The Nineteenth Byte

SuperJedi224

00:00

Thanks.

Now there's only 14 bytes difference between the version with the library and the version without the library.

@quartata The smallest digit string not appearing within the 10k decimal places is 1004.

@Doorknob冰 Hello

Doorknob 冰

o/

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@SuperJedi224 Remove the c declaration:

main(String[]a){Long b=new Long(a[0]),d=new Long((a=a[1].split("/"))[1]);System.out.println(b*d+new Long(a[0])+"/"+d);}

Alex A.

@Doorknob冰 Hello

Doorknob 冰

o@

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@SuperJedi224 Make it print instead of println.

Alex A.

00:06

@Doorknob冰 I noticed you haven't updated your avatar to the creation you were working on yesterday.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Doorknob 冰

@AlexA. I will do such things post-Bash

SuperJedi224

I already did that. Twice. Why does that ln keep sneaking back in?

Alex A.

@Doorknob冰 I will allow this.

FlagAsSpam

Idk man. It was there when I looked at it.

SuperJedi224

00:08

According to revision history, it was removed in revision 2 and snuck back in in revision 4 somehow.

It must have been my other answer that I removed it from the other time.

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@SuperJedi224 Use lambda format:

x->{Long b=new Long(x[0]),d=new Long((x=x[1].split("/"))[1]);return b*d+new Long(x[0])+"/"+d;}

You have to specify that x is a String[].

(it doesn't say it has to be a full program. c:)

Doorknob 冰

The output of i3-msg -t get_tree is... very verbose o.o

quartata

@SuperJedi224 Interesting.

Alex A.

@Doorknob冰 Whatever this is, it's neither sticky nor urgent.

quartata

Can I see the code you're using?

SuperJedi224

00:11

@quartata The current version:

import java.io.FileNotFoundException;
import java.io.PrintStream;

import sj224.tflp.math.*;interface F{
	static void main(String[]a) throws FileNotFoundException{
		BigRational b=new BigRational("0");
		String k="";
		for(int i=1;i<=50000/*probably high but it's best to be safe*/;i++){
			k+=i;
		}
		String q=BigRational.TEN.pow(k.length()).divide(new BigRational(k)).toString(10000);
		System.setOut(new PrintStream("log.txt"));
		for(int i=0;i<10000;i++){
			int j=q.indexOf(""+i);
			System.out.println(j<0?"NOT FOUND":j);

Alex A.

@SuperJedi224 s/\t/ /g

quartata

Oh it uses Ten Foot Long Pole?

One second acquiring

SuperJedi224

@quartata Ten Foot Laser Pole

quartata

@SuperJedi224 Ah.

FlagAsSpam

@SuperJedi224 Lambda can be a function that returns a type - using the code I posted above and specifying that it accepts a String[] and returns type String is a valid form of Java answer.

You can apply the lambda conversion to the TFLP answer and I don't think you have to include the import declarations (going to look up citation for that now.)

SuperJedi224

00:15

@FlagAsSpam I'm pretty sure you do.

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@SuperJedi224 I've seen people exclude them before... I'm looking around for where I saw it.

SuperJedi224

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Q: Using libraries in solutions

Languages differ greatly in the amount of functionality contained in the main namespace. Most of the PHP main functions, have counterparts in Perl core libraries. What should the policy be on character counts in such cases? For example, my solution for the NxN spiral used the Perl library Math::...

discussion

Alex A.

CJ Dennis

1.5k 5 17

code-golf ascii-art kolmogorov-complexity popularity-contest math number source-layout

Approximate @Dennis sock confirmed???

cat

Does anyone know how to take a random number between 0 and 1 and turn that into a random int in any range?

FlagAsSpam

Multiply by range...?

SuperJedi224

00:19

floor(rand*(b-a+1))+a

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^

cat

@SuperJedi224 aha, thanks.

quartata

Replace floor() with the appropriate int cast depending on language

cat

@quartata mhm

quartata

In some languages floor gives you a float so beware

Alex A.

00:20

@quartata Like Julia

Unless you explicitly say floor(Int, x)

FlagAsSpam

Why would floor give you a float?

SuperJedi224

@quartata In which case you can generally cast to an int

FlagAsSpam

That's literally the opposite of what you want to do.

quartata

@FlagAsSpam Because....

It is slower to cast it to an int afterwards

And you may be just fine with a float

cat

@FlagAsSpam I think some languages only use floats internally

quartata

00:22

It gives you more choice

cat

^

FlagAsSpam

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ With autoboxing to float in operations anyways, it shouldn't matter.

cat

@FlagAsSpam I don't know what autoboxing is but I assume it's out of scope of my tiny, innocent, ancient language

quartata

@cat Casting from primitives to wrapper objects

It's a Java thing

FlagAsSpam

@quartata Not just that.

cat

00:23

@quartata oh, i see

FlagAsSpam

Autoboxing also has to do with overloading of operators.

Alex A.

I have posted a lot of answers today.

SuperJedi224

I don't think an implicit cast from a primitive to another primitive is actually autoboxing

It's just an implicit cast

quartata

^

FlagAsSpam

@SuperJedi224 Yeah - wrong terminology on my end. :D

SuperJedi224

00:26

@quartata JS does it as well.

FlagAsSpam

Community is Batman.

meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/-1/community

Doorknob 冰

you're welcome :P

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xD Why am I not surprised?

Thomas Kwa

Regarding meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/7741/39328

What if we made answer upvotes only count for 5 rep each?

Alex A.

@ThomasKwa Why?

quartata

00:29

@ThomasKwa No

Thomas Kwa

That would be interesting. I don't know if that would be giving too little rep, though.

Alex A.

What's your reasoning?

Doorknob 冰

^

Thomas Kwa

I'm not saying it's a good idea

Alex A.

I don't think people should be given less incentive to post answers.

FlagAsSpam

00:30

@ThomasKwa As le fencer said - no.

Thomas Kwa

@AlexA. Doesn't more incentive for questions = less incentive for answers?

Alex A.

Not necessarily

Doorknob 冰

no

Thomas Kwa

We're already one of the SE sites that give lots of rep, right?

El'endia Starman

I'm pretty sure questions/answers isn't really a zero-sum game.

Doorknob 冰

00:31

@ThomasKwa You should try Arqade, if you think that :P

FlagAsSpam

@ThomasKwa Because we all up vote instead of just huffing and scrolling back up?

Thomas Kwa

Anyway, I'm in favor of questions going to +15, but I don't know if that would throw the rep balance off.

phase

Is free space in a ROM/binary file 00 or FF?

Thomas Kwa

That's why I brought it up.

Alex A.

What rep balance do you mean?

Thomas Kwa

00:32

rep gained/effort spent

FlagAsSpam

Answers are hard too.

Thomas Kwa

which, as I understand, is already greater here than on other SE sites.

cat

@phase 00

phase

@dog thanks

Alex A.

I think this is a good balance. It makes sense that good questions should be rewarded. I currently upvote almost 60% of challenges, and if upvotes give +15, I'll be able to be more selective with my votes, which would benefit the site. — Thomas Kwa 4 mins ago

Thomas Kwa

00:33

Doesn't giving rep generously give us unfair attention that's drawn away from other SE sites?

Alex A.

Uh, why would selectively voting be better for the site?

You shouldn't be voting on things just for the sake of voting on them

isaacg

I just got the onion night hat - anyone know how one gets this?

Doorknob 冰

@ThomasKwa My philosophy is more like "take all the attention that we can get—we need it"

@isaacg nope, nobody's figured that one out yet

Thomas Kwa

Because I can just upvote the really good challenges, instead of "eh, this is sorta helpful; I think the author deserves +5"

FlagAsSpam

A lot of things here are upvoted a bunch because the work that we do is clever, not because we want to be noticed.

@isaacg Has something to do with hot network posts.

Doorknob 冰

00:34

@FlagAsSpam no

cat

@phase what kind of ROM/bin?

Doorknob 冰

@FlagAsSpam we ruled that out already

FlagAsSpam

@Doorknob冰 Confirmed no or maybe no?

phase

@cat GBA ROM

Doorknob 冰

@FlagAsSpam I think there was one non-HNQ that got it

isaacg

00:35

well, I'm on hot network posts currently

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Any way to map new Date to [0,1)?

Doorknob 冰

The hypothesis is "lots of votes after n views," which is supposedly connected to HNQ because that's late votes

Alex A.

@ThomasKwa Upvote if you think something is deserving of an upvote, otherwise don't upvote. That should be the mindset regardless of how much reputation is awarded or taken away.

3

Doorknob 冰

^

phase

^^

FlagAsSpam

00:36

@Doorknob冰 He should've gotten it earlier, then, because he had ~10 up votes on a question with 7 views yesterday.

phase

I think getting more rep for questions doesn't really help anyone. You don't get answers quicker, and people may not want to upvote if it gives a somewhat average question a lot of rep.

Doorknob 冰

@FlagAsSpam wat

cat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ wat

quartata

@phase One second I'm pretty sure I remember this

I haven't done GBA ROM hacking in years

Thomas Kwa

@phase Hmm, that's a good point

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:37

@cat JavaScript's new Date returns a number.

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cat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ nevermind, I don't know what map does in JS

Doorknob 冰

@FlagAsSpam wut

phase

@FlagAsSpam same

Alex A.

@phase I see your point. Would you consider this an argument against Rainbolt's proposed +15 or an argument against my originally proposed +10?

quartata

00:38

I believe it is 00.

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phase

@quartata fenks

quartata

You shouldn't have to manually scan for it

Doorknob 冰

@FlagAsSpam wot

Alex A.

@FlagAsSpam wet

quartata

00:38

I think you can just figure it out from the LoROM header

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Doorknob 冰

@FlagAsSpam runs out of vowels that fit

Alex A.

wyt

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phase

@AlexA. I don't think it should be raised at all. When I first found out about the difference between question rep and answer rep, I immediately found it a good idea. I think it depends on the site you're on, as SO questions usually don't require much work, while PPCG is the exact opposite.

El'endia Starman

00:39

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What should 1 (or 0.999...) correspond to?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@cat I'm not talking about map in JS.

@El'endiaStarman ?

oh wait nevermind I know now

El'endia Starman

If you have an upper bound on the date, then divide new Date() by that upper bound and voila!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I don't have an upperbound ^_^

FlagAsSpam

Okay, last one.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'll just chop off the last four digits.

Alex A.

00:40

@phase You say that PPCG is the opposite of SO in that questions require work, but then why is that a reason not to award more reputation for that work?

FlagAsSpam

I have successfully found a meme for every variation of the word "wat".

phase

@AlexA. I was saying that as a counterargument to myself. 10 may be good to even it out across sites, it we can't make them per-site, but 15 is waaaaaay too high.

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ...now I'm wondering what it is that you're doing where that would work.

phase

woah drag your hat into the chat box and all teh stuff pops up

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Testing randomness. Seeing what I can "get away with" ^_^

Like @Doorknob冰

El'endia Starman

00:43

oh, lol

Alex A.

@phase I admit I'm not entirely on board with +15 but I haven't completely made up my mind yet. My proposal wasn't to increase reputation awarded for questions network-wide, it was for PPCG only. A developer confirmed that it can indeed be set on a per-site basis.

Doorknob 冰

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what?

El'endia Starman

@phase Cool, SVG.

phase

@El'endiaStarman much enthuse

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob冰 You tried a pseudo-random function ^_^

Alex A.

00:44

translate ko: ice

(from English) 얼음

@Doorknob얼음

El'endia Starman

I'm actually liking SVG a lot. It's somewhat surprisingly powerful.

Doorknob 冰

@AlexA. no idea whether this is accurate or not; don't know that much Korean :P

@El'endiaStarman :D

El'endia Starman

Especially when using D3 (if you know how to use it).

Doorknob 冰

I edited my doorknob SVG in vim

because Inkscape broke

Alex A.

@Doorknob冰 what

Doorknob 冰

00:44

it was surprisingly easy

phase

@AlexA. I think a lot of the questions on PPCG aren't glorious puzzles that took 30 hours of work to research and create, a lot are like catalogs. Catalogs are a perfect argument against a rep raise, as they take a trivial problem (or just common knowledge) and make it into a "question" that will gets tons of votes. Other questions are great either. Look at everything not made by @Calvin'sHobbies. These questions don't deserve +15 or even +10 rep.

Doorknob 冰

@phase so don't upvote catalogs

Alex A.

11 mins ago, by Alex A.

@ThomasKwa Upvote if you think something is deserving of an upvote, otherwise don't upvote. That should be the mindset regardless of how much reputation is awarded or taken away.

phase

@Doorknob冰 I don't, but the "community" does.

Doorknob 冰

Then come up with a convincing argument to make them CW

El'endia Starman

00:47

Catalogs seem to be going out of favor, incidentally. They're really only suitable for the most basic or fundamental of programming tasks.

Doorknob 冰

that too

Alex A.

^^

The idea of catalogs is nice but in practice I don't think it turned out as hoped.

FlagAsSpam

Make a meta page for catalogs.

Timwi

hic

El'endia Starman

@FlagAsSpam There already is one.

Doorknob 冰

00:48

@FlagAsSpam can't tell if joking >.<

Alex A.

@Timwi ?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"I know which one I'm using!"

FlagAsSpam

@El'endiaStarman :D

El'endia Starman

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A: Does PPCG fulfil a role as a catalogue for golfed solution of standard programming exercises?

Future Catalogue Challenges This post collects ideas for future catalogue challenges. Some of these tasks already have challenges, some of which may be editable into a catalogue while others may not. Existing challenges that could be catalogues In these cases, the OP's should be asked whether ...

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@Doorknob冰 ಠ_ಠ

phase

00:50

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What does new Date return? I'd suspect just an object with the current date.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@phase Well, the actual code is this: parseInt((new Date).valueOf().toString().slice(-1))/9

Doorknob 冰

21 seconds

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The fundamental problem with your method (and Doorknob's) is that values rise monotonically(ish), wrapping around as needed. So you get these streaks.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Yup! The last one isn't very good X3 on purpose

Alex A.

@Doorknob冰 Since or until what?

Doorknob 冰

00:51

you'll see

phase

oh no

not that

Alex A.

I can't stand 20 seconds of suspense

phase

@AlexA. *19

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's been 21 seconds.

Alex A.

Oh. I'll see.

I will. I have. I do.

phase

00:53

I am. I be. I code.

oh woah abc

Alex A.

s/code/program/g

phase

s/Alex/pizza party/g

Alex A.

I'm okay with this

Cyoce

why are you dividing the poor s by alex?

Alex A.

I would like this party

cat

00:54

0

A: No strings (or numbers) attached

Mouse-2002, 27 bytes B! prints 1, because B's address is 1. ZR+! prints 42, because 25 17 + 42 = is 1. Newline separated (but if put in different (or one) file/s, no newline is needed, and if not for visuals it would look like A!B!C!D!E!F!G!H!I!J!K!ZR+!): A! B! C! D! E! F! G! H! I! J! K! ZR+!

phase

@AlexA. We removed you, then started the party

cat

What do I win?

Alex A.

@phase ._.

Doorknob 冰

What have you tried so far and what problems are you having? (If this is merely a challenge, then stack-overflow is the wrong place. Checkout codegolf.stackexchange.com) If this is not a challenge for the community, is this per-chance a homework assignment? (I apologize for my bluntness, but as I am understanding your problem, neither of these categories are suitable for stack overflow.) — Chris Britt 2 days ago

blegh

I wonder how many homework-questions are created due to things like this

cat

wHAT
0.o

feersum

00:56

We are the trash heap of the world.

mınxomaτ

'It's not actually ... it's a DEVICE for EXPLORING a PLAUSIBLE REALITY that's not the one we're in, to gain a broader understanding about it.' 'oh, like a boat!' '...' 'Just for the sake of argument, we should get a boat! You can invite the Devil, too, if you want.'

SuperJedi224

@Cyoce I think that's a substitution operation

Cyoce

?

Alex A.

@Doorknob冰 The fact that he hyphenated Stack Overflow bothers me almost as much as the fact that he directed the person to PPCG.

SuperJedi224

@Cyoce I think that snippet you were talking about means "replace all instances of 'Alex' with 'pizza party'"

Alex A.

00:58

^

SuperJedi224

3 people just all left the room simultaneously. Is that supposed to happen?

cat

@SuperJedi224 bandwidth costs me money, that's why I disappear sometimes

mınxomaτ

@cat What?!

Where do you live?

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