The Nineteenth Byte

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:00

Function + class

El'endia Starman

You picked the good combination. :P

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ so JS's functions?

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Anyway, what do you mean by "evaluating a call stack"?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat I guess?

Downgoat

So this thing get's something like "2 2 +" which this thing evaluates

but if I make it a function error handling will be a little more difficult

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:04

how so?

Downgoat

I won't be able to pass around indexes / error symbols

or have some form of interrupting the call stack

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o

Downgoat

p

@QPaysTaxes how would I do that

a fuction just runs all at ocne

yeah

Sherlock9

@El'endiaStarman Thanks for your great response :D I was actually a little leery of reading all the articles and comments through

Did read some interesting comments. The full articles will have to wait for tomorrow though

El'endia Starman

All I read were the comments.

Sherlock9

20:11

Incidentally, the eevee fellow is the one who wrote the famous article of PHP hate

@El'endiaStarman Fair enough

El'endia Starman

The other link I shared from Hacker News was just a sharing of the same article that you linked me.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Can I haz tl;dr?

El'endia Starman

Paul Graham essentially argues that income inequality per se is not itself bad, but rather some causes of it, and startups are not one of these causes. The other person disagrees. Strongly. :P

Sherlock9

eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design

El'endia Starman

Well, a lot of it is arguing past each other, I think.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:13

Hm.

Sherlock9

Also, this interesting link about a language eevee would like to use if it existed eev.ee/blog/2015/02/28/sylph-the-programming-language-i-want

flawr

@Sherlock9 Fractals are beautiful

Sherlock9

They really are

@El'endiaStarman Seemed like it to me

Rather similar to how a lot of my debate club's debates go

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

> Learning the language should not require a complete upheaval of your mental model of the universe. (Sorry, Haskell.)

S/Haskell/J, Jelly, APL, etc./

flawr

> Why not?

orlp

20:19

Every possible combination with 9 characters: gist.githubusercontent.com/orlp/…

@KennyLau ^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9 or less?

Sherlock9

Trying to avoid languages with gotchas is why I don't like that my university's introductory programming courses use C and C++

orlp

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ well ye

Sherlock9

I wonder where the first skip is?

orlp

@Sherlock9 1418

Sherlock9

20:23

If I wasn't on my phone, I'd just write a program to search

@orlp Thanks. That's pretty high up :D

And it appears that there's no others for a while after that

orlp

>>> for n in range(-9, 10):
...     print(1418 - n, primefactors(1418 - n))
1427 [1427]
1426 [2, 23, 31]
1425 [3, 5, 5, 19]
1424 [2, 2, 2, 2, 89]
1423 [1423]
1422 [2, 3, 3, 79]
1421 [7, 7, 29]
1420 [2, 2, 5, 71]
1419 [3, 11, 43]
1418 [2, 709]
1417 [13, 109]
1416 [2, 2, 2, 3, 59]
1415 [5, 283]
1414 [2, 7, 101]
1413 [3, 3, 157]
1412 [2, 2, 353]
1411 [17, 83]
1410 [2, 3, 5, 47]
1409 [1409]

everything around 1418 are stupid primes

Alex A.

Say I read some GPL licensed code and translate it to another language. That's a derived work, right? Which means I'd have to license my code under GPL as well?

This seems like a question for our resident law expert, @mınxomaτ

@QPaysTaxes What's the cutoff between similar and direct?

Sherlock9

1900's (the decade) are missing a bunch, though I skimmed a bunch so I could have missed a bunch

2080's

orlp

first 10 missing

Sherlock9

Yep. Missed 1817, 1821, 1823 and 1826 on the first pass

ninja'd

2126, 2127, 2129, 2131

Easiest to look in long stretches of 9's

With few close 5's or 7's

Downgoat

20:35

does anyone care about tuples? Should I add a tuple literal in Cheddar?

Martin Büttner

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ jolf's online interpreter doesn't work for me. neither in FF nor in Chrome.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MartinBüttner uh oh

Martin Büttner

something about mixed content with js_beautify

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you must have not used babel ಠ_ಠ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

>_<

quartata

20:35

Jolf: 0 days since last major interpreter feature broke

2

Sherlock9

@Downgoat What are your other data structures like?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MartinBüttner Is js_beautify in the script head of the page?

Fatalize

@Downgoat "must of" twitch

Downgoat

@Sherlock9 arrays, dictionaries

@Fatalize see update

Martin Büttner

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yes but it's not loaded by the browsers

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:37

@MartinBüttner ._. wonder why

Martin Büttner

developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Security/Mixed_content

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ why are you using js_beautify on the client and not pre-compiling it?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat It's for the resulting jolf code

(i.e. the transpiled code)

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ use babel

it does that too

babel is the new jquery

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o_o

Alex A.

20:38

I swear Downgoat is the only person who uses Babel.

Downgoat

@MartinBüttner try using http instead of https on the jolf page

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ why isn't the code transpiled to be formatted correctly?

Downgoat

@AlexA. nope. 15,000 other people have starred it so at least 15,000 people have also used babel

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Maltysen Because it isn't.

Maltysen

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

> 50,0500

3

???

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:39

^

Martin Büttner

@Downgoat yeah that did it

Alex A.

@Maltysen Shhhh he'll edit it then ping me for the billionth time

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MartinBüttner so it works? :D

Downgoat

https is evil

Sherlock9

@Downgoat We'll, I've seen tuples as immutable data structures, and as heterogeneous data structures. What possible combination of DS features could you provide with tuples that arrays and dictionaries couldn't?

Downgoat

20:41

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ add window.location.protocol === "https:" && window.location.protocol = "http:" somewhere in jolf's interpreter

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat what would that do?

Maltysen

@Downgoat the one usecase for tuples I see for golfing is to have the string "()"

Downgoat

@Quill:

[Error] Syntax error @ 'PopcornSE'!
##########################
JSHINT output:
script: (W033) Missing semicolon on line: 139 at character: 144
script: (W030) Expected an assignment or function call and instead saw an expression on line: 144 at character: 48
script: (W030) Expected an assignment or function call and instead saw an expression on line: 145 at character: 14

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ install jquery

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ew

Downgoat

(that's a joke), it'll fix the protocol

that way chrome won't cry when the protocols are different

quartata

20:43

@Downgoat It took me 2 minutes to figure out how this works.

That syntax

short circuit abuse eleven

Downgoat

@quartata stop talking like a code reviewer!

code-golf=='good'

orlp

this is hilarious wtf

Ed Miliband Repeats Himself Constantly ~ Cyborg

►

Sherlock9

@Downgoat But your short circuit isn't golfy and it isn't using good syntax. So why?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat chrome ._.

Downgoat

@Sherlock9 oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, fixed:

3

location.protocol=="https:"&&location.protocol="http:"

flawr

20:46

@orlp Is this real???

quartata

@Downgoat x=location.protocol;x=="https:"&&x="http:"

Downgoat

@quartata ಠ_ಠ not fully golfed:

quartata

@Downgoat It's golfier.

Downgoat

(x=location.protocol)=="https:"&&x="http:"

quartata

Same length.

Downgoat

20:48

I can golf this, gimme a second

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

location.protocol.slice(0,4)=="http"

quartata

wuh

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

idk if that works

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ doesn't wek

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh well

orlp

20:50

@flawr I dno I just found it

Downgoat

one byte less:

Maltysen

@orlp do you remember where that spreadsheet we made for all the Pyth5 character reshuffling went?

Downgoat

(x=location.protocol).replace('s','');x=x

quartata

5 mins ago, by Sherlock9

@Downgoat But your short circuit isn't golfy and it isn't using good syntax. So why?

ha gottem

Maltysen

@Downgoat why doesn't location.protocol="http:" work?

Downgoat

20:51

@Maltysen because it results in an unecssary refresh

orlp

@Maltysen docs.google.com/document/d/…

Maltysen

@orlp cool thnx

wait its making me ask for permission

flawr

@orlp I just found this: youtube.com/watch?v=JinpVA6p8Mo

orlp

@Maltysen docs.google.com/document/d/…

Maltysen

@orlp wasn't it a sheets? or am I misremembering

orlp

20:54

@Maltysen I also have a sheets one

but this one is better formatted

Maltysen

didn't we make like the chars a-e be variables or something?

orlp

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…

this is the sheet

@Maltysen yes

a-e are the only variables

or well

only single-letter variables

Maltysen

oh k got it

orlp

except J/K

but those haven't been named yet

@Maltysen I might do some work on Pyth5 today

the big issue is that the sympy thing didn't work out, so I have to reinvent the number system

Maltysen

do you remember the global lambda var rotation order?

orlp

20:57

@Maltysen a -> b -> c -> d -> e -> a ad infinitum

Maltysen

k, i'm implementing that now

orlp

?

it is implemented

Maltysen

@orlp github.com/Maltysen/pyth_native

orlp

what do you compile to?

Maltysen

@orlp I don't

I just eval the AST

orlp

20:59

hate to break it to you, but that'll end up slower, not faster

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