The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

06:00

Of the 19 answers to this challenge, mine is the second oldest and one of four with no votes. ._.

Sherlock9

@KennyLau Apparently that's the correct interpretation. Suddenly, multiple tofu knew that multiple (other) tofu know.

Or something like that

Downgoat

ಠ_ಠ to whoever did the last submission

@ಠ_ಠ was that you?

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 finally I remember a remnant of reduplication in English

Alex A.

@Sherlock9 Tofu is awesome but AFAIK not sentient

Doorknob

llama@llama:...misc/oldstuffs/ruby$ ruby units.rb
3

all this program does is output 3

Kenny Lau

06:03

@Sherlock9 Basically, Latin and Greek both used reduplication to express perfect tense.

Sherlock9

No they aren't, except in some cartoons and this sentence

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 And English borrowed many words from them

Downgoat

Best birthday song:

Andrei Florea - Birthday

►

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 "insist" from Latin "insisto" from "in" + "sisto", from *stisto, reduplication of sto.

Doorknob

llama@llama:...misc/oldstuffs/ruby$ ruby story.rb
The bouncy car licked this big llama. That weird umbrella jumps over an invisible cat, but some orange helicopters lick several red red umbrellas. A llama poked that big llama! The helicopters eat lots of red llamas. These cars lick these potatoes! My fuzzy cat punched this umbrella, so no invisible helicopters poked all weird bouncy dogs? These umbrellas jump over these red books, so an orange red car punches my fuzzy circular cat!

...

Sherlock9

06:04

Breaking news: tahu*9: Tahu-tahu, tahu-tahu tahu tahu-tahu tahu, tahu?

Last one is ", you know?"

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 Where is the "you"?

Alex A.

Is Indonesian a tonal language?

Sherlock9

Nope

@KennyLau It's an expression

And the nearest English equivalent is "you know?"

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 I see.

Downgoat

Who here submitted: " Make alex evaluate to false always"

Kenny Lau

06:06

@Sherlock9 Can "tahu-tahu tahu" be repeated n times?

Downgoat

I need to know if alex should be a global, or just have special behavior when getting parsed in an expression

Sherlock9

@AlexA. a is pronounced ah, e a little like the "e" in egg, i as "ee", o as short o, u as oo but short

Alex A.

@Downgoat Quill

Downgoat

@Quill ^^^

should classes be able to access variables in the scope they were defined in?

Kenny Lau

(just want to share something)

Sherlock9

06:09

I don't remember if there are any exceptions to this pronunciation of the vowels except in foreign loan words. "game" with the "ay" sound has no equivalent so we have never transliterated it. Especially since the actual translation is the longer word "permainan"

Kenny Lau

I was very amazed when I saw that "a XOR b" is actually "a!=b", and "a XNOR b" is "a==b"...

Doorknob

@Sherlock9 IIRC this is by far the most common vowel system, /aeiou/.

Sherlock9

Alphabet goes: ah, be, che, de, eh, ef, ge, ha, ee, je, ka, el, em, en, o (short), pe, ki, er, es, te, oo, ve, we, eks, ye, zed

Kenny Lau

@Doorknob Virtually every romanization system uses /aeiou/.

Sherlock9

@Doorknob That's probably for a good reason :D

Kenny Lau

06:11

@Sherlock9 Don't you guys have your own alphabet?

Sherlock9

Nah, the Latin alphabet worked fine

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 Oh, I remember your language borrowing some words from Spanish? The alphabet also look Spanish

Alex A.

Apparently Spanish was written in the Arabic alphabet a loooooooooong time ago

Doorknob

@KennyLau pronunciation, not writing

Kenny Lau

@Doorknob Yes, I'm referring to pronunciation.

Sherlock9

06:12

q, v, x and z are already extra and we didn't need to add more, so

@KennyLau Possibly. I've heard that the pronunciation is similar, but the countries that I know we borrowed from are Sanskrit, Arabic, Portuguese, Dutch, and most recently, English

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 Does anak-anak mean anything to you?

@Sherlock9 Portuguese? Could you provide an example lol

Sherlock9

@KennyLau The answer to this is yes

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 cool.

In English we also have "police police police" * n

Sherlock9

List of loanwords in Indonesian

The Indonesian language has absorbed many loanwords from other languages, including Sanskrit, Arabic, Persian, Portuguese, Dutch, Chinese and other Austronesian languages. Indonesian differs from the Malaysian language in a number of respects, primarily due to the different influences both languages experienced and also due to the fact that majority of Indonesians speaks their native language as their first. Bahasa Indonesia function as lingua franca that unites 200 various languages over the archipelago. Vice versa, many words of Malay-Indonesian origin have also been borrowed into English. Words...

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 How do you say the weekdays?

Sherlock9

06:16

Monday to Saturday is from Arabic, Sunday is from Portuguese

Starting with Monday: Senin, Selasa, Rabu, Kamis, Jumat, Sabtu, Minggu

Kenny Lau

Sabtu must be saturday xd

Minggu looks strange at first sight

Domingo in Spanish

@Sherlock9 Does angpao mean anything to you?

Sherlock9

Yes, I love Chinese New Year :D

Being ethnically Chinese occasionally has its perks

Kenny Lau

List of loanwords in Indonesian

The Indonesian language has absorbed many loanwords from other languages, including Sanskrit, Arabic, Persian, Portuguese, Dutch, Chinese and other Austronesian languages. Indonesian differs from the Malaysian language in a number of respects, primarily due to the different influences both languages experienced and also due to the fact that majority of Indonesians speaks their native language as their first. Bahasa Indonesia function as lingua franca that unites 200 various languages over the archipelago. Vice versa, many words of Malay-Indonesian origin have also been borrowed into English. Words...

@Sherlock9 Do you know every word in this section lol

Sherlock9

Most. Some are unfamiliar to me

Kenny Lau

Like?

Sherlock9

06:21

Perhaps they haven't been used in common language for a while

Incidentally, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_alphabet

For the alphabet and reasoning

A bunch of the Minangkabau words

Kenny Lau

Do you guys say "gua" lol

El'endia Starman

I tried changing the URL of that Wikipedia article so that it would pull up the one for English. No such page exists, and that's because this one does...

Lists of English words by country or language of origin

These are lists of words in the English language that are known as "loanwords" or "borrowings," which are derived from other languages. For purely native (Anglo-Saxon-derived) words, see List of English words of Anglo-Saxon origin. List of English words of Australian Aboriginal origin English words of African origin List of English words of Afrikaans origin List of South African slang words List of English words of Arabic origin List of English words of Chinese origin List of English words of Czech origin List of English words of Danish origin List of English words of Dutch origin Dutch linguistic...

orlp

anyone else working on this?

4

Q: Quickly express a number with only 0-9 and the four operations, plus one more extra

Explanation Befunge is a two-dimensional program that uses stacks. That means, to do 5 + 6, you write 56+, meaning: 56+ 5 push 5 into stack 6 push 6 into stack + pop the first two items in the stack and add them up, and push the result into stack (to those of you who do not know stac...

fastest-code

Kenny Lau

@orlp Hi :)

Sherlock9

@KennyLau Kalau di Jakarta sih, iya, banyakan orang makai "gua loh" daripada "saya" atau "kamu". Tapi itu bukan kata baku

Alex A.

06:26

translate: Kalau di Jakarta sih, iya, banyakan orang makai "gua loh" daripada "saya" atau "kamu". Tapi itu bukan kata baku

(from Indonesian) If the Jakarta hell, yeah, banyakan people wear "caves of" rather than "I" or "you". But it's not raw words

Kenny Lau

@Sherlock9 I don't understand a word xd

Alex A.

Apparently neither does Bing

Sherlock9

In Jakarta (at least) we use "gua/gue" and "loh" a lot and not "saya" and "kamu" (I and you), but those are not formal words

lol Bing

Kenny Lau

so "formal words" literally translate to "raw words"...

Alex A.

According to Bing

Sp3000

06:28

@orlp No, but I'll be curious as to how you'll go :)

orlp

@KennyLau as a quick test, what is your shortest for 978?

@Sp3000 why not? seems like a good challenge for you

Kenny Lau

@orlp I have not developed a fruitful program yet...

orlp

shortest I have right now is 699*:::/++*

but that seems long

Sp3000

@orlp If I had any good ideas, I'd have used them for Starry Metagolf

Sherlock9

Considering the great, marvelous and complicated modifications that can arise in slang, raw may be pretty accurate :D

Ah no. The KBBI says "baku" means "main"

@orlp Which challenge is this?

orlp

06:31

wait, that doesn't even seem correct

Alex A.

6 mins ago, by orlp

4

Q: Quickly express a number with only 0-9 and the four operations, plus one more extra

Explanation Befunge is a two-dimensional program that uses stacks. That means, to do 5 + 6, you write 56+, meaning: 56+ 5 push 5 into stack 6 push 6 into stack + pop the first two items in the stack and add them up, and push the result into stack (to those of you who do not know stac...

fastest-code

Kenny Lau

@orlp My (incomplete) program generates 6926*9**+

orlp

well, my solution is obviously bad

just by hand inspection 699*:1++* is shorter

Sp3000

I was going to say 58+:*6-6*, but same length

(also by inspection)

Sherlock9

Can I get another test case to try? This challenge is fun to do by hand :D

Cameron Aavik

06:41

hello, haven't been here in a while :P

Sherlock9

Hello Cameron

Sp3000

Initial test case ideas: 1, 11, 26, 27, 100, 2431, 3727, 86387, 265729, 1921600, 57168721, 4747561509943. All should be doable in at most 11 instructions (assuming - and / mean second op top). — Sp3000 4 hours ago

Cameron Aavik

I was reminded of this place when I noticed some people from here doing google codejam

orlp

I doubt anyone will even get 1921600

remember that you must guarantee optimality

Sp3000

The proposed test cases aren't for timing, they're for showing correctness

Or rather, I wanted to see what people got

Cameron Aavik

06:45

I remembered Sp3000 as he came 13th in Australia in quals and I came 15th :P

orlp

@Sherlock9 936

or 306

Sherlock9

Thanks orlp. I'll try those and then I'll try 1921600 because I'm a little nuts :D

Sp3000

57*1-9* for 306, 5 doesn't look doable

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Alphabetization 101 (popularity contest) Your task is to use all 52 letters of both the uppercase and lowercase alphabet, ONCE and ONCE only, and make a program. You are free to use any other ASCII character more than once, or use a letter of the alphabet more than once if it's required for the...

orlp

@KennyLau what do you have for 954

Kenny Lau

06:50

@orlp 27898+**+

orlp

hrm, just as long as 369*::*-/

Sherlock9

@CameronAavik How'd you do in 1A?

Cameron Aavik

I had an exam during it :(

Sherlock9

I had a class

Cameron Aavik

1a started 30 minutes before my exam

Sherlock9

06:52

Also, I overslept

Cameron Aavik

I did the first problem before going in

as soon as I came out of the exam there was 30 minutes left and I didn't have enough time to get all correct so I just decided to get lunch instead

DerpfacePython

Hello

Kenny Lau

@DerpfacePython Hi! :)

@DerpfacePython What is your question?

orlp

@Sp3000 is there a point to negative numbers?

like, will it ever be shorter?

I don't think so

Sp3000

I can't think of any, but I haven't proven it so dunno

DerpfacePython

06:57

How do you turn 24 into 2 4?

orlp

@DerpfacePython in Pyth?

or

Sherlock9

@orlp 55*5+:*6:* this probably isn't optimal

Kenny Lau

@orlp In BF

DerpfacePython

Like, split it into a "tens" column and a "ones" column?

BF

Kenny Lau

@DerpfacePython Well, where is your pointer?

DerpfacePython

06:57

On the 24

Kenny Lau

oh ok

DerpfacePython

Thanks

Sp3000

@Sherlock9 I assume you're missing a + at the end of that

zyabin101

Hello

Sp3000

For 936, just straight 58+9*8* looks pretty good

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