The Nineteenth Byte

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12:25 AM

@emanresuA if "character"="byte" Incident can only do 128 of them because you need two different bytes to print anything – but you can do it with programs that are valid UTF-8 and share no UTF-8 characters in common, as long as you ignore the fact that Incident doesn't actually parse the input like that

2 hours later…

l4m2

2:39 AM

Can I write in asm or other binary-based language and claim it's UTF32?

Bubbler

3:24 AM

@l4m2 That's a valid question to ask in comment

Btw I don't think it trivializes the challenge. UTF32 doesn't allow codepoints above 0x10ffff. You need a syscall to print anything, so you'll need all sorts of ways to modify code on the fly.

Sandbox Posts

4:22 AM

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

We will say a string \$x\$ is cyclic maximal if there is no way to cycle its elements to get a lexicographically larger string. In other words there is no \$a\$ and \$b\$ such that \$a \oplus b = x\$ and \$b \oplus a > x\$. For example [3,2,3,3] is not cyclic maximal because you can cycle the 2 t...

Wheat Wizard

4:33 AM

@hyper-neutrino Yes. Come join me on the dark side.

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Tied you :)

Wheat Wizard

@Bubbler Not the same idea, but I made a language called "unbalanced" where the balanced braces are noops requiring you to have unbalanced braces to write meaningful code.

Bubbler

haha nice

emanresu A

Pain-flak does exist (although it's a trivial translation of brainflak)

Wheat Wizard

github.com/Wheatwizard/Unbalanced

Found the repo.

Bubbler

4:40 AM

Joke CMC: solve a challenge in both Unbalanced and Brain-Flak, so that the two code has edit distance 2 or lower (you can choose the kind of edit distance)

Mukundan314

What pastebins or URL shorteners do you all use when TIO link won't fit in a comment?

emanresu A

tinyurl mostly

Mukundan314

thanks

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Simd

7:50 AM

Some of my python functions accidentally use global variables. Is there a tool to help detect where this happens?

Bubbler

8:04 AM

@Simd some quick search gives this SO Q&A

localscope package: github.com/tillahoffmann/localscope

emanresu A

→ 1 phone moved to pakistan

Simd

8:32 AM

@Bubbler thanks so much!

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l4m2

10:54 AM

Do this work on standard?

<style>.a,.a:checked~.b,.a:not(:checked)~.c{display:none}</style><label><input type="checkbox" class="a"><span class="b">+</span><span class="c">-</span> foo<label class="c"><br>   456</label></label>

5 hours later…

DLosc

4:06 PM

@Bubbler Serious answer: Shortest infinite loop producing no output, Brain-Flak 8 bytes (()){()}, Unbalanced 7 bytes (()){)}, edit distance 1

Or if the criterion to optimize is total bytes rather than edit distance, the Unbalanced code can remove any one character except the last close-paren.

The Empty String Photographer

4:48 PM

CMegaC: Make a program that doesn’t run what its code tells it to.

The Empty String Photographer

5:09 PM

Another CMegaC: Make a program that’s always very tired, like me.

Seggan

woo my custom-lang-smth-like-asm-called-gourmet to chef compiler is working!

def $t0;
push 1;
pop $t0;

test.

Ingredients.
0 a
1 b

Method.
Put b into 3rd mixing bowl. Fold a into 3rd mixing bowl.

Serves 1.

IM COMING FOR YOU BOUNTY

mousetail

What's the most mainstream electronic circuit based esolang?

Else I'll build one myself

DLosc

5:34 PM

There's Chip, which is not at all mainstream, and Wireworld, which is mainstream enough to have a Wikipedia article, but I'm not sure if it's the kind of thing you're looking for.

RubenVerg

5:53 PM

tonight i had a dream where i made an esolang but can't remember any of the details. it was probably based on a very dumb idea

Mukundan314

6:32 PM

trying to detect cycles in a graph given undirected edges in vyxal, but having a very hard time any help is appreciated

New Posts

6:58 PM

Q: Next cyclic suffix

We will say a string \$x\$ is cyclic maximal if there is no way to cycle its elements to get a lexicographically larger string. In other words there is no \$a\$ and \$b\$ such that \$a \oplus b = x\$ and \$b \oplus a > x\$, where \$\oplus\$ is concatenation. For example [3,2,3,3] is not cyclic ma...

code-golf

New Posts

7:39 PM

Q: Can I Clear The Grid?

I recently found this game and have been enjoying it. Basically, there is a grid of colored tiles and you act by clicking on empty spaces. When you click an empty space, the first tile (if any) in each of the four axis-aligned directions is selected. If any color appears more than once, all tiles...

code-golf decision-problem grid

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math scat

9:01 PM

@NewPosts ~~imma say this is indeterminable. QED~~

oooh, how about this, but it's an infinite (periodically repeating) grid?

hyper-neutrino

@mathscat can't you literally brute force it

math scat

yea ig

Someone

9:38 PM

maybe put a time constraint?

DLosc

@mathscat "Can I clear the grid?" "IDK, can you?"

lyxal

"depends tbh"

math scat

that's the correct mindset!

lyxal

@mathscat you right

How are we supposed to know hyper's capabilities for any given grid?

Hyper might be able to clear a grid I might not

And where a program can find a solution, hyper might not be able to

So the challenge is basically impossible because it's not self contained

We'd need a downloadable copy of hyper in the post to know exactly what behaviour to replicate

math scat

either that or VTC as guesswork

I wonder if hyper's high score has any correlation to whether he can clear a grid.

we need more testing data

lyxal

9:53 PM

I imagine we'd need more data on reaction time and pattern recognition

He'd need to allow us to make an AI model of his game play to even have a chance at objectively determining whether he can clear a grid

Someone

10:09 PM

not that kind of time constraint

hyper-neutrino

you know, if you can somehow get a way to get that data and actually train an AI I'll allow it

Someone

I mean a "the program has to take this much time to find the answer for a grid of this size" constraint. Maybe as a sort of optimization problem, since it's not very codegolf-like?

hyper-neutrino

how is it not code-golf-like

Someone

it's a coding challenge, but not a golfing one

it's still on-scope, but not as much

also, time constraints would have to be tweaked A LOT to prevent lang discrimination

hyper-neutrino

explain how it's not a golfing one and how it's any less on-scope to this site than any other coding challenge

I don't get what point you're trying to make and why you're picking on my challenge specifically for "not being on-scope enough" or "discriminating against languages", which is a topic that's been discussed basically since this site was created and that I am much more familiar with

lyxal

10:16 PM

@hyper-neutrino gonna have to get in touch with zucky and get him to get you hooked on vr games so we can learn you behaviours and skills in 3d

Gonna use the lizard man to harvest you data

Code golf meta but without the code golf

Someone

@hyper-neutrino I did neither of those things. I was talking about my idea, not your challenge.

hyper-neutrino

oh that's what you mean?

Someone

Your challenge is great!

hyper-neutrino