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12:01 AM

curried index operator? interesting

also if you're thinking keyword arguments should have the same syntax as eventual dict literals, maybe some kind of arrow?

because walrus looks fine in the function call but it might be weird elsewhere

Hmm, <- maybe?

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yeah

This'll be like R but backwards

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or ->

Walrus /should/ look fine in dictionary literals

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12:02 AM

<- makes more sense in the logic of assignment but -> makes more sense for mapping

Yeah

[somekey := 3]

@emanresuA BCMC: Decrement a signed integer

People would be less likely to confuse foo(bar->baz) for assignment

@DLosc Ooh

@DLosc Close

12:13 AM

@DLosc this somehow works: dloscutoff.github.io/Esolangs/BitCycle/…

wait no

i accidentally made a program that moves an unsigned int away from zero

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nice

**BCMC: Eventually print all integers

@emanresuA all positive integers? or all integers

all integers

i do have a "count up from 1 forever" program already written: dloscutoff.github.io/Esolangs/BitCycle/…

12:18 AM

@des54321 17 bytes

@DLosc 18 bytes

@emanresuA Once each, or can zero be in there twice?

I'ma say repeat as much as you want

@JoKing Oh that's pretty

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Q: Palindromic Powers

Palindromic Powers Powers We define an important power as a number that can be represented as \$ x^y \$ where \$ x ≥ 2 \$ and \$ y ≥ 2 \$. Palindrome We define an important palindrome as a number that is the same written forwards and backward, and is greater than 10. Thus, the last digit must not...

12:21 AM

@DLosc dloscutoff.github.io/Esolangs/BitCycle/… this works, but its decidedly not pretty

@des54321 Unfortunately, doesn't work either. :/ Input of 0 outputs 0 rather than -1.

@DLosc oh thats elegant

@DLosc ah shoot youre right

@DLosc yep and i think that's the only problem

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Gonna submit that to the dev survey

CGCC is a great way to learn all the ways you shouldnt write code

12:23 AM

maybe try detecting if it is 0?? ;-)

@des54321 yep

pep8's the most happy of all time

Oh and last time for a homework assignment

i sent my teacher this

@des54321 arguably, I'd say it's helped me in ways that uni/traditional ways of learning code can't

def               M_a_I_n ():
    for a   in range  (~x +1,x +1)  :
      X=  1000  -a   *a*(  1+  a)
      print   (a  ,X/  2, a** 3+X /2)

@lyxal Where's the "trying stuff until it looks like it works" option? smh

hhh

wait i want to know if you guys know what hhh mans

*means

I don't, but I'm going to guess it means laughing?

12:26 AM

@lyxal oh it certainly helps get a grasp on how programming langs work, but often by doing things to those languages that you should never ever ever do to them in actual dev work

@DLosc can "smh" mean "shaking my hand"? s

@des54321 like indenting by one space or assigning a lambda function

@des54321 but also playing the meta-game of golfing language creation has taught me heaps about things like functional programming, repository management, efficient teamwork and more

yah

the most important part is code-golfing doesn't teach you how to code

it does the exact opposite

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it lets you explore the intricacies of a language and encourages creativity and problem solving

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12:28 AM

^

yeah i learn a lot of interesting thing about python for example

One important coding skill that golf does cultivate is the ability to read a spec, boil it down to an algorithm, and implement that algorithm. Also the ability to look at the algorithm you've used and go, "Wait, that part isn't even necessary..."

imagine making a steam game with all code golfed

@Niko then you'd probably say, that's too long code, let's remove that character

there was that really small 2d game with the wizards

@lyxal I unironically did this btw

12:31 AM

don't remember what it was called, but it golfed all the pixel art and stuff as well

@JoKing yah but it's probably very unreadable so probably you won't get a work golfing code unless you get a job on code-golf stack exchange

i don't think that is an argument against my point?

@NumberBasher the thing about code golf is that its fun to do (a hobby, basically), not becuz its for a paycheck

i don't jog because i'm trying to get into the olympics, i just don't jog

@AidenChow i know

@JoKing just finding a good message to reply to

12:43 AM

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Can I just say that a good heck of a lot has changed here over the last 1000 days

I sure have seen a lot happen lol

going from 4 mods down to 1, TNB's most silent days in history, the revamp of code golf, new moderacy, new ROs, new chat culture, new esolangs and new users

Tis been a crazy ride

and I can't wait for the next 1k days

caird coinheringaahing

That's an impressive streak

dang 1000 days, thats like 2.5 years

thats before i even join stack exchange as a whole

@AidenChow 2.737851 to be exact

caird coinheringaahing

Oh damn, in the last 2 years (to the day), I've only missed 2 days: May 14th, 2020 and May 25, 2021

Not sure why, I generally don't do things in may that cause me to be away from my phone/laptop

@cairdcoinheringaahing wow impressive

i only miss two days, but its only for 2022 lol

OldSandboxPosts

1:00 AM

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Haplology

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@cairdcoinheringaahing perhaps that lulled you into a false sense of security :P

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString Nah, I think the 25th I was working, and just never happened to open SE :P

No idea about the 14th, my memory isn't that good

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i don't have the slightest clue what i was doing at any point in may 2020 or 2021

caird coinheringaahing

Oh wait, never mind, yes it is: that was my last day of school, and me and some mates got drunk at the start of the day, makes sense why I wouldn't be browsing SE :P

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ah

1:12 AM

Don't drink, kids, or you might end up breaking your streak! :P

i saw this

vyxapedia.hyper-neutrino.xyz/beginners

is there any way i can make one?

Radvylf Programs

Make a what? A golfing language?

i am cgcc member for 13 month, and i have visited ccgc for 221 day, thats almost 2/3 of it!

@Niko nice!

@Niko meanwhile i am for one month but only active for four days

1:19 AM

yet i haven’t got enthusiast badge lol

@NumberBasher you are already more active then me currently

yah

currently

@NumberBasher 400 rep in 4 days, pretty impressive i gotta say

i haven’t post any answer or question for 1~2 month

@AidenChow 385, and that was because i got very active in posting questions even though it costed me many downvotes

because i started at 1 so the leading downvotes made no impact

I just claimed the informed badge, why did I forget that

@AidenChow plus, 100 rep is for getting past 200 rep

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1:35 AM

downvotes are also... not that big an effect on rep

considering it takes five to counteract one upvote

yeah

I said i won't be over 50 rep like yesterday I think in the chat

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lol

;-) i was quite correct

I sort of think CGSE should have more questions for beginners correct me if i'm wrong

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there's no real way to do that that i can think of

caird coinheringaahing

@NumberBasher Do you mean, questions that beginners can answer more easily than all the other questions?

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1:49 AM

especially easy challenges fill up fast with very good answers in all of the popular languages, so to get a head start as a beginner you either make an effort to fgitw on challenges while they're new or pick up an unpopular language

caird coinheringaahing

Because, we have lots of questions that are beginner programming questions (Hello, World, FizzBuzz, prime testing). It's just that you won't be the first person to answer.

@UnrelatedString ye tho i usually just go for unpopular lang (aka desmos), even if u try to fgitw u might still be beaten by someone who golfs better than u

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koths and c&rs don't really have that issue ofc, but i assume that's not what you're looking for :P

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

LOOONG TEEEXT Definition of long text Long text usually shows emphasis, for instance, loooooool or yaaaaaaaaaay. Usually the vowel is replicated many times. In this challenge we require: At least 3 times, which means yaaay and yaaaay are allowed, but yay and yaay are not. Consistent, which mean...

caird coinheringaahing

An xkcd quote I don't think is used enough:

(six hours later) ARGH. How are these stupid microchips so durable?! All I want is to undo a massive industrial process with household tools!

> All computers are just carefully organized sand. Everything is hard until someone makes it easy

That might well be the motto of all coding :P

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2:06 AM

i... am not sure i have ever seen that xkcd
which is weird because i thought i've caught up every week or so for the last like seven years and did a massive binge backwards the first time i discovered it

    (widget.getId().charAt(widget.getId().length() - 1) == 'a' ? from0a : from0b)++;

Copilot so badly wanted that to work

but alas, it doesn't

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lol

it'd be really cool if Java let you do that

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does java even have a concept of lvalue

beyond just "you can assign to variables"

my c++ is too rusty to say if it would let you do that either, mind you

probably

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2:12 AM

it does

@lyxal all i can find for java lvalues is something in some kind of "expression language" inside java ee, so yeah no

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no, windows, it is not mostly sunny

there is no sun outside

it's cloudy af

once again, real windows doing a better job at weather than digital windows

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wait how is the haplology challenge on hnq with only three non-deleted answers

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ every challenge here that doesn't get vtc'd goes to HNQ lol

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i'm pretty sure we have site-specific weights against that

2:34 AM

1k views + 24 votes probably equals HNQ

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oh views factoring in makes sense

it's certainly attracted attention lol

what's HNQ?

@NumberBasher hot network question

look here: stackexchange.com

where's a list of abbreviations?

I hope

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Q: Matrix Meets ASCII Art

A binary matrix represents a shape in the plane. 1 means a unit square at that position. 0 means nothing. The background is 0. For example, the array [[0,1,0],[0,0,1],[1,1,1]] represents the following shape: o----o |////| |////| o----o----o |////| |////| o-...

code-golf ascii-art geometry binary-matrix

will be an HNQ...

@NumberBasher i assume list of abbreviations specific to cgcc?

2:48 AM

but it's 8 votes away so i don't have much hope

if so, codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/12537/…

@AidenChow yep

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It already is

thnx!!!

@lyxal how can you look

codegolf.stackexchange.com/posts/247109/revisions

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2:49 AM

@UnrelatedString oh fuck i've gotten three more since

this is going to be a pain in the ass

yikes

My vscode corrupted, then crashed after I reinstalled it.

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i am sure as hell not upgrading to windows 11 so i guess at some point i'm going to need to get an external hard drive to back up to while downgrading to a normal windows 10 build

I once overwrote my vs code settings by turning on setting sync on a fresh install of vs code insiders build lol

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also worth mentioning the notices after the first did not cause any crashes; the crash was probably something to do with firefox having too many tabs open and discord was just along for the ride

@lyxal lmao rip

2:54 AM

When I reinstalled vscode it just copied everything, without me doing anything :P

maybe it was because I hadn't deleted the original yet.

i'm curious why 11 means mod abuse blablabla

> To delete something using moderator powers, e.g. "Yeah, the post is gone, Dennis 11'd it". mod abuse -> mod abuse!!! -> mod abuse !!11!1!! -> mod abuse !!eleven!1!! -> mod abuse eleven -> eleven

erm...

ok

quoted from the abbreviations answer i linked

because 1 = ! ?

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2:56 AM

try typing ! without shift

@NumberBasher er kinda... ppl usually type a combination of ! and 1's to indicate sarcasm

like this!!!11!1!!!1!

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the implication is you're mashing the !s extremely sloppily

does codegolf tweet every question?

@NumberBasher no, i think itll say in the revisions if ur post gets tweeted

@UnrelatedString I had to use a different theme to what I was used to for a while until I made my lyxical theme which is just shades of #beedab

2:58 AM

or all hnqs?

@AidenChow which get tweeted?

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nice

how does it actually look

Pitch black theme + menu items being highlighted in #beedab

which questions are usually tweeted?

@NumberBasher there is some kind of algorithm behind it, but idk exactly what that algorithm is

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Q: How does the twitter bot work?

I heard that there was a twitter bot which automatically posted questions and asked for answers for specific questions on every site. How do they work? Is there an algorithm for doing this or is it purely random? I know that it doesn't tweet closed questions, but that's it.

support twitter

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3:03 AM

that's actually pretty nice lmao

it is

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praise #beedab

it's basically a rip of another dark theme with accents of my favourite shade of green

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lol

And that dark theme was a rip of the standard dark theme but with most menu items black

3:04 AM

beedab is beautiful

beedab is the greenish colour on canvas

so some get tweeted and some don't? ok… i guess it was because of that tweet it became a hnq

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i feel like there are... very few people who watch the twitter

Definitely not

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i literally forgot it existed until you asked about it

granted i don't use twitter in the first place

but anyone who cares about cgcc just watches cgcc lmao

@NumberBasher im pretty sure hnq and tweeting have different algorithms in place

i think

3:07 AM

@AidenChow i mean it made it hnq b/c people went down that link?

@NumberBasher not sure about that, its hard to know

i bet i'm not getting past 400 rep today in hope of the fact that i always bet wrong

@AidenChow just a hypothesis that can;t be proofed

currently 381

let's TRY

Meanwhile, the rickroll economy is soaring

my friend just sent me a link

urlcc.cc/report

which, unsurprisingly...

now 391!!!

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Q: Is it a good chord?

Is it a good chord? Definition of a chord: We define a chord as three notes together. Definition of a note: We define a note as a number between 1 and 7, inclusive. As in music, we define 1 as do, 2 as re, 3 as fa, etc. However, the note names are not important. They will not be included in the q...

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Q: Bitwise XOR of floats

This is different from Floating Point XOR, and more in the spirit of a comment by R.. GitHub STOP HELPING ICE on that challenge, but I thought of this idea independently. Given two positive double-precision floating-point numbers, find their XOR as numbers. The answer must have a relative accurac...

binary floating-point

1 hour later…

4:28 AM

so on one of my desmos answers the output is from setting a variable value through an action. in the comments, @Steffan brought up an interesting point and basically said that i could remove the o=0 line (o is output) because I can add the variable anyways by clicking on "add slider" button. do u guys think this is valid, or is it a bit of a stretch to be able to take out bytes in this way ?

I think f(x)=[0...eeeln(eeeee)] or even ([0...eeeln(eeeee)],0) is valid...

@emanresuA doesnt really "print" it out tho, right

doesnt show the actual numbers in either of them

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You should probably ask someone more experienced than me

doesnt print imply that u can see the numbers appear on screen

@RadvylfPrograms still bakde potatto

not fix

many bad and crink

4:33 AM

ok bruh what is this: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/247195/96039

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can u literally just fit an entire program in the flag

(for the cloud platforms question lol)

@RadvylfPrograms @Ginger @emanresuA any plans for reviving the nineteenth processor?

da hell is that

4:34 AM

@AidenChow the beauty of Vyxal (TM)

@AidenChow WHAT!!!???

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gorgeous

@lyxal *the beauty of Vyxal jHRM

@AidenChow redstone mc computer made by tnb members which died within 3 days...

@UnrelatedString (tm)

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@AidenChow i think there are some praclangs where you can fit everything into a flag but vyxal's large assortment of flags mostly just do pre/postprocessing and affect some implicit behaviors within a program

4:37 AM

what is week rank?

stackexchange.com/leagues/200/week/codegolf/2022-05-08/…

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so here we've got a post-processing flag invoking two rule-bender flags on an input supplied by a pre-processing flag

@NumberBasher leaderboard of highest rep change during the week

i'm not a fan of the behaviour changing flags, the input/output manipulation isn't so bad

I think flags count towards the byte count?

they don't

4:40 AM

i.e. three of those flags would be cheating by my subjective opinion

@NumberBasher rather it counts as different lang, doesnt affect byte count

so vyxal without flag is considered different language than vyxal with certain flags

@JoKing pretty sure the flag debate got over..

It's over, but:

BCMC: Binary to unary

that's why i said "subjective"

@AidenChow but like why not contain every flag for every possible program

4:42 AM

@NumberBasher becuz they might change the language in undesirable ways

wdym

@NumberBasher define every possible program

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@NumberBasher like this?

@NumberBasher i cant really speak for golfing langs becuz i dont use them, but what im thinking is that certain flags could potentially result in longer programs becuz of how they affect the behaviors of the language under that flag

@AidenChow i dont use them either most of the time

4:44 AM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

oh i misinterpreted ur question

i thought u meant just adding all flags every time

@UnrelatedString yah

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the standard loopholes are basically the community's collective list of "things that aren't funny anymore" ;)

12 mins ago, by PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms @Ginger @emanresuA any plans for reviving the nineteenth processor?

4:50 AM

The problem with these types of flags is that they aren't programming in Vyxal -jHRM or whatever, they're programming in vyxal and just moving instructions from the actual code to the flags

:| offline for maintenance

... or not

@AidenChow will there be an actual answer in vyxal for that question?

just used the git command line to push a commit for the first time to github and it feels powerful

@JoKing idk, i dont use vyxal lol

@JoKing maybe. who knows. certainly not me

4:58 AM

lmaoo

i find it interesting that my print 0-100 answer has 3 upvotes but the palindrome answer i actually put more effort in only has 1

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the latter looks funnier :P

@UnrelatedString LOL trueee

couldnt find a better way than just putting a bunch of e's :P

@UnrelatedString *former

5:22 AM

nice

but what's it?

> apply newton's method

newton's method. what's it?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_method

bruh wiki link broken

lets hope india starts making semiconductors so i can buy a bunch of DIP ICs :P

CMP: Thoughts on quantum computing?

@PyGamer0 the converge operator would be useful there

5:30 AM

@JoKing what is that?

f/ converge  {1+1.0%x}/1 -> 1.618033988749895

so you could do {x-f[x]%d[f;x]}/ 0

yeah..

5:44 AM

Is this K or Ruby?

@emanresuA it says K (ngn/k) in the link so probably K

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@RadvylfPrograms ^ is not a bug, it's a feature, right?

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6:12 AM

@lyxal oops

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Thank you DDG for epicly displaying my bookmarks like that

... 15kbps

i was thinking about a challenge

solving a rubic cube

@emanresuA It's mobile data what do you expect

*rubik

is it too hard

6:18 AM

Been done

let me check for dupes

?

sounds like smth that would prob be a dupe

i am thinking about

must 20- moves?

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Q: Solve a Rubik's Cube

Your challenge is to write a program to solve a 3x3x3 Rubik's Cube. This challenge is based on this one from 2013, rewritten to adhere to current community standards, and reposted with the original author's permission and help on meta. Input The input should represent an unsolved Rubik's Cube. ...

code-golf geometry puzzle-solver rubiks-cube restricted-time

20- moves?

6:22 AM

@NumberBasher not different enough to warrant a separate challenge imo

but maybe

but 20- is a big restrict

bye for now

It'll still get closed as dupe

@emanresuA obviously k..

^^ thats what im thinking too

unless its super clear its different

Nope

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6:28 AM

i think more to the point there's not too much sense in making a harder version of a challenge that still has no nontrivial answers

And asking people to optimally implement an optimal alg is like asking people to do RSA encrytion

wait isnt 3x3 gods number exactly 20 moves

CMC: Convert input string to base64

@AidenChow yeah

no one has found the devil's algorithm yet...

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i have no idea what gods number is but 20 moves (or 20 quarter-turns specifically?) seems to be the largest that can be necessary to solve

@UnrelatedString ye gods number basically means that

cube20.org

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6:32 AM

i suppose equivalently it's the number of quarter turns that can take a solved cube to any configuration

oh, 20 moves, 26 quarter turns

makes sense

@PyGamer0 Vyxal, 56 bytes: @encode:1|vCbƛ8↳ð0V;ṅ6ẇ÷6↲ð0VW`00`$+vBkAka+kd+\++\/+$İṅ;

corresponding decode: @decode:1|ƛkAka+kd+\++\/+nḟ;bƛ8↳ð0V2ȯ;ṅ8ẇ÷:Lß_WvBCṅ;

@PyGamer0 Javascript, 4 bytes: btoa

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@PyGamer0 does it have to handle utf-8 properly or is the input just ascii

does anyone have any tutorials / guides on how to make a koth?

@NumberBasher i found this: medium.com/code-golf/…

6:48 AM

I was thinking of blackjack

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Q: Simple One Game Blackjack

This is a very stripped down version of A BlackJack KOTH contest... This is the goal: Upon the execution: There are two inputs, "H" to hit (have the code deal a card), "S" to stand (Stop getting cards, and let dealer try to win). Coding Rules: There is no betting or splitting of hands, for s...

i think one exists already: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2698/…

What sort of link is gs://scenic-bucket/ul2/ul220b/checkpoint_1870000 ?

Wait no nvm, codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2698/…

As in what is gs?

6:50 AM

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Q: What does gs protocol mean?

I'm playing with Google Speech Recognition API After a successfully Getting started I'm trying to understand and made some changes in this first example but I don't know what "gs" protocol is and how to set it to use my own audio file. sync-request.json { "config": { "encoding":"FLAC",...

json uri speech-recognition google-cloud-platform

u should probably search these questions urself instead of asking here

Yah I was sure there'd be a dupe...

yeah, u can look for dupes urself with a good search

Thanks! How on Earth did you search for it? I guess I didn’t try “gs protocol”

@graffe i typed in "what is gs://" at which point google suggested "what is gs protocol"

so i searched that instead

A bot to solve math problems stated in natural language? Scored on how near the answer is, perhaps a formulae

6:52 AM

Cool

@AidenChow thanks

@AidenChow what is gs doesn’t work

I am never sure if Google understands colons and slashes

@NumberBasher i have no idea what that means but based on ur description it doesnt exactly seem to fit what a koth is about

in a koth, submissions are supposed to interact with each other in some way

this just seems to be comparing to a set of test cases

in which case test-battery might be more fitting

or maybe just code-challenge

@graffe i typed in "what is gs://" into the search bar but did not press enter. the first suggested search what "what is gs // protocol"

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^ like this

from there it was simply the first search result

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