The Nineteenth Byte

flawr

00:07

Is ans accepted as input method? — flawr 20 secs ago

El'endia Starman

@flawr The first (and highest-scoring) TI-BASIC answer does use Ans for input.

I think it's been accepted for a while.

RikerW

00:26

Is marky stupid? Apparently.

41 secs ago, 7 seconds total – 3 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 7 secs ago by RikerW

Cyoce

The less pew pew more qq script:

alias +q q
alias -q q
alias q lastinv
bind q +q

mınxomaτ

A LOVELY BABY | Ashens

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LOVELY

PhiNotPi

Spontaneous compsci question: what is the most efficient human sorting algorithm?

As in, I physically have a deck of 200 random cards and want to sort them, how would I do that it the least time?

Maltysen

I would think insertion sort would be pretty good

Aqua Tart

A selection sort makes the most intuitive sense (as far as how the algorithm works), so you'll probably spend less time with it than say a quick sort where you'll be muttering to yourself "hmmm pivots"

Eridan

00:42

Isn't the separate-each-number-put-them-in-piles-ordered-by-suit-then-reorder-the-numbers sort the best one for that?

Nathan Merrill

@PhiNotPi I believe I saw a video on that

The Best (and Worst) Ways to Shuffle Cards - Numberphile

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Aqua Tart

@Eridan you mean a bucket sort of some kind?

I suppose.

Eridan

I guess?

I don't know the names of the sorts, just how they work :P

PhiNotPi

@NathanMerrill Unless I'm wrong, that looks like it's just about shuffling, not sorting.

Nathan Merrill

oh, my bad

for some reason, I was reading shuffling :P

2706

Q: Pair socks from a pile efficiently?

Yesterday I was pairing the socks from the clean laundry and figured out the way I was doing it is not very efficient. I was doing a naive search — picking one sock and "iterating" the pile in order to find its pair. This requires iterating over n/2 * n/4 = n2/8 socks on average. As a computer s...

Eridan

00:46

By the way, yes, I was talking about the bucket sort

PhiNotPi

The bucket sort is probably best if you have a typical deck of cards, where you know what all of the values are.

RikerW

@mınxomaτ minus wan too creepy

Nathan Merrill

thinking about myself: if I have a hand of cards (relatively small size, unknown values), I do an insertion sort

RikerW

Aaaand a discord.

PhiNotPi

Did somebody say Discord?

ETHproductions

01:01

Random JS question: Do local storage items go between subdomains, i.e. codegolf.stackexchange.com and chat.stackexchange.com? I'm trying to create an option to disable the userscript in chat only, but it doesn't seem to be working.

I guess not :(

RikerW

@PhiNotPi Yes.

Nathan Merrill

ewww gross: stackoverflow.com/a/1981681/1769273

orlp

guys

I need some help

an uncle of mine has a young daughter that won't stop crying and screaming in the middle of the night

Nathan Merrill

they are recommending storing data in window.name

orlp

he tried to visit her grave and ask her to stop, but it doesn't help

Alex A.

01:15

._.

ETHproductions

@NathanMerrill That won't work for storing it forever

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I just had my first nap in a month X3

RikerW

@orlp Try digging her up and putting her in alex's yard.

ETHproductions

What's a nap?

RikerW

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ good?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:18

yeahhhhhh

Nathan Merrill

@ETHproductions regardless, its terrible and hacky

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

dreams are always fun

@NathanMerrill Naps are?

:3

ETHproductions

@Nathan I'm gonna see if a cookie will work instead

ew cookies

Nathan Merrill

why is VTC suspended?

ETHproductions

So he can focus on his schoolwork

Nathan Merrill

01:19

oh, didn't he ask

ninja'd

ETHproductions

yup

Geobits

@RikerW go ahead

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

wit really? XD

Downgoat

@ETHproductions I think GM_setvalue does that though I may be wrong

RikerW

@Geobits Thanks.

ETHproductions

01:21

@Downgoat What's GM_setvalue?

Downgoat

OH SHIT WE'RE GRADUATING????

12

how did I miss that

Nathan Merrill

hmmm, who wrote the userscript?

RikerW

@ETHproductions How about a button in chat itself?

Downgoat

that's awesome

Aqua Tart

@Downgoat *graduated

RikerW

01:21

@Downgoat ROFLMAO

Aqua Tart

We just don't have the design yet.

Doorknob

@Downgoat yer a bit late...

ETHproductions

@NathanMerrill Downgoat, me, Molarmanful, Conor O'Brien, and a ton of others

Downgoat

@Doorknob I was pretty busy today...

ETHproductions

@RikerW That's a good idea; where might it be positioned?

Nathan Merrill

01:22

it'd be awesome if the userscript had an "activity rating", which a simple formula of actions_performed/time_spent_on_page

ETHproductions

What do you mean? Like as an average of all users or just you?

Nathan Merrill

then you can compare yourself and see if you are more active or lurky

just you

ETHproductions

Oh OK

That might be cool, you should post it as a feature request

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat Happened to me too

PhiNotPi

@ETHproductions I wrote a couple lines of it once, but I'm 99% certain that everything I'd written was replaced/rewritten by the next revision.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:24

BTW is the userscript not working?

ETHproductions

It works for me

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

weeird

Downgoat

I'm still in shock that we're graduating...

ETHproductions

It stopped working when they removed the "beta" this morning, try installing the latest version if you haven't

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh lel

ETHproductions

01:25

ikr

Downgoat

Should it just be called a "Design Userscript" now?

ETHproductions

Maybe...?

Adnan

in The 2nd Monitor, 7 hours ago, by Simon Forsberg

@Jamal Noooooooooooooo! But at least we were first.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

>_>

Adnan

Are we now going to have a war with Code Review? :p

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:26

Hi Forsberg. I appreciate your innate love for us and the graduation of our community, and the maturity to not succumb to the internet cliche of "First!".

Adnan

succumb

PhiNotPi

Is a raid going to happen?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I hope our troll doesn't get wind of this <_<

Ah, there we go.

ohmigerhd what did you guys do to the userscript

orlp

Downgoat

gif of my response to our graduation

PhiNotPi

01:31

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yeah, it looks pretty borken right now.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@PhiNotPi At least the dark theme.

Downgoat

'qS(".beta-title")' is undefined

the userscript got overwhelmed by graduation

ETHproductions

Update to latest version

orlp

> This site has reached this point because of your generous contributions. Together, you've created a valuable resource that helps people.

BAHAHAHA

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

We do help people spend time

Maltysen

01:36

TBH, we have inadvertently created a giant repository of CS example problems, test cases and all

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orlp

@Maltysen sure, but good luck trying to figure out the answers :P

Maltysen

lel

Alex A.

lel

orlp

area of an ASCII polygon?

simple, FNs.zx=Z}N"\/L"aY|}N"\/V"yZ;sY

retina is even better

;`\s
_
;`\\
/
;`.+
o$0iio
;+`(o(?=/.*(i)|L.*(ii)|V.*(io)|_)|i(?=/.*(io)|L.*(o)|_.*(ii)|V.*(i))).
$1$2$3$4$5$6$7$8
;`o
<empty>
;`ii$
#:0123456789
;+`^(?=i)(i*)\1{9}(?=#.*(0)|i#.*(1)|ii#.*(2)|iii#.*(3)|iiii#.*(4)|iiiii#.*(5)|iiiiii#.*(6)|iiiiiii#.*(7)|iiiiiiii#.*(8)|iiiiiiiii#.*(9))
$1#$2$3$4$5$6$7$8$9$10$11
:.*|\D
<empty>

couldn't be clearer

Maltysen

@orlp as a bonus, it does I/O in unary

Nathan Merrill

01:39

@Downgoat I explored your website, but its all full of esolang nonsense

ETHproductions

Woot, got the chat thingy to disable with a cookie :D

Alex A.

@NathanMerrill So is this site

Nathan Merrill

@Maltysen I wish my CS department would do KoTH challenges

if I ever teach beginning CS, I'm totally going to make the final project a KoTH

actually, I don't care about the level of CS, I'll still always use a KoTH

orlp

I need to shave lol

but then I look 14 again

fml

ETHproductions

Anyone who wants to be able to disable the new userscript design in chat, please re-install the userscript.

Maltysen

01:44

@ETHproductions :/

ETHproductions

@Maltysen whoops, duh :P

Maltysen

ohh that makes more sense

I thought u were making a joke about the userscript not working

RikerW

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Links are too dark @down

RikerW

In the middle of that.

ETHproductions

01:47

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I agree, will change now

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

thanks :D

Aqua Tart

@NathanMerrill hahaha

RikerW

@orlp how old are you now?

89?

Or 3?

OR BOTH??

Alex A.

@orlp So this is you? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

RikerW

He doesn't look like what I expected.

I though he would be purpler.

orlp

01:51

@AlexA. ye

@RikerW guess :P

ETHproductions

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Done.

Alex A.

@orlp 21?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\o/

RikerW

@orlp I did.

orlp

@AlexA. cheater

RikerW

01:52

21?

I is no cheater.

Alex A.

@orlp How I am a cheater? I guessed...

RikerW

^

88?

orlp

@AlexA. kk

Alex A.

@orlp ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Maltysen

> I am a 21 year old computer science undergraduate…

RikerW

01:52

orlp

cheaaters EVERYWHERE

RikerW

From my chrome console.

WTF?

Alex A.

@Maltysen lel is that on his profile?

Maltysen

@AlexA. his SO careers profile

Alex A.

@Maltysen That's so careers of you

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:53

@RikerW chat userscript

so annoying

RikerW

Really?

Downgoat

@RikerW that's from the sandbox viewer

I needed someway to know that WebSockets were working so I just had it log that

RikerW

> error during websocket update

#fail

Downgoat

D:

RikerW

lol

Welp, your helpful messages failed.

Link to the marking your answer as non-competing loophole?

Downgoat

01:58

meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8224/40695

it's been deleted though

RikerW

Okay.

So that doesn't apply anymore?

Downgoat

Just link to this:

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A: Definitive policy about answers not meeting the challenge specification

Scope As I see it, there are five types of invalid answers: Answers that produce incorrect results. This is the most common type, and usually an accident. Answers that produce correct results, but break a rule of the challenge, ignore parts of the spec or violate a loophole. For example, ans...

RikerW

I live there too!

Downgoat

does that look better for chat?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Riker did you read that?

> Marking an answer as non-competing does not exempt it from being invalid. The only exception to this rule is using a programming language (or a feature thereof) that was implemented after the challenge was posted.

RikerW

02:00

Yes.

Anonymous

What's the answer in question?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Jolf was made after the challenge therefore exempt.

RikerW

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/4/…

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

0

A: ROT-13 transform standard input

Jolf, noncompeting (language postdates challenge) Jolf, 3 bytes Try it here! ,Ri ,R rot13 i the input I'm sorry, but I'm not. I implemented this because it appears often in code-breaking puzzles, which I use Jolf a lot for, and recently used in an ARG. \o/ A longer one (try that one here...

RikerW

um

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:01

The only exception.

Read that sentence again.

RikerW

crap

Anonymous

You can have an answer that's non-competing iff the only reason it isn't valid is because the language/feature postdates the challenge

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"The only exception to this rule is using a programming language that was implemented after this challenge."

RikerW

> crap

I get it now,

Sorry.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^_^

It's good.

ETHproductions

02:01

Of course ROT-13 was one of the first challenges we had...

RikerW

sheepish grin

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I thought I had seriously misunderstood policy. >_>

Anonymous

Essentially the extra verbage was added to the policy answer because some people were marking answers non-competing that were invalid for reasons other than the language/feature postdating the challenge

RikerW

I get really confused about question numbering systems on SE.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

18 score from bronze math badge!

ETHproductions

02:03

Nice!

niceja'd

RikerW

Oh, Nice!

Aqua Tart

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 20 score here :/

RikerW

I seem to be having problems. >.<

Anonymous

Oh man

RikerW

wat?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:04

@AquaTart 20 there or 20 way?

Anonymous

Aqua Tart

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 20 score to go

Maltysen

@Mego wanna trade upvotes ;P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh nice!

RikerW

@Mego rofl

ETHproductions

02:05

My Japt answer to the roots question goes for 6 hours without an upvote, then picks up two in 5 minutes? O_o

Anonymous

And I just slid into #10 for the week, beating out Martin

RikerW

Nice.

@ETHproductions Nice.

I am nicebot.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ETHproductions I know I did one, and I just got upvotes on my own posts. Someone must have just gone through the question.

Maltysen

^ nicebot

RikerW

I IZ NICEBOT ALL OTHERS ARE INFERIOR

Nice bot though.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:07

ha. haha. hahaha...

Maltysen

@RikerW no, he's actually called nicebot

RikerW

Oh, nice.

Wow, that is cool.

> Something nasty or insulting is posted to Twitter every 60 seconds, and not all of it is directed at Justin Bieber.

orlp

guys help

the walls are bleeding

RikerW

cooooool

send me some

blooooood i mean

Alex A.

@orlp LSD?

RikerW

02:11

strawpoll.me/6904183

orlp

@AlexA. no, there's blood coming out of the walls

Maltysen

we should have strawpoll oneboxing

Alex A.

Get a Band-Aid

RikerW

@Maltysen I know.

Aqua Tart

@orlp I take you nicked yourself a bit while shaving.

RikerW

02:13

s/a bit/oodles

s/shaving/giving blood/

Maltysen

^ missing the closing /

ETHproductions

s/nicked/slashed open/

orlp

the mods are away

quick, post cats!

ETHproductions

can we use bots?

Downgoat

Can we post goats?

Maltysen

02:17

Anonymous

Does anybody here know O? The docs are woefully incomplete

Maltysen

@Mego is that the one @phase made?

ETHproductions

not me, sorry

Anonymous

@Maltysen Yeah

Maltysen

the only thing I remember was that consecutive digits count as separate numbers

Anonymous

02:18

He doesn't even have a list of commands lying around anywhere >_>

ETHproductions

I guess the best you can do is look through the github code

Aqua Tart

@Mego You have to look through the source.

RikerW

@AquaTart oh god @Mego don't go into that horror

Downgoat

Anonymous

I am looking at o.c, unfortunately

Anonymous

02:22

And it really makes me want to grab a pool noodle and beat phase with it

Anonymous

And then offer him as a sacrifice to C'thulhu because this code is an eldritch abomination

Anonymous

i'a i'a o.c ftag'n

Alex A.

I like to think of it as the yin to good code's yang.

RikerW

I though about asking him if I could CR it.

:P

Anonymous

@AlexA. I like to think of it as the wang to the good code's win

RikerW

02:23

I want to see CR's reactions.

Does imgur itself onebox?

Or only the raw?

El'endia Starman

@RikerW If it's the actual image URL, then yes. Otherwise, no.

RikerW

@phase can you post o.c on CR?

Alex A.

It's not your own work, so no.

RikerW

okay, no.

Anonymous

Like, the power function doesn't even work

RikerW

02:26

Well, anybody wanna go through it and recreate an interpreter?

Anonymous

No

Anonymous

Oh good, the interpreter doesn't even compile

RikerW

2

@Mego lol

A cat gif is worth a 1000 cat pictures.

Even if it is a gif of pictures.

Anonymous

Oh it's a freaking submodule

Doorknob

Why not a regular submodule?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:32

Because freaking are the best

Anonymous

0

A: Golf the xᵗʰ root of x

O, 6 bytes j.1\/^ No online link because the online IDE doesn't work (specifically, exponentiation is broken) Explanation: j.1\/^ j. push two copies of input 1\/ push 1/input (always float division) ^ push pow(input, 1/input)

Anonymous

Despite extreme difficulties in getting the language to work, I managed

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi When I had to sort a bunch of invoices by date (month-year), I used merge sort in general and insertion sort on small piles, like 3-5.

RikerW

lol

El'endia Starman

I think it was a good balance between speed and feasibility.

RikerW

02:38

@El'endiaStarman invoice=bill

correct?

El'endia Starman

yup

RikerW

Okay.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

bills suck >>

RikerW

I suck at common words.

El'endia Starman

They weren't mine though. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:38

o_O

RikerW

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Looking at the guy who has lost $167.24 over the last year.

I suck at money.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@RikerW I lost $0!

RikerW

@El'endiaStarman who's then? @ಠ_ಠ's?

El'endia Starman

The high school I went to in junior and senior year required every student to do three hours of volunteer (in the sense of not paid) work every week. Mine was in the business office.

RikerW

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I lost as in literally forgot where tehy are.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:39

@RikerW >_>

I don't have money to keep track of.

RikerW

I am voting to close. Any other opinions?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's not close-worthy.

RikerW

Eh, maybe.

IDK.

Needs some test cases.

Doorknob

which question?

El'endia Starman

I downvoted too, but didn't vote to close.

@Doorknob Xth root of X.

RikerW

02:41

@Doorknob the xth root one.

Doorknob

for what reason?

RikerW

Either too broad or unclear.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

neither apply.

Doorknob

... how is that either broad or unclear?

RikerW

whatever.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:42

ninja''''d

RikerW

I was thinking that it needed more specs, but I guess it just needs more test cases.

Nathan Merrill

short != close

RikerW

I commented but didn't vtc.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

gnight

RikerW

night conor

Alex A.

02:54

@RikerW In general, negatively scored or otherwise poorly received doesn't mean it should be closed.

Sometimes well received things should be closed.

Nathan Merrill

Chris Turner One Liner Comedian

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@AlexA. and often are

Anonymous

The question is very trivial (hence the downvotes), but it's on-topic, clear, and well-defined

Anonymous

I give up on understanding the O source code

Anonymous

rm -rf o

Doorknob

o no

Anonymous

02:59

there goes tokyo

Alex A.

@Doorknob What you did there has been noticed by senpai

Doorknob

^.^

Is marky stupid? Apparently.

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