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12:19 PM
@PyGamer0 ouch
ayy I have exactly 3500 rep!
 
@Ginger Can you bounty me 500, would give both of us 1 extra mod point
 
@mousetail lol
 
@mathcat yes
 
middle school cs is even more boring, because scratch
 
scratch was kinda fun actually :P
 
12:23 PM
I loved scratch
 
Scratch is cool
 
i still use it now and then to make little timewaster games
 
I actually took my first steps into esolang development on scratch without actually realising it at the time
 
oh? do tell more
 
Scratch is actually quite fun
 
12:24 PM
Scratch is very cool, I'd spend all my time "voting" in the random projects where there where 2 lists and you would fork a project and add you name to the column you voted for
 
but sadly im losing interest in programming slowly
@mousetail :#
:3
 
@thejonymyster I've only just realised but by trying to make a language where each command was 3 characters long, I essentially was making an esolang
 
Of course you could tactically fork the "second to last" branch if the last branch had a different opinion than you
 
@lyxal The world is waiting for Scryxal
10
 
I'm basically getting cyber bullied.
 
12:25 PM
@mathcat everything in high school is pretty boring
 
@lyxal i think trying to make a language in scratch is esolangy enough :P
 
Scratch was basically the only social media I was allowed to use so that's how I used it
 
@PyGamer0 Not chemistry :3
 
@DialFrost chemistry is just a bunch of memorization
the way teachers also teach makes it boring
 
Y'all ever make those scratch studios where the idea was to add as many projects about one topic as possible?
 
12:26 PM
@PyGamer0 I never needed to memorize anything for chemistry
 
@mousetail why ?
 
we could use a periodic table on exams
 
nice
 
i wish there was like, more crazy shit u could do in scratch like, procedurally generate scratch code blocks in it :PP
 
what about the equations?
 
12:27 PM
@thejonymyster I think you are wanting Snap!
 
Yea a few of them, but the equations are pretty inituative
 
@Ginger oh that was the push i needed to go check it out if thats the case
 
acid + base = water + salt. acid + carbonate = water + salt + carbon dioxide
 
thanks, I love pushing
 
goodbye mom.png *stops using scratch forever*
 
12:28 PM
@thejonymyster after looking in the project, I think I might not tell any more about it:
thank you 2014 lyxal very cool
 
aaaaa dark mode scratch aaaaa
 
I'm dying of cringe right now btw
 
you act like you dont still do that in vyxal
 
f
 
@thejonymyster hey, that's mature sh*tposting. That scratch project is straight up yikes
 
12:30 PM
golfposting
@lyxal I think we all did this
 
Excellent loading script
 
lmao i love it
 
Oh and when I used scratch I used a netbook with sound so bad every single sound effect sounded like a screaching bat and I didn't understand why people used that sound in their games
some bitrate issue
 
@PyGamer0 >:(
 
Am I the only one here who doesn't like scratch?
 
12:30 PM
Yes
:3
 
I like it because nostalgia
not because it's actually good
 
All science is either physics or stamp collecting - Mark Twain
 
thanks
 
@mousetail same
 
@Ginger wait seriously I have more than you?
 
12:31 PM
Btw @PyGamer0 If you like chem and you understand how it works its super fun (you can logic your way through majority of answers)
@mousetail he
 
@Seggan I am not all that active on main lol
 
@mousetail ok ... yeah that's also how i memorized
 
@Seggan has been grinded for quite awhile, I've been watching :#
 
@mousetail I mean, coding for loops in scratch is like hell but worse.
 
@mousetail scratch?
 
12:32 PM
@DialFrost eh, not actually :P
side effect of Fig answers
 
Yea scratch
 
metal nitride + warm water → metal hydroxide + ammonia
 
wow I got tagged a lot in a few mins
 
@PyGamer0 :3
 
oh frick I just saw that I once made one of those crash site (gambling thing where a multiplier goes up and stops at a random number and you have to cash out before it stops) on scratch
 
12:32 PM
@lyxal underage gambling? cringe posts? sorry but you just lost my vote for mod :p
 
after scratch I used gamemaker for a while
 
@PyGamer0 Interseting reaction havent really seen that one
 
was really good too
 
does anyone clever know how to convert this a gif? twitter.com/modhabobo/status/…
 
you just disqualified most of us lol
 
"I'd be a strict-when-necessary-otherwise-chill Moderator" - lyxal
Hmm I can see that :3
 
@mathcat my eyeeees
 
@mathcat *hiding my code blocks behind one another to appear golfier*
 
Scratch should be scored in area
7
 
12:42 PM
That song's so underrated
 
CMC write if var == True: return True else return False except even worse
 
well the next step is to switch else for an else if to check if var is false
 
if var == True: return True else if var != True return False
(not really sure what language this is)
 
beyond that, maybe instead of using raw boolean values (dangerous) you might want to use a function designed to safely return true or false
 
if MyBool(var) == MyBool(True): return MyBool(True).value else if MyBool(var) != MyBool(True) return MyBool(var).value
 
12:50 PM
 
unrelated dumb idea: x=>[true,false,true][x], which depends on your index origin :P
 
@mathcat i bet that could be written in 2 lines of python
not. golfy.
 
^^ ^ that's why I hate scratch
 
i can respect that as a reason to not like scratch
 
I came up with [False, True][0**var] last time this was asked
 
12:51 PM
although I do owe scratch 400 of my rep
 
@mousetail Try it Online!
0 →var # Put the value into var
←var ḃE‹ċ¬ [ # if not (2 ** boolify(var) - 1) != 1:
  `True`
| # else
  ←var ḃ¬0=›1≤ [ # if not (boolify(var) == 0 + 1 <= 1):
  `False`
  ]
]
 
or bool([[],[[]]][0**var])
@lyxal nice
 
@Ginger :)
 
![![[]],!![[]]][0**var]
js power!
 
I'm revoking your JS license
...again
 
1:00 PM
ugh man
 
I'll get you a new counterfeit licence
 
thanks
 
Now I'm wondering if the 0**x trick could actually be useful in golfing, since it has higher precidence than 1-x and also works with values other than 1.0
or I guess it's probably been used before lots and I'm just late to the party
 
only one way to find out
 
Oh I see in tips that ^1 would also work in the same situations and pretty universally be shorter
 
1:07 PM
Using SOCK² at school...and it's working :D
 
what's SOCK² again? searching chat doesnt help, it returns every result for sock, and google is on something else
ive seen you posting about it before but i never paid attention :P
 
nice!
 
@mousetail ive actually seen that in real life code, java edition
 
@Seggan Yea I've seen this version a lot, even though it has 2 separate layers of redundancy. I'm wondering if it can be made even worse.
 
@mousetail Fig, !!
 
1:17 PM
@thejonymyster Custom proxy
 
Just installed a wsl, even though python is in $PATH, it says command not found. Do I have to install it through apt-get again?
 
Strange, I'm assuming question bias is quite prevalent in SE? guys?
 
?
 
@mathcat Your windows path or your linux path?
 
@mathcat Maybe try closing and reopening the shell
 
1:19 PM
@mathcat try using python.exe instead of python
 
Like people only view certain questions
 
I mean, that's a bit vague, isn't it
 
@Seggan oops thanks
linux is weird
 
On astronomy I tried this, my questions about identifying a certain star become popular, anything else doesn't reach the HQN
 
@Seggan Why would that work
 
1:20 PM
@RadvylfPrograms WSL
also it worked :P
 
@DialFrost in the sense that something SE does is particularly contributing it? or in the sense that SE is a site which hosts questions, and every question hosting medium will be subject to it...
 
i had the same problem with java
 
Huh. I thought WSL was more like a container/VM, weird that it'd use exes
 
@DialFrost HNQ is self-reinforcing
 
self-reinforcing?
 
1:21 PM
@DialFrost HNQ has a lot more to do with the answers than the question
 
No like, all my identify star questions get views before they get the good answers
 
Chances are, your star identification questions get multiple quick, simple answers with lots of votes, compared to others
 
they don't get answers at all @RadvylfPrograms
 
@DialFrost Sounds like people just like them then
 
They take a short time yes sorta, but theres always only 1 answer
@RadvylfPrograms Hehe, strange but :3
 
1:22 PM
I mean I still don't get what's surprising about "people are interested in some topics and not others" :p
 
@RadvylfPrograms Same, but I guess you gotta give people the content they luv :3
@RadvylfPrograms Is it a bad thing to ask the same type of questions over and over?
 
@DialFrost No! you must give them the content they deserve #batman
 
Cuz I though it's boring to those on the question page and they see the same types of question and the same person asking them
 
No, if you really do need answers to them, but it probably makes it seem like you're just asking questions for rep/attention
 
Oh, that's what I'm afraid of
Cuz I recently started grinding alot of astronomy (yes I find it fascinating :3)
 
1:25 PM
if you've been posting a ton of star identification questions, maybe try one or two about how to identify a star in general. Teach a man to fish and all that.
 
@RadvylfPrograms I only asked about 4
:3
 
:# is when you try to smile but someone is walking past you with a cheese grater and slips on a banana peel
4
 
@RadvylfPrograms Hmm honestly I didn't really think of that, lemme open up astronomy meta real quick
 
@RadvylfPrograms # = wafl
 
'scuse me we are strictkly a pancake chat room
 
1:27 PM
god i can totally imagine it being called the "waffle operator" in some language lol
 
That might be what intercal calls it
Wait no it's just "mesh"
Boring
 
@mathcat just realised this won't even work and always return True
 
i like # as "hash", but only if $ is "cash"
 
@RadvylfPrograms I don't see any post of how to "identify a star in general" so should I ask one? There's a few that look like dupes, but there photos are black and white and programmed outputted, not real photos
Is this ok?
 
@mousetail double oops
 
1:29 PM
@DialFrost You're more familiar with Astronomy (and what would be a dupe) than I am :p
 
for identifying stars in sky
 
@RadvylfPrograms Heh, I'm only a few days new to it!
 
Still a few more days than me :p
 
@RadvylfPrograms Can't believe im studying astronomy with less than 1 week left to exams (now 2 days :()
Anyone have tips on how to handle a person who is way to chill for upcoming exams?
 
What do you mean by "handle"
And if they're not stressed out about them that sounds like a good thing
 
1:39 PM
Uh in this case that person is me so ya, what should I do?
Hmm, but it becomes a problem when I studied an ok amount, but feel like it's not enough
 
test yourself?
 
^
Find a practice test online if you can
 
Why not take a field trip to a nearby star to study it in more detail
5
 
@mousetail XD
@RadvylfPrograms Can't my school's syllabus is way too specific (I mean I can, but I'll be wasting time skipping questions that arent tested)
 
1:56 PM
I know it sounds weird and really dumb but
I discovered an app called "Terminal" on windows just a week ago.
 
lemme guess is it made by Microsoft?
 
Terminal is quite good
better than CMD
 
i just use conemu
 
Yeah, it's good
It's from a few years back, supports CMD, Powershell, and WSL all in one spot
 
I feel like I've lost 2 years of my life by using the default CMD colour scheme.
 
1:59 PM
You can change the default CMD color scheme
I had it in light mode for a while
but a lot of programs broke, since when you manually set the text color text becomes unreadable
 
ooh it has full unicode support
finally, vyxal lists look nice on the command line!
 
2:14 PM
wow today we went though a lot of stars
 
CMP: Tabs or spaces?
 
spaces
 
0-width spaces
 
@mathcat glow, retro effects
 
ah
 
2:25 PM
@PyGamer0 Spaces
 
why spaces?
 
@PyGamer0 definitely spaces for production code, but tabs for golfing
 
i think i will switch to tabs
 
I also like using RTL-marker characters to indent. It makes every other line reversed
4
 
unless i find a good reason to not do so
 
2:27 PM
Most editors automatically replace tab with 4 spaces
 
did you know you can disable that
> why spaces?
 
Spaces allow you to customize indentation for visual alignment
So you are not locked to 8 width intervals
 
@mousetail you can also change that
 
Yea but now your visual alignment is off
 
1 tab is one character in memory, 4 spaces are 4 characters
wastage of space
 
2:31 PM
people with different tab width will see your code totally differently
 
task for me: program using tabs for indentation
@mousetail how about using spaces + tabs :P
 
That works
but now if you accidentally use too many spaces once it's totally invisible but looks bad on a different computer
 
@PyGamer0 Why?
 
@RadvylfPrograms because makefile uses tabs
 
@PyGamer0 The space you save by using tabs instead of spaces is ridiculously small
 
2:34 PM
3
Q: Create a nibble shorthand

Wheat WizardI recently stumbled across this image on wikimedia commons. It's a little bit of an information overload at first, but after examining it a bit it shows an interesting number system for writing nibbles. Image created by user Watchduck. First off a "nibble" is a 4 bit number which is really a nu...

 
@PyGamer0 only write one-liners
 
@RadvylfPrograms doesnt 1:4 ratio grow a lot for bigger files
@thejonymyster that is also a good option
or just use 1 space for indentation
 
@PyGamer0 Even a 10k line file with an average indentation depth of 8 would only save you a few hundred kilobytes.
 
the few hundred kilobytes count if you are low on disk space :p
 
Like, sure, two hundred thousand spaces is a lot, but in terms of file sizes that's not even worth considering
Especially when even cheap laptops have like half a terabyte of storage nowadays
 
2:36 PM
@PyGamer0 if a few hundred Kbs count how are you even doing stuff
 
@PyGamer0 Not within the same file
 
i will switch to tabs and see what happens
 
What will happen is your code will feel exactly the same to navigate, be a slight percentage smaller, and be really annoying to upload anywhere
 
@PyGamer0 - famous last words
 
@mathcat we will see about that
 
2:38 PM
@PyGamer0 Nice
Is that meme still a thing?
 
eternally, yes
 

nice

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Bookmarked Mar 11 at 9:14 by emanresu A

 
I use spaces because PEP 8.
 
is 1337 still a funny number
 
Eventually everyone will IRL69 and get bored with it
 
2:40 PM
reads like a "rule of the internet"
 
Feb 14 at 11:50, by StackMeterPlus
69|420|1337 (bars for emphasis) is prime
we found the funniest prime
 
oh my god
 
h... how
 
 
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3:43 PM
@PyGamer0 Spaces, but only with a text editor that treats space-indents like tabs (tab key indents by one level, backspace dedents by one level, new line defaults to same indentation as previous line).
 
My text editor does all but one of those
 
Or I guess Notepad++'s strategy is fine too: backspace doesn't dedent, but Shift-Tab does
 
Backspace doesn't delete all four at once, same with arrow key navigation
@DLosc Oh hey TIL my text editor sort of does this too
Except for some reason it dedents all the way
 
Huh
I think IDLE uses Ctrl-[ or something like that
 
Ctrl+[ and Ctrl+] are pretty standard, right?
My text editor has them, and I'm pretty sure I've used them in Atom
 
3:47 PM
really it should be outdenting
 
Exdenting and imdenting
 
Dedenting is so inconsistent it's very annoying
 
let me check what it is in replit cause
 
even in good ide's it randomly removes a single space instead
 
right in replit it indents and dedents, even working for an entire selection which i find cool
 
3:49 PM
@RadvylfPrograms Edenting and indenting, I think </latin-pedantry>
 
also mass commenting and uncommenting with ctrl / on a line or selection
 
Oh that's interesting
 
although its not very smart and will just double comment a commented line if your selection includes both commented and uncommented lines :P
 
still very useful for when im bad and a lot of my code is bad at once :P
also unfortunate; in js at least it seems to prefer // commenting over /**/ commenting
but only /**/ comments are collapsible
 
3:51 PM
@thejonymyster This is what you want typically right?
 
i think so probably
yeah actually i guess i cant imagine wanting to like... flip flop between two things being comments or code lol
 
it would be really annoying if you wanted to comment out a large block of code that included comments and it uncommented the comments
 
lmao
ok yea
aw that reminded me of something funny, a language about "first class comments"
but i think the repo was deleted
sad!
 
Fun fact: In JS, comments can observably impact code
Thanks to [ Object function ].toString()
 
oh my lord
 
3:56 PM
@thejonymyster aren't "first class comments" just strings?
 
it was a meme lang lol, everything that was "commented" was code, and vice versa
and all the tokens etc were designed to look like things ppl say in comments about horrible cursed code
lang was called "TODO: fix" i think
 
Hmmm now I'm inspired for a language where every line needs a redundant comment
c = a + b // set c to a plus b
It wouldn't compile if you omitted the comment
 
ERROR: I'm not sure what this does, can you explain it to me?
 
Errors should imitate a very unhelpful code reviewer
 

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