I just got the thought bubble hat and im not sure how

I think it's for looking at your own profile

Maybe, though I only looked at my profile this morning, but I just now got the hat, about 5-6 hours later

I think it's for cahtting

I have one normal hat and five secret hats

Could be, I have been doing a lot of chatting the past few minutes

Monooluge & co are definitely related to questions

That's probably not the right place to ask that, but I have just discovered golfing, and in the past few days, I have been flooded with a lot of new "golfing" languages. Even though I like golfing in C, I would like to learn a golfing language. That's probably opinion based, but what are the ones worth taking a look at?

Vyxal

most popular at the moment here are Vyxal and Jelly

@AaroneousMiller accurate.

Im biased tho, since I help in the development of Vyxal

btw, did lyxal create vyxal?

I did

Vyxal is better[*], but it's less interesting to learn than Jelly because it's stack-based like so many other golfing languages (e.g. 05AB1E)

Pyth is cool. (Warning: bias)

[*] may contain some bias

I see lol I found Jelly very interesting, but a bit scary at first...

Vyxal's probably easier to transition to from other languages as it's quite intuitive and contains a lot of concepts from practical languages, such as if statements, loops, functions etc

@LucasEmanuelGenova it's not a golfing language, but it's definitely interesting: Zsh (my actual favourite language for golfing)

@emanresuA don't forget variables

@LucasEmanuelGenova if you decide to learn jelly, my one tip for you is to try not to intuit too much, and just learn it as a system of rules (because that's what it is)

Javascript (not a golfing language, but pretty cool and golfier with ES6+)

that helped me overcome the scariness factor, since I felt like I was supposed to find it intuitive, but really it isn't

is there any imperative golfing language? Im probably going to learn another paradigm, but i didn't see any imperative...

most stack-based languages are imperative

Also not a golfing language but you can try out BQN

oh... I didn't consider that... i see

there are also Pyth, Japt, Pip etc which are closer related to Python, JS, and Python (respectively) so they may feel more imperative

is bqn array based?

Yes

If you do go with Vyxal, stay away from the flags

ok... why?

come to the flag side, we have cookies

^

I (and a lot of people) consider them cheating

@LucasEmanuelGenova because redwolf doesn't like them

I hear Charcoal is more imperative than most other golflangs

let's not get into the flag debate....

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lol

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stop

@pxeger I am SO tempted to post ^ right below that =P

But yeah, Jelly, Vyxal, and Husk are probably the three most popular golfing languages with unique paradigms

well thank you'all! Im going to have a better look on those...

Challenge idea: Given a chat history, replace lines with copies of ^ into the line it is pointing at

@RedwolfPrograms Tacit for Jelly, stack based for Vyxal, and Husk's somewhat functional I think (I know it's Haskell based, but haven't looked into it much)

Is haskell interesting for golfing?

certainly can be

We don't get many Haskell answers IIRC, but it seems like it would be

@RedwolfPrograms Husk is super functional

for the longest time ive been ṕlanning learning it...

Maybe Haskell and Husk might be good to look into then

whats IIRC?

Husk seems well designed, at least the parts I've seen

Haskell can be pretty interesting to golf

@LucasEmanuelGenova If I Recall Correctly

@LucasEmanuelGenova If I Remember Correctly

If I rickroll correctly

lol

lol

lol

that's great! thank you all!

If you're looking for a language with a unique paradigm, I recommend Brachylog. If you're looking for a language with a familiar paradigm, I recommend Pip.* (* very biased)

Pip is definitely the most imperative of the golfing languages I've seen

While not a golflang, K's good if you're transitioning from Javascript

CMC: return the median indices of a list: [43, 32, 17, 12] -> [1, 2] (0-indexed), [6, 1, 9] -> 1 (0-indexed)

JS itself can be surprisingly golfy, and golfing in it has a really high skill ceiling (one I'd argue we haven't even reached yet)

I don't see connection with JS but K is indeed a nice one

@lyxal So, just the median of all the indices, regardless of the contents of the list?

Brachylog might be interesting, I dont even know whats the declarative paradigm

correct

just the middle indicies

IMO the syntax and the way you write stuff is quite similar

@DLosc ^^

@lyxal Jelly: Length increment half index-into indices

Jelly weird inndexing

would be 5 or 6, because I forgot the direction index-into works

Or, "prepend-zero halves(digraph) each-length" gives 4 but with duplicates and higher number first

@lyxal Pip, 10 bytes: UQHV:#g-^t

Or 12 bytes in Pip Classic: UQ(#g-^t)//2

Subtract 2 bytes (3 bytes from the Classic version) if output like [1;1] is acceptable.