The Nineteenth Byte

TheBestOne

21:03

@Optimizer dropbox.com/s/7ss20xk7joimri9/android.txt?dl=0

Optimizer

Fail^

TheBestOne

My link?

Optimizer

yup

dropbox is not ascii art friendly

TheBestOne

It shows it the right way for me.

Optimizer

unless its Bender from Futurama, that is not the right way :P

TheBestOne

21:08

Zoomed out quite a bit.

Optimizer

I look so handsome

TheBestOne

Your head looks like it has gone air born.

Optimizer

I'm practicing Air Bending

TheBestOne

Calvin's Hobbies

You guys could be out there writing challenges, but instead you're doing this...

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PhiNotPi

21:16

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@Calvin'sHobbies We had a pretty cool KOTH idea floating around earlier.

Calvin's Hobbies

I saw the conversation. I've got my own ideas too

TheBestOne

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orlp

please

my precious screen real estate

PhiNotPi

It's official, my avatar does not look good in ASCII form.

TheBestOne

I think that ^ looks good.

PhiNotPi

21:26

Much better.

TheBestOne

Who else should I do?

Martin Büttner

something that doesn't involve ascii art

PhiNotPi

Are you saying that some ASCII isn't art?

TheBestOne

Rainbolt hasn't talked for 3 days !

Martin Büttner

he never does on weekends

PhiNotPi

21:30

I haven't talked to any real-world friends in 3 days.

Martin Büttner

@rcrmn just saw your challenge proposal. you might be interested in this terrain generator I was working on about a year ago... it's hardly more than an unfinished prototype but it's based on this article which is really amazing.

@PhiNotPi to any what?

TheBestOne

@Optimizer Have you started working on your bot yet?

Hosch250

@PhiNotPi Mind if I borrow your bot for the base of mine?

PhiNotPi

@Hosch250 The Sphi-bots?

Hosch250

Yeah, well, just yours.

PhiNotPi

21:37

But you're on the opposing team!

Hosch250

Yeah.

That isn't my fault.

PhiNotPi

21:49

I think I found a contender for a completely different KOTH: zmangames.com/rulebooks/Lifeboats.pdf

Hosch250

How do you guys know which bot is yours?

PhiNotPi

Click the "show names" button or whatever it's called

Calvin's Hobbies

@Hosch250 That doesn't mean you should use their code. I'm going to be very skeptical of bots that use code primarily from another player, whether on the same or enemy team. (I already am skeptical about Wasmoo.) I'd much prefer you to write your bot on your own (or in collaboration with teammates).

Hosch250

@Calvin'sHobbies OK.

@Calvin'sHobbies If I write and submit my bot, then later make changes, can I delete that entry and post another?

Alex A.

@Hosch250: The instructions say one entry per person

Hosch250

21:55

@AlexA. OK, so no deleting and reposting.

PhiNotPi

Part of the game is that after the 8-hour window passes, that's it.

Hosch250

I know, that is why I asked.

Because once I get my main part done, I might be able to add more, I might not.

Alex A.

@Hosch250: I mean, it's ultimately up to @Calvin'sHobbies, but I would assume that that isn't legit.

PhiNotPi

Building on that KOTH idea I just mentioned, that's a pure negotiation game, where all deaths are determined in a democratic process.

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi: In a "voted off the island" sort of way?

Hosch250

21:57

I have a brilliant idea, if I only knew enough JS to write it.

I'll try.

TheBestOne

@Hosch250 What is it?

Hosch250

@TheBestOne Want to help?

Alex A.

Oh yeah, you two are teammates!

TheBestOne

Sure.

Alex A.

Don't you know this is the blue chat room?

Hosch250

21:59

I am going to attack enemy players really aggressively.

Alex A.

:O

Hosch250

But that isn't all...

TheBestOne

How?

Hosch250

Just the standard way.

That is my attack plan.

The best part is yet to come.

PhiNotPi

More-or-less. Each player controls a set of people who are distributed amongst a set of lifeboats. The goal is to get as many of your people to an island as possible. People vote on which lifeboats move fastest or get sunk.

Hosch250

22:01

When I send a message, it might contain my real position, or it might contain a position next to me randomly chosen to try to lure enemies in.

Alex A.

Haha so voted on the island

TheBestOne

@Hosch250 We can move to the red chat room.

PhiNotPi

Basically.

@Hosch250 Opponents can't read your messages.

And they always have access to your true coordinates (if they are within visual range)

Hosch250

OK.

That closes that door.

PhiNotPi

We would need a way for bots to perform some kind of negotiation.

Alex A.

22:06

@PhiNotPi: Automated or manual negotiation?

PhiNotPi

Does "automated" mean the bots are negotiating and "manual" that the human authors are doing it?

Alex A.

Yeah

PhiNotPi

I was thinking automated. Manual could be neat, but I don't know how much of a programming game that would be.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Hosch250 Right. No deleting and reposting or editing past 8 hours without special permission from me (just in case someone maliciously edits your post or something)

Hosch250

Thanks.

PhiNotPi

22:09

Maybe there can be both. The humans can have bots that work together, but the bots themselves still have to negotiate in-game because that's how the game works.

In-game automatic negotiation is where the challenge-development work will have to be done.

I say, right before they take the "real" vote, bots can tell each other what they plan to do.

So that promises can be made and such.

Alex A.

Sounds legit

PhiNotPi

Maybe interactions can be either "I'll vote for X" or "If you say you will vote for Y, I'll vote for Y too"

Or maybe simpler "I'll vote for X" or "I'll vote what you tell me to"

PhiNotPi

22:38

I just remembered that I have a webs.com page!

Wow it's been years.

"Thank you for visiting my blog. It's a work-in-progress, but progress is being made." LOL nope!

PhiNotPi

22:55

ugh, custom HTML is now a premium feature

One of my pages had a custom HTML feature already on it, so I can just edit that one.

randomra

23:13

@PhiNotPi I did a metaOEIS sketch:

PhiNotPi

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randomra

formatting...

    answer-chaining is tree form, no oeis id dupe, no seq dupe, every oeis seq has to contain '42', 1 person multiple entry, can't answer own post. max 2/person/day, score per submission is (level/codelength*100), total score is sum(score)

    id    level    parent id    parent seq    new seq
    1        1          0                      1
    2        2          1         1            1 2
    3        3          2         1 2          1 2 6
    4        1          0                      0
    5        3          2         1 2          1 2 10

I'm sure it's not understandable at all, I just wrote up this idea, will post it detailed in the sandbox sometime.

randomra

23:49

@PhiNotPi are you planning on doing the metaOEIS challenge you posted in the sandbox?

PhiNotPi

I'm back.

I can post it, but I was just waiting for some better ideas than what I had.

randomra

well I have this idea but this will definitely need a fairly complex JS snippet

(and now I have 0 JS knowledge)

PhiNotPi

I have some JS knowledge, mainly that involved in the Red vs Blue challenge.

So not much here either.

randomra

but if your challenge starts fro A00001, they will have almost 0 intersection

PhiNotPi

Okay, I'm not quite sure in how answers are chained in your description above.

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