The Nineteenth Byte

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10:00 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing and you didn't have to remove the explanation

nice language though +1

H.PWiz

@ngn "-"/ works as insert "-"?

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only Thanks. I've got to do this thing called 'sleep' (no idea what it is, never heard of it before) though, so I'll add a proper explanation in the morning

ngn

@H.PWiz I think it's called "join"

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@cairdcoinheringaahing dude the explanation is exactly the same, you never had to remove it

H.PWiz

I was guessing, because f/ is sometimes referred to as insert f

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10:04 PM

no function flags:
https://tio.run/##lVPPbtMwGD87T/EpTApoQWrHYdKqSVk71ANFQpTtwBQxJ3bXTKmd2k4hmnrhzjPstgPiCTjuUXgC3qB8n9OgSowJZCV24t8/f7a5EFW12Uzig1Rkb0/uvx8Hk3j4JNvfnMY5L8s4iftpEJzGTltnCnWFP8IoFMn1irEBTGtjdK0EfCzcHCJwc6lArnhJlGtdKIQzAo6M5E4Ch1mtcldoBU4DASBr4FJdgq14Lm3APPrlJ76oSoSbq3ohlbNHDNjFRcSzXMhZBL00DVh29uJg5OFvajtHaS8xYGz67mT0Co5hB4/RIqQk4jwZt3l01VAEp6u/M6D7JLfJ4d6HxnOfqueHz7aBHyO3luiYeNprvZI41Zn@SetaD2k3Xb3XbVq1ksYRt/37GD3qed/7u/3tSlWOpVf4PBAWgNC0v9K6@CgOWNhOhBA6IyV2y7ArsTO1mzeA21vTyh@IQBTslpQgbKRFupBShL93acZLK/9NAiIUwDcJkN4wFefZmV/TlGMp8axBWVj3fyo/Pn@7oYO99kJj6byOkbYu3W6gHlDrQ987j5Nh…

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Formic Functions v2 (name temporary) This is a preliminary write-up of a new challenge heavily inspired by Formic Functions. The spec is based on the original challenge's spec - credits for most of what you'll read here to trichoplax. Each player starts with one ant - a queen, who collects food...

ngn

@H.PWiz yeah, makes sense

@H.PWiz analogously, separator\string is split

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Without Unicode too
https://tio.run/##lVPPbtMwGD87T/EpTApoQWrHYdIqpKwd6oEiIcp2YIqYE39dM6VOajtl0dQLd56BGwfEU/AoPAFvUL7PaVElxgSyEjvx758/21Kput5sJvFRqrI3w/QUg0k8fJQdbs7iXJZlnMT9NAjOYldZZwp9TT/CKFTJzUqIAUwbY6pGK/hQuDlE4OaoAVeyZMpNVWiCCwaODEqHIGHW6NwVlQZXAQMga@FKX4GtZY42EB794lYu6pLg5rpZoHb2RIC4vIxkliucRdBL00Bk58@ORh7@urFzkvYSAyGmb09HL@E57OEpWkSURF0k4y5PVbccwVX13xmw@2S3yfHB@9ZzH@unx0@2gR8id5bkmHjaq2qFNLUz/ZO2az2i3e3qve7S6hUax9zu70P0qOd9v3853K5U51R6Tc89YQEYzfuL1sUncSDCbiKE0BlE6pbhrsTONG7eAm1vwyu/JwJTqFtygrBFS3SFqMLfuzSTpcV/k4CIBOjNAqw3TNVFdu7XNJVUSjprUBbW/Z/Kj4/f7vhgr73QGJ3XMWib0u0H6gG3PvS98zgZ5p7…

@cairdcoinheringaahing Nice I found the debug command h (and H) :P

Dennis

Yay, meta gold!

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@Dennis O_o

DJMcMayhem

10:12 PM

@Dennis Which one?

Dennis

Reversal.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Dennis that's your third gold...

Christopher

@Dennis ‮Reversal?

Dennis

Peter Taylor, Spain

37.9k 7 41 100

@Christopher Yup. Thanks to you. ;)

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Christopher

@Dennis what what did i do?

I have more power then i know

totallyhuman

10:15 PM

Dennis

@Christopher Post a question about trolling authors of homework questions.

Christopher

@Dennis jeez, I wanted to remove that but it needs to stay :/

Dennis

Second one I got. First was for Question about question about advacado sic.

Christopher

@MartinEnder your welcome for gold

Dennis

Are you proposing to trade your gold for his welcome?

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10:17 PM

@Dennis Why did you have to turn the [sic] into a tag >_>

Martin Ender

@Dennis I'd be fine with that

also, yay first reversal?

Christopher

nope

Alex got 2 first

moonheart08

Quark's very core instructions (basic numbers and math, Execute Block) function \o/
STACK
1:NONE
2:NONE
3:NONE
444444444444444444444444444444444444454263262574736277564253553737846735280863721253835724264216809876:NONE
0.1:NONE | PINNED
0.01:NONE | PINNED
0.0001:NONE | PINNED
0.00000001:NONE | PINNED
0.0000000000000001:NONE | PINNED
0.00000000000000000000000000000001:NONE | PINNED
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001:NONE | PINNED
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001:NONE

Oh, and infinite precision numbers

have to have the infinite precision numbers

Martin Ender

@Christopher no I mean it's my first reversal badge

(on all of SE, I think)

Christopher

@MartinEnder yes

Dennis

10:19 PM

@ASCII-only Formatting opportunities must be abused in every possible way.

Christopher

@Dennis cool

Dennis

Kindly stop pinging me.

Christopher

sorry .oO(Super glad I didn't do that as a ping)

Dennis

I got three reversals on Mother Meta. Could have been four if I hadn't upvoted one of the questions.

Christopher

lol

ETHproductions

10:27 PM

oh snap, Dennis is planning a Jelly 2? I'd better get a move on with Japt 2

Conor O'Brien

goodness what

moonheart08

@ETHproductions Too late, i'm already making QUARK. QUARK > all /s

how to: freeze my interpreter.
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i mean, it makes sense, but i find it funny for some reason

Conor O'Brien

@ETHproductions I'd be happy to help with Japt 2 if you want any

ETHproductions

thanks @Conor. Still in the design phase right now, but I'd love to get feedback if you want to provide some

Conor O'Brien

sure! is there a chatroom or similar?

ETHproductions

10:31 PM

There is a Japt chatroom

I'd link you to the planning doc, but it's on HackMD which seems to be down atm

caird coinheringaahing

10:42 PM

@ASCII-only Nice! Glad to see someone use Add++ :P

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@cairdcoinheringaahing I cheated though >_> I just basically did the same thing you did and merged the lambdas

Partly because I discovered A is a thing from your answer

@cairdcoinheringaahing It seems like it may be able to be golfed though, IDK

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hang on I never posted this in chat

@Neil hmm is the information in the AST sufficient to be able to generate a decent explanation?

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only Downside to other people using your language: you get outgolfed really fast :P

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@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes half the time I post, Neil's already posted a better answer >_>

Not that I post often at all

caird coinheringaahing

I'm tempted to try the Magic 8 ball challenge, but I don't want to get downvoted just for posting an answer :/

Conor O'Brien

post answers to what you enjoy to do, not for the rep.

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10:52 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hmm do you think B#b+ or B]Ae can be golfed?

caird coinheringaahing

@ConorO'Brien It's not that, it's more that getting downvote kinda feels like someone saying "this isn't good enough, get rid of it" to your post for me

@ASCII-only I think B]Ae could be ABE but I haven't tested it

Conor O'Brien

it should count as serial voting and probably will be removed

caird coinheringaahing

Nope, ABE doesn't work :/

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@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah because ABE 1. returns an array, 2. checks against stack[-1] as well >_>

@cairdcoinheringaahing you should stack.pop() instead

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only For BE? There are lots of things I should change in the source code :P

I really should be sleeping :/ Bye y'all!

Zacharý

11:11 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Unless you're Dennis, that is.

FryAmTheEggman

@HyperNeutrino Hi :)

HyperNeutrino

hello :D

FryAmTheEggman

So basically the concept that you want to describe seems to be that the chain reaches a steady state, i.e. if you look away from the state for a really long time what are the probabilities of being in a particular state when you get back

HyperNeutrino

Basically, yeah. I prefer my definition of how you want to find non-zero B for input A such that BA=B

FryAmTheEggman

Usually finding the limit of the matrix representation of the chain will give you that, but only if the chain is irreducible, aperiodic, and has at least one recurrent state

HyperNeutrino

11:22 PM

though obviously that doesn't really work with the identity matrix because any B would work

FryAmTheEggman

So your definition allows a lot more, it's really asking "find a left kernel of a stochastic matrix"

HyperNeutrino

@FryAmTheEggman Hm okay, that makes sense. Could I just say in my question specs that "the chain is guaranteed to be irreducible, aperiodic, and have at least one recurrent state" and leave it up to the answerers to make a solution without input validation?

oh okay. makes sense

FryAmTheEggman

Yeah that's what I was thinking, but you then have to describe what those mean

Instead I think you could say: where the resulting B has all identical rows

HyperNeutrino

oh yeah I guess that would make sense

I will probably exclude the identity matrix from this

FryAmTheEggman

Also for Luis' question, I had intended to imply that answerers should only need to pick one of the conventions, not both

HyperNeutrino

11:25 PM

oh ok :/ well, i'll ping him back about that

FryAmTheEggman

In fact it makes my answer invalid, I'm pretty sure

You can pick what you want, it just seems a little arbitrary to make people transpose the input and output if their language chose the other convention (to me anyway)

HyperNeutrino

yeah. I edited that into the post

FryAmTheEggman

Ok, thanks for putting up with all of my nagging :P

HyperNeutrino

it's alright :P I posted the challenge without enough knowledge of exactly how it works so thanks for getting rid of all of the mathematical technical issues :D

FryAmTheEggman

My pleasure!

Destructible Lemon

11:58 PM

I wrote a fair amount of the quarterstaff spec for the challenge in the sandbox but firefox froze up before i finished it or copy pasted it

>:(

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