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10:06 PM
Ugh my sister just got away with scamming $60 from my parents right in front of their eyes >:|
She got two gift cards for her birthday: one was $40, and one was $100. She swapped the labels. Then, when she wanted to buy something that was $100, the $40 obviously didn't work, so she gave it to my parents (disguised as the $100 one) and they paid for it with their credit cards. Now she has a $100 card labeled as $40.
 
>:|
 
@RedwolfPrograms Younger sister?
 
That seems like a younger sister thing to do :P
 
14 mins ago, by A username
@RedwolfPrograms 2 more I missed
@RedwolfPrograms For you
Golf
 
10:09 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing You have NO idea
 
I have a younger sister - yes I do :P
 
I could write a leaflet on why younger sisters are the spawn of Satan himself, but I'm too lazy to do that
 
@Ausername Done
 
@StackMeter But that means Redwolf is too...
 
With MathJax
 
10:11 PM
@Ausername No, I have a younger sister, not I am a younger sister
 
@RedwolfPrograms that is good
 
@RedwolfPrograms Yeah, you both have the same father...
 
@RedwolfPrograms It is possible for both to be true
 
@Ausername ? Redwolf is the spawn of Satan himself, but that doesn't imply that they (he?) are a younger sister
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@cairdcoinheringaahing that is true
 
10:13 PM
I am neither younger nor a sister :p
 
@RedwolfPrograms same
 
@user True
This is confusing me...
 
My younger sister seems to have a personal vendetta against me; it's like I'm a rival mafia boss
 
I've unintentionally leaked pretty much everything about me in chat if you look hard enough :p
Age, date of birth, full legal name, location to within 20m, and so on
 
Imagine having annoying siblings. This post made by dumped your parent's baby in a river only child gang
 
10:14 PM
@user lol
 
@RedwolfPrograms Swap identities with caird, then
 
I'll teach you how to golf Jelly, then you should be good to take over for me :P
 
@RedwolfPrograms Ryan Tosh, who lives in Texas...
 
@RedwolfPrograms Pretty sure Texas is larger than 20m :P
 
@Ausername Might want to delete that
 
10:15 PM
You can also probably find my middle name, date of birth, and closest major city
@user Nah, it's fine
All of that's on my GH anyway
 
@RedwolfPrograms Your middle name is Matthew IIRC :P
 
UK now allows limited home visits. Anyone wants to come over?
 
I remember you getting everyone to try to guess that...
 
@Adám I'm already there
 
@Adám Do you have chocolate cake?
 
10:16 PM
@Adám No thanks, I'm fine sharing a bubble with Lyxal.
 
@Adám I would, but its my bedtime in an hour or so. Maybe tomorrow for a cuppa? :P
 
@user As a matter of fact, yes. I just helped my 7yo bake chocolate cake this afternoon. Coincidence?
 
Chocolate cake is never a coincidence
 
@Adám hmm slightly far from scotland... oh well
 
@StackMeter At my home or in the UK?
 
10:17 PM
@Adám And the 7yo hasn't already demolished it? :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing He baked two. One is gone.
 
Better get there quick, then :P
 
I think I'm only 2 hours ish drive from Adam tbh
Then again, most of England is within 2 hours drive of me :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm in NE London (N15).
 
I don't live remotely close to anyone I know here, as far as I'm aware :P
 
10:19 PM
I feel like we all would be very disappointed if everyone on CGCC met in person
@hyper-neutrino Good.
(/s)
 
TX is rougly 2.8 times larger than the UK lol
Bet y'all regret taxing our tea now, huh? :p
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Sure, what time?
 
@Adám 7 hour drive from me... be there at half 6 am!
 
I'm not very good at swimming, so I can't make it :/
 
ontario is 35.6% larger than texas (comparing land only) :P
that's also roughly the ratio between the population of canada as a whole and just texas :p
 
10:21 PM
@user (@ROs, may I request this message to be unstarred?) (Thanks)
 
@Adám If this is genuine, I appreciate the offer but I'm busy tomorrow. I'm moving down south once I start uni, maybe we could sort something out then? :)
 
@Adám the latter
 
If it's not genuine, then 4am is a good time for tea :P
 
@Adám I'm in Manchester, in the M19
 
10:22 PM
don't take this the wrong way but I would never go to anyone here's house because I feel like I would end up chopped up in their freezer
 
^ (not that scared of being chopped up, but still)
 
Thing is, I know that Adam's had multiple members of CGCC over to his before, I trust him slightly more than a random stranger :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm genuine. You'd not be the first I met on the site to come visit. When abouts would you be moving? Asking because I'm considering moving to Denmark in the late summer.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah, but have any of them ever been seen again?!
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Well, I've seen Leaky Nun on Math.SE recently
I think a formal IRL get-together is... a bad idea. (At least, it sounds like a cool idea at first but the more thought I put into it <=> the less it seems like a good idea)
 
10:23 PM
@hyper-neutrino How do you know it wasn't someone impersonating them? Leaky Nun hasn't been back on CGCC
 
hmmm. good point
 
@Adám Uni starts in October, so probably September. I have family down in London tho, so if/when I go visit them I might pop round :)
 
@hyper-neutrino Seems like a cool idea to me, but I could see a few downsides.
Not that many, though.
 
in all seriousness I would probably meet someone maybe but I'd be quite sceptical
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing That'd be nice.
 
10:25 PM
@hyper-neutrino I wouldn't mind meeting people near me, especially in a "grab a coffee" kind of thing. A conference style get together would be a bit much
 
@rak1507 Sounds good, can I have your credit card number to verify it's really you? ;)
 
I'd attend a weekend IRL golfathon.
 
@user 0123 4567 8901 2345
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Being golfers, everyone would likely just meet as quickly as they could and then leave after a minute :P
 
@Adám I wouldn't say no, but I'd have to think about it if such a thing got organised
 
10:26 PM
@rak1507 Thanks, can I have your security code too?
 
420
 
@Adám I'll drop you an email if I get the opportunity :)
 
We're all so spread out I doubt very many people would be able to make it
 
Yeah, that's the main issue
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing well when I say formal I meant like properly organized rather than just one person going to another person's house; idk what we'd even formally have a conference-like thing for :P
yeah, that too. someone would need to book a flight and that's a bit much to meet some random internet nerds :P
 
10:26 PM
We could make an International Golfing Association
 
We need to dave the world from ungolfed code.
* save
 
I've run two IRL code golf workshops.
 
@RedwolfPrograms I was thinking we could become an organization of supervillains golfers that make all code unreadable and collapse economies, with the world needing saving from us
 
yeah well APL and Dyalog just exist in another plane of existence to us, where the rules of physics don't hold and everyone codes in funny squiggles
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TBH the biggest stopping point for me would be actually getting people ranging from South Korea + Australia and the US to actually agree to meet at one place, without having to "pressure" them into spending money. If there was a way to easily meet up as like a group, I'd be all for that
 
10:28 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing There's an OK eat-in bakery I sometimes eat at, not far from my home.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing We could meet virtually instead, maybe in a...chatroom?
 
@user Preposterous.
 
@user With a golf-based pun name?
 
@user sounds crap
 
I know, totally radical idea, but we might be able to make it work
 
10:29 PM
Why would one want to chat with random strangers about shorting code‽
 
@user I'm not convinced
 
> shorting code
 
We could do some sort of zoom like thing, that's somewhat similar but nobody gets butchered and frozen (or has to fly).
 
@user Shortened version of "shortening"
 
@RedwolfPrograms that's what you think
 
10:30 PM
I've never really been a fan of Zoom style stuff (been lucky job-wise this pandemic) tbh
 
@RedwolfPrograms the latest zoom update includes a butchering mode so you're out of luck I'm afraid
 
@Adám :P That gave me a mental image of a screen catching on fire
@cairdcoinheringaahing Better than Webex
@rak1507 This is why you join from your browser :P
 
@rak1507 Is Jelly on that plane or this?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing jelly is in the void in between
 
who/what tore open the rift between the two planes in the first place
 
10:32 PM
Dennis
 
sounds about right :p
 
In an effort to spread the gospel of golf :P
 
also yeah zoom is bleh. fortunately my company doesn't require us to turn on webcams - actually, nobody does, and for my interview there wasn't even the option to, so it's just a voice call basically
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Gospelf?
 
Zoom's UI is so awful
 
10:33 PM
but voice calling is not hugely different from text chatting. so then the point in it is rather insignificant :p though i haven wondered what other people sound like
 
Even if everyone met IRL, what would they even do? It'd basically be TNB, but with ugly human faces instead of neat square pfps and everyone talking at once instead of messages sent linearly. Plus, you can't edit or nuke messages irl
 
I sound like a typical american :p
 
I'm too awkward to turn on my webcam or even my microphone most of the time
 
@RedwolfPrograms agreed. i teach some random stuff in my spare time sometimes and i'm forced to use it and i hate it so much
 
@hyper-neutrino Sure it is. You can text chat in parallel.
 
10:34 PM
@user i can
 
I'm doing a <thing> soon where everyone has to turn on their webcams and microphones apparently, mildly dreading it
 
@RedwolfPrograms tbf a typical American's kinda hard to define - America's kinda big
 
@Adám oh yeah, that's true. you can't really have multiple conversations in voice. so i guess it's worse :P
 
@user Interact with each other as people?
 
@hyper-neutrino I feel afraid now
 
10:35 PM
@user no need to be, you haven't done anything wrong. yet :)
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing sounds hard, no thanks, I like to golf my social interactions
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing We can do that here. Interacting in person scares me
 
I am a pretty extroverted person tho tbh :P
 
@hyper-neutrino is that a threat
 
^^^^
 
10:35 PM
voice call is only really helpful when you can't type. so basically i only really voice call when playing video games.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I can't close my mouth much of the time IRL
 
I'm a very weird mix of introvert and extrovert
 
@StackMeter it is intended as a joke, which i would like to make clear if it weren't
 
@hyper-neutrino *laughs in minecraft*
 
10:36 PM
@RedwolfPrograms So you're an ambivert/normal person
 
@hyper-neutrino IK
 
@RedwolfPrograms same which is why i waste so much time here talking to people yet hate talking to people. probably has something to do with texting not being tiring for me compared to real interaction :p
 
I was just extending the joke
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing right but typing while PVPing is not great
like i can use text chat for other games too but like
 
@RedwolfPrograms I'm a very extroverted person, but I'm typically fine spending hours in front of a computer talking here :P
 
10:36 PM
stopping to type is a pretty bad idea when you're in the middle of a fight :p
 
Only if you want to win the fight
 
I'm mostly just introverted but I partly wonder if that's just because I've not really had much opportunity to be anything else
 
I'm so bad at PVP that my strategy is to run and hide :P
 
The nice thing about text chat is that you don't have to reply to people if they say anything. You can sit back and let others talk (although I forgot I can do that and usually never shut up here :/)
 
With text you can look at what you're saying, but with actual speaking I feel like a markov chain and have to hope what I'm saying actually makes sense because I can't just undo and retype it
 
10:37 PM
^
@user and even if you have to reply, you have time to stop and think about it
 
I think I'm very different to a lot of y'all :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing you seem very different to me that's for sure
 
i have no trouble holding a conversation, don't get me wrong, and i don't even hate it in many cases but it's exhausting even if i don't mind it at the time
 
Also, the fact that I happen to look like a robot would be hard to explain to y'all
 
The trick is to have the unbridled confidence that whatever you're saying is correct. That's why I'm President of the Universe
 
10:38 PM
like i can talk to someone fine and then afterwards / if it starts dragging on too long i just get tired of it even if it's over voice with no video
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing My strategy is to run forward, kill an enemy, and repeat until I'm low
 
The main part about conversation is what to do with my eyes
I never have any clue where to look
 
Look at their eyes/mouth
 
I can't make eye contact to save my life lol
 
The main part about conversation is what to do with my eyes
 
10:39 PM
I just look at some random thing
mainly the face
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't really blink though
It just looks like I'm staring
 
until someone tells me to stop
 
@rak1507 ikr? If I look at their eyes, it gets awkward and my eyes hurt, and if I look elsewhere, people think I'm not paying attention
 
it's either at the floor or the face
 
apparently looking at someone's nose is not really distinguishable (to them) from eye contact so you can avoid direct eye contact without making it look like you're avoiding direct eye contact
 
10:39 PM
maybe the chest
 
@StackMeter I don't recommend staring at people's chests :P
 
That gets bad for ~50% of the population
 
@StackMeter That's only viable for 50% of the population
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing the best way to win a PVP fight is really simple; it's just a two step guide: step 1: kill the enemy, step 2: don't die
 
@user yes
 
10:40 PM
(this is an actual tip in the league of legends loading screen BTW, or something similar, IIRC)
 
for the other 50% I look at their feet
@hyper-neutrino Just press buttons
 
That can also come across as weird tbh :P
 
like this
efancfxlscjxmeozsemlaxrgrjzvzlsrafjnv\efsjznmd,c xmzrsexfjzv wesvdzc\v9;mq3urwg\v[q3uw zrb oq\siaz;egujv,bejpazfo;fjkv\13pi[qczq;,\sxm
 
I can communicate 80% better when walking side by side or sitting/standing at a 45° angle than face to face
 
@StackMeter idk about y'all, but people looking at any part of me feels very weird
 
10:41 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing beat me to it :p
 
@RedwolfPrograms yh
 
gtg for dinner o/ see y'all probably after the maintenance tbh
 
then, looking forward isn't percived as rude
 
@user I prefer for people to just exist in a vapour form around me
 
10:41 PM
o/
@cairdcoinheringaahing Me too! (personally, I prefer vapor forms to vapour forms, because they're more patriotic)
 
I usually pretend to be looking at my laptop screen while talking, when possible
But that can come across as rude too
 
I wish my eyes turned people to stone or smth. Then I'd have an excuse to avoid eye contact
Wait, I take that back
 
> I'm so embarrassed, I wish everyone else was dead
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- Bender B. Rodriguez
 
@user mirror would like to: know your location
 
@StackMeter Joke's on you, I'm a vampire :P
@cairdcoinheringaahing There's an xkcd, C&H, or SMBC about this, but I can't find it :/
 
It seems like I make embarassing mistakes around other people a lot more often than other people make embarassing mistakes around me. That would be some sort of paradox, but it's actually just that I'm very bad at socializing :p
 
Heck yeah just got accepted into the open Ai private beta. Time to try and make autogenerated tnb
 
Nice!
You missed quite a bit btw, but it was mostly off-topic chatter
 
Probably not even worth reading the transcripts
 
10:51 PM
(102) The Nineteenth Byte
When I return
The war was fun.
 

War on the heathens!

3 hours ago, 33 minutes total – 235 messages, 12 users, 18 stars

Bookmarked 11 secs ago by user

@cairdcoinheringaahing The war was what I was talking about
 
I was the top participant :p
 
It'd be fun to generate Markov-chain TNB chatter.
 
I was going to yesterday
 
@Adám It likely wouldn't make much sense with all the different people and conversations here
 
10:53 PM
yesterday, by Redwolf Programs
Also I'm going to try to train a markov chain on (some of) TNB, be back in a little while :p
Downloading all of TNB is probably not going to be easy though
 
@user We might see some really odd CMCs and some puzzling answers.
 
Maybe just the past year or so?
 
Even then it'll be tough, not sure if there's any sort of API (even an internal one) that can do that
Or if I'll just have to scrape transcripts for a few hours
 
@Adám CM∊_⍵ :P ⍳∘∧ bytes ಠ_ಠ CGCC
(the APL symbols are supposed to represent random glyphs chosen from various esolangs)
 
Just hit 50% of the required score for silver code golf!
 
10:55 PM
Congratulations!
 
@RedwolfPrograms who needs markov chains when you have GPT3?
 
@RedwolfPrograms You could set up a "listener" bot that just sits in the background and logs all new messages for a few weeks
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Good idea. I basically have that anyway :p
 
Are tag badges only for answers, not questions?
 
10:56 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Srsly?
 
I don't answer that much
 
Any only on tags with 100 or more questions. Otherwise, I'd have a bronze [sandbox] tag badge on meta
 
Time to make 50 sandboxes, then :)
 
I'm 9 answers, 36 upvotes and 8 newly tagged questions away from [status-completed] bronze badge :P
 
I'm 79 score away from bronze code-golf
 
11:08 PM
I'm 25 away from bronze string.
 
Just stumbled across (and upvoted) lyxal's hundredth answer :p
 
@hyper-neutrino canvas
@RedwolfPrograms I can remember who made the language of that answer, but not the name of the actual language. I do know it's something to do with hex/pseudo-assembly or so
@lyxal that moment when you can't access anything because you haven't received the verify account email yet
 
How'd you get access to GPT3? Can you just...apply?
 
@RedwolfPrograms I joined the waiting list
And got accepted today
(read: I've waited a month or two)
It probably helped that I used my uni email, but perhaps that's just the standard waiting time
Yeah, I joined the queue at the end of April
 
11:23 PM
Can you use it on TNB's transcript?
 
@RedwolfPrograms waitlist form here
@user that's what I plan to do once they let me verify my account
Methinks I might have to email their support and ask for manual verification
 
You need to be over 18 to sign up :(
 
Lol
Laughs in being a legal adult
 
laughs in not being a boomer
 
11:25 PM
@lyxal Since your age is paused currently, I can just catch up to you in a year
 
@RedwolfPrograms speaking of which, I should probably get started on trying to re-start TNBDE if i ever want to get it going :p
 
@user Can you not change your age with the little slider thing on your back?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh hey, I never noticed that, that's pretty ni-goo goo ga ga
 
Ah crap, user's a baby :/
 
*sigh* redwolf, you around to reset user? another hivemind unit's settings have been messed up
 
11:28 PM
Just rm -rf /, then redownload user's data from Facebook
 
afsdliouhi7ew (ノ°Д°)ノ︵ ┻━┻
 
Much easier than trying to use git to revert them
 
spam ctrl-Z
 
ssh -p 61662 user@localhost < reboot_script
That should do it
 
localhost?
 
11:30 PM
is ssh -p x y equivalent to ssh y:x or smth
 
Of course, that's running from within the hivemind
 
Oh nice, I'm back
Why is all my hair gone, though? And why do I have a sudden urge to turn the news on and yell at the TV?
 
@hyper-neutrino It's the port, yeah
 
These could all do with closing:
 
@user Check the transcript for the first, the second seems like a pretty normal thing
 
I'm gonna end the day two votes short of repcapping aren't I :|
 
Yeah, I think that's covered by the design is live post
 
@user no, you're not back
You're user
Looks like the reset didn't work after all
 
@lyxal Sorry, my memory's still a bit fuzzy right now
 
11:36 PM
CMQ: What is your main:meta close votes ratio?
 
Waaaaaaaaaaah!
 
604:76 here
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing 228:41 (5.56x)
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Thanks to the 4 just now, 23:9
 
@RedwolfPrograms Looks like I'll be 3 votes away as well :/
 
11:38 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Post another answer maybe
 
Won't do much good, posted two of them earlier (which took about a half hour) and got a grand total of 2 votes from them :p
 
Well, I've already upvoted both so I'm not help :/
Because you only have 2 things that I can upvote, obviously :P
 
CMT: How to lowercase/uppercase a letter with bitwise operations? I think it was something like x&97, but that isn't working :/
 
@user ^32
 
11:41 PM
Ooh, thanks
 
Forgot an x :P
 
well ^32 to toggle, |32 to lowercase, &-33 to uppercase
 
| always lowercases, &223 always uppercases
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing You forgot a "much" there
 
or you could do &223; same thing really because the range is quite limited so the mask not extending past 8 bits is meh :p
 
11:43 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Oh, that's a nice rep cap. Going from a nice round hundred to another nice round hundred :P
 
Yep :p
I've got four votes left, I'll give them to anyone who promises to mail me a cookie
 
do you accept slightly stale waffles?
we have a couple left over since we lowered tim's salary
 
I will only accept cookies, and not the information kind. :p
 
The very first post on SO (that hasn't been deleted)
 
@RedwolfPrograms Expect your delivery in 4 to 6 millenia.
Votes pls?
 
11:47 PM
This question is pretty terrible (no test cases, not self contained), yet still has 40 upvotes
 
> if possible
 
I informally vote to close that since "case should be preserved if possible" is not observable.
 
@user Given that it's id is 4 and that it's a classic coding problem, the fact that it only has 40 upvotes is indicative of its quality
 
OP is not active anymore (on CGCC)
 
11:48 PM
The quine challenge and fibonacci both have 100+ and have similar ids
 
it could probably be edited up to standard TBH, but idk if it's better to close and repost? it's not too hard to guess what OP probably meant but the question itself is bad cuz guessing shouldn't be needed
 
It shouldn't be hard to edit it
 
our first question ever only has a score of 23 and it's a popcon lmao
 
I thought my rep hadn't changed since yesterday, then I realised I went from 5780 to 5870
 
and our third question ever was deleted for plagiarism
 
11:50 PM
@Ausername Nice! Wanna donate some of that to me?
@hyper-neutrino Not surprising ig
 
> This post is hidden. It was deleted 10 years ago by Robert Cartaino.
 
This person missed being the thousandth post on CGCC by 24 minutes :p
 
Damn, by Robert?
 
@user Sure, here's .001 rep.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Was that one of the first users?
 
11:50 PM
You know a post was bad when it was deleted by any of Jarrod, Robert, Shog or Jeff
@user Yes, of SO
 
Oh wow
 
Got fired (no joke, fired) by SE last year along with Shog
 
oh apparently we do have a basic 5-smooth numbers challenge except it offers no explanation, test cases, and doesn't offer standard sequence format (granted it's over 10 years old back when we didn't have such standards)
 
Can someone else vote to close as needing details?
 
11:52 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing The ROT13 one
 
Apparently I DVed the 5-smooth ones a long time ago lol
 
@user No - it shouldn't be closed
 
or just edit in a basic test case
everyone knows what rot13 is lol
 
it's not very hard to fix lol
 
It's very easily edited to be on topic, that should be the first port of call, then closing
 
11:53 PM
Um...you never saw a close vote silently retracts vote
 
i'd say it's worth fixing over closing because then we either lose a very basic/fundamental/standard coding problem or have to think about how to repost
can normal users see VTC/VTROs in post timelines?
 
Not unless they were fulfilled
 
Not sure if you were aware, but this was the 69,420th post on CGCC! — Redwolf Programs May 15 at 22:50
 
11:57 PM
"I had no idea the number 69420 had any special significance" someone's not been on the internet before :P
 
anyway, all we really need to think about to fix this challenge is what to do with case
if all existing answers maintain case, we can just enforce that
 
I'm calling mod abuse Zbq nohfr!1!!1 from now on :P
 
otherwise, just say you can do whatever with case i guess
i gotta go for now; if it's not fixed by the time i'm back i'll take a look at it
have fun with maintenance (which i totally haven't mentioned thrice already) :p
 

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