a, b, c] and you want to compute [a+c, b+c], you use +Ṫ$ (without the $ if it's at the beginning of a monadic chain). The atom + can be replaced with a helper link reference such as ç.

Downgoat

01:45

Wear is actually coverall's method name ._.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes that's what I'm doing, but it's long

Downgoat

@QPaysTaxes it is

@QPaysTaxes I am not coding in Ruby yet but I am actively learning it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

<./@([:([:;<;._1)0&,)

so long ._.

rollercoaster of emotions

Downgoat

@Quill have you got coveralls working, or at least uploading?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I hope he wears coveralls whilst working

Quill

01:53

@Downgoat Somehow I broke my mocha setup

Downgoat

@Quill how?

Quill

I reinstalled node last night and renamed my system profile

Downgoat

.._. wyh

Kenny Lau

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ({.@/:~@#~)

{.@  NB. head of
/:~@ NB. sorted of
#~   NB. black magic that removes 0

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o_o

ah

it repeats each elements self times

Kenny Lau

01:55

bingo

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

that's clever!

Kenny Lau

thanks

Credits to this guy

20

A: How to filter a list in J?

The short answer 2 (~: # ]) 3 2 2 7 7 2 9 3 7 7 9 The long answer I have the answer for you, but before you should get familiar with some details. Here we go. Monads, dyads There are two types of verbs in J: monads and dyads. The former accept only one parameter, the latter accept two pa...

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ are you starting to like J more than JavaScript? D:

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat As much as I like J, I can't use it for conventional programming.

I just like to be involved in a distraction :p

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Why not? You can make C calls with it

Should be all you ever need

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:58

wat

@quartata how

quartata

@Dennis Ṫ doesn't seem to modify z despite what the wiki says

Kenny Lau

@quartata solid proof that it does

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ROASTE
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Kenny Lau

@quartata another proof

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