The Nineteenth Byte

MD XF

17:01

@StepHen no because challenges cannot be LITERALLY impossible

@HyperNeutrino I sure am lol

I'm also insulted that I don't get the cool name :(

Maybe C-PLUS

Step Hen

C_+

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino what would that do?

Step Hen

or C +

MD XF

@StepHen C-+

Cows quack

/C+/

Step Hen

17:03

@HyperNeutrino here's my docs for my wacko lang: github.com/stestoltz/Explode

HyperNeutrino

@MDXF omnifix. I don't know how it works but there's a challenge on it somewhere

@StepHen yay will check it out

That looks quite confusing but interesting :D

Step Hen

I think I need to add a way for the tape to count like a number for it to be useful here, but other than that I made a lang in a day xD

HyperNeutrino

yay xD

MD XF

Aha, how about CIA PLUS? It could be a meta acronym - CIAPLUS Is A Programming Language with Undefined Syntax

Step Hen

@MDXF CIA+

aka NSA

MD XF

17:06

lol

You know what? I'm naming it C+. Mine isn't an esolang and that stupid esolang has never and will never be used. 69.118.252.58 can deal with it :P

C+ = the Configurable Programming Language with Undefined Syntax. It's similar to C, but has more things. So C+ it is.

Step Hen

@MDXF Just call it Configurable Programming Language with Undefined Syntax on esolangs

MD XF

@StepHen It's not an esolang

Step Hen

@MDXF does esolangs.org only do esolangs? TIL

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totallyhuman

@StepHen ಠ_ಠ

read that message to yourself slowly if you're not joking

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Step Hen

@totallyhuman well you'd think they'd at least have placeholder pages for major languages

totallyhuman

17:16

i woudn't :P

MD XF

@StepHen esolangs.org/wiki/C

esolangs.org/wiki/Java

esolangs.org/wiki/BASIC

totallyhuman

@MDXF c is esoteric enough tbh

:P

> An esoteric programming language, or esolang, is a computer programming language designed to experiment with weird ideas, to be hard to program in...

Step Hen

@MDXF I said you'd think - I had already checked

totallyhuman

checks the boxes

HyperNeutrino

esolangs.org/wiki/Thereareno404s

totallyhuman

17:18

that's annoying

MD XF

Esolangs.org only does esolangs. Theory denied. Unsurprisingly. :P

HyperNeutrino

esolangs.org/wiki/These_are_not_the_droids_you_are_looking_for

Business Cat

> C+ was created by a programmer with ≈6.5 hours of sleep in a fit of nonconformity.

totallyhuman

esolangs.org/404

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino why do you keep linking to nonexistent langs :P

@BusinessCat Yeah I could tell ಠ_ಠ

totallyhuman

17:19

esolangs.org/wiki/404

HyperNeutrino

@MDXF because why not

totallyhuman

wat

there's no esolang named 404?!

dibs

Step Hen

404 esolang

prints not found for false

and not not found for true

MD XF

@totallyhuman No, it's just supposed to be esolangs.org/wiki/404, not esolangs.org/404

HyperNeutrino

Hey I clicked Random Page and I found something made/that will be made by ais here

totallyhuman

17:20

49 secs ago, by totallyhuman

https://esolangs.org/wiki/404

MD XF

:O 404 IS NOT A LANG

1 min ago, by totallyhuman

https://esolangs.org/404

totallyhuman

i called dibs

i might rename intrnt :P

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Yeah because he's made like six thousand

HyperNeutrino

lol

totallyhuman

17:21

oh jeez

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ oh god

totallyhuman

ninja'd

lel

MD XF

We should collaboratively make a lang called ಠ_ಠ

forgot what was in my clipboard ಠ_ಠ

totallyhuman

29 mins ago, by totallyhuman

me topo

topo

https://esolangs.org/wiki/ಠ_ಠ

Step Hen

@MDXF my lexer/parser/interpreter set is fairly extensible

@totallyhuman you mean esolangs.org/wiki/%E0%B2%A0_%E0%B2%A0

totallyhuman

17:23

what's the url escape code for _

Step Hen

@totallyhuman don't think it needs to be escaped

totallyhuman

ಠ_ಠ did you even look at the link

Step Hen

@totallyhuman it's in the URL though... ooohhhh

totallyhuman

ಠ ಠ is not what we're looking for

ಠ ಠ

Step Hen

Speaking of which, this is like a 404: esolangs.org/wiki/_

@totallyhuman %5F

MD XF

17:25

Ok I reserved it

Step Hen

@MDXF no we need the underscore

totallyhuman

ಠ_ಠ

the escape code links back to the regular one ಠ_ಠ

what is wrong with this

Step Hen

@totallyhuman I think it needs admin intervention: esolangs.org/wiki/01

totallyhuman

well that's great

MD XF

All right I'm gonna go rename every instance of Gnimmar-grop in 55,000 KB of code to C+

totallyhuman

17:27

o0

MD XF

If anyone wants an explanation of why the hell I named it gnimmar-grop I'll make a gist

Step Hen

@MDXF CtrlF?

MD XF

@StepHen Yeah problem is, 1) it's over like 80 files 2) I use a Linux terminal

Step Hen

@MDXF so do the CtrlF that goes over every file in the project... oh wait

and why 80 files 0.o

MD XF

A lot of the C standard library rewritten in C+, all the docs, code examples, etc

I've been working on this lang for quite a bit

Step Hen

17:29

oh wow, mkay

MD XF

Writing the compiler is going to take about a tenth of the time it took to make the lang

Wow @totallyhuman we're 9 rep apart

HyperNeutrino

if I upvote you and you downvote someone then it might close the gap perfectly :D

(you being whoever has less rep)

MD XF

-_-

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino but that's a bus

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

17:33

Ok see y'all later

totallyhuman

bye

Cows quack

> that's a bus

HyperNeutrino

bye

totallyhuman

somebody edit in a {{DISPLAYTITLE:ಠ_ಠ}}

i don't have enough cred to edit apparently :/

HyperNeutrino

A few weeks ago I was like "hey I just crossed over Nathan Merril's rep" and he was like "have you seen my activity log?" because he probably has other things to do with his life

now I have over 2000 rep more than him ಠ_ಠ

because I have no life and I got 1k-1 rep in a week ಠ_ಠ

Step Hen

17:35

@totallyhuman I got you

totallyhuman

nice

ok now i'll make the esolang ಠ___ಠ

and then somebody else make ಠ_____ಠ

and so on :P

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ, 3 bytes: ಠ_ಠ

Step Hen

that's offensive to ಠ__ಠ

HyperNeutrino

^

totallyhuman

even numbers are forbidden ಠ_ಠ

Step Hen

17:38

racist against the evens

totallyhuman

paritism

HyperNeutrino

parisitism

Step Hen

parisism

totallyhuman

oh that's annoying

i was trying to "introduce myself" on esolangs

and it wouldn't allow me 'cause i was linking to PPCG ಠ_ಠ

HyperNeutrino

lol

totallyhuman

17:45

anyways i know have esolangs cred

i shall stuff intrnt onto there

Erik the Outgolfer

@totallyhuman wot?

totallyhuman

yeah i have never done stuff on esolangs before

so i don't have enough cred to link

Cows quack

arrggh I am so annoyed at the naming inconsistencies of my language

totallyhuman

it's been "automatically identified as spam"

Step Hen

@Cowsquack such as?

Cows quack

17:50

there's an object called FunctionCall and FunctionCall's opNode (short for operatorNode) is actually a Command and not an Operator

totallyhuman

lel

Step Hen

I'm an idiot >.< setInterval doesn't exactly work without an Interval

Erik the Outgolfer

it doesn't? o_o

Step Hen

@EriktheOutgolfer I sure hope that's why it's not working xD

Erik the Outgolfer

that's really bad

I mean, it shouldn't require an interval should it? /s

Step Hen

17:52

@EriktheOutgolfer well it could default to 0

crap I've got a different problem

HyperNeutrino

then why not just while(true) it

Business Cat

That would be a crazy infinite loop

HyperNeutrino

or for(;;) it

Step Hen

I wish I could

Erik the Outgolfer

or 1¿ it

Step Hen

17:52

but my image's height isn't going to update while i'm in a loop

Erik the Outgolfer

or even [] it

Business Cat

Except even crazier because isn't setInterval asynchronous?

Step Hen

@BusinessCat yes, that's why I'm using it

totallyhuman

@EriktheOutgolfer javascript is not jelly :P

AdmBorkBork

@HyperNeutrino or Zoidberg it (;,,;)

HyperNeutrino

17:54

o_O

totallyhuman

oh hey esolangs allows my language to be capitalized as i want it to be

Erik the Outgolfer

@totallyhuman sorry

I guess javascript is too verbose then

totallyhuman

XD

Step Hen

@totallyhuman the only restriction is first letter, capitalized I think

totallyhuman

nope

esolangs.org/wiki/intrnt

DJMcMayhem

17:55

@EriktheOutgolfer Thanks for the tip! I've got the lead now :D

That answer was a ton of fun to write

Erik the Outgolfer

heh

it's really just a matter of algorithm choice...I chose a somewhat obscure algorithm

DJMcMayhem

My first algorithm wasn't that great either

HyperNeutrino

what's the challenge you were doing?

totallyhuman

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Q: Is it an Ordered Word?

(inspired by this post over on Puzzling. CAUTION: SPOILERS FOR THAT PUZZLE ARE BELOW.) The standard telephone keypad correlates letters to numbers as follows: 1 -> 2 -> ABC 3 -> DEF 4 -> GHI 5 -> JKL 6 -> MNO 7 -> PQRS 8 -> TUV 9 -> WXYZ 0 -> A given input word is defined to be an Ordered Wor...

Erik the Outgolfer

that one

HyperNeutrino

17:58

hm

DJMcMayhem

CMC: Generate the following list:

Erik the Outgolfer

it's quite difficult with the edge cases on 7 and 9

DJMcMayhem

ABC
DEF
GHI
JKL
MNO
PQRS
TUV
WXYZ

Erik the Outgolfer

Jelly, 16 bytes: “¢Ç⁺H’D0ẋj1œṗØAY

(had it ready from my answer)

DJMcMayhem

Me too: 3x8‘6,8¦RØAṁY

Erik the Outgolfer

18:00

um I count 13 bytes there?

not sure what you mean by me too

AdmBorkBork

@EriktheOutgolfer One of the reasons I thought it would be a fun challenge. Seems I was right.

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer I meant I have it ready from my answer too

AdmBorkBork

-split"ABC
DEF
GHI
JKL
MNO
PQRS
TUV
WXYZ"

Erik the Outgolfer

05AB1E, 12 bytes: Au3 8×Ƶ0+S£»

AdmBorkBork

probably shortest in PowerShell

Erik the Outgolfer

18:01

(from another answer of mine)

DJMcMayhem

Wait, wrong one, 12 bytes: 250B¬3+RØAṁY

wizzwizz4

When you misread the spec and get a score almost four orders of magnitude higher than you should.

totallyhuman

print"ABC DEF GHI JKL MNO PQRS TUV WXYZ".split()

sorry :P

HyperNeutrino

250Bạ4RØAṁY

11 bytes

Step Hen

@totallyhuman uh that's very golfable :P

DJMcMayhem

18:02

Oh, nice golf

HyperNeutrino

Hey I used a similar strategy to you lol (250B)

Erik the Outgolfer

@StepHen I don't think so?

DJMcMayhem

@totallyhuman Why are you splitting?

HyperNeutrino

lol

DJMcMayhem

You could just remove .split('\n')

Step Hen

18:03

@EriktheOutgolfer well for one split on space instead of newline and get rid of the triple quotes

Erik the Outgolfer

even though you are actually supposed to join with newlines

totallyhuman

you said generate a list so... :P

Erik the Outgolfer

list might not refer to the object but to the fact that it looks like a shopping list or just a list of lines

HyperNeutrino

> shopping list

ಠ_ಠ

totallyhuman

lol

Step Hen

18:04

@HyperNeutrino new esolang?

HyperNeutrino

plsno

totallyhuman

also, TIL about str.splitlines()

@StepHen it's always time for a new esolang

AdmBorkBork

Instead of a stack, you have a cart.

Step Hen

@AdmBorkBork you can only push things into the cart if you are across a row from the cart

Adnan

@EriktheOutgolfer Au•22ā₂•S£» for 11 bytes

AdmBorkBork

18:06

You also have two hands, so you can compare two items.

totallyhuman

ಠ_ಠ

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adnan darn that's actually shorter

Step Hen

@AdmBorkBork Your cart requires a quarter to get (Aldi anyone?)

HyperNeutrino

How about a dollar? (the asian food market in toronto)

Erik the Outgolfer

jelly 13 bytes: “¤Ɱlø’BḊœṗØAY

totallyhuman

18:07

the emoji movie reviews are hilarious

and now there's an xkcd about it too

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ

totallyhuman

xkcd.com/1870 jeez this is a long onebox

> “If only this smartphone-centric dud, so happy to hawk real-world apps to its audience, could have done the same in its release strategy — coming out via Snapchat, where it would vanish shortly after arrival. But even that wouldn’t be fast enough.” — John DeFore, The Hollywood Reporter

Step Hen

> They should do a whole series, I would watch the combining diacritical marks movie...

Randall likes Zalgo

HyperNeutrino

that is a really tall onebox

AdmBorkBork

@totallyhuman sick burn

totallyhuman

18:10

> “Disregard that PG rating and keep your children far away from director Tony Leondis’ vile animated faux-comedy. Beneath its trippy surface lurks an insidious philosophy hazardous to impressionable minds.” — Tomris Laffly, Time Out

XD

MD XF

What programming paragidm is C?

totallyhuman

esoteric

:P

MD XF

-_-

wizzwizz4

@MDXF C-like.

Yeah, I know.

Step Hen

It's procedural or imperative, right?

MD XF

18:14

@wizzwizz4 Wait, it actually has its own paragidm??

Step Hen

not that I know C

wizzwizz4

@MDXF No. That's syntax. Sorry.

C-like includes C, C++, JavaScript etc.

Step Hen

Wikipedia says it's procedural

MD XF

Wikipedia says it's imperative

Step Hen

Along with BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, etc

MD XF

18:15

but also structured

wizzwizz4

WikiFight!

MD XF

Oh it's imperative procedural

Step Hen

@MDXF en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_paradigm#Procedural_languages

wizzwizz4

@MDXF What a let-down.

MD XF

@wizzwizz4 Never thought I'd see a mod encouraging a fight in a chatroom :P

> C is an imperative procedural language.

wizzwizz4

18:16

@MDXF No... A fight on the wiki. Big difference. :-p

MD XF

Ah, lol.

totallyhuman

no no wikifights are different

ninja'd

Step Hen

he's encouraging offsite edit wars

MD XF

Third paragraph here

wizzwizz4

@StepHen When you put it that way...

Step Hen

18:17

Hey guys there isn't a single language on esolangs that uses % in its name

wizzwizz4

No, I meant like Googlefight.

@StepHen Not true.

Step Hen

sorry didnt finish my statement :P

wizzwizz4

Oh. That's probably true.

MD XF

Ha

Step Hen

I did a CtrlF on the language list page, so unless the lang isn't on that page...

Cows quack

18:19

@wizzwizz4 what googlefight.com/c-vs-j.php

totallyhuman

googlefight.com/google-vs-bing.php

MD XF

Why is the max 200?

Step Hen

@totallyhuman no kidding :P now try it on bingfights

@MDXF So that both contestants can give 100%

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wizzwizz4

Yay! It's been posted.

totallyhuman

18:24

@NewMainPosts what is unclear about it?

Downgoat

18:41

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totallyhuman

@Downgoat it took me forever to realize that was a link...

Cows quack

expects a "sh**p" vs "goat" fight

oh, I was right

totallyhuman

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Polyglots in D major d polyglot code-challenge D is a programming language in the same family as C and C++. However, it differs in a few "major" ways (hence the title). It's relation to C and C++ is not even close to the relation between C and C++. Here are a few of the important differences: ...

wizzwizz4

Who here knows Redcode?

totallyhuman

18:54

orlp

@totallyhuman that's dutch :)

totallyhuman

yeah

orlp

'die, die, die' means 'that one, that one, that one'

totallyhuman

i still don't get what it means though

orlp

and 'alsjeblieft' is 'please'

totallyhuman

18:55

oh the kid's asking for something to buy

orlp

yes

totallyhuman

that makes much more sense

orlp

@LeakyNun I found a closed form for f(n-1) + f(n+1) = kf(n)

Leaky Nun

@orlp well that's just a quadratic recursion

orlp

with arbitrary choice for f(0), f(-1)

@LeakyNun can you elaborate?

I don't see any quadratics

Leaky Nun

18:59

@orlp well, f(n+1) = kf(n) - f(n-1)

Downgoat

@orlp similar in german too :P

Leaky Nun

so it's really a fibonacci-like recursion

linear recursion

is what I mean

but the auxiliary equation is quadratic

orlp

@LeakyNun yes, but now try to find a closed form :)

Leaky Nun

x^2 - kx + 1 = 0

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