The Nineteenth Byte

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:00

@HelkaHomba But wouldn't the length of the number be so much more useful?

Easterly Irk

10/10 best youtube video I promise not the rick astley vevo, rick rolled, etc video.

El'endia Starman

Hmm...I'm thinking about having a 6pack operator instead of abs...

8

Easterly Irk

also

'YOUR CLOTHES. GIVE THEM TO ME.' 'Shit, uh ... you are now breathing manually!' 'I AM ALWAYS BREATHING MANUALLY.'

Helka Homba

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Maybe, but then an optional base arg seems necessary

Easterly Irk

@El'endiaStarman 0/10 too corny

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:00

@El'endiaStarman I'd love a 6 pack

Easterly Irk

sighs and stars

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ikr

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman that is too much soda. I'll stick with a 4 pack

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@HelkaHomba it could have a left argument

Easterly Irk

BAI for the night maybe, hopefully, just BAI ALREADY!

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk bai

what should reverse do a numbers?

Helka Homba

00:02

@EasterlyIrk Are you guys secretly advertising drinkbai.com ?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EasterlyIrk bai

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba oh shit, you just blew our cover

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@HelkaHomba ~~yes, that's my uncle Bae's company~~ No

Helka Homba

They do seems to have an eccentric ad campaign

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat You could make it reverse the number's representation, and again, you'd have to provide an optional base argument.

Downgoat

00:04

nah

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

As a lang maker, I would overload as much as makes sense.

El'endia Starman

Say, what do you guys think of storing a number's base with it?

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

(How) Can I tell git to source a file other than .gitconfig when it runs?

Easterly Irk

@HelkaHomba no

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman That's not a bad idea... is it, @Downgoat?

Easterly Irk

00:08

@Downgoat the same thing the challenge says to do

like reverse continous non-zero sections

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ಠ_ಠ

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What should the base be of the result of adding two numbers in different bases?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman We've had this conversation before, I think >_>

El'endia Starman

Yeah, feels like it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Apr 11 at 17:44, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9 mins ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

How should adding two numbers in different bases react?

Apr 11 at 17:45, by El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Add their values and output in either the first or second base.

Apr 11 at 17:45, by Solver

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ convert them and output as the first number's base

El'endia Starman

00:10

Haha, so we have.

Geobits

Add the values and output in base (b1+b2)/2.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ಠ_ಠ

El'endia Starman

Yeah no.

Geobits

What? It's elegant or something >_>

El'endia Starman

That'd be problematic if you add a binary and ternary number.

How do you write out a base 2.5 number?

Downgoat

00:11

@El'endiaStarman cry.

then round down

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD

Geobits

Fractional bases are a thing.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

they are

Geobits

Not a great thing, but a thing.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

what about base 0.5+1.5i and base 3j+4h-i+3

El'endia Starman

00:12

Oh, bases can be practically anything. I'm just thinking about how to display the representation.

quartata

This is weird. I've specified the path to the directory with -L and I have -llibnacl_spawn but clang still says it can't find it.

Will being a static library affect that? Do I need another option?

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman How are they represented now? Do it like that, but with a .5 :P

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Like 1.51.51.51.51.5?

Is the last "digit" a 1.5 or a 5?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o-o

El'endia Starman

I have an old Python program that converts between bases, and you can use :123: to denote a "digit" with the value 123.

Geobits

00:15

I'm not sure I understand the problem

orlp

i.imgur.com/n5iOc72.gifv

3

the kitten chooses the human

quartata

This is frustrating. I have all the libraries in order but clang is pretending they aren't there

@orlp You know C++ right? Do I need to specify something special to the linker when I'm dealing with static libraries (.a)?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@orlp d'awww

orlp

@quartata depends on the library

Downgoat

@orlp +2 for awww -1 for gifv

quartata

00:20

$NACL_SDK/toolchain/linux_pnacl/bin/pnacl-clang++ akoya.cpp -I$NACL_SDK/include/ -I$WEB_PORTS/out/build/perl/perl-5.20.2/ -L$NACL_SDK/lib/pnacl/Release/ -L$WEB_PORTS/out/build/perl/perl-5.20.2/ -L$WEB_PORTS/out/build/nacl-spawn/build_pnacl/ -llibnacl_spawn -lppapi_cpp -lppapi -lperl -o akoya.pexe -O2

This is the command.

El'endia Starman

@Geobits How do you display a number with "digits" that have decimals in a way that doesn't make any potential actual decimal part ambiguous?

orlp

@quartata try adding -static-libstdc++ -static-libgcc -static

at the front

El'endia Starman

I guess one way to do it could be to use a different decimal symbol for the "digits".

Geobits

Yea, you could use commas and dots.

quartata

@orlp What does -static do?

El'endia Starman

00:22

But , and ' have other meanings, so you couldn't copy-paste it.

orlp

@quartata well, sometimes -l libraries have both a static and a dynamic version

Geobits

Or double dots, but ew.

orlp

with the same name

El'endia Starman

Plus, Pytek also has a meaning for double dots.

orlp

@El'endiaStarman let's keep it appropriate for children here

El'endia Starman

00:23

@orlp You're the one making it inappropriate.

Geobits

So these limitations are the language's fault, not mine :P

quartata

PNaCl has its own newlib it automagically static links against I think. I'll try the -static but I'm not sure why that woud cause a -llibnacl_spawn not found error

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El'endia Starman

@Geobits Haha, well, double dots also has a language-independent problem: 1..5 could be one digit with the value of 1.5, or it could mean two digits where the first has the value of 1 and the second has the value of 0.5.

orlp

@quartata well, as I said, it depends on the library

El'endia Starman

00:25

Err, actually, that would be 1...5, right? Which is horrible.

orlp

some libraries make static libs available under a different name

Geobits

Yea, I do like the comma/dot better. That's why I ew'd at double dots when I mentioned it.

orlp

e.g. -lsomelib_s or -lsomelib_static

or some default to static, and have a -lsomelib_dll or smt

El'endia Starman

Lots of languages (and math too) have a meaning for commas as separators in a list.

Geobits

If you guys want to make it boring, though, just stay with integer bases ;)

orlp

00:27

@Geobits fuck it, let's go straight to transcendental quaternion bases

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18 mins ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

what about base 0.5+1.5i and base 3j+4h-i+3

much better

Downgoat

CheddarArrayToken {
  Code: 'avocad.juic().but.how.juic()',
  Index: 12,
  _Tokens: [],
  Errored: true }

D:

avocad juic errored

Geobits

Better yet, if you want to add numbers from two different bases, add the values and output in that base.

Downgoat

@Geobits I hope this is a joke

El'endia Starman

I'm thinking that one option might be something like num{2+i}[1 1.5 i].

Geobits

00:33

@Downgoat I would never make jokes about such a serious thing.

Downgoat

@Geobits ok, good. I thought you were serious for a second

Geobits

I am. It would make the function very simple.

El'endia Starman

Technically correct. However...

> 10 + 10
10

Geobits

Usability schmusability.

El'endia Starman

It could work if you also outputted the base.

Geobits

00:35

Technically correct is the best kind of correct anyway.

Ashwin Gupta

if anyone has free time: github.com/niwhsa9/Space-War/issues/1

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta mind logging the array?

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen mind logging?

what you mean?

El'endia Starman

@AshwinGupta You may have an issue with updating the array you're looping through.

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta [would you] mind logging the array

quartata

00:36

I'd post this to SO but I doubt anyone would answer

Ashwin Gupta

Oh yeah duh

sorry xD

sure

Downgoat

@AshwinGupta use the debugger it is 1000000x better than console.logging

Maltysen

:P

quartata

Don't think a lot of people use pNaCl

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Meh, more like 2x, if that.

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Maltysen

00:37

@Downgoat i doubt he can debug at 60 fps

Ashwin Gupta

@Downgoat does chrome have a built in deubgger?

or do i have to download one?

Downgoat

@AshwinGupta yeah

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta yes, but ^^^^

Ashwin Gupta

ok

Downgoat

@Maltysen of course you can

Ashwin Gupta

00:38

wait I'm give logging the arary shot first

Downgoat

better than console.logging 60 ftps

Geobits

Are you modifying the array while looping over it?

Ashwin Gupta

oh wait wt heck am I doing...

I didn't even push my code yet to the repo

how could you guys help me... when the codes not there

xD

orlp

mfw I might have to touch PHP

Ashwin Gupta

K code is pushed, let me try logging

Maltysen

00:40

@orlp what like for a job or something? I say resign

El'endia Starman

@Geobits I was thinking that too.

Geobits

It looks like it from a glance at the code.

Downgoat

@Geobits yeafh

El'endia Starman

@Geobits I was thinking that from his description of the problem.

Ashwin Gupta

@Downgoat little problem, using the debugger on the aliens arary doesn't say what # alien is in there, it just says the obj name, Alien.

Geobits

00:41

@El'endiaStarman Yea, I looked at the code just after he pushed it to confirm ;)

Downgoat

@AshwinGupta use the console to see the index

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta .map(function(i){i.number})

or whatever the code is for you

Downgoat

you should also be able to mouse over a variable to see it's value

Ashwin Gupta

oh

ok

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Ahhh, gotcha. :)

Ashwin Gupta

00:42

ty

Geobits

@Ashwin You're removing the aliens while looping over them, so the indices keep shifting. You're skipping one every time you remove one.

Downgoat

;_; I broke everything

Ashwin Gupta

@Geobits I literally was just about to say that LOL

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat O NO WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE

Ashwin Gupta

I figured it out like a second ago.

quartata

00:42

I see I missed more PHP hate

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman SHIT, I TRI CALL 911 BUT CAN'T WITH HOOVES

Ashwin Gupta

I realized after clicking through the array, the indexes don't match the stored index.

Ty geo lol :D

Ok, shoot now what should I do =/

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta js protip: deleting things from an array, use filter

no need to screw around with indices or splicing

Ashwin Gupta

filter

El'endia Starman

No thanks to me? ;_;

6 mins ago, by El'endia Starman

@AshwinGupta You may have an issue with updating the array you're looping through.

Downgoat

00:43

@QPaysTaxes your unicorn-ness is fake so it doesn't count as part of everything

Ashwin Gupta

@El'endiaStarman ty :D

El'endia Starman

:D

Ashwin Gupta

and too Malt

and downgoat

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta aliens=aliens.filter(function(i){i!=alienIwantToKill})

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes What have I started??

Oh. I see.

Well at least my horn is real.

Ashwin Gupta

00:45

@Maltysen yeah looking at w3 schools, so basically filter shows everything in the paremeter and removes everything else?

Maltysen

@Geobits a hallucination that we're graduating

@AshwinGupta filter keeps all things that pass the test

Geobits

@Maltysen This latest one is very convincing, if I do say so myself.

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen got you perfect :D

Downgoat

@AshwinGupta ಠ___________________________________________ಠ

Maltysen

@Downgoat what, w3?

Downgoat

00:46

no w3 ~~fools~~ schools

w3fools.com

Ashwin Gupta

@Downgoat ?

Maltysen

@Downgoat html5rocks.com/en is great

Downgoat

@AshwinGupta please never use w3schools, it is worse than jquerry

Ashwin Gupta

=/ ok lol

Geobits

So.... still better than js?

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Ashwin Gupta

00:47

y?

@Geobits roasted*

quartata

w3schools is great

Downgoat

@Geobits ಠ_ಠ

Maltysen

@Downgoat its not bad for quickly checking the arg list for something

Downgoat

@Maltysen yes it is

you can use MDN for that and it is better

w3schools is worse than PHP

Maltysen

@Downgoat I generally just use google and don't usually actually open up any of the entries. google knows that i only care about the arg list

<3 google

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:49

MDN is the best

Geobits

google is great like that

Downgoat

^^

epicTCK

also vanilla-js.com

El'endia Starman

I do love it when I can see my answer in the little blurbs that Google provides.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

?

Geobits

00:49

My google has gotten to the point where I rarely have to type the language any more. It just knows.

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen I don't understand the parameter i, what is passed to i?

Each element of the array?

is that done by default?

Maltysen

yup

Ashwin Gupta

Ah got it

Helka Homba

@Downgoat Can you give us some concrete examples of why w3schools is so bad? People always link to w3fools.com but it only gives vague reasoning

2

Ashwin Gupta

ty again

Downgoat

00:50

@El'endiaStarman they are called oneboxes

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta actually (element, index, entire array)

but you only care about the element

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen oh

hmm

I've found a new bug after solving the last one, of course...

epicTCK

@HelkaHomba because we have mdn.

Downgoat

1. There are many errors in their documentation.
2. They've chosen a name that misleads people into thinking they're affiliated with the W3C.
3. Far superior sources exist:
- Mozilla Developer Network
- WebPlatform.org
- HTML5 Rocks
- SitePoint
There's just no reason for people to use W3Schools beyond it often being at the top of search results.

@AshwinGupta programming in a nutshell

quartata

In my experience w3schools is great as an HTML quick ref

El'endia Starman

00:52

^

Helka Homba

@Downgoat I mean bad code examples, or false information found there

Downgoat

> There's just no reason for people to use W3Schools beyond it often being at the top of search results.

@QPaysTaxes yeah, it's horrible

Ashwin Gupta

Does anyone here do vex robotics?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat I often see MDN at the top nowadays

Ashwin Gupta

like for school team?

GamrCorps

00:53

@HelkaHomba I agree with you that w3schools is not necessarily bad, but I do wish it would go into more detail <s>some</s> almost all of the time. For most cases where you need to know about a specific topic, you can almost certainly only find the broad topic.

Geobits

The name thing is I guess objective, but point 3 is subjective at best, unless given good examples for point 1.

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yeah, that makes me feel like there is a glint of hope for web development

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat agrees

GamrCorps

^

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta i do

starstruck is soooooooooooo much better than NBN

Ashwin Gupta

00:53

VEX Starstruck - 2016-2017 VEX Robotics Competition Game

►

nvm

u've already seen

Maltysen

WE CAN EXPAND OUT OF 18!

epicTCK

I'm going to stop wasting time on the internet and go play some Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. On My rpi of course. ~~Illegaly~~

Downgoat

impressivewebs.com/w3schools-ugly-bad-good

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@epicTCK >_>

Geobits

@GamrCorps Isn't that what it's designed for, though? I don't get the impression that they're trying to be the end-all stop for the details.

Helka Homba

00:54

@Downgoat That sidesteps my question entirely

Geobits

@epicTCK Have you played A Link Between Worlds?

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen I 100% AGREE! NBN is stupid because, 1)can't expand past 18, 2)autonomous is pointless, no time to do anything but shoot preloads, 3)only valid strategy is a corner shooter that does nothing but sit in the same spot all game and shoot preloads

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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GamrCorps

@Geobits That is true, but just a little more detail would be nice sometimes.

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen the best was skyrise tho in 2014 :D

Maltysen

00:55

@AshwinGupta totally agree with you. so many viable options

Ashwin Gupta

yeah

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ even worse, they use inline JavaScript, and inline styles

Ashwin Gupta

Our skyrise bot was decent, we could get consistantly 6-7 skyrise sections then go and stack a few cubes on it.

Downgoat

Cheddar:T_REPL> avocad
━━ STDOUT ━━
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta did you see worlds tho? people were clearing the fields then emptying their bag from the corner in the last 30 secs

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:56

@Downgoat ewwwww

quartata

OoT is objectively the best

Geobits

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That is a lamp, if you're talking to any sort of engineer :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Geobits But the table isn't.

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen I didn't see the worlds =/ my teacher told my friends when it was when I was not in the room. LOL

Geobits

Sure it is. I love lamp.

Ashwin Gupta

00:56

@Maltysen thats crazy =/

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta we won states with skyrise ^.^ and this time we didn't even make it to states ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

GamrCorps

Idea: lets all get together to make a huge documentation site for all of our golfing languages that is even better than w3schools, MSDN, etc.

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen you guys must have been really good. Our teams are crap, our coaches don't know anything, I'm the only person in the entire class who knows any programming...

El'endia Starman

@GamrCorps Stack Overflow Documentation.

Ashwin Gupta

@El'endiaStarman @>@

El'endia Starman

00:57

Errr, golfing languages? Nevermind... :P

Maltysen

@AshwinGupta same with the programming part. we used to have seniors who were good tho

Geobits

And we could call it Golfing: Our Documentation.

Ashwin Gupta

@Maltysen I'm in middle school so we had no expierence people lol

Maltysen

@Geobits and we can make it as short as possible

Geobits

Oh sure, that's a given :)

Ashwin Gupta

00:58

I just REALLY hope I make the team next year =/, my high school is expecting like 60 applicants and only 10 get on.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I wish my school had programming competitions :(

Downgoat

@AshwinGupta you can always start your own team, right?

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ robotics

Ashwin Gupta

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ well its not really a progarmming competition, but yeah its cool

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

same dif

Ashwin Gupta

00:59

@Maltysen what state are you in?

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