The Nineteenth Byte

Pavel

12:15 AM

F# has optional arguments. F# also implicitely curries functions. I'm not sure how this makes sense.

ASCII-only

@Pavel :| "implicitely"

makes it sound like like implicit is a british swear

Pavel

oops ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Οurous

@ASCII-only classes in Python always looked hacky to me. At least syntactically.

Pavel

yep

recursive

12:30 AM

My main complaint is the __magic__(self) method names.

Pavel

12:41 AM

very yes

but also the lack of constants and access modifiers

Οurous

12:52 AM

@Pavel if I imagine their idea for classes was a functional approach where it's just an abstract constraint for some data that allows methods to be associated with it, it's slightly less irritating.

But instead it's some weird halfway OO stuff.

quartata

@Pavel tbh I've mostly come to the conclusion that access modifiers are garbage

Pavel

ಠ_ಠ

Οurous

._.

Pavel

Might as well just make everything global then

quartata

python just has the convention that things you probably shouldn't use lead with underscores. and that's great because actually limiting stuff is a nuisance when you need to do something lower level

use common sense, not inflexible restrictions

recursive

12:57 AM

@Pavel Everything global implies no instance members. Everything public at least allows for stateful objects.

Pavel

@quartata C# and Java still allow for accessing private members through reflection. If you really need to, you can modify private fields, but for normal use private fields make it a bit harder to fuck stuff up.

quartata

@Pavel do you have any idea how slow that is

and ugly

Ruby at least just has .send

recursive

OTOH, if you really need to in python, you can make something really private by putting a local into a closure, and then returning a function reference.

Pavel

Not slower than Python

quartata

I'd be surprised on that.

Pavel

12:59 AM

And it's supposred to be ugly you're not supposed to be poking around in there in the first place

That's why it's private

quartata

maybe I'm biased because I have to work with private members that really shouldn't be private quite a lot

but really you shouldn't be punished for another party's design choices. just be conscious of what you're doing with a few extra keystrokes

For reference I recently needed to hook into some private stuff in regex which is probably one of the most common Python modules out there. what I wanted probably shouldn't be part of any public API (I needed to count how many capture groups a regex had and join the FSAs together) but all the functionality was there and easy to use, just protected

should I really have to incur a performance hit for that

no

just know what you're doing

Pavel

You're using Python

Performance is clearly not a priority here

quartata

plus your internal API should be just as nice as your external

@Pavel hell yes it is.

Pavel

It's no Perl 6 but Python is still one of the slower languages out there

quartata

Python is slow at some things, not at others. The stuff I was calling into was all C anyways.

@Pavel Ruby is much slower

Python is above average for most scripting languages if you do it right

Perl is much faster of course but it's much simpler

Pavel

1:07 AM

Still slower than C# with reflection

quartata

Perl 5 is much faster of course but it's much simpler, and more of it is in C

@Pavel I mean in general, relative to te language's normal speed

Destructible Lemon

I'm modifying my esolang, what should () be used for (while loops and while not loops, and if else are already filled)

quartata

imagine Python forcing me to use getattr

that's what I mean

Destructible Lemon

also doesn't pypy make python really fast if you can be bothered figuring out how to get pypy?

quartata

Or Cython.

Destructible Lemon

1:09 AM

Quarterstaff to BF challenge

The interpreters have been made, so the challenge will be made...

quartata

In those if you had to use reflection then it would really tank though

Java's reflection is particularly egregious style-wise

It's probably what has created the bad stigma around reflection

In Smalltalk reflection is its lifeblood

it's not burdened down by horrid OOP patterns mind you

Οurous

Don't have that problem in functional land.

Pavel

C# reflection is surprisingly not awful

quartata

I'm on the fence about Ruby's access modifiers because its reflection is so much better

Pavel

Is there a way to get ls to ignore directories that don't exist instead of failing

Like if I pass a b c d e to ls, and only c and d exist, I want it to list of their contents and quietly ignore the others

ngn

1:18 AM

@Pavel ls a b c d e 2>/dev/null ?

Pavel

Mm, right

Dennis

1:35 AM

Are the directories really called a b c d e? If so, ls [a-e] does the job.

Pavel

@Dennis Actually, it's ls $(echo $PATH|sed 's/:/ /g')

Dennis

You have directories on your PATH that do not exist. o_O

Pavel

Yeah, /root/bin

This is a clean install of Fedora Server and I'm logged in as root btw

ngn

@Pavel if this is bash, you can write ${PATH//:/ } instead of $(echo $PATH|sed 's/:/ /g')

Pavel

Oh cool

The full command was ls $(echo $PATH|sed 's/:/ /g') | uniq | wc --lines

Dennis

1:48 AM

uniq accomplishes nothing here. What are you trying to do?

Pavel

@Dennis Determine how many executables there are in my PATH

But things like ls are listed multple times in /bin and in /usr/bin

Dennis

That's because /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin on Fedora.

Pavel

Usage: uniq [OPTION]... [INPUT [OUTPUT]]
Filter adjacent matching lines from INPUT (or standard input),

> adjacent

dammit

Dennis

sort -u does what you want.

Pavel

Oh thanks

Dennis

1:52 AM

find ${PATH//:/ } -type f might be closer to what you want. It lists only actual files and skips symlinks entirely.

Pavel

Thanks a bunch!

Dennis

A malicious PATH could wipe your entire system though, so be careful with these things.

Pavel

Wat

Oh because there could be directories that start with - that get passed to find as flags

Dennis

Exactly. And if one of them is -delete...

Pavel

find -type f -- ${PATH//:/ } maybe?

IDK if find cares about argument order

Dennis

1:56 AM

It does.

Pavel

Well, the reason I have a server in the first place is so that I can play around with a Linux box without fear of anything breaking since I can just tell DO to recreate the droplet

Also to play nethack with my friends so we share a leaderboard and bones file

Dennis

That's not really something to worry about. Any variable you use as an argument to a program can wreck things. And if someone has the ability to modify root's PATH, it's game over anyway.

Pavel

Well, because it's shared across a couple of nethack players, someone screwing with PATH could be a prank and not a hacker. So that's actually a good thing to keep in mind.

Dennis

Do others have root access?

Pavel

I made it so you login only through ssh key instead of a password and I haven't figured out how to allow loging in as something other than root in this case yet.

Dennis

2:02 AM

If it works for root, it should work for everyone.

Pavel

Well, the user pavel exists, but ssh root@<ip> works and ssh pavel@<ip> doesn't

I didn't do the configuration for root in the first place, that was how DO set it up

Do I just create a .ssh/authorized_keys file in the users' home directories?

Dennis

Yes. The permissions have to be set correctly as well.

Pavel

Well I hope DO set them up so they are

Dennis

When you recreate things elsewhere, I mean.

They are for root. sshd is quite strict with this and won't allow you to log in if they aren't.

Anonymous

cat person_public_key.pub >> /home/person/.ssh/authorized_keys

Pavel

2:10 AM

Well that didn't work

Anonymous

Also chown -R person /home/person

Pavel

guess I do have to set some setting

Dennis

It's most likely the permission issue. ls -ldZ ~pavel/.ssh and ls -lZ ~pavel/.ssh, please.

Pavel

[root@droplet ~]# ls -ldZ ~pavel/.ssh
drwxrwxr-x. 2 pavel pavel unconfined_u:object_r:ssh_home_t:s0 4096 Mar  6 02:09 /home/pavel/.ssh
[root@droplet ~]# ls -lZ ~pavel/.ssh
total 4
-rw-rw-r--. 1 pavel pavel unconfined_u:object_r:ssh_home_t:s0 409 Mar  6 02:09 authorized_keys

Dennis

chmod 700 ~pavel/.ssh
chmod 640 ~pavel/.ssh/authorized_keys

Pavel

2:14 AM

As root or as pavel?

Dennis

Either.

Pavel

Oh ok

\o/ works now

Thanks a bunch!

Dennis

np

Pavel

2:26 AM

Time to add sysadmin to skills section of LinkedIn

/s

Οurous

3:04 AM

I just love it when I'm about to answer the first challenge in a language and there's a horrific bug in functionality that I need to use.

user202729

3:26 AM

> Each red flag, during its validity, carries an implicit downvote from the Community user (...)

So Community can vote down multiple times?

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user202729

I think there is a dupe on Meta Stack Exchange.

Destructible Lemon

4:03 AM

it's time to relearn how to use git again i guess

Esolanging Fruit

TIL Y ou ca n ma k e ba d k e rning

Destructible Lemon

hair spaces?

hah a I've don e that be fore

user71546

4:27 AM

Hello I am new to this chat room. ;) I have a question about the meta post about editing off-topic questions. Should suggestions that may make the question on-topic also avoided?

Anonymous

@user71546 I don't think so

user71546

@Mego When I commented on an off-topic challenge post that it may be a good candidate for code-golf if reworded, someone replied me with the link to that meta post, so I doubt if I should avoid such suggestion.

Anonymous

I personally disagree with that, but I'm just one ~~guy~~ penguin

Pavel

Is there a way to chown a directory so it acts like every user owns it

So like anyone can do whatever to it, including setting permissions and such.

user71546

You might need a 777 ;) nope it's too dangerous.

Οurous

4:41 AM

codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/157368/18730 Wooooo first answer in Dirty. I only found about 4 bugs writing that.

DLosc

> Note: There are some rude words in this question.
> first answer in Dirty

2

I see what you did there

user71546

First Dirty answer in a question with dirty words lol

ASCII-only

@EsolangingFruit *keming

Pavel

If a group owns a directory, and a user makes a file in that directory, does the group own the file or does the user?

DLosc

@Pavel ... I'm confused. Doesn't every file or directory have both an owner (user) and a group?

Pavel

4:55 AM

@DLosc Maybe I don't get how ownership works

DLosc

You're talking Linux, right?

Pavel

Yes

Like what happens if you do chown :users

Then no individual user owns the file, right?

DLosc

No, that changes the group, actually.

The convenience syntax is admittedly a bit confusing

Pavel

I see

DLosc

It's chown newuser:newgroup

Or chgrp newgroup

Pavel

4:57 AM

Who can set permissions on a file? Anyone with w permission?

DLosc

...Probably? Not entirely sure.

That makes more sense than r or x permissions, anyway.

Some reading

Pavel

All I want is for two users to share ownership of a file ;-;

ASCII-only

@Pavel Then you probably need a (new) group

Pavel

@ASCII-only The problem is that even with chmod 777, the user owner still can do things group members can't

ASCII-only

@Pavel wait. wat?

Pavel

5:08 AM

Like chmod the file. You can't have a file chmod-able by more than root and the owning user.

We're considering making a user to own the directory and just agree to su as it whenever we work with it.

Esolanging Fruit

I swear I can't escape Dennis

I was just searching for how to convert a string to lowercase in Python and I find a SO answer by Dennis

ASCII-only

@EsolangingFruit .lower()

Esolanging Fruit

Yep

ASCII-only

you don't even need SO for that, docs exist for a reason

Esolanging Fruit

Why use docs when there's SO?

Pavel

5:26 AM

Docs are usually hard to read

Mr. Xcoder

Lol I’m in the same situation but with Martin Ender... I was looking for a pendulum formula and I saw one of his Physics.SE answers. I once looked for something on SO, I saw one of his answers.

Downgoat

@Pavel man can be, but API docs are pretty straightforward if they exist

Pavel

harder than SO

Downgoat

...

how is this harder than SO

Pavel

Because I don't know to look for the documentation of the string class. It might be lower(str), in which case it would be a builtin and on a different page.

After all, it's not [foo].length, it's len([foo])

Mr. Xcoder

5:32 AM

@Downgoat Did you solve that problem you had with AppDelegate?

Οurous

{#toLower c \\ c <-: string} oh wait

Pavel

wat

Downgoat

@Mr.Xcoder yeah, looks like I had to use swift -frontend -c and add a Stub.swift file so Swift would interpret it as a module

Οurous

My second attempt would be to map a character-to-lower function over the string.

Mr. Xcoder

@Downgoat O_o Ok... Good to know

Downgoat

5:33 AM

I'm making porting Swift's UIKit interface to VSL: github.com/vsl-lang/vsl-ios since you have iOS experience, idk if you'd be interested in helping develop it :3

Mr. Xcoder

I might be interested, but I have some exams in the next few months so maaaybe after that?

Downgoat

ok sure

Mr. Xcoder

Anyway gtg now

ASCII-only

5:55 AM

> next few months

how many exams is that lol

@Pavel ... all builtins are on the homepage

Pavel

It's still easier to search "How do I make a string lowercase in python"

ASCII-only

@Pavel ... and that's only because len applies to all sequence types maybe

@Pavel >_> yeah but still

add python docs as search engine -> magic. zero time needed.

Pavel

or SO as search engine

ASCII-only

:O that is an amazing idea how have i never thought of this

Οurous

... or both?

ASCII-only

6:01 AM

yeah but having python docs too is a bit redundant. depends what you need to look up I guess

Οurous

Question: Does ⇠ display as an arrow for anyone who sees ⭪ as a box

DLosc

@Οurous Yup! I can see #1 but #2 is a box.

Οurous

@DLosc Excellent. I'll add #1 as the default alternative for the command currently assigned to #2. That's four less boxes in the charset because of all four directions!

Pavel

Just use APL arrows

←→↓↑

@Οurous APL character render basically everywhere

Οurous

6:17 AM

@Pavel I am. There aren't enough different arrows in the first arrow block.

Pavel

How many arrows do you need ._.

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Οurous

6:41 AM

@Pavel 56. Currently 57. Will be removing one and changing another.

ASCII-only

@Οurous what. O_o

what kind of language needs so many arrows

Esolanging Fruit

@ASCII-only It helps to give the language some direction.

I'll see myself out.

ASCII-only

7:52 AM

@EsolangingFruit you're still here

ASCII-only

8:03 AM

:O charcoal is fixed

this is amazing

@Neil Hmm off the top of your head can you think of anywhere the current deverbosifier doesn't work properly (apart from after numbers)? Or would it be better if I just pushed so you could test it yourself

Esolanging Fruit

@ASCII-only Bye

Fatalize

8:43 AM

A Prolog chatroom, for those interested in learning the language

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Οurous

@Fatalize I think prolog was my third language. It ended up getting me interested in alternative styles of programming, and I ended up liking functional. I've been meaning to actually do more than sample the language so this is a nice resource to have :)

Fatalize

@Οurous I didn't expect my previous message to get 8 stars, so seems like at least a few other people are interested

ASCII-only

9:04 AM

Anyone know how python's base64 is different from ruby's?

I'm getting different results from equivalent code

Neil

... other than the cases I've previously told you?

ASCII-only

Yeah (I think I already have all the other test cases)

Destructible Lemon

i need help with my quarterstaff to bf challenge i think

Quarterstaff to BF challenge

The interpreters have been made, so the challenge will be made...

ASCII-only

9:21 AM

Charcoal TIO link generation works :D

Now I just need to figure out how to add flags

Mr. Xcoder

10:03 AM

@ASCII-only Yup, 3 exams and an olympiad

ASCII-only

10:16 AM

@Neil Do you think it would ever be useful to specify header and footer to Charcoal?

Neil

No, but then again (not that they don't exist) I've never seen headers or footers for 05AB1E or Jelly answers.

ASCII-only

Also, re: input methods, what do you mean by Charcoal should have more?

Should Charcoal have another input type that literal_evals the next input?

Neil

well, the input format on the answer on which I commented was a bit ugly

I was thinking possibly a JSON input format

ASCII-only

As in provide all inputs as JSON?

Or read next input as JSON

Or both at the same time?

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Sanchises

10:30 AM

My first CnR challenge... fingers crossed. But hey, I passed 5k rep!

ASCII-only

@Neil

Neil

10:50 AM

not sure what you mean about all inputs as JSON

ASCII-only

@Neil as in should input be provided as a JSON array of all the inputs

e.g. inputs of "1", "2" and "3" would be provided as ["1", "2", "3"]

Neil

you can already do that: Try it online!

ASCII-only

actually, never mind >_>

One thing: ~~Charcoal uses Python literals, should I switch to JSON?~~ wait I'm stupid Python literals are JSON anyway

Neil

but you're still limited to integer and string values

ASCII-only

Then there should be a command and operator to get the next input as its original type, right?

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ASCII-only

@Neil

Neil

yeah I guess that would work

as long as you can input an array

ASCII-only

@Neil So fullwidth A for array would work? (This would work for objects too, it's just that A is a character that was freed when I switched Assign to ≔)

Neil

sounds good to me

ASCII-only

12:25 PM

Such a massive commit

Most of the stuff in it wasn't Charcoal stuff though >_>

I really hope nothing is broken too

All the tests pass but I'm sure there's plenty I haven't covered

Neil

12:42 PM

tfw you make a comment, then think you've misread the answer, so you delete the comment, then find you misread your misreading of the answer

ASCII-only

@Neil what is this, fastest-reading?

@Dennis Even better: tio.run/…

Dennis

Ooh, didn't know that was a thing.

ASCII-only

@Dennis Well, it's an experimental mutable type that AFAICT is gmpy2-specific

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Q: If I'm new, where do I begin as a programmer?

I want to learn programming, where from shall I start and how? I m confused what I'm asking. But I do wanna learn. Sorry if my question is bothering you.

java

ASCII-only

I wouldn't be surprised if Charcoal's source shrinks by >1k sloc after switching to gmpy2

Adám

@NewMainPosts Just replace "programmer" and "programming" with "code golfer" and "code golfing".

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám then it would be a POB...

HyperNeutrino

(goto ppcgmeta? not sure if that would be on-topic...)

ASCII-only

uses lru_cache and prays it works

Erik the Outgolfer

1:20 PM

meta? how is that anything about PPCG, it's just something that wouldn't be on-topic for Stack Exchange in general

ASCII-only

Also while I'm at it, I probably need a more efficient prime generator, anyone know of any good algorithms/python bindings for C libraries?

Martin Ender

@Dennis ah very nice, I was already afraid I'd beat both Jelly and osabie with Wumpus :P (I've got 13 bytes there, but I'll wait a while longer before posting it)

Anonymous

@ASCII-only numpy

ASCII-only

@MartinEnder Woah, it's a 2D language and it's still this golfy?

Martin Ender

it normally isn't, but somehow in this case it is

Erik the Outgolfer

1:24 PM

it's actually a triangular language

Martin Ender

the program isn't even 2D

ASCII-only

@Mego Apart from numpy (doesn't it take forever to import? or is that sympy?)

Anonymous

@ASCII-only Sympy takes forever. Numpy is actually not too bad to import because it's fairly well modularized into submodules. You have to import a gazillion things from different submodules for hardcore math, but just importing the base module is cheap.

ASCII-only

@Mego How long does it take?

Anonymous

@ASCII-only tio.run/##K6gsycjPM/7/PzO3IL@oRCGvNLegUiGxWCGv4P9/AA

ASCII-only

1:27 PM

~~:/ 1.2 seconds~~ woah nice

Dennis

Try again.

ASCII-only

Time to bloat Charcoal with more dependencies that don't even help with ASCII-art then, I guess

moonheart08

1:48 PM

Morning o/

J. Sallé

Morning \o

Martin Ender

@Dennis despite the explanation I have no clue how and why your Jelly answer works :D

Dennis

:P

Any particular part I should make clearer?

betseg

@betseg ive just noticed this message is starred, why is this message starred

because of the caching thing?

Martin Ender

2:03 PM

@Dennis ah never mind, now I get it. on the first read I no clue how your algorithms relates to the definition at all, but it makes sense now.

that answer is actually amazing

what now...

moonheart08

How would i represent a encoding table for a 9 bit format?

Martin Ender

4 bits on one axis and 5 on the other?

moonheart08

Yea, that'd work. I'm just incapable of considering that solution, for some reason :P

Martin Ender

I'd probably use 32 rows of 16 characters, but which way round is better probably depends on your specific encoding and use case.

moonheart08

In this case, the usecase is a golfing language.

i'm setting it up in LibreOffice, so the first one, 4 bits on one and 5 on the other, might work better. (The description and basic spec, that is.)

moonheart08

2:33 PM

Hmm, libreoffice kinda doesn't like tables that big. Guess i'll split it into two 16x16 tables.

FrownyFrog

2:50 PM

I lost 10 score

A user was removed

So cool

Poke

@FrownyFrog unlucky

Adám

@moonheart08 I'd do a 2×16×16 table.

moonheart08

@Adám That's what i'm doing. LibreOffice doesn't like 16x32 tables :P

Adám

@moonheart08 It may also be easier for readers to grasp, like two normal 256-char code pages, and a bit to select code page.

moonheart08

@Adám That's what i decided on. It's easier for me to grasp too lol

I'm focusing my golfing lang on geometric/trig problems.

So, all the mathematical operators

J. Sallé

3:04 PM

@moonheart08 Just make sure an empty program outputs Jabberwocky

Adám

@moonheart08 What symbols will you use for sin, cos, arcsin,... arccoth?

moonheart08

Depends, i'm looking into it. I'm thinking to use the Tilde and Reverse Tilde for sin and cos, because they look similar to the resulting wave

I have 512 chars to work with, so i can be pretty thorough

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500 rep for a Beatnik solution to Multiply two numbers. I've tried it myself, and I've found it difficult. Good luck.

Adám

@moonheart08 APL folds 26 such functions into a single symbol.

J. Sallé

@moonheart08 huh, I was confused about what a reverse tilde was and googled it, and it looks wrong to me >.>

moonheart08

3:07 PM

@J.Sallé haha

~ ∽

J. Sallé

See, that's just wrong D:

moonheart08

@Adám Neat-o. But i can expand all 26 functions to their own symbol without much of a penalty, and a big gain, so \o/

(Seriously, 512 chars is a lot more space than i thought. You can do a lot of wasting for some big gains)

Adám

@moonheart08 Or sin=⌽ cos=⊖ tan=Ø...

moonheart08

On that note, how'd i forget to add pi to the table lol

Adám

@moonheart08 How many built-ins does Jelly have?

moonheart08

3:10 PM

uh, about 25something?

maybe 300?

no idea

i don't use jelly

Adám

@moonheart08 It has lots of bi-glyphs.

moonheart08

Yea. I know.

Dennis

272 atoms, 49 quicks.

Erik the Outgolfer

and with a 9-bit encoding a 1-char program will always be a 2-byte program

moonheart08

@EriktheOutgolfer Yea, but some programs could have advantages. Plus noone seems to have done 9 bit encoding, so :P

Dennis

3:12 PM

Someone did 10-bit though.

Erik the Outgolfer

link?

moonheart08

I mean, i'm not aiming to make the world's best golfing language, i'm just aiming to have a bit of fun :p

And learn along the way

Dennis

The name was ESMin if memory serves.

Erik the Outgolfer

ESMin uses UTF-8

and it's actually called 𝔼𝕊𝕄𝕚𝕟 :P

Dennis

Did he switch back? I wrote the 10-bit codec myself.

Erik the Outgolfer

3:16 PM

I assume this is what you're referring to, right?

Dennis

Yes, and here's the codec. github.com/molarmanful/ESMin/blob/gh-pages/interpreter3.js#L73

moonheart08

On that note, why don't many codegolf langs have Generators? Those can be useful as hell in some situations, like generating the primes and printing. (Implictly printing a generator, if it was implemented right, would output it's results)

Dennis

Yes, I'm planning to do that for Jelly 2. By the time I realized how useful they were, I already had to rewrite everything from scratch to be able to use generators...

moonheart08

lol

Generators <3

Martin Ender

Husk has infinite lists, which sort of serve the same purpose. And so did Burlesque long before it.

Poke

3:34 PM

Rename jelly2 to jam and leave bits of fruit in it

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Adám

@Dennis How you tried doing statistics on usage of Jelly built-ins?

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám I don't know about any statistics, but I'm pretty sure that Æ! Convert from integer to factorial base. has never been used in a main answer

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing ngn has occasionally vented the idea of a Huffman coding for Jelly.

moonheart08

@Dennis as you're making a jelly 2, here's a request: Don't use Regexes to parse pls

caird coinheringaahing

Half the fun of making a language is facedesking because you had a typo in an insanely complicated regex :P

moonheart08

3:43 PM

lol

@cairdcoinheringaahing Parse HTML using CSS/HTML!!!1!!1!11

Blue

Pyke has generators. Though there's not much that can really be done with them

Manish Kundu

Why was this answer downvoted codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/59347/…

moonheart08

Hmm. What symbol should i use for tan?

NieDzejkob

@moonheart08 what do you use for sin and cos?

Manish Kundu

Also can I post this bow

*now? codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

moonheart08

3:49 PM

@NieDzejkob I use ∼ and ∽, because they look like the respective waves

ngn

@Adám or any golfing language; I've seen similar comments from other people, but nobody has implemented a huffman-encoded golfing language afaik

NieDzejkob

@moonheart08 maybe ∻ ? tan = sin over cos, and this looks like division but with a tilde in the middle

moonheart08

That'd work.

Zgarb

@ngn I think Luis Mendo did something like that with MATL. & gives an alternative input-output specification of a built-in, and when it was implemented, they scanned through all existing MATL answers to see which specification was used most frequently for each built-in.

moonheart08

@NieDzejkob Just need to give spots to a handful of other common trig and geometry functions and i'll be great.

Then i can start actually prototyping before expanding further :P

dzaima

3:58 PM

@ngn I wanted to, several times, but as always, I had a list of many things I wanted to do with that too, so never finished it :p

ngn

@Zgarb interesting, I wasn't aware of that

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