The Nineteenth Byte - 2017-07-24 (page 5 of 7)

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7:00 PM

@Mr.Xcoder chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/38983084#38983084

∆ is also delta.

@Mr.Xcoder APL: ¯1↓1∘⌽-⊢

@WheatWizard One of them is actually a puzzle in the form "here's some code, solve it by making it behave this way"; the other is more like "I have broken code, fix it". If the second one is on-topic, I believe that that would make many closed SO questions on-topic here too.

@dzaima It does work

(and also ∆ is actually the symbol to mean difference not δ)

7:00 PM

Anyway, I'm moving this to meta.

dun-dunn-dunnn

∆same

@BusinessCat δ is a unit of measure in optics, 1/meter. It expresses the convergence of a lens

Weird

caird coinheringaahing

I'm typing up the Sandbox post now, but what do people think of a polyglot CnR, where you reveal 1 language and people have to guess the other?

7:02 PM

aren't δ and ∆ just different cases of the same letter

@HyperNeutrino Either could be phrased as a SO question. "I have broken code fix it" is practically the definition of a programming puzzle

I love how I'm beating Python and JS with a Lisp variant

caird coinheringaahing

@WheatWizard link to meta Take it there

I'm writing up a meta post right now.

@totallyhuman They are in Greek, but they mean different things in Physics :)

7:02 PM

ah ok

@aditsu Can't read that. Which challenge?

@WheatWizard If it were decided on meta that the other type should also be on topic, then the tag wiki for programming-puzzle could be updated, or we could have a distinct tag like programming-riddle

@Adám the "1 3 … 5 8 … 13 15" one

a bit shorter, different method: q~]:a{_~2$W=)={+}&}*]{_,2>{_0='…@W=}{~}?}%S*

@trichoplax I think that is definitely the case.

@Mr.Xcoder APL, 5 bytes: 2-⍨/⊢

7:04 PM

Previous discussion on programming puzzles has been about the kind described in the tag wiki, so there would need to be a new meta consensus for riddles

@Uriel ^^

@Adám +1 nearly half the previous solution

I'm going to ~~ninja~~ steal the job of NMP.

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Q: Dispute over whether a question is on-topic

For those who can see deleted posts, the original post can be found here: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/135438/68942 Essentially, OP gives a piece of code that doesn't work because it's using i = i++ to increment which doesn't work. There is a bit of a dispute about whether or not this q...

@HyperNeutrino that's not how any of this works

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino that's the easiest ninja ever

7:05 PM

@Adám how?

ok it's not really a ninja because NMP won't post for another few minutes unless I timed it right by some lucky coincidence

:P

It seems like 17/31 programming-puzzle questions have been closed.

i like how chat SE collapses the same message if sent twice

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino the best ninja would be: "I'm gonna ninja NMP hew hew NMP posts, you post"

7:07 PM

yup :P

Goodbye.

bye

That's obviously off-topic.

@Adám brilliant. didn't think about it since k-mers

caird coinheringaahing

7 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

I'm typing up the Sandbox post now, but what do people think of a polyglot CnR, where you reveal 1 language and people have to guess the other?

7:09 PM

hm interesting idea

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino because it's hiding code, I'm worried about it being to close to underhanded

i thought that was done

Hm. That's a good point.

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman I can't find anything with cops-and-robbers and polyglot

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Q: The Programming Language Quiz

Congratulations to Dennis who won both the cops' and the robbers' challenge! Calvin's Hobbies has already delivered on his promise and wrote this challenge for Dennis for winning the robbers' challenge. Notice: This challenge is closed for further cop answers as of 2015-09-01 02:00:00 U...

code-golf hello-world obfuscation cops-and-robbers

7:11 PM

@AdmBorkBork that's what i was thinking of

Not a duplicate, but very similar in spirit

What I am really annoyed with is that people didn't wait for OP to respond before deleting the question.

caird coinheringaahing

@AdmBorkBork but that's obfuscating 1 language, its even more difficult looking for a polyglot

@HyperNeutrino haha, which OP?

@tuskiomi Prajwal Dubey

7:12 PM

I see.

You're not supposed to answer off-topic questions though; sorry if I/we seemed aggressive there. Once it's been cleared as on-topic, then you can answer it, but before then, your answer is likely to get deleted because the last thing we want to do with off-topic questions is encourage more of them.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Learn your lesson about Foo from that challenge. It can destroy many polyglot questions.

caird coinheringaahing

@AdmBorkBork its a numerical challenge so Foo isn't helpful

@HyperNeutrino no need to be sorry. all is said and done.

caird coinheringaahing

@tuskiomi I kinda feel sorry for you, trying to help someone you went below 2k :O

7:15 PM

@totallyhuman I don't think that edit was appropriate

@DJMcMayhem why not?

Once a challenge is closed, it cannot be answered. Until it is closed, it isn't obvious that it's off topic, as we don't always agree on what is on topic (hence meta), so I don't like seeing someone attacked for answering in good faith

@totallyhuman Because it isn't part of the post itself. It should have been a comment (obviously, you can't comment while it's deleted)

ok my bad

I'll learn my lesson from last time and let someone who disagrees with me post the opposing meta answer.

7:18 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Cjam, 10 bytes: {_0\+.-);}

I'll make you feel better about Pyth

> );

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino if only you were Dennis/Martin, then no-one would disagree with you XD

@HyperNeutrino See, the code is self-describing. So meta

@BusinessCat lol

cjam likes emoticons

7:19 PM

@BusinessCat I do feel better now

@cairdcoinheringaahing hm I'm trying to think of an instance where someone has disagreed with Dennis. Oh hey, I thought of one. The memes page... xD

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino yeah, but I'm a n000b

but you're not no-one

Actually wait it doesn't even work properly ಠ_ಠ

therefore your statement does not hold

caird coinheringaahing

7:19 PM

@HyperNeutrino I am no-one in the general everything

wat o0

... xD

@Mr.Xcoder 58 bytes in Brain-flak: Try it online!

every other SE site is doing fine with their memes page reeeeeeeeeeeeee

caird coinheringaahing

Brilliant comment

7:21 PM

Do you think I could get a mod to superping the OP into chat? Just throwing a random idea out there.

:P

@DJMcMayhem I now feel even better about Pyth

CJam, 10 bytes, actually works bad not sad anymore: {_1>\.-W<}

@Mr.Xcoder :P

Well, brain-flak doesn't tend to create short answers...

I'll do it in Retina now

7:23 PM

It can be almost half as long if you can assume there are no zeroes (or zero deltas)

@BusinessCat you can also do something like {:~2ew::-}

True

what's the CMC?

But I think it's the same length

Socratic Phoenix

Does anyone know what the largest (by number of languages) polyglot is on our site? I saw this one and wondered if there are any bigger ones...

7:27 PM

yeah.. need to add a new operator to make it a bit shorter

@SocraticPhoenix that is definitely the biggest one

Retina, 53 bytes probably golfable

:-|: can become :-?

...of course

@SocraticPhoenix I'm pretty confident that's the largest here. The largest by a single person (i.e., not a answer-chaining challenge) would be the Versatile Integer Printer challenge.

7:31 PM

CMC: n -> [n, n+2, n-4, n+6, ... 0/2n (depending on the parity)]

there should be a language specifically for internets

to parse internet pages and stuff

@totallyhuman That's what JS is for :)

-4

Q: Has the value of Pi changed?

According to the Canadian Journal of Alternative Mathematics, one of the series that is converging to $\pi$ just got a little closer, causing $\pi$ to change from 3.14159265.... to 3.14150264. Iwa nt to know: How is this possible? Can someone explain this to me?

real-analysis humor

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Q: Dispute over whether a question is on-topic

For those who can see deleted posts, the original post can be found here: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/135438/68942 Essentially, OP gives a piece of code that doesn't work because it's using i = i++ to increment which doesn't work. There is a bit of a dispute about whether or not this...

This is just great

Oh come on, NMP interrupted me? I guess I deserved it...

7:32 PM

lol

@Mr.Xcoder a golflang

The value of $\pi$ is constant. People are constantly eating it, and making more of it. — Chickenmancer 2 mins ago

imma start on that one 'cause I need a new project

should I name it "interwobs"? (please somebody say yes)

@Mr.Xcoder I don't get what you mean by the last part

An odd number would never reach 0 or 2n like that

@BusinessCat (depending on wheter it is divisible by 4, sorry)

NVM, I've written a bad CMC

D: D: D:

7:35 PM

math.stackexchange.com/tags/humor/info

Lol ^

making strawpoll for internet language name ideas

@totallyhuman Interparse

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder mathematicians don't know what humor is

@cairdcoinheringaahing True

caird coinheringaahing

They prefer humour

7:36 PM

(Said those that Hypertrain with Jelly)

caird coinheringaahing

inserts joke about Dennis deleting the memes

what's wrong with JHT xD

any other suggestions

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino its impossible

@HyperNeutrino Failed Starbait, really

7:37 PM

No it isn't lol

@Mr.Xcoder oh lol

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino what level are you?

@cairdcoinheringaahing 4

what level are you talking about?

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman Hypertraining

@totallyhuman Jelly Hypertraining level

7:38 PM

oh

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman gist.github.com/GolfingSuccess/9067e38ff56c3501be7fb84b1dbb7097

Yeah I'm L4 in the JHTSTC

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder ninja'd

anyways, any other suggestions for internet golfing language?

@cairdcoinheringaahing I got it thanks :D

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman Intrnt

7:39 PM

> Striked students means that their account has been deleted, or they have left the classroom.

@totallyhuman Totally Connected?

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino because of you?

lol that was put there because of me :P

@totallyhuman Hypernet?

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes xD

7:40 PM

What should the name of a golfing language for parsing web pages and general online stuff be?

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino does this ping you?

o shit there's a captcha

I can definitely pass that

@totallyhuman HyperNetrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes, but you should not be testing that here

@Cowsquack VTC as a dupe of Hypernet

caird coinheringaahing

7:41 PM

@HyperNeutrino It was one test

I'm obviously going to vote HyperNet :P

@HyperNeutrino Me too, I suggested it

aaaaa stop making puns on my "chat handle"

@Mr.Xcoder Reopen as pun

@Cowsquack VTC as bad pun

7:42 PM

VTC as pun on wrong username

caird coinheringaahing

I have the Hypertraining room open with "(@) EriktheOutgolfer do you have a puzzle for me to do?" typed in. I'm conflicted about pressing enter xD

Hypernet wins :)

@cairdcoinheringaahing Press enter

there's only 3 total votes though ;-;

@cairdcoinheringaahing Why are you conflicted? :P

Final feedback before posting?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Toggle the box ascii-art code-golf Given a string that is potentially boxed in, toggle the box. This becomes clearer in the test cases and explanation. Input / Output Input Format The input will be either a single string separated by CR, LF, or CRLF, or a list of strings. The input format is ...

@HyperNeutrino You really risk a lot asking for Jelly CMCs

caird coinheringaahing

7:43 PM

If I do though, he's gonna give me a really difficult Jelly CMC

Sweden Accidentally Leaks Personal Details of Nearly All Citizens

ruh oh

oh there are the votes

@Mr.Xcoder Oh come on, there's a reason I'm the only level 4. You guys never ask for training xD

caird coinheringaahing

@Poke that's why people were buying things with my credit card

For about a month I used to go on every day and ping someone asking for things to do because I wanted to keep learning :P

7:44 PM

@HyperNeutrino I joined 2 days ago >_<

@Mr.Xcoder oh lol

><>.oO(I am a fish.)

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino check the transcript since I joined. Every other day at least I've got a new one

anyway brb in some time

@cairdcoinheringaahing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I haven't been on for a while (there's a reason I'm still only Level 4)

bye o/

caird coinheringaahing

7:45 PM

@HyperNeutrino bye o/

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'll suffer with you. Press enter!

@HyperNeutrino Bye

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder is he online?

> Seen 55 s ago

also you bet requests is gonna be a dependency for hypernet/intrnt/IGL

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sorry for presuming things. if you ask for a CMC i'll probably be there in a bit too after I come back :P

caird coinheringaahing

7:46 PM

'cause Leaky's CMCs are much worse

> Seen 11 s ago

caird coinheringaahing

I pressed it! I'm doomed!

Oh, no yeah!

there's a delete button

:P

no doom for you yet

caird coinheringaahing

This is where he responds "No"

7:46 PM

#prayforcaird

haha I ~~fooled~~ passed the captcha

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder pary?

told you!

>
afraid not atm I may have to go in a bit

Lol

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'll give you one

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder wait a second, let me open 20 tabs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Good idea

caird coinheringaahing

7:48 PM

@Mr.Xcoder got 6 open, all code golf related :P

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Travel Back in Quine The challenge here is simple, and not at all about byte-count. Your job is to output the first 50 characters of the previous quine's source code, interlaced with the first 50-bytes of yours starting with the 50-bytes I've placed below: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzACDEFGHIJKLM...

@cairdcoinheringaahing i guess credit card number might be in that data

but it seems to be more transportation-focused

@NewSandboxedPosts vtc for bad pun

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder I've got one, CMC: Given a list of integers, return the min and the max value

:P

@cairdcoinheringaahing lambda l:(max(l),min(l))

7:51 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Come to Hypertraining, I wanna close 1 tab

@cairdcoinheringaahing APL: ⌈/,⌊/

@cairdcoinheringaahing ⌊/,⌈/ ninja'd ಠ_ಠ

Bye all!

bye

the poll is tied

need tie breaker

CJam: {$_,(%}

7:58 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Gaia, 4 bytes: ⌋⌉„,

@cairdcoinheringaahing Try it online!

so. should I post this? Now it's +5/-2 :o

Magic Octopus Urn

Ahahaha I thought that was a pretty bad pun xD

Jelly, 3 bytes: Ṃ;Ṁ

Actually, ÚïÏVGkd is one byte shorter

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