The Nineteenth Byte

user

00:00

May I remove "Any language that can read and write standard streams is fair game."?

caird coinheringaahing

@user I think its fine to remove

user

Great, because I did it anyway :P

This is probably my first major-ish edit on someone's else post on CGCC

Redwolf Programs

Oh, it's past UTC midnight

A username

Or me midday.

Remind me to have lunch

caird coinheringaahing

And 8 minutes into the maintenance that hasn't put the site into read-only :P

user

00:10

Huh, wonder why that hasn't happened yet

A username

Oh I forgot about that

Maybe its SO only

caird coinheringaahing

> Planned service interruption that will impact all Stack Exchange sites, Jobs, and Chat

> All sites may be read-only for up to 15 minutes on Friday June 4, 2021 at 12:00am UTC

I baited it, didn't I? :P

A username

Hmn...

Maybe it was yesterday?

Wait no nvm

caird coinheringaahing

No, it's currently happening :P

And it's back, time to get back to golfing :P

Bubbler

00:38

Wat, it's under maintenance again

and it's back

and it's repeatedly going on and off

time for coffee I guess

A username

Not CoffeeScript, that is terrible

caird coinheringaahing

And it's back, 45 minutes after it was supposed to go off :P

Neil

@pxeger I remember when that used to work. You could put it into a bookmarklet, which was more convenient than Greasemonkey.

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Q: Solve the halting problem for S combinatory logic

Background Combinatory logic is a system where a term is written using a finite set of combinators and function application between terms, and reduction rules are defined for each combinator. The well-known S and K combinators have the following reduction rules: $$ \begin{aligned} S\;x\;y\;z & \o...

caird coinheringaahing

Shog's take on the recent acquisition - worth a read

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hyper-neutrino

00:54

@NewPosts @StackMeter I was wrong; you can have non-halting expressions using only S

I figured there was one I just couldn't think of how. Just a bunch of S in a row without brackets won't work though, I think

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: for (a.length of a) [code-golf] [array-manipulation] [javascript], Backromymiser [code-golf] [string] [subsequence]

Bubbler

More interesting stuff in this recent article about combinators (I think it's from the creator of the Wolfram Language himself?)

Also, any feedback?

Also CMM: do we need a separate tag for combinatory logic?

caird coinheringaahing

How many questions do we have about it?

Bubbler

01:11

First four of these plus these four plus...

Aww, offline again

hyper-neutrino

lol tf is going on

Bubbler

"Hey, this is broken!" "Hey, that is broken too!"

A username

Very sus

I mean, chat hasn't been mantained for years, so hopefully this stays online :P

Bubbler

And we can't read that article by Shog as a side effect :P

A username

api.stackexchange.com is still online, but stackapps is offfline so I have no idea.

And we're back!

Bubbler

01:29

Also this qualifies I think

So we have nine challenges related to combinatory logic

caird coinheringaahing

Might be worth just running it through meta to catch any potential complaints

But 9 challenges won't flood main if done say 3 per 6ish hours, so adding it should be fine

lyxal

CMQ: Would people be interested in a texas hold'em KoTH if it used a Crown Deck (9, 10, J, Q, K and A only)?

Bubbler

I don't think pure poker is very interesting as a KotH in general

lyxal

what if it was "all-in or fold after the flop"?

Bubbler

That's way too luck based

caird coinheringaahing

01:39

90% of poker is trying to read your opponents, which koths can't have

Blackjack might work, but it's pretty luck based

hyper-neutrino

yeah poker isn't exactly a pure logic game, lol. unless everyone is perfectly emotionless and it's just stats bashing, which probably isn't that interesting either because a human calculating stuff perfectly is impressive, a computer, not as much

A username

@lyxal Can we have a ASCII mirror for Vyxal, which palindromes then switches `<>()[]{}/\` around?

caird coinheringaahing

I'm surprisingly decent at hold'em given that I can never remember the order of hands :P

A username

So, Royal Flush is the worst...

And three-of-a-kind is the best.

caird coinheringaahing

Pretty sure a pair is the best

Maybe junk, my memory ain't great

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Q: Can we have a separate tag for combinatory logic?

Background information: Combinatory logic on Wikipedia Basically it is a model of computation closely related to lambda calculus, but using a fixed set of combinators instead of lambda abstraction. The most prominent form of this is SKI (or SK) combinator calculus, which is extensionally equivale...

discussion tags

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing Nah, top 7 is the best

user

Wrote a comment to a sandboxed post but the maintenance thing started just as I was going to post it >(

A username

02:01

Note to self: golf this

Redwolf Programs

I spent like twenty minutes cleaning up one of my old sandbox posts. it felt a bit familiar, so I looked around, and realized I'd posted it (with some modifications) already :|

A username

:P

hyper-neutrino

lol, nice :D

A username

:E

:G

That one looks weird...

Redwolf Programs

I should get back to work on my Generic Leaderboard Tool

CMM: Can we clean up the sandbox post itself a little bit? It appears quite disorganized at first, and I think it could be organized a bit better.

hyper-neutrino

02:12

one thing to note about that

cleaning up your own sandbox posts can trigger flags

e.g. @RedwolfPrograms you just triggered a vandalism flag for deleting four answers in quick succession :P

Redwolf Programs

Oops :p

hyper-neutrino

if we do decide to do some cleanup i'll gladly sit here and discard community flags

a clean-up wouldn't be a bad idea though. we can get rid of answers that have already been posted

there are a lot of proposals that are unlikely to ever be addressed, for example if the owner is gone or hasn't been active in like 3 years

Redwolf Programs

One thing I think could use some work is the body of the post

A username

I'll do mine then.
And all the ones that were dupes.

Redwolf Programs

It's a weird jumbled mix of headings and text, filled with links

A username

02:14

Leave the abandoned ones right?

hyper-neutrino

also, unlike cleaning up multiple questions, feel free to clean up the sandbox however you want

you're only bumping one post anyway, and the sandbox is fine to stay at the top from bumps

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Simplify K combinatory logic expression code-golf functional-programming lambda-calculus string Background Combinatory logic is a system where a term is written using a finite set of combinators and function application between terms, and reduction rules are defined for each combinator. The well-...

hyper-neutrino

seems a lot less painful than the S challenge. i am trying to think of how i want to implement this :p

Redwolf Programs

Opinions on changing the actual sandbox question? I've been working on a draft that's a bit easier to read.

A username

You have already deleted 5 of your own posts today; further deletes are blocked. See "I've thought better of my question; can I delete it?" for alternatives.

Hyper can you override this?

caird coinheringaahing

02:17

Just wait a few hours, it'll go away

hyper-neutrino

I don't believe I can

A username

Ok...

Wait how long does 'further deletes are blocked' mean?

hyper-neutrino

the only "override" would be for me to nuke them for you but I won't because a) I don't want everyone spamming me with deletion requests and b) you cannot undelete things that I've nuked

caird coinheringaahing

@Ausername I believe it's until the next UTC day

A username

Ok. That's fine, I can wait a bit.

Bubbler

02:18

I figured some things can catch more interest if I frame them as string, so I'm experimenting with it (which means the I/O is more restrictive than my usual style, but clearer I guess)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Give it an edit, I'll happily rollback/edit if it's not good ;P

A username

I somehow got another Enthusiast, except I didn't.

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Maybe I should sandbox it :p

caird coinheringaahing

@Ausername You got it on meta

codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/help/badges/22/…

A username

Oh. That explains it.

Redwolf Programs

02:24

> If you want to find someone with a fast computer and no empathy, you of course go to reddit

That was in a Tom Scott video :p

lyxal

CMQ: What is a recent conversation you want to see auto-completed by gtp3?

Redwolf Programs

Try the start of the hivemind

This one's a short one with lots of repetition if you just want to test something

And this one's a longer one with lots of terminology GPT probably won't know

hyper-neutrino

maybe it can finally tell us whether or not it was funny :P

A username

What is gpt3?

Redwolf Programs

> Generative Pre-trained Transformer 3 is an autoregressive language model that uses deep learning to produce human-like text. It is the third-generation language prediction model in the GPT-n series created by OpenAI, a San Francisco-based artificial intelligence research laboratory.

It (or something similar) powers a lot of the things like code autocompletion

hyper-neutrino

02:37

is this the thing people use to extend music past where it actually stops, or is that another algorithm/model

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I just gotta make it into a nicer format first (the original conversation)

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Probably not GPT

It's meant for text

hyper-neutrino

right lol

Redwolf Programs

The extent of my knowledge on this stuff is some Robert Miles and Tom Scott videos though, so don't trust what I say 100% :p

lyxal

Okay right off the bat I can tell y'all are gonna like the autocompletion

Redwolf Programs

02:45

I'm excited

lyxal

gist.github.com/Lyxal/da8877ebed81e370ca476c5d243e3a6b (disclaimer: the dialogue I linked in the two gists contain text generated by OpenAI. After the indicated line, the text present is not at all representative of the respective users)

Redwolf Programs

Lyxal: @user how do you feel about being a tool of the redwolf program?
user: I'm not sure.
user: But I'm already used to being a tool of the FDIC.

A username

Wow!

I just want to be able to pay for my teeth.

hyper-neutrino

> user: But I'm already used to being a tool of the FDIC.

> Lyxal: @user well you'll be happy to know that you are a member of the FDIC

> user: The what?

(sorry for the ping, I realized after pasting that I think that still pings you)

lyxal

@Ausername that line was actually said though

A username

02:50

Wait what

Redwolf Programs

--- everything after this is Ai generated

hyper-neutrino

L40 is where the real convo and AI gen split

Redwolf Programs

Line 40

ninja'd

hyper-neutrino

> user: Is this conversation being recorded?
Lyxal: @/user yes
Lyxal: @/user by the redwolf program

the AI knows too much

Redwolf Programs

I told you guys this was a bad idea. We're all going to die now. When it takes over we're all going to die.

The hivemind is the AI's biggest enemy.

We need to prepare to fight it, and the more technology we rely on, the faster it gets us.

Throws laptop out window

A username

02:52

What does the redwolf program do? Does it rickroll?

lyxal

That snippet cost $0.27 BTW. Luckily I've got $18 in free credits

hyper-neutrino

worth

Redwolf Programs

I want to see if it's funny now :p

A username

03:14

Is it funny? I can't tell, I'm 5.8k.

hyper-neutrino

there's a screenshot right after the bookmark

hyper-neutrino

03:29

Should we have a Hello World feed?

5

Specifically, it seems there's good support for this, but as a normal feed or only as a ticker feed?

Redwolf Programs

Unfortunately I don't think that post will be a good way to decide, since there's a pretty big time difference between the two proposals

Wait it's five days

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Write a C++ demangler Ever look at an objdump and see gibberish like this? _ZN3foo3bar3bazIRKPKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEE3barISt6vectorIP8_IO_FILESaISG_EEEEvSB_PT_RSo This is a C++ mangled symbol (with the Itanium ABI) of the following beautiful function: void foo::bar...

Redwolf Programs

But still, the other one had gathered quite a few votes before the second was posted :p

hyper-neutrino

Yeah. We could repost and dupe hammer the old one into it but like, idk. i'd just like some feedback, even downvotes are better than nothing :p

i've prompted at least a couple times here (and I think specifically pointed to your answer to get any votes on it) and nothing's changed since like posting day

Redwolf Programs

I support a normal feed, since a ticker feed would be a bit inconsistent

And honestly a bit more annoying IMO

Since we can't just 11 the annoying ones

Bubbler

03:38

Well, why not try both? :P

hyper-neutrino

yeah. and the other point i think i mentioned at some point was that an interesting hello world will probably prompt discussion on it regardless and having no record as to what people are talking about or why makes context worse

a single onebox is much less space than the confusion from "wait why did people suddenly start talking about some weird language with literally no prompt"

Razetime

i like the idea of a single bold link better because i logread

hyper-neutrino

that'd probably need to be done by a bot then

if redwolf is willing that is an option to implement :p

Redwolf Programs

Problem is, that adds another bot to the sidebar

An RSS feed might work, but I'm not sure how well they work without oneboxes

hyper-neutrino

well this could go in new posts potentially

Redwolf Programs

03:43

A bit too much overloading on one bot though, imo

Bubbler

It would work if HN 11s every message to un-onebox it :P

I guess just a normal feed with onebox is a good compromise then

hyper-neutrino

it would make sense for something to post like

New Hello World submission in {Language}

Redwolf Programs

Oh, I like that format

Unrelated, I've set up a log of TNB through NP for the next few days

A username

CMQ: User whose name is the most accurate.

hyper-neutrino

but parsing the language and its attached link might be challenging

@Ausername yours since your username is, indeed, a username, or user because user is a user

Redwolf Programs

03:46

@hyper-neutrino Luckily I have spent way too much time developing a method to fairly reliably do just that :p

Razetime

@RedwolfPrograms 2021 TNB bot incident

A username

SimplyBeautifulArt maybe?

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms omg redwolf surveillance this is literally 1984

Redwolf Programs

I so want to log in as NP and post "Big brother is always watching" then leave

hyper-neutrino

it's strange (for me) that we have three bots operating in this room now. bots (that post) were once strictly forbidden in any regard :p

Redwolf Programs

03:48

You're the third I presume?

hyper-neutrino

OSP: am I a joke to you

Redwolf Programs

Oh lol

A username

(You mean four right?)

(not counting me)

Redwolf Programs

I'm probably going to rewrite NP/SP, the code and logging is getting insanely messy

hyper-neutrino

the thing about logging is I can't nuke things out of logs, but that's not really much of a problem (or at least not something that would make logging disallowed) because I can't nuke messages out of (most) people's minds anyway if they've already seen it, and one can't really detect logging anyway

Redwolf Programs

03:51

I'm thinking I'll finish my open source library, then use that instead of having bits and pieces of it strewn though the current program

@hyper-neutrino I'll upgrade it soon to use the socket to detect when a message is deleted and remove it from the logs

I can see the history anyway, and I'm probably the only person who'll be using this, but it's probably a good idea anyway

hyper-neutrino

the main thing is just so long as you are not reposting/spreading nuked content it's w/e :P

any malicious thing you could do with deleted content would be malicious and bad regardless of whether it was deleted anyway, if that makes sense

but yeah if you have auto deletion that would be very cool

also the thing is yes you can see the history but that's why i will fully redact and purge sensitive things that i delete

(which is quite rare, fortunately)

Redwolf Programs

Oh, I didn't know you could do that. Good point, I wasn't even thinking about accidental (or malicious) sensitive information, just the "typical" spam and offensive stuff.

hyper-neutrino

Ah. Yeah, there's a button to purge the revision history of a message

like if you look at ^ it's been edited once but there's no message history

Redwolf Programs

Interestingly, it still tells me it's been edited once (but not the history). (Might be caching though).

hyper-neutrino

Unfortunately, a deleted message will show the last revision, and you can't edit a deleted message, so if you accidentally delete and forget to redact the message itself, you can no longer redact or purge its content.

So doing things in the wrong order will actually block you from redacting the content permanently.

@RedwolfPrograms I think that's expected behavior. I mean, it has been edited once, the important thing is just that you can't tell why

I edited it again, and it says "edited twice", and if you look at the history, it shows one revision and then "older data not available"

one thing I don't like about the purge history button is it doesn't come with confirmation, it just immediately applies

and unlike suspensions, it's not undoable (also suspensions aren't really either because they go on your permanent record)

lyxal

04:15

Could someone format the "funny" conversation into name: line for me?

Redwolf Programs

Sure just a sec

lyxal

It makes the Ai process way easier

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal gist.github.com/hyper-neutrino/a4de1efe76e40d8710e5e6c837750964

watch out for the : in the messages though

Redwolf Programs

Dang, ninja'd

I automated it though, I'll put the code here

hyper-neutrino

CMP: would y'all rather have Elendia's TNBDE (SQL) or an API endpoint you can get TNB messages and whatever else from?

Redwolf Programs

04:19

var contents = [...document.querySelectorAll(".content")];

console.log(contents.map(c => c.parentNode.parentNode.parentNode.children[0].children[0].children[1].children[0].title + ": " + c.textContent.trim()).join("\n"));

hyper-neutrino

i just copy pasted the content and typed all of the names manually

A username

@hyper-neutrino Api

@lyxal How's it going?

lyxal

gist.github.com/Lyxal/d0666ff7f02f35525632e7b2a506d32a (disclaimer: the dialogue I linked in the two gists contain text generated by OpenAI. After the indicated line, the text present is not at all representative of the respective users)

A username

Redwolf is very insistent that they're not a joke.

Redwolf Programs

We still don't have an answer lol

A username

04:22

> hyper-neutrino: it's not funny enough to be funny

Redwolf Programs

> Redwolf Programs: Well, it's not really funny, but it's funny in some other way

hyper-neutrino

> user: Note to self: I have no idea what's going on

Redwolf Programs

user: Note to self: I'm
Redwolf Programs: You're not

hyper-neutrino

pretty accurate

A username

User's trying remember that they are funny

Redwolf Programs

04:23

GPT gives up near the end lol

HN becomes quite insistent they are not a joke though

hyper-neutrino

legend has it that user is still noting to self to this day

@RedwolfPrograms well, I'm not, I'm hyper-neutrino

A username

Is it bizzare how saying sentences backwards creates backwards sentences saying how bizarre it is?

Razetime

@lyxal when the

lyxal

Just to be extremely very clear: the dialogue I linked in the two gists contain text generated by OpenAI. After the indicated line, the text present is not at all representative of the respective users

A username

As soon as you observe whether it is funny or not, it becomes the opposite of what you want it to be.

hyper-neutrino

04:28

this is a pretty accurate reflection of CGCC. get access to a very good (top-quality?) AI and immediately use it to extend absolutely pointless funny conversations in TNB :P

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal But it is :p

A username

Do you have enough paperclips?

Answer: no. You can never have enough paperclips.

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I'm required to say that it isn't

Redwolf Programs

I know :p

hyper-neutrino

do you want me to 11 that disclaimer into both of the gist link messages?

lyxal

04:38

Sure

Also, I'm only allowed 4 posts per day of this kind

So make your suggestions count

hyper-neutrino

how much did the funny conversation cost :P

lyxal

Less than 1 cenr

*cent

Redwolf Programs

And we didn't even get to find out if it was funny D:

lyxal

I made sure to use the cheaper model :p

Redwolf Programs

What a waste of an insignificant amount of money

:p

hyper-neutrino

04:40

lol

lyxal

The top model would probably have given the same results anyway

hyper-neutrino

it's not exactly a complex conversation :P

lyxal

Were any of y'all offended by the two gists?

A username

I wasn't in them so no

lyxal

Asking because not offending people is part of the toc I agreed to

Redwolf Programs

04:43

Of course not, dw :p

hyper-neutrino

I was not offended :P your fridge is safe for now

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A username

@lyxal The AI would be offensive, not you...

lyxal

I personally don't care if y'all are offended, it's that I don't want to risk my beta status :p

hyper-neutrino

bruh moment

lyxal

Anyone want a third conversation done?

Redwolf Programs

04:47

Sure, try the war :p

Might be a bit expensive though so it's your choice

(Not that it isn't anyway :p)

lyxal

The expense comes from the generated text

Not the prompt

hyper-neutrino

feed it the entirety of TNB then :P /s

lyxal

Give me TNB in the nice format and I will :p

hyper-neutrino

might take a minute or two :P

lyxal

I'm on mobile btw

hyper-neutrino

04:51

i'm sorry for your loss

lyxal

That's why I need y'all to do the formatting

Redwolf Programs

I can convert the war if you want

lyxal

Please do

Link it in a gist

Redwolf Programs

gist.github.com/RedwolfPrograms/…

hyper-neutrino

oh i didn't send much. might not get anything autocompleted under my name :P

lyxal

04:53

Dang

Max 1k word prompt

Redwolf Programs

:/

A username

Oh well

lyxal

Give me a suitable cut off and I'll try again

A username

Slice it off

Redwolf Programs

Try this

hyper-neutrino

04:56

I suppose to assist in lyxal wanting to protect their access and TOS agreement, if anyone is ever offended by any content produced by the AI posted here, feel free to ping me so I can airstrike it if lyxal can't anymore :P

lyxal

Oh

Oh this is good

Y'all are gonna love it

Razetime

wowoowowwwhgasd

lyxal

Give me a few more moments to add a few more bits on

A username

A suitable point from the start would be user: we can f*ck with their brains

lyxal

Wow its actually juicy

A username

04:57

link plz?

Redwolf Programs

@Ausername be patient :p

A username

Trying

I'll go get some paperclips

lyxal

Oh

Nvm

I added too much

Redwolf Programs

lol

lyxal

Made my phone crash

Redwolf Programs

04:58

D:

lyxal

Couldn't handle all the text

Redwolf Programs

Hopefully you can still access it without paying more?

lyxal

I'll try again

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