The Nineteenth Byte

VoteToClose

2:02 PM

Oh - I thought you were saying that we should count bytes differently for different MC creations.

Anonymous

No, I mean we should consider them different languages, like Minecraft and Redstone

VoteToClose

Oh. Well then, yeah. But the same byte counting. :P

Anonymous

Yes ofc :P

VoteToClose

this-conversation-was-confusing

Anonymous

coffee-needed

Anonymous

2:05 PM

brb getting coffee and breakfast

Martin Büttner

@aditsu sourceforge.net/p/cjam/tickets/66/#13bc pretty please? :)

Fatalize

Hi

Dennis

@VoteToClose For now, all output is printed at once, if that's what you mean.

Fatalize

After seing @Emigna answering a few questions in Prolog, I'm thinking of maybe starting a "Tips for golfing in Prolog" question. Do you think there's enough interest for it in the community?

VoteToClose

@Dennis So... that nullifies w then. :c Any chance it can be output whenever there is new output?

Dennis

2:10 PM

That's on my to-do list.

VoteToClose

\o/

trichoplax

2:37 PM

@TanMath hey :)

@Fatalize I don't think there's any point in having a tips question for a language unless there is at least one person interested in it. If you're interested, that seems like enough of a reason to post...

Geobits

@Mego No matter how unclear you think the question is, I don't see how you can honestly argue that hardcoding output 1 is in any way correct.

Anonymous

@trichoplax I would use a Prolog thread, after the requisite "Tips for remembering how to use Prolog because it's been years since I last used it" thread

Anonymous

@Geobits I gave an explanation in my answer why it is legal, within the rules of the challenge. What do you dispute about it?

Geobits

I dispute that 1 is a proper output for any of the given test cases. If you want to use unary as the input encoding, that's fine. But you have to work on the represented string, not the string you've encoded it to.

Anonymous

@Geobits Nowhere in the question does it state that.

Geobits

2:47 PM

I don't know what else to say if you honestly think the answer is correct. I explained my -1, like so many people think they want.

Doorknob

Which answer is this about?

Fatalize

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A: Find the center

Seriously, 5 characters ε1,lI Since the encoding of the input and output wasn't specified, I went with unary, using 1 as the digit. If the input string has an odd number of characters, the median character is a 1, so that is printed. If the input string has an even number of characters, the m...

this one I think

Anonymous

@Geobits And I'm explaining why it is unwarranted. A -1 and a close vote on the question are warranted, because it's incredibly unclear. There is too much left to assumption, which allows cheaty answers like mine. However, for some reason, only two other people seem to agree with me.

Fatalize

And I agree with Geobits that it's pretty dubious

Doorknob

@Mego Uhm, I'm not sure how "challenge is unclear" leads to "I should post an answer." "Challenge is unclear" should lead to "VTC as unclear."

If your answer is meant as a signal to the OP that the question is underspecified, well then, it's really more of a close vote, isn't it?

Geobits

2:50 PM

@Mego No, you made a protest answer to an "unclear" challenge. That doesn't make a -1 unwarranted at all.

Fatalize

but... you gotta get the green points...

Anonymous

@Geobits Is it wrong to take advantage of a loophole you see that will make your code much shorter?

Martin Büttner

yes.

Doorknob

Yes.

Geobits

A VTC means "this question should not receive answers in its current form". If you think it deserves that, you shouldn't answer it.

Doorknob

2:51 PM

You said it yourself: the question is "incredibly unclear." So vote to close it! Don't answer it....

I just got ninja'd twice in a row :(

5

Geobits

Not only that, but I disagree with the "loophole" you found anyway, to be honest.

Anonymous

@Geobits According to that logic, 14 people (including a mod) think that it is not unclear, versus 3 people who think it is unclear. The consensus is evident.

Fatalize

@Doorknob confirmed to be slowpoke

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

This could've been a great challenge:

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/64657/…

Doorknob

@Mego Who cares about what other people think? You said that you think it's unclear. So you shouldn't answer; vote to close instead. It's as simple as that.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ nah not really

code-bowling, in general, is a bad idea

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

2:54 PM

@Doorknob *I think that

Geobits

@Mego Personally, I don't think the question is all that unclear. Like I said, your loophole doesn't even work, IMO.

Even if the unary part did, harcoding output is a standard loophole.

Anonymous

@Geobits What should be printed for éå?

Geobits

Not 1, I'd assume.

Anonymous

I deleted my answer

Martin Büttner

does anyone else find the new shade of orange of ajax-loaded comments really unpleasant to look at?

Doorknob

2:55 PM

yep

Anonymous

@Geobits I am no longer discussing my (now-deleted) answer - what is the correct output for éå?

Doorknob

@MartinBüttner When you post a new comment, the same orange flashy effect appears too

Martin Büttner

yeah, I know :(

Doorknob

that used to be only for permalinked comments (#comment-foo)

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Q: Is a function allowed?

Is it allowed to use a function instead of a complete program, in a code-golf question? (This has probably been asked before, I'm unable to locate the link.) Asked wrt @agtoever 's query on Output the qwerty keyboard

discussion

TimmyD

2:57 PM

@Doorknob #comment-fu

Doorknob

@NewMetaPosts This proves that Martin is the ninja-est of the ninjas. :P

Geobits

@Mego Whatever character is at the codepoint of those two averaged, or at least that's my reading of it. I haven't looked into edge cases, but that's why I haven't voted on the question one way or the other. I saw a dubious answer and commented on it.

Doorknob

@Mego This is a question you should be asking the OP, not us.

Fatalize

in what kind of language would you ever get é and å together anyway :p

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Q: Longest valid palindrome command in any language

Write a valid command (no errors) that is the longest palindrome. E.g. if you can execute "echo ohce" in a language without error, that would be valid.

palindrome code-bowling

Anonymous

2:59 PM

@Geobits The codepoints for those two depend on encoding. In CP437, they're 130 and 134. In Latin-1, they're 233 and 229.

Anonymous

What text encoding should be used for input/output? Just ASCII (0-127)? Latin-1? CP437? UTF-8? These things needs to be specified. — Mego 14 hours ago

Martin Büttner

@Mego when talking about "code points", people usually mean Unicode, which is independent of a particular encoding (and happens to coincide with Latin-1 up to 255)

Anonymous

The OP has not responded to any comments or made any improvements. In its current form, the question is unclear, and thus worthy of being closed.

Geobits

Right. I don't have any problem with people voting to close it (though I'll be abstaining). VTC combined with (dubious) answer is what I had an issue with.

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner "usually" doesn't work here. We don't have a default for text encoding, and the question does not supply one.

Doorknob

3:02 PM

@Mego So does every single question have to specify an input and output encoding?

@Geobits And yes, a closevote and answer should be mutually exclusive.

Anonymous

@Doorknob Yes, for anything involving text manipulation. Either that, or we decide on a default, via a meta discussion.

Fatalize

I don't see how you could not consider UTF8 the default encoding in every question except if specified otherwise

Martin Büttner

@Mego my point was that the answer is independent of the encoding.

Doorknob

(By the way, "unary" is not an encoding.)

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner Not necessarily. In Python, you can use single-byte encodings with chr. For Unicode encodings (UTF-8, UTF-16, and UTF-32), getting a character from a code point is much more involved.

Doorknob

3:06 PM

@Mego Do you have a link to the spec that describes your encoding?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I wish I could see what I got pundit on feature-request

Doorknob

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You can! There's a data.SE query.

Anonymous

Meh.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob :O TEACH ME YOUR WAYS

Anonymous

I don't want to participate in the discussion about my deleted answer anymore. It's deleted. It doesn't exist, for all intents and purposes.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3:07 PM

^

Martin Büttner

@Mego sure, but the answer should be the same. the transformation is applied to characters and their code points. how those are represented on your input and output streams is a different matter (where I think the only rule should be that it's consistent).

Anonymous

I agree now that I should not have posted it, and so I deleted it. It's a moot point now.

Martin Büttner

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/346335/my-top-comments

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner The point is, the code will be very different if a multi-byte encoding has to be supported, as opposed to a single-byte encoding which can easily be worked with through the use of chr and ord.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MartinBüttner Thanks :3

Geobits

3:10 PM

I agree with that in a general sense, but I usually take my cue from the test cases for things like that (right or wrong). If no test case goes outside ASCII, I'll use that.

Clarification never hurts, though.

Martin Büttner

Oh, the built-in standard loophole has finally hit 0. :D (at +51/-51)

Doorknob

I think what Geobits is saying makes sense. Use whatever encoding you want, as long as you pass all the test cases.

Any existing encoding, of course.

Anonymous

i=raw_input()

#single byte encoding
print i[len(i)/2] if len(i)%2 else chr(sum(map(ord,i[len(i)/2:][:2]))/2)

#multi-byte encoding (utf-8)
i=unicode(i)
print i[len(i)/2] if len(i)%2 else unichr(sum(map(ord,i[len(i)/2:][:2]))/2)

Anonymous

My point is, if there is ambiguity in the challenge that the resolution of will impact your code, it either needs to be addressed by the OP, or the challenge should be VTC'd as unclear.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Peace out ^_^

Geobits

3:18 PM

@Mego Different people have different limits on their VTC-threshold, just like up/down voting. Ideally it would all be perfectly objective, but it rarely is.

Martin Büttner

I closed it and left another comment about what I think needs specifying (and what doesn't).

Geobits

Out of curiosity, is there a single ruling that wouldn't invalidate any current answers (I haven't looked at them all)? If so, that could just be edited in IMO. It doesn't always have to be up to the OP. If there isn't, then it's probably too late to make this turn out good no matter what the OP does.

aditsu

@MartinBüttner yes, I'll make it a priority, I just haven't found much time for coding recently...

Martin Büttner

@aditsu are you accepting pull requests? ;)

aditsu

if they're not huge or weird changes, sure

Anonymous

3:24 PM

@Geobits As far as I can tell, all of the current answers should work with restricting the characters to ASCII-only.

Geobits

Hmm. If that's the case, I think restricting it to that is probably the better option, rather than allowing the OP to now declare it needs to work for extended characters and breaking things.

Anonymous

The fact that the ASCII characters have the same ordinals in every encoding is pretty handy

JimmyJazzx

Yes there are a few answers (mine included) that just assumed ASCII as it was left open and that was the shortest way to do it.

Opening it up would invalidate a few answers. And I'm fine with deleting or reworking but I could see others not being as Happy.

Anonymous

I'm going to edit and put a reopen vote on it. It didn't feel right to edit it while it was open.

Martin Büttner

@aditsu like implementing n as oNo for example? ;)

So... after this discussion about encodings and blah, I noticed that string didn't have a tag wiki... I started writing one, but if someone can think of common pitfalls specific to string-based challenges, please add them: codegolf.stackexchange.com/tags/string/info

Geobits

3:29 PM

Another somewhat common question is "what do I do with an empty string?", but I'm not sure it's worth including there.

JimmyJazzx

When Does String Manipulation become ASCII art Manipulation? How Bad do my art skills need to be to just be considered a string?

Martin Büttner

@Geobits it is

TimmyD

@MartinBüttner How long is a piece of it?

aditsu

@MartinBüttner hmm, ok, that's quite trivial though :p

Geobits

@TimmyD It's half as long as a double piece, isn't it?

Martin Büttner

3:31 PM

@aditsu apparently nontrivial enough for the ticket to be pending for half a year :P

TimmyD

@Geobits Now that's a clever answer.

aditsu

it's not like I implemented lots of other things :p

Martin Büttner

do you see the problem? ;)

aditsu

anyway, I've been documenting operators on the wiki for a while, almost 1/day, maybe I can try to commit some small things too at a similar rate

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner I changed "Extended ASCII" to "Latin-1" in the tag wiki, since "Extended ASCII" refers to a number of different encodings, and Latin-1 is an encoding most people are at least somewhat familiar with.

Optimizer

3:34 PM

is that 1/day limit due to the fact that sourceforge.net is almost down all the time ?

aditsu

I have a few local patches that have been sitting for some time

Geobits

sourceforge still has regular uptimes?

aditsu

@Optimizer I haven't seen it down at all in the last several months at least, I'm just busy

Martin Büttner

@Mego Fair enough, although my point was actually not to make it about a specific encoding, but about a range of character codes. I don't think it's that important there though.

Anonymous

@Geobits sourceforge is still around?

Geobits

3:36 PM

I think they merged with geocities a while back.

aditsu

har har

Optimizer

shots fired

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner I viewed it as listing examples, and since putting "Extended ASCII" as the encoding in a challenge would be met with a flurry of comments and closevotes, it seemed to me that listing a specific widely-used single-byte extended ASCII encoding was a better choice.

Anonymous

@Optimizer stop stop it's already dead

Geobits

Huh. Apparently the Japanese geocities servers are still up.

Anonymous

3:38 PM

Now that the challenge is fixed and back open, I can help @phase with his issues :P

Martin Büttner

@Mego I think there is still a misunderstanding here. The second bullet point advertises not specifying an encoding at all, and the first bullet point is about specifying a range of characters. If that's still not clear, I should probably reword that part altogether.

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner Ahh, I see now. I'll suggest a different edit, then :P

aditsu

anyways, I used to have a geocities page, it was on the hills in Silicon Valley :)

Geobits

> As of 2008, Angelfire continues to operate separately from Tripod.com and now includes features such as blog building and a photo gallery builder. It also supports, for paid members only, CGI scripts written in Perl.

I used to have a geocities page, too. I mean, it starts with "geo"; what's not to love?

TheDoctor

hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idproduct=42504

Martin Büttner

3:41 PM

@Mego rejected your proposal (because I don't think you can propose a new one before the old one is processed)

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner oops

Anonymous

I'm new to this tag wiki stuff

JimmyJazzx

Not to be Nit Picky about it. But Op did Specify that winner would be in Characters not Bytes yet the leader board is still in Bytes? Though I agree Bytes is better do we want to be consistent or leave that for OP to decide?

Martin Büttner

@JimmyJazzx the leaderboard simply reads a number from the header.

Geobits

Wow, the homework people are assigning these days needs to be better specified.

JimmyJazzx

3:46 PM

@MartinBüttner Ok i wasn't sure as all the examples say Bytes and the BF answer that is 3 characters or 61 bytes is listed as 61 but I think I see why now. As the Bytes were listed second

Martin Büttner

fixed the examples

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Q: code golf challange

i need a program that Write a program that reads in scores from a file, sorts them and displays them • Add to this program so that there is a corresponding list of names which is also sorted to go with strong text the score. • Add to this program so that it is possible for a user t...

code-golf tips sorting c++

Martin Büttner

@Geobits really beautiful type setting with those <hr>s and the quote block though.

Geobits

-1 not enough LaTeX

JimmyJazzx

@Geobits Im pretty sure I have see that exact Question in a VB.Net Text Book

Geobits

3:49 PM

I don't doubt it. I remember some pretty bad stuff back when books were a relatively useful way to learn this stuff ;)

PhiNotPi

Now that we've had the "code golf challange" I guess this whole site can close up shop.

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Geobits

We still need a "code golf programming puzzle" before we close up for good.

Anonymous

@Geobits fastest-code-golf-programming-puzzle

Geobits

fastest-code-golf-programming-puzzle-of-the-hill-contest :D

Martin Büttner

fastest-code-golf is what Dennis does.

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@Geobits *challange

Geobits

3:55 PM

Damn, I knew I forgot something.

Martin Büttner

we haven't had a decent KotH in forever

Geobits

I've been lazy.

Martin Büttner

acceptance is the first step to recovery

Geobits

Alternatively, you can blame Nathan Merril :P

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner I have one sandboxed now that should be fun, but I have been too lazy/busy to write the controller code

Optimizer

3:57 PM

we need an on hold "programming puzzles" challenge too for site to be closed

Geobits

^^ this sounds so familiar...

Martin Büttner

I have 3 sandboxed I think, but I didn't want to tackle them before finishing my "single player KotH" tetris which has been rotting in the sandbox with a 95% done controller for a year or so...

Geobits

Push that thing (further) to the side :P

Sandbox is not a FIFO system by any stretch.

Martin Büttner

alternatively, I could just get my shit together and finish up that controller.

Geobits

Yea, but then what excuse would you have for the others? :P

Martin Büttner

3:59 PM

good point...

aditsu

jeez, I found an archived copy of my personal page from 1999 o_o;

Geobits

Link!

Anonymous

Programmer personal pages are like normal peoples' baby pictures

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aditsu

LOL :) I'm kinda hesitating...

Anonymous

Same with old code and elementary school assignments

Anonymous

4:02 PM

With the caveat that the elementary school assignments were usually better quality

aditsu

oh well... here's the English version: web.archive.org/web/20010504035700/http://phobos.cs.unibuc.ro/…

Anonymous

I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad that the hard drive I had all my old code on died

Fatalize

"(PICTURE) <= This is a picture of me. "

Martin Büttner

"(PICTURE) <= This is a picture of me." ... Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

Fatalize

You look peculiar

Martin Büttner

4:03 PM

damn

Anonymous

> using professional editors like pico, turbo and notepad

Anonymous

I don't see vim in there ಠ_ಠ

Doorknob

translate: Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

(from French) This is not a pipe.

um ok

aditsu

I still don't use vim

Fatalize

protip : don't use the word pipe unless you really know what you're talking about

TimmyD

4:04 PM

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Martin Büttner

The Treachery of Images

The Treachery of Images (French: La trahison des images [la tʁaizɔ̃ dez imaʒ], 1928–29, sometimes translated as The Treason of Images) is a painting by the Belgian surrealist painter René Magritte. == Description == The picture shows a pipe. Below it, Magritte painted, "Ceci n'est pas une pipe.", French for "This is not a pipe." "The famous pipe. How people reproached me for it! And yet, could you stuff my pipe? No, it's just a representation, is it not? So if I had written on my picture 'This is a pipe', I'd have been lying!" == Context == Magritte painted The Treachery of Images when he was...

Anonymous

Martin Büttner

bloody hell...

Anonymous

ninjo'd again

aditsu

(fortunately?) the wayback machine didn't save the images that I actually used

Fatalize

4:05 PM

the mods are all getting ninja'd

Doorknob

> The picture shows a pipe. Below it, Magritte painted, "Ceci n'est pas une pipe.", French for "This is not a pipe."

O_o

Geobits

Because it's not a pipe.

Fatalize

He was thinking of another kind of "pipe", me thinks

Martin Büttner

relevant

aditsu

@Mego btw, if it wasn't clear, "turbo" refers to turbo pascal

and pico is the precursor of nano :)

Fatalize

4:08 PM

pascal... that's one language I haven't used in a long time

Damn, when we follow the link to know more, there is this written on the page

"The page is best viewed in Internet Explorer 5 or newer; at this moment it is the best browser (although it is made by Micro$oft)."

"the best browser" damn

aditsu

those were the days

IE5 kicked netscape 4's ass

Anonymous

Also relevant: GEB p. 701

Anonymous

(The Two Mysteries by Magritte)

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Typographic Chemistry Inspired by this: https://xkcd.com/1442/ Task You must make a program or function that take input a string from STDIN and output the possible allowed reactions (1 point per unique reaction, see also "Score" below) Rules A chemical reaction is allowed if all the "legs" o...

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Q: 3D tic-tac-toe winner

Two players are playing tic-tac-toe in an 3-dimensional grid. Each side of the grid contains four cells, making a total of 64 cells. A player wins if he gets three pieces in a row, vertically, horizontally or diagonally (diagonally could be across any space diagonal). Input will consist of the ...

code-golf game tic-tac-toe

Dennis

4:22 PM

Try it online! now has a GS2 interpreter:

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A: Output the qwerty keyboard

GS2, 38 37 bytes ♦wertyuiop asdfghjkl zxcvbnm♣B3$,■♪2◙ The source code uses the CP437 encoding. Try it online! Test run $ base64 -d > qwerty.gs2 <<< BHdlcnR5dWlvcCBhc2RmZ2hqa2wgenhjdmJubQVCMyQs/g0yCg== $ wc -c qwerty.gs2 37 qwerty.gs2 $ echo -n f | gs2 qwerty.gs2 g h j k l z x c v b n m

Doorknob

@Dennis You should make the homepage actually a homepage now. :P

Dennis

I probably should.

Anonymous

@Dennis Just how many languages are you planning on adding to TIO?

Dennis

As many as possible.

Anonymous

Neat

Anonymous

4:25 PM

In the interest of your site's health, you should keep Seriously very far away from it

aditsu

Dennis

@Mego Hahahaha.

Doorknob

Do you plan to add any non-esolangs, or are you just going to leave that for ideone etc.?

Anonymous

At least until I finish the bytes overhaul

Dennis

@Doorknob I'm not sure yet. But until I got sandboxing figured out, they're off the table anyway.

Doorknob

4:27 PM

Ah, right.

Anonymous

virtualenv

Dennis

That doesn't look like a sandbox.

Anonymous

TimmyD

Anonymous

ninjo'd

Anonymous

4:31 PM

@TimmyD (also my nephew has that same sandbox)

TimmyD

@Mego Nuh-uh, mine's a turtle. Totally different.

aditsu

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Anonymous

@Dennis I'm a fan of Sandboxie, though I don't know how well it would work in a webserver environment

Anonymous

Also I think it's Windows-only

Optimizer

@TimmyD sandbox for trichoplax? where he tries out all his irl activities before really doing them

Anonymous

4:41 PM

@Dennis For Linux, FireJail looks promising

mınxomaτ

@aditsu That's one of the most generic cats I've ever seen.

aditsu

final Cat<?> cat = …

Dennis

@Mego Oh, that looks promising. :)

Anonymous

@aditsu Only final if you take it to the vet to get it spayed/neutered

Anonymous

I dream of the day when OS-independence is simple and universal

Anonymous

4:45 PM

When there is a single, consistent API that abstracts kernel calls, byte ordering, and all that other annoying low-level stuff, so that every program that uses that API can be platform-independent

TimmyD

@Mego So, Java ... ?

Anonymous

@TimmyD API, not programming language

aditsu

carrot carrot

TimmyD

OpenGL for CPUs

Anonymous

Basically yeah

quartata

4:46 PM

@TimmyD OpenCL?

I guess it isn't exactly that

TimmyD

Isn't that OpenCL?

ffs

quartata

rekt

gg

Anonymous

A library, not a process, that sits on top of the OS/kernel and abstracts those details away. Java runs a VM on top, which is not the same. Plus, it's still possible to write platform-dependent code in Java

quartata

In all seriousness, OpenCL is kinda like what you are describing except it is a pain in the ass to code with

fuckin kernels

A good version of that would be cool.

Anonymous

But OpenCL is a hardware abstraction, not an OS abstraction

Anonymous

4:49 PM

Even better: platform/OS-independent executables

aditsu

4 mins ago, by TimmyD

@Mego So, Java ... ?

Anonymous

> Plus, it's still possible to write platform-dependent code in Java

aditsu

do you want it to be impossible?

quartata

@Mego So you want something more like libc for all platforms

Anonymous

@quartata Kinda

quartata

4:50 PM

lol dream on kid microsoft will never co-operate on something like that gg

hahaha

Anonymous

@aditsu Man don't crush my dreams with your notions of impossibility

quartata

Anonymous

imagine there's no OSes, it isn't hard to do

quartata

flawr

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34907983

Anonymous

4:52 PM

nothing OS-specific to look out for, and no endianness too

aditsu

@quartata re- microsoft-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/…

Anonymous

you might say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one

aditsu

@Mego you were the one complaining that it's possible

quartata

@aditsu I didn't notice the pun until just then

Anonymous

someday you'll join us, and the code will live as one

quartata

4:54 PM

@Mego The only way for that to happen is if Microsoft dies, and by then we'd already have something like that

It's called libc

flawr

I acctually won a codegolf contest with Matlab!

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A: Seamless conversion from square to hexagon

Matlab, 223 215 209 184 163 bytes The rescaling is quite straight forward. For cropping the corners I overlay a coordinate system over the pixels, and make a mask via four linear inequalities, which determine the area of the hexagon. l=imread(input('')); u=size(l,1); L=imresize(l,u*[2 3]/4); L...

quartata

I mean, libc is used on everything BUT Windows at this point

Anonymous

Also POSIX

quartata

@Mego Yeah, exactly

No more backslashes

People have already attempted what you describe

The result was POSIX

aditsu

@Mego I also dream of the day when everybody is using Linux :)

quartata

4:55 PM

POSIX

POSIX (/ˈpɒzɪks/ POZ-iks), an acronym for Portable Operating System Interface, is a family of standards specified by the IEEE Computer Society for maintaining compatibility between operating systems. POSIX defines the application programming interface (API), along with command line shells and utility interfaces, for software compatibility with variants of Unix and other operating systems. == NameEdit == Originally, the name "POSIX" referred to IEEE Std 1003.1-1988, released in 1988. The family of POSIX standards is formally designated as IEEE 1003 and the international standard name is ISO/IEC...

Take a closer look at that acronym

> Portable Operating System Interface

Anonymous

@aditsu :P

Anonymous

This is why I love Cygwin. POSIX-compatibility on Windows.

quartata

Don't even talk to me about Cygwin

> Windows drive letters map to a special directory, so for example C: appears as /cygdrive/c. The /cygdrive prefix can be changed. Windows network paths of the form \\HOST\SHARE\FILE are mapped to //HOST/SHARE/FILE. Windows paths can also be used directly from Cygwin programs, but many programs do not support them correctly, hence this is discouraged.

aditsu

@Mego I guess that makes two of us (I wouldn't really say "love", but I appreciate it)

quartata

Ew

TimmyD

4:58 PM

@quartata The first rule of Cygwin Club is ... you do NOT talk about Cygwin Club.

Anonymous

@quartata What's the issue there?

aditsu

it's quite an unpopular position...

Anonymous

I love the existence of cygwin for when I don't have an option about working on a Windows machine

aditsu

I remember windoze claimed to support posix since NT and 2000, they did it by implementing a couple of features somewhere in a forsaken corner of the OS, that nobody used

quartata

@Mego Why can't it just map them to /media

It exists for a reason

Anonymous

5:01 PM

> The /cygdrive prefix can be changed

quartata

@Mego Still doesn't mean that /cygdrive should be a default

It's good that it can be changed, but still.

Anonymous

It's easily changeable, so it doesn't really matter

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Q: Josephus problem with three inputs

There's a question on this site that is similar to this question, but I have added a twist. You have three inputs, the number of people in the circle n, the k-th person counted out at each step, and the q-th person that survives. For example, in a circle of 20 people, the 20th person to survive...

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Anonymous

sed -i s:/cygdrive:/media:g /etc/fstab

Anonymous

If a "problem" can be solved with a simple sed script, then it's not a problem, it's an inconvenience

TimmyD

5:12 PM

@Mego List of inconveniences: codegolf.stackexchange.com/search?q=sed+is%3Aanswer

Anonymous

@TimmyD I'd say lots of those aren't exactly "simple" scripts

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And there's a difference between a "problem" and a PPCG challenge :P

TimmyD

Every problem is an opportunity in disguise.

Kinda like a Transformer.

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:P

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