The Nineteenth Byte

Anonymous

4:07 AM

I still wanna know a closed-form solution for the clock hands :P

2 hours ago, by Thomas Kwa

The answer I'm most proud of is from the future

I mean by this my eventual answer to the broken calculator question in TI-BASIC

For those who don't know, TI-BASIC is one of the worst languages to do string manipulation in, partly because doing anything with empty strings is an error.

TanMath

Hello @Mego quick question.. How do you do I[1] for lists, just like in python?

@ThomasKwa which question is this?

Anonymous

@TanMath 1[1,2,3]E

Anonymous

E is for erf and element

TanMath

Somebody help me fix the code!

Anonymous

4:11 AM

No

TanMath

@Mego OK..

phase

@Mego what is erf?

TanMath

@Mego why not? It is your freaking code... You would know best

@phase error function I think

phase

O doesn't have getting an object of an array from an index (yet), so I had to iterate over the array in reverse until I got to the middle, which wasted a lot of bytes.

El'endia Starman

@Mego Closed form? HA! Yeah right.

Anonymous

4:15 AM

@phase mathworld.wolfram.com/Erf.html

El'endia Starman

But I think you can apply a DFS or a BFS to the problem in some way, by setting path weights to the (log of the) LCM of groups.

Anonymous

@TanMath No. I helped you already. Saying "help it doesn't work" is not helpful at all. You're just begging for working code.

phase

@TanMath I can help :3

TanMath

@Mego well, OK then... You didn't help BTW

Anonymous

Sometimes you just have to put on your big boy undies and debug it yourself

TanMath

4:17 AM

@phase you can?

phase

@TanMath yeah, what are you trying to do and what's your current code?

TanMath

@phase I am trying to solve the find the center challenge

i=raw_input();print[chr(((ord(i[len(i)/2])+ord(i[(len(i)/2)+1]))/2)),i[-1+(len(i)+1)/2]][len(‌i)%2]

Alex A.

@TanMath As I've said before, people offer their help voluntarily. If they choose not to help, that's their prerogative. While Mego created the language and is thereby likely the most knowledgeable about it, that doesn't make him obligated to help.

Anonymous

@AlexA. While I would love if it were true, I didn't create Python

quartata

> viewed 9934 times

phase

4:21 AM

@TanMath I may be mistaken, but I think raw_input needs ().

Alex A.

Ahahahaha

quartata

This is killing me

TanMath

@AlexA. I am asking if somebody can help, OK?

quartata

66 views away

Doorknob

Mego Van Rossum

Alex A.

4:22 AM

@Mego I thought this was Seriously code XD

Anonymous

10 mins ago, by TanMath

Somebody help me fix the code!

Anonymous

That's not asking. That's begging/demanding.

quartata

66 views away from my beloved gold badge

phase

@Mego Not to be that guy, but is there a way to take the input and split it up into a char array in Seriously?

quartata

And yet I have a feeling it's not going to happen.

Anonymous

4:22 AM

@AlexA. If you run the code in Seriously, you might get something

quartata

It'll be stuck at 9999 views forever

Alex A.

@Mego By "something" do you mean an error? :P

Anonymous

@phase ,r

Anonymous

@AlexA. No such thing

phase

@quartata It will overflow and go back to 0 as soon as it hits 9999

Alex A.

4:23 AM

It is simultaneously OVER NINE THOUSAND and under nine thousand

phase

@AlexA. How dare you speak of such things! Seriously actually doesn't have any errors!

Anonymous

@phase That actually just pushes the characters onto the stack, so you'll want ,rk to make it into a list

Anonymous

@phase Except for the online interpreter. That thing is 105% errors.

TanMath

@phase what do you mean by "that guy"?

Anonymous

(percentage of errors calculated using online interpreter)

phase

4:25 AM

@Mego nothing :)

TanMath

@phase where. ;)

@phase wait.. What challenge are you doing?!

No....

phase

@TanMath I totes suck at Python, so you may need to grovel at Mego's knees for assistance.

TanMath

Do not tell me you are doing the sorting one!

phase

sorting whatsit

TanMath

@phase OK.. I won't use his code then.

Anonymous

4:27 AM

@TanMath I'm beginning to suspect you may not have much experience with Python, considering that your latest issue was not knowing that you needed to actually call raw_input. You may find it beneficial to work through this.

TanMath

@phase link of which challenge are you doing?

phase

8

Q: Find the center

Given a line of text, find the character that is in the middle. If there is no middle character, find the character whose charcode is the floored average of the two center characters. Test cases: 12345 => 3 Hello => l Hiya => q (empty input) => (empty output) Shortest program in characters ...

TanMath

@Mego wait what?

@phase oh OK..I was going to do as well but you go ahead...

phase

@TanMath I already submitted an answer in O, but I wanted to try Seriously for fun

No output ;-;

Anonymous

@phase Try giving it a string as input

Thomas Kwa

4:30 AM

12

Q: Help! My calculator broke! (Turn integer expression into calculator keystrokes)

Introduction Help! I accidentally dropped my TI-84 calculator out my window (don't ask how) and it broke. I have a math test tomorrow and the only calculator I can find is one with these buttons: 7 8 9 + 4 5 6 - 1 2 3 * 0 = / My math test is a review test on evaluating expressions. I need a...

code-golf math parsing

phase

@Mego that be weird, but it be worked

Anonymous

phase

@ThomasKwa And you're writing a TI-Basic answer? Can't wait to see it :D

Anonymous

@phase It not be weird at all. test is an undefined symbol. "test" is a string. Remember, input is through Python 2's input() function, which returns eval'd input.

Thomas Kwa

@phase I've planned most of it out already; it's just that writing the TI-BASIC code is painful.

So I haven't written any actual code yet.

phase

4:32 AM

a layout is still a part of the code

Thomas Kwa

@phase I already have a Seriously answer, but it doesn't work on empty strings yet

phase

@ThomasKwa I don't think it needs to. isaacg's doesn't if I recall.

TanMath

Sometimes I get offended here...

Oh well...

phase

@ThomasKwa oh wait nevermind I lied

@TanMath <3

Thomas Kwa

Wait... @Mego Wasn't there some flag for error suppression suppression?

TanMath

4:35 AM

@phase thanks...

Moving on...

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa -d

Thomas Kwa

@Mego Does the program stop at an error without outputting to STDOUT when -d is passed?

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa Nope, it just prints the error

Thomas Kwa

aww man

Anonymous

The interpreter train has no brakes

TanMath

4:38 AM

@Mego will ,rk work for an input of a list of strings?

Anonymous

@TanMath Nope

Thomas Kwa

Is there a "halt" instruction?

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa 127

TanMath

@Mego OK...

Anonymous

@TanMath You'll have to deal with the lists individually

phase

4:39 AM

@Mego does `\` round down or up?

Alex A.

@TanMath I apologize if I've offended you; that isn't my intention. And I'm sure no one here means to offend you either.

quintopia

How are bytes measured in TI-BASIC? I know that some version represent entire words compactly.

Anonymous

@phase It follows Python's behavior

Anonymous

Which iirc rounds towards -inf

phase

@Mego K doesn't seem to be working for 3 / 2

Anonymous

4:42 AM

Actually it looks like it rounds towards 0

TanMath

@AlexA. no... You did not offend me...

Alex A.

@quintopia Sounds like a good question for @ThomasKwa, our resident TI-BASIC expert.

Anonymous

@phase Interpreter bug

Alex A.

@TanMath Okay, I'm glad.

TanMath

@Mego I didn't understand

Anonymous

4:44 AM

@phase I just patched it, but unfortunately you can't use the patch in the challenge. 23\u will get you the same output for positive numbers

Anonymous

(so long as the result of / wouldn't be an integer)

TanMath

I want to convert an input of "hello"," foo" to a list of ["h","e","L","l","o"] and ["f","o","o"]

Sparr

@TanMath in what language?

phase

@Mego Oh wait, I did't need to ceil after all :P

Anonymous

,r@r@k

TanMath

4:46 AM

@Sparr Seriously

@Mego thanks

Anonymous

@TanMath No need to be a jerk

TanMath

Lemme try it

Anonymous

Hmm

Anonymous

Actually that won't work

TanMath

Oh...

Anonymous

4:48 AM

,;l)r(╟@;l)r(╟@

Anonymous

It only looks a little bit like I facerolled on my keyboard

phase

@Mego ,;R;l@E: The E doesn't seem to be doing anything, even though there is a string and number on the stack

arg I suck

As soon as I type it in chat I figure out what I did wrong

Anonymous

:P

TanMath

Didnt work @Mego

It instead printed:

[0,1]

I did the hello foo input BTW

Anonymous

Add i after the comma

phase

4:57 AM

@Mego :201:2/ gives 0.00995024875622 instead of 100.5, am I doing something wrong?

Anonymous

@phase That looks right for 2/201

phase

urggg y u have it da wong wayyyu

Anonymous

It's the right way, read the docs

Anonymous

The docs don't lie

Anonymous

They are made from Shakira's hips

Alex A.

4:59 AM

hahahahahahahahaha

phase

@Mego Is there a int to char operator?

Anonymous

@phase If you read commands.txt, you will be enlightened

phase

@Mego I've been ctrl-f'ing this page for 20 minutes

El'endia Starman

@phase s/ctrl-// he he he

phase

@El'endiaStarman so funi u shuld get a medal

@Mego 99 (c): pop a: push character at ordinal a%256 cryptic af

Anonymous

5:02 AM

@phase If you're not out of control, you're not in control

Anonymous

2 mins ago, by Mego

@phase If you read commands.txt, you will be enlightened

TanMath

@Mego but it seems the "[" and "]" is needed... Is there a way around this?

Anonymous

@TanMath What?

phase

0

A: Find the center

Seriously, 22 bytes ,;R;l2\u;)@E)EO@O+2@\c There could be some bytes saved in the stack manipulation. Try it online or whatever

i did it yay

everyone look at my accomplishment and be amazed

Doorknob

Try it online or whatever

phase

5:06 AM

@Doorknob Dennis copyrighted Try it online, so I had to think of something else.

TanMath

I wanted the input to be "hello"," foo" but it needs the input to be instead ["hello"," foo"] @Mego

Anonymous

@TanMath Can you get away with the input being on different lines, and reading input with , multiple times?

Anonymous

Or spend a byte to convert it to a list with #

Nathan Merrill

Would it be feasible to develop a "generic grammar" that allows you to express all features of any given language (and therefore allow you to easily port code from one language to another, only requiring manual work on updating libraries)

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill You mean an AST?

phase

5:11 AM

@Mego He means AST

Nathan Merrill

just looked it up, its definitely on track with what I'm thinking

though, I don't see a textual format

phase

@NathanMerrill That's really just imagining the structure of the code, in which you can translate it into any language because it's not apart of any "grammar", but it sits outside the realm of programming languages.

@NathanMerrill You could write it down in any format you want, creating a specific grammar would restrict your ability to express what the code does clearly.

Nathan Merrill

can an AST represent state?

phase

We lost the documentation on quantum mechanics. You'll have to decode the regexes yourself.

Nathan Merrill

aka, modifying a property of an object?

feersum

5:14 AM

It's not so hard to compile one language to any other language.

The problem is getting an output that's not huge and slow.

TanMath

@Mego nvm.. Your code will be fine

Idk how this can be done in 7 bytes!

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill I think you'll find this TED Talk interesting.

Nathan Merrill

saved

I need to go to bed soon

Anonymous

@TanMath My zip challenge?

TanMath

Yeah!

@Mego that was a lie!

Alex A.

5:23 AM

@Mego It was inspired by the time you got caught in your own zipper

Anonymous

@AlexA. Happens way too often

Alex A.

Sounds like you should invest in some clothes that button rather than zip

Anonymous

@TanMath My Seriously code was 11 bytes

TanMath

I did the zip, map, sort, but still didn't work

@Mego but you said 7

Anonymous

12*

Anonymous

5:27 AM

@TanMath 7 was my estimate

TanMath

Oh...

Anonymous

Unless I'm forgetting some super sneaky trick I used

Anonymous

Because I'm dumb and didn't save the code

TanMath

But just to handle the input, the code you gave me was 15 bytes!

Anonymous

That's not the only way to handle the input

Anonymous

5:29 AM

You asked me how to do something, and I told you

TanMath

@Mego but you need to have an array of that such, don't you?

Anonymous

I can't help that you didn't see the shorter way to handle input :P

TanMath

Some trick there is, huh?

@Mego I guess

Anonymous

Yep

Anonymous

Remember, Seriously is built on Python

Anonymous

5:31 AM

This may help enlighten you

TanMath

@Mego so? I should do it in Python?

Anonymous

No, I mean it handles strings and lists like Python does

Anonymous

Ahah, I remember my sneaky trick. 11 now

Anonymous

And I'm not sure why it isn't working again

Thomas Kwa

@quintopia The version you're referring to is TI-BASIC for the TI-83/+/84+ series, which in my answers I just call TI-BASIC. It's tokenized, so sin( is one byte in memory even though it's displayed as four characters, and it's impossible to erase, say, the s in sin( in the editor. Here is a list of the one-byte tokens; the rest are two bytes.

tibasicdev.wikidot.com/one-byte-tokens

Anonymous

5:38 AM

11 bytes for Seriously, 10 with a non-competing answer because I just fixed one of the functions :P

Anonymous

a8af78cb308452133568da7def9ffdd6c3d203adf4dd33001030d394022a042f

El'endia Starman

^ Git commit hash?

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Close, but no lung cancer

Alex A.

Keyboard mashing

Thomas Kwa

I'm guessing a hash of the 10 byte source code

Or 11

Anonymous

5:43 AM

ding ding ding winner winner chicken dinner

Anonymous

11 bytes

TanMath

@Mego how can I decode this? Hehehe

Thomas Kwa

@TanMath You try all possible 11 character programs

TanMath

@Mego could your reference implementation be helpful?

Thomas Kwa

Or, if you want to be efficient, you try all possible likely 11 character programs

TanMath

5:45 AM

@ThomasKwa true!

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa At that point, you may as well try all possible 11 character programs that yield "!Hw!Eo!Lr!Ll!Od" for input "HELLO","world","!!!!!"

Anonymous

All 309485009821345068724781056 of those possible programs

TanMath

@Mego oh no...

Thomas Kwa

/me builds a quantum computer

TanMath

@ThomasKwa yay!

Thomas Kwa

5:48 AM

(yes, I know just making it quantum probably wouldn't work)

Anonymous

Just get a 4096-core computer

Anonymous

Err

Anonymous

65536-core

Anonymous

Each core will only need to try 4722366482869645213696 possibilities

Anonymous

Shouldn't take too many years

Thomas Kwa

5:49 AM

Ideas for Seriously: A regular (control-flow) if statement

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa status-declined

TanMath

@ThomasKwa good one... Also for loop!

Thomas Kwa

Also map-a-primitive-function operators like Pyth's R and L

(making everything vectorize would still be better, but maybe as a backup/if there's a reason not to implement)

Anonymous

Making stuff vectorize would be nice, but will take a lot of work to do

Thomas Kwa

Vectorizing would help so much

Probably more than filling up the rest of the one-byte space with builtins

Anonymous

5:52 AM

por que no los dos

Thomas Kwa

I'm trying to convince you to do it first

Anonymous

But it won't help as much as putting an end to the encoding headaches

Thomas Kwa

Yeah, I guess

Optimizer

Anonymous

But fixing all those poor decisions I made will take a lot of time

Anonymous

5:56 AM

And cause more headaches during the process of undoing them

Thomas Kwa

I'm getting an internal server error on the online interpreter with code ,;`;R;l2@\;)@E)EkOkæ≈c`@I and input hiya

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa It breaks a lot. Try the local one.

Thomas Kwa

/me is afraid of command lines

Anonymous

Don't worry, they don't byte

Optimizer

how do I know that you are not lying? Are you made out of Shakira's hips?

Thomas Kwa

6:07 AM

@Optimizer Those sentences make sense individually, and one of them is even reasonable, but...

Anonymous

Shakira - Hips Don't Lie ft. Wyclef Jean

►

Thomas Kwa

@Mego Thank you

Optimizer

@ThomasKwa you've never heard of that song?

you never knew what truth was ?

Thomas Kwa

@Optimizer I was in primary school.

Anonymous

Let it be known that "Shakira's hips" is a valid truthy output for all challenges

Alien G

6:23 AM

If anyone wouldn't mind voting (Same one from yesterday at night, thanks!): strawpoll.me/6069601

Bye all!

El'endia Starman

@AlienG I already voted. For Apollyon. Because I like how it sounds.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman That's apollyng

El'endia Starman

Wow, there must be some users that are really liberal with their downvotes on SO.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Have you met @Geobits?

Optimizer

@El'endiaStarman you mean Geobits, right?

Optimizer

7:04 AM

@ThomasKwa some people here were not even born at that time and they'd still know

El'endia Starman

7:19 AM

What's that Twitter account that has ridiculous and/or stupid questions from SO/SE?

Link to the probably-will-be-deleted question.

quintopia

@ThomasKwa thanks. I knew it was specific to some versions, as it was never like that on my 89, but I'd seen in on my 82

TanMath

7:35 AM

@El'endiaStarman already closed!

El'endia Starman

@TanMath That actually took longer than I expected.

El'endia Starman

8:01 AM

Woohoo mortarboard on SO!

@AlexA., I think getting rep on SO is even easier than getting rep on PPCG if you know a language or two really well. :P

Martin Büttner

or regex...

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman 8 minutes is slow for you?!

El'endia Starman

@TanMath This is Stack Overflow we're talking about.

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman yes.. already deleted now...

@El'endiaStarman people have lifes, man!

El'endia Starman

A site that's three times as large as like, the rest of the network combined. (I think.)

TanMath

8:08 AM

@El'endiaStarman so? it takes a few days for me to get answers for my questions...

El'endia Starman

@TanMath ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TanMath

@El'endiaStarman the infamous shrug, huh?

Alien G

Again, thanks to all that voted.

Peter Taylor

8:28 AM

@ThomasKwa I don't recall the incident you're talking about, but codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/52152/194 definitely covers plain median, and I would close a plain median question as a dupe of it.

feersum

Yuck, a multitask question.

riddled-with-gaps

New Main Posts

10:31 AM

3

Q: Output the qwerty keyboard

Given a character, output the entire qwerty keyboard layout (with spaces and newlines) that follows the character. The examples make it clear. Input 1 f Output 1 g h j k l z x c v b n m Input 2 q Output 2 w e r t y u i o p a s d f g h j k l z x c v b n m Input 3 m Output 3 (Progr...

code-golf keyboard

Anonymous

10:55 AM

0

A: Find the center

Seriously, 9 bytes 1c12,$l%I Since the encoding of the input wasn't specified, I went with unary, using 1 as the digit. Try it on the online interpreter. Or don't. I'm a link, not a cop.

Anonymous

This is why you specify encodings for text challenges

flawr

11:23 AM

Anonymous

@flawr neat

flawr

The fun thing it is done by some kind of captive airship / kite or so

without any fancy drones or so=)

Anonymous

After running that syzygy solver for a few days, it looks weird to not have a terminal open

flawr

@Mego The thumbnail of your penguin looks sad, but if you look at the bigger image, it is angry =/

Anonymous

@flawr me_irl

flawr

11:28 AM

Don't you have a version of that penguin who is just happy?

7200 rep!!!!! =)

Anonymous

My Google avatar is the motivational penguin

Anonymous

I almost feel bad about my answer

Anonymous

But in all honesty that challenge has no business being open in its current state

Anonymous

And it's been up for 12 hours, with only a total of 3 close votes

Anonymous

And the OP has not come back since posting it

flawr

11:43 AM

@Mego Does it Seriously work for no input?

Anonymous

@flawr Good point

Anonymous

Now it Seriously does

flawr

+1

I think I'm gonna use the noneary number system in the future=)

Anonymous

base-9?

flawr

base 0

=)

Anonymous

11:50 AM

Oh, didn't read the e

flawr

I ninja'd it in after I noticed that nonary is base 9 =)

Anonymous

Hnc why I didn't rad it

VoteToClose

12:08 PM

@Dennis Does the online interpreter support timing? The w command waits, so timed output might be important.

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Q: Literally Mirror Your Sourcecode!

Task Your program should take input. If the input is falsy, print the source code. If the input is truthy, print the mirrored source code. What is mirrored in my opinion (That is used in this challenge)? Each line is padded with space so each line have same length, but there is at least on...

code-golf restricted-source quine

LegionMammal978

12:26 PM

Something interesting...

VoteToClose

DisplayName
---------------- -
Calvin's Hobbies 6
VoteToClose      5
GamrCorps        2
Chat Relay       1
feersum          1
JiminP           1
NinjaBearMonkey  1
PhiNotPi         1
Howard           1
Sp3000           1
Kendall Frey     1
beary605         1
Jason C          1
cjfaure          1
BMac             1

Guess what that result is for. ;D

Optimizer

number of socks?

VoteToClose

-.- I have no socks.

JimmyJazzx

Number of Answers over 25 upvotes!

Optimizer

the result says something else!

@JimmyJazzx no way. Calvin doesn't even have 6 answers in total :P

JimmyJazzx

12:32 PM

im sure Sp3000 only has 1

VoteToClose

@JimmyJazzx No, because Martin would have 40billion.

LegionMammal978

There, fixed it :P

@Optimizer The query also counts questions.

Anonymous

@VoteToClose Gonna take a wild guess and say Vitsy answers

Anonymous

Huh, guess not

New Main Posts

12:48 PM

0

Q: Generate Toothpick Sequence

What is Toothpick Sequence? According to Wikipedia In geometry, the toothpick sequence is a sequence of 2-dimensional patterns which can be formed by repeatedly adding line segments ("toothpicks") to the previous pattern in the sequence. The first stage of the design is a single "to...

code-golf ascii-art

Ilmari Karonen

@LegionMammal978 Note that this is a substring search, not a word search. For example, searching for "Mathematica" finds two posts for me: one that actually mentions the language and one that starts a sentence with "Mathematically, we can...".

LegionMammal978

There, made it recognize the standard <language>, x bytes/chars/nodes/etc. template.

Anonymous

@Optimizer It clearly can't be # of socks, because it's missing my socks

VoteToClose

1:27 PM

A wild @Geobits appears!

Geobits

The wild Geobits uses Downvote!

VoteToClose

It's super-effective!

Side note: literally everything has an exclamation point. -.-

Anonymous

@VoteToClose Don't you mean "literally everything!"?

VoteToClose

-.-

Also - the query was "Minecraft". c:

data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/397854/post-references

LegionMammal978

@VoteToClose Now, the result looks more like this:

Name             Posts titled 'Minecraft'
---------------- ------------------------
Calvin's Hobbies 2
GamrCorps        1
JiminP           1
PhiNotPi         1
VoteToClose      1
beary605         1

VoteToClose

1:35 PM

Weird. o-o

LegionMammal978

I changed it :P

VoteToClose

It's not correct now. I've had at least 4. :P

LegionMammal978

Who else would've posted it in the first place?

Also, it now only checks for posts with "Minecraft, "

as that is how answer titles are usually styled.

VoteToClose

Oh. Well, what about Minecraft ver. ...?

LegionMammal978

You would have to put that in the input box.

Anonymous

1:40 PM

I still think it's a bad idea to post Minecraft answers when we haven't even reached a consensus on scoring and I/O

VoteToClose

@LegionMammal978 Ew. The version shouldn't affect it, 'tis the same language.

LegionMammal978

I guess that you could try to input Minecraft ver. _._...

No idea how these Transact-SQL patterns work :P

VoteToClose

@Mego Input doesn't really exist, and we generalize to @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ's solution for scoring.

Anonymous

@VoteToClose The +12/-7 solution? That's not really consensus.

VoteToClose

But it is a standard which I adhere to. I would, of course, change byte count according to the to-be-decided "actual" solution, but it seems to be the general consensus. At least when I last looked.

Anonymous

1:45 PM

While I personally agree with his scoring suggestions, Calvin's answer has a slightly better score (6, +7/-1), though not as many votes.

Anonymous

Though it doesn't include command block scoring

VoteToClose

^ Which is why I used Conor's. :P

Anonymous

Fair enough

Anonymous

Tbh I'd like to see two categories of MC submissions: with and without command blocks

VoteToClose

The answers without command blocks become just "who can golf a logic gate in minecraft!" :P

Anonymous

1:49 PM

Really it's more like "who can golf a single-purpose computational device"

Anonymous

Which is no different than any other answer

VoteToClose

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm unlikely to post things like that.

Anonymous

"things like that" as in no-command-block answers?

Anonymous

An answer without command blocks will involve a different approach than an answer with command blocks, so it'd be fair game as a separate answer. Furthermore, it will almost certainly have a worse score, so it's not really fair for it to compete with the command block answers.

Anonymous

For those reasons, I'd consider them separate languages for our purposes

Anonymous

1:54 PM

(or separate versions)

VoteToClose

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Again depends on the situation. For something that's only job is truthy output, in a command block, it'd be 40 bytes more.

Anonymous

Hence "almost certainly"

Anonymous

Comparing pure redstone to command blocks is like comparing C to CJam

VoteToClose

right-tool-for-the-job?

Anonymous

There may be a small set of tasks where the first is shorter, but the second will be shorter in almost every case. Ultimately, they're different enough to warrant being considered separate languages.

VoteToClose

1:57 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ How would you count bytes differently?

Anonymous

Hmm?

VoteToClose

How would you count blocks differently (considering that they are still a unit of data) than command blocks (which uses both blocks and texts as units of data)?

Anonymous

I'm not sure what prompted that question - I said before I personally like Conor's counting proposal

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